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Post by wannabee on Oct 3, 2024 22:30:13 GMT
Multiculturalism existed during the Ottoman Jerusalem, also in Baghdad and many other Arab or Muslim cities.
By the 1920s, religious violence begins with Jewish-arab just one manifestation, but most of the Levant divides into religious subgroups and conflict/violence occurs in various regions, neighborhoods which divide explicitly into Shiite, Sunni, Jewish, Greek, etc.
Zionist's (seeking a homeland) emerged late 19th Century as a secular movement because Jews were not safe in Europe (Prophetic) as evidenced from various pogroms. Ethiopia was considered an option but Palestine was ultimately chosen
In Europe, genocide, expulsions, border changes, iron curtains divide Europe into ethnolinguistic nation states after ww2. That nation state system existed until the Berlin Wall came down.
Greece and Turkey expel each other with a certain amount of bloodletting. Yugoslavia happens when the Soviet Union falls with lots more Ethnic Cleansing. The Iraqi and Syrian civil war resolve further Religious/Ethnic "Differences". Christianity in Palestinian dwindles, and accelerates in the 90s. The Syriac and Armenian genocides happens to coincide with increased Turkish nationalism.
Multiculturalism is inevitable during Colonisation and is an imperialist concept. It describes the reality but when the Empire be it Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman or British declines the legacy is that Nations revert to Nationalism. India was another that subdivided along a religious divide with bloodletting and mass migration/displacement
Zionism has evolved from its early incarnation of seeking cultural autonomy to building as large a buffer between it in isolation to its perceived and real enemies, its why its confusing as to whether Jews are a Religion or a Nationality.
Like Empires Israeli Military domination within the Lavant is inevitably going to decline, it may take a considerable amount of time but it will happen. It is in Israels long term interest to agree a peace agreement to live separately but in harmony with its Palestinian neighbours. Foster posed a very relevant question, I'll paraphrase, there is no point in Israel making concessions unless Hamas is defeated, very true. Hamas ideology to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth is not an aspiration shared by the majority of Palestinians but that they can live their lives peacefully observing there own cultural norms. That is not something you can kill. Unless Israel achieves a complete annihilation of the Palestinian people all Israel is doing is creating more Jihadi Martyrs. There isn't a Country in the World besides Iran that supports Hamas, Hezbolah or Hooties. If Israeli Leadership showed it was willing to reach an equitable settlement with the Palestinian people then the concerted efforts of the ROW could make it happen. The alternative is that a Terrorist Organisation can outwit the ROW.
There are also lessons to be learned in this Country as an ex Colonial Empire which now has a Multicultural Society. Do we embrace Nationalism or do we make the reality of Multiculturalism work.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 4, 2024 4:44:56 GMT
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Oct 4, 2024 6:30:15 GMT
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Post by serpico on Oct 4, 2024 6:30:15 GMT
Russia and Iran are due to sign a defence pact in a few weeks, would Russia stand by if Israel starts hitting Irans oil fields or nuclear sites ?
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 4, 2024 8:25:01 GMT
Iran does not need to invade other countries to achieve its aims. Iran merely sets up, establish, fund and give weapons to proxy terrorist groups and governments across its sphere of influence in order to intimidate and deliberately antagonise its enemies (i.e. most notably Israel). These are (most notably) Hamas (Gaza), Hezbollah (Lebanon & Bahrain), Homeland Justice (Albania), Shi'ite Militias (Iraq), Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force (Kenya), Bosnian Mujahideen, Taliban, Al Quaeda, Al-Ashtar Brigades (Bahrain), Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq & Badr Organisation (Iraq), Harakat al-Nujaba (Iraq), Gulf Cooperation Council, Houthis (Yemen), the Yemen Alimi led government, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Gaza), Kata'ib Hizballah (Iraq), Liwa Fatemiyoun (Syria), Saraya al-Mukhtar (Bahrain) When did Iran use Al Qeada as a proxy ? … does Iran feel it has to have a sphere of influence due to what happened in 1953 ? I'll grant you it's a complicated arrangement between the “Iran–AQ axis” and lets not pretend that there was no distrust between Tehran and AQ's members. But first things first; the AQ leadership, although it belongs to the virulently anti-Shiite Sunni jihadi movement, has long sought to minimize sectarian tensions in pursuit of its overriding strategic objective: expelling the U.S. military presence from the Middle East. Iran provides an important lifeline to AQ. A pattern of cooperation and support between Iran and AQ is now a well-established fact and dates back some way. Iran and AQ worked together during the early-1990s while senior AQ leaders were based in Sudan. In addition, the written works of AQ senior leader Sayf al-Adl – who is wanted by the US for his alleged role in the 1998 US embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya – also provide a unique insight into Iran’s support for AQ, especially in the years leading up to 2001 In 2015 Iran was detaining certain AQ leaders on its territory. In a prisoner exchange with the terrorist group, Tehran granted those leaders freedom of movement in exchange for Iran overseeing AQ's global operations. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, in the 1990s, senior AQ operatives and trainers travelled to Iran to receive training in explosives, while others received advice and training from Hezbollah in Lebanon. Post 2015 - Iran has allowed Zawahiri’s deputies to live freely in Iran and it helps to facilitate AQ's terrorist operations: to all intents and purposes they are partners in terrorism and hate. I'll grant you that the challenges posed by both are different: 1. the challenge of Iran centres on its nuclear program and its regional adventurism, whilst 2. the challenge of AQ is around threats to the U.S. homeland and the several insurgencies being waged by affiliate groups in central and eastern Africa, among other places. Iran does help, support and coordinate AQ activity.
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Oct 4, 2024 8:41:37 GMT
Post by wannabee on Oct 4, 2024 8:41:37 GMT
The strangest part of the story is how kidnapped/displaced people end up in the strangest of places as they just become chattels to be traded. Kidnapped by ISIS and ends up in Hamas controlled Gaza sworn enemies of ISIS I know all human life is theoretically equal but it begs the question how whichever intelligence agency was tracking this young lady for at least months why Israel seemed apparently unable to keep track of Hamas Leadership inside Gaza Maybe I'm just overthinking it.
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Oct 4, 2024 10:08:50 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2024 10:08:50 GMT
Is there anyone in the region capable of giving Israel/USA a bloody nose?
Iran seem every bit as hopeless as their proxies.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 4, 2024 10:47:10 GMT
When did Iran use Al Qeada as a proxy ? … does Iran feel it has to have a sphere of influence due to what happened in 1953 ? I'll grant you it's a complicated arrangement between the “Iran–AQ axis” and lets not pretend that there was no distrust between Tehran and AQ's members. But first things first; the AQ leadership, although it belongs to the virulently anti-Shiite Sunni jihadi movement, has long sought to minimize sectarian tensions in pursuit of its overriding strategic objective: expelling the U.S. military presence from the Middle East. Iran provides an important lifeline to AQ. A pattern of cooperation and support between Iran and AQ is now a well-established fact and dates back some way. Iran and AQ worked together during the early-1990s while senior AQ leaders were based in Sudan. In addition, the written works of AQ senior leader Sayf al-Adl – who is wanted by the US for his alleged role in the 1998 US embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya – also provide a unique insight into Iran’s support for AQ, especially in the years leading up to 2001 In 2015 Iran was detaining certain AQ leaders on its territory. In a prisoner exchange with the terrorist group, Tehran granted those leaders freedom of movement in exchange for Iran overseeing AQ's global operations. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, in the 1990s, senior AQ operatives and trainers travelled to Iran to receive training in explosives, while others received advice and training from Hezbollah in Lebanon. Post 2015 - Iran has allowed Zawahiri’s deputies to live freely in Iran and it helps to facilitate AQ's terrorist operations: to all intents and purposes they are partners in terrorism and hate. I'll grant you that the challenges posed by both are different: 1. the challenge of Iran centres on its nuclear program and its regional adventurism, whilst 2. the challenge of AQ is around threats to the U.S. homeland and the several insurgencies being waged by affiliate groups in central and eastern Africa, among other places. Iran does help, support and coordinate AQ activity. The US has clearly been the most deadly and malevolent outside influence in the middle East for a few decades. So those two do have a common enemy. As do a huge amount of the people across the region, even if the countries have been made basket cases or governments are bought off. And it was the US who initially helped train and organise the mujihadeen that spawned AQ to fight the Russians. So many allegiances by common enemy. Hell, in the last world war we were allied with Russia and a significant portion of the Arab world.
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Oct 4, 2024 11:19:33 GMT
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Post by serpico on Oct 4, 2024 11:19:33 GMT
When did Iran use Al Qeada as a proxy ? … does Iran feel it has to have a sphere of influence due to what happened in 1953 ? I'll grant you it's a complicated arrangement between the “Iran–AQ axis” and lets not pretend that there was no distrust between Tehran and AQ's members. But first things first; the AQ leadership, although it belongs to the virulently anti-Shiite Sunni jihadi movement, has long sought to minimize sectarian tensions in pursuit of its overriding strategic objective: expelling the U.S. military presence from the Middle East. Iran provides an important lifeline to AQ. A pattern of cooperation and support between Iran and AQ is now a well-established fact and dates back some way. Iran and AQ worked together during the early-1990s while senior AQ leaders were based in Sudan. In addition, the written works of AQ senior leader Sayf al-Adl – who is wanted by the US for his alleged role in the 1998 US embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya – also provide a unique insight into Iran’s support for AQ, especially in the years leading up to 2001 In 2015 Iran was detaining certain AQ leaders on its territory. In a prisoner exchange with the terrorist group, Tehran granted those leaders freedom of movement in exchange for Iran overseeing AQ's global operations. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, in the 1990s, senior AQ operatives and trainers travelled to Iran to receive training in explosives, while others received advice and training from Hezbollah in Lebanon. Post 2015 - Iran has allowed Zawahiri’s deputies to live freely in Iran and it helps to facilitate AQ's terrorist operations: to all intents and purposes they are partners in terrorism and hate. I'll grant you that the challenges posed by both are different: 1. the challenge of Iran centres on its nuclear program and its regional adventurism, whilst 2. the challenge of AQ is around threats to the U.S. homeland and the several insurgencies being waged by affiliate groups in central and eastern Africa, among other places. Iran does help, support and coordinate AQ activity. Much of the intelligence for the 9/11 commission was gleaned from “enhanced interrogation” of detainees at Guantanamo bay, which was overseen by neoconservstive officials actively looking for intel linking Iraq and Iran to AQ, be carful where you get your information from!
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 4, 2024 12:01:10 GMT
We have descended into a depressing and desperate cycle of propaganda warfare.
The terms 'attack' or 'self defence' are used by both sides for essentially the same act i.e. trying to kill and maim people.
Which of these terms you are exposed to seems to depend on where you are situated and which news agency you go through.
For example, this morning I read headlines referring to 'Iran justifies attacks on Israel' though when I read the text the Iranian leader (who I am not defending btw) described them as acts of 'self defence', at the same time another headline read 'loud blasts heard in Beirut', strangely they were not described as 'Israeli attacks', although that is the most likely source I would have thought? Language eh! Nearly all British papers seem to be carrying headlines referring to '7th October' as if there was no such thing as a Middle East crisis, nor any such atrocities, before then.
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Oct 4, 2024 12:06:30 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 4, 2024 12:06:30 GMT
I'll grant you it's a complicated arrangement between the “Iran–AQ axis” and lets not pretend that there was no distrust between Tehran and AQ's members. But first things first; the AQ leadership, although it belongs to the virulently anti-Shiite Sunni jihadi movement, has long sought to minimize sectarian tensions in pursuit of its overriding strategic objective: expelling the U.S. military presence from the Middle East. Iran provides an important lifeline to AQ. A pattern of cooperation and support between Iran and AQ is now a well-established fact and dates back some way. Iran and AQ worked together during the early-1990s while senior AQ leaders were based in Sudan. In addition, the written works of AQ senior leader Sayf al-Adl – who is wanted by the US for his alleged role in the 1998 US embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya – also provide a unique insight into Iran’s support for AQ, especially in the years leading up to 2001. In 2015 Iran was detaining certain AQ leaders on its territory. In a prisoner exchange with the terrorist group, Tehran granted those leaders freedom of movement in exchange for Iran overseeing AQ's global operations. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, in the 1990s, senior AQ operatives and trainers travelled to Iran to receive training in explosives, while others received advice and training from Hezbollah in Lebanon. Post 2015 - Iran has allowed Zawahiri’s deputies to live freely in Iran and it helps to facilitate AQ's terrorist operations: to all intents and purposes they are partners in terrorism and hate. I'll grant you that the challenges posed by both are different: 1. the challenge of Iran centres on its nuclear program and its regional adventurism, whilst 2. the challenge of AQ is around threats to the U.S. homeland and the several insurgencies being waged by affiliate groups in central and eastern Africa, among other places. Iran does help, support and coordinate AQ activity. Much of the intelligence for the 9/11 commission was gleaned from “enhanced interrogation” of detainees at Guantanamo bay, which was overseen by neoconservstive officials actively looking for intel linking Iraq and Iran to AQ, be carful where you get your information from! One sentence of what I said cited the 9/11 Commission which related to AQ operatives and trainers travelling to Iran to receive training in explosives. The 9/11 Commission is not a perfect evidential source in either case, less for your reference to intelligence obtained through Guantanamo, but more because the CIA withheld information from it. For example, the CIA failed to reveal to the Commission that over a year before the attack, it had been tracking two hijackers' entry into and whereabouts inside the US. But either way, the rest is taken from a variety of academic sources gleaned over time.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2024 13:03:21 GMT
We have descended into a depressing and desperate cycle of propaganda warfare. The terms 'attack' or 'self defence' are used by both sides for essentially the same act i.e. trying to kill and maim people. Which of these terms you are exposed to seems to depend on where you are situated and which news agency you go through. For example, this morning I read headlines referring to 'Iran justifies attacks on Israel' though when I read the text the Iranian leader (who I am not defending btw) described them as acts of 'self defence', at the same time another headline read 'loud blasts heard in Beirut', strangely they were not described as 'Israeli attacks', although that is the most likely source I would have thought? Language eh! Nearly all British papers seem to be carrying headlines referring to '7th October' as if there was no such thing as a Middle East crisis, nor any such atrocities, before then. Indeed STD, it is utterly sinister, Israel controls much of our media.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 4, 2024 13:24:17 GMT
We have descended into a depressing and desperate cycle of propaganda warfare. The terms 'attack' or 'self defence' are used by both sides for essentially the same act i.e. trying to kill and maim people. Which of these terms you are exposed to seems to depend on where you are situated and which news agency you go through. For example, this morning I read headlines referring to 'Iran justifies attacks on Israel' though when I read the text the Iranian leader (who I am not defending btw) described them as acts of 'self defence', at the same time another headline read 'loud blasts heard in Beirut', strangely they were not described as 'Israeli attacks', although that is the most likely source I would have thought? Language eh! Nearly all British papers seem to be carrying headlines referring to '7th October' as if there was no such thing as a Middle East crisis, nor any such atrocities, before then. Indeed STD, it is utterly sinister, Israel controls much of our media. It's so depressingly blatant. I heard another interview with the Israeli ambassador this morning on Times Radio. Absolutely no challenge to the language that was being used, and here again a reference to October 7th being the 'start'!!! How can this even count for serious journalism...Talk about rewriting of history!
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Oct 4, 2024 13:39:53 GMT
Post by lordb on Oct 4, 2024 13:39:53 GMT
Russia and Iran are due to sign a defence pact in a few weeks, would Russia stand by if Israel starts hitting Irans oil fields or nuclear sites ? Russia is stretched to the max in Ukraine so to answer the question they probably will do nothing simply because they haven't anything to offer (perhaps a few jets at a push) at some point that war ends & then Russia becomes a highly useful military ally for Iran atm it's not got much capacity to offer actual military assistance however there will be other practical things they can do & diplomatically it's still a significant move from the de facto to the formal
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Oct 4, 2024 13:42:31 GMT
Post by lordb on Oct 4, 2024 13:42:31 GMT
Is there anyone in the region capable of giving Israel/USA a bloody nose? Iran seem every bit as hopeless as their proxies. deopends on what you mean by a bloody nose Iran has got many many more missiles to send across, thousands of Israelis could die imo the Iran-Israel will continue with tit for tat missile attacks for quite some time
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Oct 4, 2024 15:07:27 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 4, 2024 15:07:27 GMT
Is there anyone in the region capable of giving Israel/USA a bloody nose? Iran seem every bit as hopeless as their proxies. deopends on what you mean by a bloody nose Iran has got many many more missiles to send across, thousands of Israelis could die imo the Iran-Israel will continue with tit for tat missile attacks for quite some time Satellite pics show airbase damage and the author has interesting thoughts. Basically it looks like minimal damage because the missiles aren't that accurate but if Iran targeted something like a packed ground base or a city then they'd cause casualties because even the misses would hit something. Iranian missiles are cheaper than air defence and Israel couldn't build enough defence missiles to keep up. Unless Israel blows up Iranian missile factories I guess.
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Oct 4, 2024 15:30:53 GMT
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Post by serpico on Oct 4, 2024 15:30:53 GMT
Much of the intelligence for the 9/11 commission was gleaned from “enhanced interrogation” of detainees at Guantanamo bay, which was overseen by neoconservstive officials actively looking for intel linking Iraq and Iran to AQ, be carful where you get your information from! One sentence of what I said cited the 9/11 Commission which related to AQ operatives and trainers travelling to Iran to receive training in explosives. The 9/11 Commission is not a perfect evidential source in either case, less for your reference to intelligence obtained through Guantanamo, but more because the CIA withheld information from it. For example, the CIA failed to reveal to the Commission that over a year before the attack, it had been tracking two hijackers' entry into and whereabouts inside the US. But either way, the rest is taken from a variety of academic sources gleaned over time. “Academic sources”… sounds disconcertingly vague! Garath Porter has probably done the best work dispelling most of the “Iran/Al Qeada” links. consortiumnews.com/2017/11/23/how-us-ties-to-link-iran-to-al-qaeda/thegrayzone.com/2020/05/19/washingtons-tall-tale-of-iranian-al-qaeda-alliance-based-on-questionably-sourced-book-the-exile/
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 4, 2024 18:16:18 GMT
Starting to look very similar to their operation in Gaza.
Is there anything that would stop our support of them because, at the moment, they continue to act with complete impunity.
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Post by gawa on Oct 4, 2024 18:24:26 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2024 18:29:47 GMT
Is there anyone in the region capable of giving Israel/USA a bloody nose? Iran seem every bit as hopeless as their proxies. deopends on what you mean by a bloody nose Iran has got many many more missiles to send across, thousands of Israelis could die imo the Iran-Israel will continue with tit for tat missile attacks for quite some time Certainly no shortage of missiles but Iran and their proxies don't seem able to land even one. It may be 'tit for tat' in terms of sending missiles but while Palestine and increasing the Lebanon have been shelled in to the dark ages life in Tel Aviv is pretty much as you were. It's a complete no contest. It's not a war, its a slaughter.
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Oct 4, 2024 18:33:55 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 4, 2024 18:33:55 GMT
deopends on what you mean by a bloody nose Iran has got many many more missiles to send across, thousands of Israelis could die imo the Iran-Israel will continue with tit for tat missile attacks for quite some time Certainly no shortage of missiles but Iran and their proxies don't seem able to land even one. It may be 'tit for tat' in terms of sending missiles but while Palestine and increasing the Lebanon have been shelled in to the dark ages life in Tel Aviv is pretty much as you were. It's a complete no contest. It's not a war, its a slaughter. The satellite guy I linked above thinks Iran can get missiles through, just that they're inaccurate. So they could probably do stuff like hit power stations, army bases or civilians. Could be the last attack was to make that clear? I don't see the end point if both sides keep escalating though.
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Oct 4, 2024 19:11:43 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 4, 2024 19:11:43 GMT
It's up to you to find your own appropriate sources. Needless to say that Garth Porter attended an anti-Zionist conference in Tehran, New Horizons, which was a platform for antisemitism and Holocaust denial in 2014. Remember to be carful where you get your information from!
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Oct 4, 2024 19:21:09 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2024 19:21:09 GMT
Certainly no shortage of missiles but Iran and their proxies don't seem able to land even one. It may be 'tit for tat' in terms of sending missiles but while Palestine and increasing the Lebanon have been shelled in to the dark ages life in Tel Aviv is pretty much as you were. It's a complete no contest. It's not a war, its a slaughter. The satellite guy I linked above thinks Iran can get missiles through, just that they're inaccurate. So they could probably do stuff like hit power stations, army bases or civilians. Could be the last attack was to make that clear? I don't see the end point if both sides keep escalating though. I need to do my homework on past conflicts in the region. Have they all been 50 dead Palestinian civillians doesn't make the news and 1 dead Israeli soldier is headline stuff? Or have they been a little less one-sided? Honestly, I don't see how this can even be called a 'war'.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2024 21:09:05 GMT
It's up to you to find your own appropriate sources. Needless to say that Garth Porter attended an anti-Zionist conference in Tehran, New Horizons, which was a platform for antisemitism and Holocaust denial in 2014. Remember to be carful where you get your information from! The full Wikipedia quote is below....... "In 2014, Porter attended an anti-Zionist conference in Tehran, New Horizons, which was reported to have been a platform for antisemitism and Holocaust denial. Porter told BuzzFeed News that he would not have attended the conference if he had known the extremist views of other conference participants."
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 4, 2024 22:12:54 GMT
I need to do my homework on past conflicts in the region. Have they all been 50 dead Palestinian civillians doesn't make the news and 1 dead Israeli soldier is headline stuff? Or have they been a little less one-sided? Honestly, I don't see how this can even be called a 'war'. Yeah, each Israeli death gets way more coverage than each Palestinian one. It feels like there's a lack of empathy for Palestinians from some areas and it's just horrible. Similar for Syrians - over 600,000 killed and it's gone quiet.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 4, 2024 23:48:02 GMT
It's up to you to find your own appropriate sources. Needless to say that Garth Porter attended an anti-Zionist conference in Tehran, New Horizons, which was a platform for antisemitism and Holocaust denial in 2014. Remember to be carful where you get your information from! The full Wikipedia quote is below....... "In 2014, Porter attended an anti-Zionist conference in Tehran, New Horizons, which was reported to have been a platform for antisemitism and Holocaust denial. Porter told BuzzFeed News that he would not have attended the conference if he had known the extremist views of other conference participants." Of course he did…… …it’s not as if he didn’t know the topics up for discussion at the conference before he got there included issues such as "Mossad's Role in the 9/11 Coup d'Etat" and "The Israeli Lobby vs. the U.S. National Interest (especially as it relates to Middle East Policy)," according to the conference website. Remember to be careful where you get your information from.
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Oct 5, 2024 5:54:03 GMT
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Post by gawa on Oct 5, 2024 5:54:03 GMT
The full Wikipedia quote is below....... "In 2014, Porter attended an anti-Zionist conference in Tehran, New Horizons, which was reported to have been a platform for antisemitism and Holocaust denial. Porter told BuzzFeed News that he would not have attended the conference if he had known the extremist views of other conference participants." Of course he did…… …it’s not as if he didn’t know the topics up for discussion at the conference before he got there included issues such as "Mossad's Role in the 9/11 Coup d'Etat" and "The Israeli Lobby vs. the U.S. National Interest (especially as it relates to Middle East Policy)," according to the conference website. Remember to be careful where you get your information from. The problem is for many the weaponisation of antisemitism has worn thin. It's actually antisemetic to conflate anti zionism with antisemitism. What is antisemetic about those topics? Do you deny the Israli lobby influence in US politics? Do you think supporting Israel as it invades 5 countries in a matter of months and commits war crime after war crime alligns with US national Interest? Is it also islamaphobic to criticise one of the only Shia muslim majority countries in the world? Or does that card not work here? It's always the Shia Muslims being targeted. With the way things are going there may be no Shia muslim majority countries in the near future.
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Oct 5, 2024 6:00:55 GMT
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Post by serpico on Oct 5, 2024 6:00:55 GMT
The full Wikipedia quote is below....... "In 2014, Porter attended an anti-Zionist conference in Tehran, New Horizons, which was reported to have been a platform for antisemitism and Holocaust denial. Porter told BuzzFeed News that he would not have attended the conference if he had known the extremist views of other conference participants." Of course he did…… …it’s not as if he didn’t know the topics up for discussion at the conference before he got there included issues such as "Mossad's Role in the 9/11 Coup d'Etat" and "The Israeli Lobby vs. the U.S. National Interest (especially as it relates to Middle East Policy)," according to the conference website. Remember to be careful where you get your information from. Ad hominem, smear by association! and yes, you should be carful where you get your information, many of the same people who peddle the “iran links to Al qaeda” were the same people who pushed false intelligence to justify the Iraq war ie “Mohammad Atta met saddam official in Prague”
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Oct 5, 2024 6:03:01 GMT
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Post by gawa on Oct 5, 2024 6:03:01 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 5, 2024 6:44:14 GMT
Its not support though is it. They are sparing lives in exchange for them to move. What would you rather? Just shoot them?
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