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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 21:07:39 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 1, 2024 21:07:39 GMT
Does Iran have an airforce? It doesn't seem to matter who fires these missiles at Israel, no one can land one. And then they just get picked off by the Israeli airforce. It's kind of a 'no contest '. And that's why there won't be a war. Iran has to be seen to be doing something, hence the pointless rockets but Israel will continue its crusade against Hamas and Hezbollah.
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Post by stokeson on Oct 1, 2024 21:32:19 GMT
Looking very bleak now. The USA and the Uk were involved last night and Israel have poked the Beehive. When you are surrounded by enemies there can only be one reason to do this and that is to drag your friends into the fight.
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Oct 1, 2024 22:09:52 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 22:09:52 GMT
Does Iran have an airforce? It doesn't seem to matter who fires these missiles at Israel, no one can land one. And then they just get picked off by the Israeli airforce. It's kind of a 'no contest '. And that's why there won't be a war. Iran has to be seen to be doing something, hence the pointless rockets but Israel will continue its crusade against Hamas and Hezbollah. I’m actually surprised Iran launched a direct attack. Surely the more pragmatic approach would have been to relay the ballistics over to Hezbollah and let them fire at Israel instead. Then if Israel attacked Iran, they could say it was Israel who instigated attacks on their own territory and they’d have a clearer justification for direct retaliation.
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Oct 1, 2024 22:12:31 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2024 22:12:31 GMT
I’m actually surprised Iran launched a direct attack. Surely the more pragmatic approach would have been to relay the ballistics over to Hezbollah and let them fire at Israel instead. Then if Israel attacked Iran, they could say it was Israel who instigated attacks on their own territory and they’d have a clearer justification for direct retaliation. They did this back in April too didn't they?
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Oct 1, 2024 22:15:02 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 1, 2024 22:15:02 GMT
Well, perhaps! The constant “we need to retaliate” seems very playground adolescent boy behaviour, with total disregard to the implications. No one's said that have they? It's just a strange implication. Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel have all said it. The latest is Iran saying there will be a “crushing attack” on Israel if there is a retaliation. Netanyahu described Iran’s attack as a “big mistake”.
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Oct 1, 2024 22:18:07 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 1, 2024 22:18:07 GMT
Well, perhaps! The constant “we need to retaliate” seems very playground adolescent boy behaviour, with total disregard to the implications. Didn’t have you down as a sexist Oggy Good. The “hard man” approach adopted by so many male leaders just makes me think of teenage boys. Perhaps that makes me ageist too!?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2024 23:35:50 GMT
Must admit I'm absolutely staggered by Starmer here.
Even Israeli media were reporting that the attacks in the main weren't against civilian targets but against military installations like airfields, yet Starmer just rucks up and flat out lies to the country.
Where was his address to the Nation last week, when Israel literally bombed towers blocks full of civilians in the heart of a sovereign nation's capital completely indiscriminately?
This is hugely sinister, I'm not even sure Johnson would have dressed it up in this manner.
Can't believe I voted for him.
It makes me ashamed.
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Oct 1, 2024 23:48:16 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 1, 2024 23:48:16 GMT
Must admit I'm absolutely staggered by Starmer here. Even Israeli media were reporting that the attacks in the main weren't against civilian targets but against military installations like airfields, yet Starmer just rucks up and flat out lies to the country. Where was his address to the Nation last week, when Israel literally bombed towers blocks full of civilians in the heart of a sovereign nation's capital completely indiscriminately? This is hugely sinister, I'm not even sure Johnson would have dressed it up in this manner. Can't believe I voted for him. It makes me ashamed. Now you know how those of us who voted for Boris in 2019 feel mate 🥲 Boris and Starmer have so much in common, it's creepy. I still find it utterly mad that leaders all over the world seemingly have absolutely no common sense and a total lack of willingness and competence when it comes to being able to negotiate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 2, 2024 0:10:17 GMT
Must admit I'm absolutely staggered by Starmer here. Even Israeli media were reporting that the attacks in the main weren't against civilian targets but against military installations like airfields, yet Starmer just rucks up and flat out lies to the country. Where was his address to the Nation last week, when Israel literally bombed towers blocks full of civilians in the heart of a sovereign nation's capital completely indiscriminately? This is hugely sinister, I'm not even sure Johnson would have dressed it up in this manner. Can't believe I voted for him. It makes me ashamed. Now you know how those of us who voted for Boris in 2019 feel mate 🥲 Boris and Starmer have so much in common, it's creepy. I still find it utterly mad that leaders all over the world seemingly have absolutely no common sense and a total lack of willingness and competence when it comes to being able to negotiate. Oh the competence is there but it has been completely neutered by Israeli lobbyists. Starmer is fully compromised and is essentially now nothing more than a Tel-Aviv shill, without an ounce of integrity left. I find it apalling that another nation can have such control over our foreign policy. So much for reclaiming our sovereignty! It's as frightening as it is disgusting.
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Oct 2, 2024 0:47:46 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2024 0:47:46 GMT
No one's said that have they? It's just a strange implication. Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel have all said it. The latest is Iran saying there will be a “crushing attack” on Israel if there is a retaliation. Netanyahu described Iran’s attack as a “big mistake”. Israel should have the info but I really wonder how many of these missiles Iran has. It might only be 1-2k of the long range ones, so they might only be able to manage 4-5 such attacks total.
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Oct 2, 2024 0:50:07 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2024 0:50:07 GMT
Twitter thread showing how they estimate where was hit in Israel.
Near Mossad HQ, maybe ~500 m off plus two airbases.
A few are not located but near civilian areas.
Overall this looks more targeted and less war crime-y than Israeli or Russian attacks.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 2, 2024 1:06:04 GMT
Twitter thread showing how they estimate where was hit in Israel. Near Mossad HQ, maybe ~500 m off plus two airbases. A few are not located but near civilian areas. Overall this looks more targeted and less war crime-y than Israeli or Russian attacks. So no 200 missile attack on civilian targets as Starmer told the entire nation then? Interesting that Iran didn't elect to flatten every civilian tower bloc in the immediate vicinity of the Mossad HQ, like Israel (legitimately🙄) did in Beirut just a few days ago ...
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Oct 2, 2024 2:09:17 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2024 2:09:17 GMT
So no 200 missile attack on civilian targets as Starmer told the entire nation then? Interesting that Iran didn't elect to flatten every civilian tower bloc in the immediate vicinity of the Mossad HQ, like Israel (apparently, legitimately🙄) did in Beirut just a few days ago ... I think it's still too early to tell but the first results look like an attempt at military targets. Iran's regime does evil shit and supports civilian slaughterers, but this attack on first glance looks... I was gonna say "kosher" but that's definitely the wrong word.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 2, 2024 5:48:09 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 2, 2024 6:33:14 GMT
So no 200 missile attack on civilian targets as Starmer told the entire nation then? Interesting that Iran didn't elect to flatten every civilian tower bloc in the immediate vicinity of the Mossad HQ, like Israel (apparently, legitimately🙄) did in Beirut just a few days ago ... I think it's still too early to tell but the first results look like an attempt at military targets. Iran's regime does evil shit and supports civilian slaughterers, but this attack on first glance looks... I was gonna say "kosher" but that's definitely the wrong word. I guess it is easier to fire at military targets if they aren’t amongst schools and hospitals though like the way Hamas set up in Gaza. I wonder if Israel didn’t have such good defences whether civilians would have been hit. I suspect so. Before I get attacked for saying something not 100% against Israel, what Israel’s government is doing is awful and went well beyond defending itself a long time ago. That doesn’t make their enemies good though.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 2, 2024 6:51:19 GMT
I think it's still too early to tell but the first results look like an attempt at military targets. Iran's regime does evil shit and supports civilian slaughterers, but this attack on first glance looks... I was gonna say "kosher" but that's definitely the wrong word. I guess it is easier to fire at military targets if they aren’t amongst schools and hospitals though like the way Hamas set up in Gaza. I wonder if Israel didn’t have such good defences whether civilians would have been hit. I suspect so. Before I get attacked for saying something not 100% against Israel, what Israel’s government is doing is awful and went well beyond defending itself a long time ago. That doesn’t make their enemies good though. I’m not sure anyone on here has said hamas Iran etc are good What people want is a spade called a spade The sheer hypocrisy of the Israeli government and its bought and paid for lackeys in the western world is staggering
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Oct 2, 2024 6:58:56 GMT
Post by Eggybread on Oct 2, 2024 6:58:56 GMT
Makes me sick to my bones that we as a country are helping Israel,to defend itself.What about the Palestinians,Jordanians,Lebanese the Gazans who all suffer terribly with astronomical losses compared to Israel. Just wrong.
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 2, 2024 7:19:26 GMT
Makes me sick to my bones that we as a country are helping Israel,to defend itself.What about the Palestinians,Jordanians,Lebanese the Gazans who all suffer terribly with astronomical losses compared to Israel. Just wrong. Jordanians? Ironically the only place unsafe in Jordan is the border buffer with Syria. Everywhere else is lovely. Seems like I am the only one on here who's glad Nasrallah has been wiped off the face of the earth along with the, near on, Billions of Muslims who live under their persecution. Iran have turned up to a gun fight with a Super Soaker 3000. I know you lot get your knickers in a severe twist, but fundamentally Hamas and Hezbollah are fucking shit heads who hide with families, rape pillage and cause general misery to anyone under them. I'd defy any of you go and spend a day under the rule of one of these fuckers. You'd soon be moaning about free speech then.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 2, 2024 7:23:18 GMT
I guess it is easier to fire at military targets if they aren’t amongst schools and hospitals though like the way Hamas set up in Gaza. I wonder if Israel didn’t have such good defences whether civilians would have been hit. I suspect so. Before I get attacked for saying something not 100% against Israel, what Israel’s government is doing is awful and went well beyond defending itself a long time ago. That doesn’t make their enemies good though. I’m not sure anyone on here has said hamas Iran etc are good What people want is a spade called a spade The sheer hypocrisy of the Israeli government and its bought and paid for lackeys in the western world is staggering They haven’t, it’s tedious…..
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Oct 2, 2024 7:23:28 GMT
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Post by superjw on Oct 2, 2024 7:23:28 GMT
Irans oil will most certainly be a target in all this, sky high prices at the pumps incoming…
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 2, 2024 7:26:53 GMT
Makes me sick to my bones that we as a country are helping Israel,to defend itself.What about the Palestinians,Jordanians,Lebanese the Gazans who all suffer terribly with astronomical losses compared to Israel. Just wrong. Jordanians? Ironically the only place unsafe in Jordan is the border buffer with Syria. Everywhere else is lovely. Seems like I am the only one on here who's glad Nasrallah has been wiped off the face of the earth along with the, near on, Billions of Muslims who live under their persecution. Iran have turned up to a gun fight with a Super Soaker 3000. I know you lot get your knickers in a severe twist, but fundamentally Hamas and Hezbollah are fucking shit heads who hide with families, rape pillage and cause general misery to anyone under them. I'd defy any of you go and spend a day under the rule of one of these fuckers. You'd soon be moaning about free speech then. No one has shed a tear for Nasarallah on here from what I’ve read……
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Oct 2, 2024 7:28:28 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 2, 2024 7:28:28 GMT
Irans oil will most certainly be a target in all this, sky high prices at the pumps incoming… Israel won't go anywhere near Iran. They'll target proxy leaders through precise hits. And because these cowards live in Hospitals you're probably going to get some collateral. Israel will go after Hezbolooah in a serious way in southern Lebannon, build a border buffer. Then go back home.
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Oct 2, 2024 7:33:24 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 2, 2024 7:33:24 GMT
Jordanians? Ironically the only place unsafe in Jordan is the border buffer with Syria. Everywhere else is lovely. Seems like I am the only one on here who's glad Nasrallah has been wiped off the face of the earth along with the, near on, Billions of Muslims who live under their persecution. Iran have turned up to a gun fight with a Super Soaker 3000. I know you lot get your knickers in a severe twist, but fundamentally Hamas and Hezbollah are fucking shit heads who hide with families, rape pillage and cause general misery to anyone under them. I'd defy any of you go and spend a day under the rule of one of these fuckers. You'd soon be moaning about free speech then. No one has shed a tear for Nasarallah on here from what I’ve read…… Families in Iran still remember pre 1979. Hezbollah, the Islamic Republic have been beyond a disaster that for country. You're not allowed to say it, not even whisper it. Near enough every (non fighting) Iranian would go back to Pahlavi in an instant. They hate Hezbollah more than us.
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Oct 2, 2024 7:49:38 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 2, 2024 7:49:38 GMT
I guess it is easier to fire at military targets if they aren’t amongst schools and hospitals though like the way Hamas set up in Gaza. I wonder if Israel didn’t have such good defences whether civilians would have been hit. I suspect so. Before I get attacked for saying something not 100% against Israel, what Israel’s government is doing is awful and went well beyond defending itself a long time ago. That doesn’t make their enemies good though. I’m not sure anyone on here has said hamas Iran etc are good What people want is a spade called a spade The sheer hypocrisy of the Israeli government and its bought and paid for lackeys in the western world is staggering I have said similar before and been jumped on, so I am careful! At what point will the west change their tone? Surely the approach from the US and UK should be to help shoot down any rockets fired, regardless as to who is firing. The goal should be de-escalation and preserve life. Or to keep completely out of it.
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Oct 2, 2024 7:52:03 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 2, 2024 7:52:03 GMT
Makes me sick to my bones that we as a country are helping Israel,to defend itself.What about the Palestinians,Jordanians,Lebanese the Gazans who all suffer terribly with astronomical losses compared to Israel. Just wrong. Helping defence is a good thing. But it should be even handed.
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Oct 2, 2024 7:55:35 GMT
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Post by musik on Oct 2, 2024 7:55:35 GMT
Nathan Yahoo on swe tv here, saying Israel will continue to defend themselves against the terrorists attacks.
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Oct 2, 2024 8:04:07 GMT
Post by adri2008 on Oct 2, 2024 8:04:07 GMT
Irans oil will most certainly be a target in all this, sky high prices at the pumps incoming… Israel won't go anywhere near Iran. They'll target proxy leaders through precise hits. And because these cowards live in Hospitals you're probably going to get some collateral. Israel will go after Hezbolooah in a serious way in southern Lebannon, build a border buffer. Then go back home. I'd be surprised if Israel wasn't at least considering to use this as an excuse to go after Iran's nuclear programme. It depends what the US has green lighted them to do I guess.
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Oct 2, 2024 8:07:06 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 2, 2024 8:07:06 GMT
For a politics lecturer in the Middle East Department that's a peculiarly daft thing to come out with. The ruling parties of Lebanon, Iran, and Gaza have paramilitary wings which operate outside of any legitimate democratic spectrum. Whether this lecturer likes it or not, in diplomatic circles nation states who operate democratic systems (i.e. where the people have a direct say in who their government is) speak louder than nation states which utilise paramilitary activity and/or tyranny. That's precisely why it is difficult for the UN Security Council to give Hamas the same political credence as the Israeli government. It won't stop those paramilitary organisations being heard, but the international community will always back a democratic regime when up against globally perceived terror organisations which operate outside of any democratic mandate.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 2, 2024 8:21:00 GMT
With fuel prices at a 3 year low how long before this conflict starts an upward spiral at the pumps?
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Post by andromeda on Oct 2, 2024 8:29:38 GMT
I mean I’m just struggling with the whole one side totally good and one side totally bad. How can we condemn action from one side and not the other? Doesn’t matter whether it’s Israel, Russia or anyone else, killing civilians in the name of war should never be accepted. I might be old fashioned but I was always under the impression that war just leads to more war. There are never any ‘winners’.
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