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Post by Paul Spencer on May 27, 2024 20:09:25 GMT
And with rumours of Ruth Smeeth being lined up to become Foreign Secretary, it's looking more and more like a coup of the Labour Party ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 27, 2024 20:14:30 GMT
I think it's having a massive impact John and that will only increase as more nations 'fall'. France being the big one this week, coming on the back of lots of other smaller nations being now prepared to reject Israel. This isn't something that will be achieved in months but the momentum is slowly beginning to tip in the right direction as Western government's realise that their public, will simply not accept the plight of the Palestinians any longer. Don't forget that originally, Thatcher and Regan were completely opposed to the world placing sanctions on South Africa but ultimately, they were dragged kicking and screaming into line with the rest of the world because their positions simply became untenable. The UK and the US will almost certainly be the last nations to fall this time as well because so many of their politicians are financially in the pocket of the Israeli lobby but if the weight of public opinion continues to build, then hopefully they will buckle. Ilan Pape is a hugely respected Israeli historian, political scientist and former politician, he is also Jewish, these are his current thoughts on where we find ourselves at ... At the next election people are going to vote for a party that supports Israel's actions.....understandably because local snd personal Issues take precedence for them. I won't be John and I've voted Labour all my life. I and many other traditional Labour voters, feel completely betrayed by Starmer over Gaza and although it isn't going to hurt him at this coming election, it almost certainly will do at the next one.
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May 27, 2024 20:28:31 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2024 20:28:31 GMT
At the next election people are going to vote for a party that supports Israel's actions.....understandably because local snd personal Issues take precedence for them. I won't be John and I've voted Labour all my life. I and many other traditional Labour voters, feel completely betrayed by Starmer over Gaza and although it isn't going to hurt him at this coming election, it almost certainly will do at the next one. Unfortunately Paul, that's the system, the only option, Left or Right, Labour or Tory, unless a mass of people decide to fo something radical...they will actually be voting for the status quo, giving approval to the existing system.
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Post by gawa on May 27, 2024 20:53:31 GMT
They don't call him Luke the Nuke for no reason.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 27, 2024 21:09:04 GMT
Utterly heartbreaking ...
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May 27, 2024 21:13:19 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 27, 2024 21:13:19 GMT
Utterly heartbreaking ... I'm lost for words.
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May 27, 2024 22:34:06 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 27, 2024 22:34:06 GMT
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May 28, 2024 6:53:57 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2024 6:53:57 GMT
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May 28, 2024 11:40:49 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 28, 2024 11:40:49 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 28, 2024 11:49:44 GMT
Very little detail on this as yet but absolutely massive news if reports are to be believed! 🤞
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May 28, 2024 12:07:35 GMT
Post by knype on May 28, 2024 12:07:35 GMT
Nothing from the middle east and it never will!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 12:10:52 GMT
Very little detail on this as yet but absolutely massive news if reports are to be believed! 🤞 This could be a very big deal if the member states agree to it. Germany supply 30% of Israel’s weapons imports. If they stop doing that, then it does send a message. However, without US support (who provide 65%), and without US sanctions (a major trading partner), I do wonder how much of a perceived impact this will have beyond damaging Israel’s reputation.
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Post by noustie on May 28, 2024 13:15:05 GMT
Very little detail on this as yet but absolutely massive news if reports are to be believed! 🤞 Be interesting to see how China react too.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 28, 2024 14:40:33 GMT
Very little detail on this as yet but absolutely massive news if reports are to be believed! 🤞 This could be a very big deal if the member states agree to it. Germany supply 30% of Israel’s weapons imports. If they stop doing that, then it does send a message. However, without US support (who provide 65%), and without US sanctions (a major trading partner), I do wonder how much of a perceived impact this will have beyond damaging Israel’s reputation.
Of indeed mate but as I said to BJR yesterday, originally Thatcher and Reagan were completely opposed to imposing sanctions on South Africa but ultimately they were dragged into line with the rest of the World as their positions became simply untenable.
Obviously we don't know how true these reports are, or indeed what is in the detail but if they are accurate, then it will be a huge step in the right direction.
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May 28, 2024 15:25:43 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 28, 2024 15:25:43 GMT
Just had the misfortune to travel through Cobridge, pro Palestine graffiti on every street corner. Nice image of the city
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Post by lordb on May 28, 2024 16:32:35 GMT
Just had the misfortune to travel through Cobridge, pro Palestine graffiti on every street corner. Nice image of the city It was lovely before
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 28, 2024 16:40:44 GMT
Just had the misfortune to travel through Cobridge, pro Palestine graffiti on every street corner. Nice image of the city It was lovely before Sarcasm doesn’t suit you😉
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May 28, 2024 19:10:05 GMT
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Post by themistocles on May 28, 2024 19:10:05 GMT
Israel didn't drop a 2000lb bomb on a Rafah refugee camp ffs. A Hamas ammunition cache ignited from a precision GBU39 strike.
They targeted senior Hamas commanders outside the safe zone. Legitimate military target.
But that doesn't matter does it:
1. Something happens in Gaza.
2. Hamas-supporting bot farms and super-spreaders flood social media with appalling photos/videos (real or not? Who knows? Usually a wild exaggeration of the truth) attached to a fake narrative.
3. Ordinary people take up fake narrative. Horrible photos/videos go viral.
4. International media runs the fake narrative without proper journalistic checks. Celebrities and politicians comment on the fake narrative before they’re in full possession of the facts.
5. IDF issue a rebuttal, but it’s too late as the fake narrative has already taken hold.
6. Protests on Western streets to put pressure on policy makers.
Hamas are absolute masters at this. Palestinians do, of course, have the unusually huge advantage of decades of KGB information operations aimed at the Western political left, from Arafat/PLO days. They’re pushing at an open door.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 28, 2024 19:39:49 GMT
Israel didn't drop a 2000lb bomb on a Rafah refugee camp ffs. A Hamas ammunition cache ignited from a precision GBU39 strike. They targeted senior Hamas commanders outside the safe zone. Legitimate military target. But that doesn't matter does it: 1. Something happens in Gaza. 2. Hamas-supporting bot farms and super-spreaders flood social media with appalling photos/videos (real or not? Who knows? Usually a wild exaggeration of the truth) attached to a fake narrative. 3. Ordinary people take up fake narrative. Horrible photos/videos go viral. 4. International media runs the fake narrative without proper journalistic checks. Celebrities and politicians comment on the fake narrative before they’re in full possession of the facts. 5. IDF issue a rebuttal, but it’s too late as the fake narrative has already taken hold. 6. Protests on Western streets to put pressure on policy makers. Hamas are absolute masters at this. Palestinians do, of course, have the unusually huge advantage of decades of KGB information operations aimed at the Western political left, from Arafat/PLO days. They’re pushing at an open door. What's the "tragic mistake" that Ntenyahu has apologised for then?
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May 28, 2024 19:52:04 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on May 28, 2024 19:52:04 GMT
Israel didn't drop a 2000lb bomb on a Rafah refugee camp ffs. A Hamas ammunition cache ignited from a precision GBU39 strike. They targeted senior Hamas commanders outside the safe zone. Legitimate military target. But that doesn't matter does it: 1. Something happens in Gaza. 2. Hamas-supporting bot farms and super-spreaders flood social media with appalling photos/videos (real or not? Who knows? Usually a wild exaggeration of the truth) attached to a fake narrative. 3. Ordinary people take up fake narrative. Horrible photos/videos go viral. 4. International media runs the fake narrative without proper journalistic checks. Celebrities and politicians comment on the fake narrative before they’re in full possession of the facts. 5. IDF issue a rebuttal, but it’s too late as the fake narrative has already taken hold. 6. Protests on Western streets to put pressure on policy makers. Hamas are absolute masters at this. Palestinians do, of course, have the unusually huge advantage of decades of KGB information operations aimed at the Western political left, from Arafat/PLO days. They’re pushing at an open door.
You do realise that Israel have admitted to it, don't you?
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May 28, 2024 19:53:15 GMT
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Post by themistocles on May 28, 2024 19:53:15 GMT
Israel didn't drop a 2000lb bomb on a Rafah refugee camp ffs. A Hamas ammunition cache ignited from a precision GBU39 strike. They targeted senior Hamas commanders outside the safe zone. Legitimate military target. But that doesn't matter does it: 1. Something happens in Gaza. 2. Hamas-supporting bot farms and super-spreaders flood social media with appalling photos/videos (real or not? Who knows? Usually a wild exaggeration of the truth) attached to a fake narrative. 3. Ordinary people take up fake narrative. Horrible photos/videos go viral. 4. International media runs the fake narrative without proper journalistic checks. Celebrities and politicians comment on the fake narrative before they’re in full possession of the facts. 5. IDF issue a rebuttal, but it’s too late as the fake narrative has already taken hold. 6. Protests on Western streets to put pressure on policy makers. Hamas are absolute masters at this. Palestinians do, of course, have the unusually huge advantage of decades of KGB information operations aimed at the Western political left, from Arafat/PLO days. They’re pushing at an open door. What's the "tragic mistake" that Ntenyahu has apologised for then? He said " Mishap " not " Mistake".Thats the translation from hebrew. Mistake implies they intentionally killed civilians without military gain which is not the case.
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May 28, 2024 19:55:45 GMT
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Post by themistocles on May 28, 2024 19:55:45 GMT
Israel didn't drop a 2000lb bomb on a Rafah refugee camp ffs. A Hamas ammunition cache ignited from a precision GBU39 strike. They targeted senior Hamas commanders outside the safe zone. Legitimate military target. But that doesn't matter does it: 1. Something happens in Gaza. 2. Hamas-supporting bot farms and super-spreaders flood social media with appalling photos/videos (real or not? Who knows? Usually a wild exaggeration of the truth) attached to a fake narrative. 3. Ordinary people take up fake narrative. Horrible photos/videos go viral. 4. International media runs the fake narrative without proper journalistic checks. Celebrities and politicians comment on the fake narrative before they’re in full possession of the facts. 5. IDF issue a rebuttal, but it’s too late as the fake narrative has already taken hold. 6. Protests on Western streets to put pressure on policy makers. Hamas are absolute masters at this. Palestinians do, of course, have the unusually huge advantage of decades of KGB information operations aimed at the Western political left, from Arafat/PLO days. They’re pushing at an open door.
You do realise that Israel have admitted to it, don't you?
Where has he admitted to intentionally targeting civilians at a refugee camp?
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Post by roylandstoke on May 28, 2024 19:55:48 GMT
Israel didn't drop a 2000lb bomb on a Rafah refugee camp ffs. A Hamas ammunition cache ignited from a precision GBU39 strike. They targeted senior Hamas commanders outside the safe zone. Legitimate military target. But that doesn't matter does it: 1. Something happens in Gaza. 2. Hamas-supporting bot farms and super-spreaders flood social media with appalling photos/videos (real or not? Who knows? Usually a wild exaggeration of the truth) attached to a fake narrative. 3. Ordinary people take up fake narrative. Horrible photos/videos go viral. 4. International media runs the fake narrative without proper journalistic checks. Celebrities and politicians comment on the fake narrative before they’re in full possession of the facts. 5. IDF issue a rebuttal, but it’s too late as the fake narrative has already taken hold. 6. Protests on Western streets to put pressure on policy makers. Hamas are absolute masters at this. Palestinians do, of course, have the unusually huge advantage of decades of KGB information operations aimed at the Western political left, from Arafat/PLO days. They’re pushing at an open door. If IDF spokesman told me The Pope was a catholic I would have to double check.
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Post by Veritas on May 28, 2024 20:05:25 GMT
Just had the misfortune to travel through Cobridge, pro Palestine graffiti on every street corner. Nice image of the city I am not really a fan of any graffiti but how is this show of support any different from the many blue and yellow flags that appeared after the Russian invasion of Ukraine? For the record I am anti Russian aggression, anti Hamas terrorist atrocities and anti Israeli collective punishment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 28, 2024 20:14:03 GMT
You do realise that Israel have admitted to it, don't you?
Where has he admitted to intentionally targeting civilians at a refugee camp?
Do you seriously think that he is going to spell it out in those words?
He said that Israel would investigate the tragedy and hey, guess what? The investigation has revealed that it wasn't a mistake after all but rather, they hit a Hamas arms cache and it was as a result of this strike, that the tragedy actually occurred. And you instantly believe this explanation, really? Have you seen the state of Gaza as a whole recently? Israel has bombed the Palestinians back to the Stoneage FFS!
The man is a genocidal maniac ...
"Now go and smite the Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 28, 2024 20:16:48 GMT
Just had the misfortune to travel through Cobridge, pro Palestine graffiti on every street corner. Nice image of the city I am not really a fan of any graffiti but how is this show of support any different from the many blue and yellow flags that appeared after the Russian invasion of Ukraine? For the record I am anti Russian aggression, anti Hamas terrorist atrocities and anti Israeli collective punishment. Thousands of pounds of tax payers money doesn’t need spending to clean up flags? Also I wrongly used the word graffiti, since graffiti is art. More pure vandalism
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May 28, 2024 20:17:44 GMT
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Post by themistocles on May 28, 2024 20:17:44 GMT
Israel didn't drop a 2000lb bomb on a Rafah refugee camp ffs. A Hamas ammunition cache ignited from a precision GBU39 strike. They targeted senior Hamas commanders outside the safe zone. Legitimate military target. But that doesn't matter does it: 1. Something happens in Gaza. 2. Hamas-supporting bot farms and super-spreaders flood social media with appalling photos/videos (real or not? Who knows? Usually a wild exaggeration of the truth) attached to a fake narrative. 3. Ordinary people take up fake narrative. Horrible photos/videos go viral. 4. International media runs the fake narrative without proper journalistic checks. Celebrities and politicians comment on the fake narrative before they’re in full possession of the facts. 5. IDF issue a rebuttal, but it’s too late as the fake narrative has already taken hold. 6. Protests on Western streets to put pressure on policy makers. Hamas are absolute masters at this. Palestinians do, of course, have the unusually huge advantage of decades of KGB information operations aimed at the Western political left, from Arafat/PLO days. They’re pushing at an open door. If IDF spokesman told me The Pope was a catholic I would have to double check. Good! Every person should fact check everything to avoid disinformation and bias..
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May 28, 2024 20:23:40 GMT
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Post by themistocles on May 28, 2024 20:23:40 GMT
Where has he admitted to intentionally targeting civilians at a refugee camp?
Do you seriously think that he is going to spell it out in those words?
He said that Israel would investigate the tragedy and hey, guess what? The investigation has revealed that it wasn't a mistake after all but rather, they hit a Hamas arms cache and it was as a result of this strike, that the tragedy actually occurred. And you instantly believe this explanation, really? Have you seen the state of Gaza as a whole recently? Israel has bombed the Palestinians back to the Stoneage FFS!
The man is a genocidal maniac ...
"Now go and smite the Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
You're very emotional and reactive Paul, which is why you succumb to these infomation campaigns.
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May 28, 2024 20:31:27 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 28, 2024 20:31:27 GMT
What's the "tragic mistake" that Ntenyahu has apologised for then? He said " Mishap " not " Mistake".Thats the translation from hebrew. Mistake implies they intentionally killed civilians without military gain which is not the case. So what was the “mishap” then?
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May 28, 2024 20:39:29 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 28, 2024 20:39:29 GMT
Do you seriously think that he is going to spell it out in those words?
He said that Israel would investigate the tragedy and hey, guess what? The investigation has revealed that it wasn't a mistake after all but rather, they hit a Hamas arms cache and it was as a result of this strike, that the tragedy actually occurred. And you instantly believe this explanation, really? Have you seen the state of Gaza as a whole recently? Israel has bombed the Palestinians back to the Stoneage FFS!
The man is a genocidal maniac ...
"Now go and smite the Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
You're very emotional and reactive Paul, which is why you succumb to these infomation campaigns. Thanks for the psycho analysis chap but that's a pretty pitiful reply on your part. I presented you with direct quotes from Netanyahu and the best that you can come up with, is personal slurs in response.
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