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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 26, 2024 19:33:33 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 26, 2024 19:50:55 GMT
Some of the scenes coming out of there in the last hour have been utterly horrific. Just how the fuck can anybody bomb tents? Please be aware that the links below, contain extremely disturbing and graphic footage.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 27, 2024 6:31:05 GMT
Some of the images coming out of Rafah last night are beyond horrific even compared to the ones above, I wouldn’t dream of be posting them on here.
Shame on those that sit back and don’t speak up on this inhumanity…….
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 27, 2024 12:54:50 GMT
Not even sure what to say.
Those images are just abhorrent.
How can our government not speak out and do more?!
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 27, 2024 13:27:16 GMT
Not even sure what to say. Those images are just abhorrent. How can our government not speak out and do more?!
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 27, 2024 17:02:52 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 27, 2024 17:08:26 GMT
Dropping two tonne bombs on somewhere you've repeatedly threatened to drop two tonne bombs on for weeks is a mistake? No, the 'mistake' (for Netanyahu) is that the results of that bombing has been broadcast to the outside world via the medium of social media.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on May 27, 2024 17:39:10 GMT
Thank goodness for that. I was worried they'd done it intentionally but thankfully just a mistake. Good to see they've learned from that mistake where they killed a group of people delivering aid.
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Post by gawa on May 27, 2024 18:06:51 GMT
The zionist lobby must have sent out a memo today telling the cheerleaders it's ok to condemn Israel to save face.
David Lammy, Starmer, Piers Morgan. They're all at it today and must think we all have lived under a rock the last 8 months.
"Nobody will notice if we condemn it now. Just pretend we've been opposed to it all along." 🤣🤣
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Post by gawa on May 27, 2024 18:40:51 GMT
Literally couldn't make it up. All copying and pasting the same message 🤣. Labour party just a bunch of robots doing and saying as they're told.
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May 27, 2024 18:47:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 18:47:08 GMT
Literally couldn't make it up. All copying and pasting the same message 🤣. Labour party just a bunch of robots doing and saying as they're told. That’s generally what a political organization does in the run up to an election though buddy.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2024 18:47:35 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media.
Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP?
My question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2024 18:49:28 GMT
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Post by gawa on May 27, 2024 18:54:21 GMT
Literally couldn't make it up. All copying and pasting the same message 🤣. Labour party just a bunch of robots doing and saying as they're told. That’s generally what a political organization does in the run up to an election though buddy. I know. I guess I'm just slightly irritated because literally 30k+ people died and not a squeak and now an election is here and they're all suddenly calling Israel out. Just hope the public remember that Starmer and Labour have supported Israel every step of the way leading up to this. We shouldn't let individuals like them and Piers Morgan rewrite their history. Especially when alot of those labour MPs still get bankrolled by a group where they call the genocide state their "friends".
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 18:55:55 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media. Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP? MZy question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"? Little. It’s two steps removed. It’s one thing organizing hundreds of thousands to protest about National issues. People can keep that up and force attention. The only way that I could see people in the UK creating change in the Middle East would be if a new party came in and ran on a platform of boycotting Israel. If that party won a majority, it would have a likely effect on the genocide.
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Post by gawa on May 27, 2024 18:58:03 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media. Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP? MZy question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"? I think we can do what we did to Russia. Ostrisice them from international events. Have big multi national corporations exodus them. Freeze their bank accounts and assets in the uk. Ban arms sales. Impose sanctions on them. Support any international arrest warrants. Remove citizenship of any individuals complicit or who fought for IDF etc...
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Post by Veritas on May 27, 2024 19:05:12 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media. Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP? MZy question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"? I think we can do what we did to Russia. Ostrisice them from international events. Have big multi national corporations exodus them. Freeze their bank accounts and assets in the uk. Ban arms sales. Impose sanctions on them. Support any international arrest warrants. Remove citizenship of any individuals complicit or who fought for IDF etc... But we won't
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 27, 2024 19:13:17 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media. Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP? MZy question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"? Protest. Wtite to your MP. Post as much as you can on social media to alert others and encourage them to do the same. Boycott Israeli products and services. Choose (or at least threaten) not to vote for political parties who don't condemn Israel - it does actually matter to them. Call radio phone-ins. If you're not sure, where you stand, try to read as much as possible on the history of the conflict, so as to inform yourself, if it bothers you of course. Donate to relief agencies. Put posters up locally. Choose your media wisely.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2024 19:13:39 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media. Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP? MZy question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"? I think we can do what we did to Russia. Ostrisice them from international events. Have big multi national corporations exodus them. Freeze their bank accounts and assets in the uk. Ban arms sales. Impose sanctions on them. Support any international arrest warrants. Remove citizenship of any individuals complicit or who fought for IDF etc... But isn't it governments that have to do this? It has become more and more evident that governments do not represent ordinary people, who by and large don't want to get involved in politics....so " leave it to them" , My question is " Realistically and pragmatically what can those who are absolutely incensed by the situation actually do?"....in one sense posting on the board is simply a mechanism to alleviate anger and make people feel better about themselves
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Post by lordb on May 27, 2024 19:18:03 GMT
I think we can do what we did to Russia. Ostrisice them from international events. Have big multi national corporations exodus them. Freeze their bank accounts and assets in the uk. Ban arms sales. Impose sanctions on them. Support any international arrest warrants. Remove citizenship of any individuals complicit or who fought for IDF etc... But isn't bit governments that have to do this? It has become more and more evident thst governments do not represent ordinary people, who by and large don't want to get involved in politics....so " leave it to them" , My question bi's " Realistically and pragmatically what can those who are absolutely bincensed by the situation actually do?"....in one sense posting on the board is simply a mechanism to alleviate anger and make people feel better about themselves 'we' can, and many are, put pressure on the government (& on Starmers government) to stop supporting the genocidal atrocities
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2024 19:24:37 GMT
But isn't bit governments that have to do this? It has become more and more evident thst governments do not represent ordinary people, who by and large don't want to get involved in politics....so " leave it to them" , My question bi's " Realistically and pragmatically what can those who are absolutely bincensed by the situation actually do?"....in one sense posting on the board is simply a mechanism to alleviate anger and make people feel better about themselves 'we' can, and many are, put pressure on the government (& on Starmers government) to stop supporting the genocidal atrocities How do they do that, in an effective way? We should try. In reality, it will continue until most of Israel 's objectives have been achieved.....it has already happened that way.....but people will feel better about thinking they've done their bit.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2024 19:37:17 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media. Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP? MZy question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"? Protest. Wtite to your MP. Post as much as you can on social media to alert others and encourage them to do the same. Boycott Israeli products and services. Choose (or at least threaten) not to vote for political parties who don't condemn Israel - it does actually matter to them. Call radio phone-ins. If you're not sure, where you stand, try to read as much as possible on the history of the conflict, so as to inform yourself, if it bothers you of course. Donate to relief agencies. Put posters up locally. Choose your media wisely. I've said most of that Paul, and done some of it. I don't think it has had a lot of impact Of course , it will come to some dort of end( in the media) eventually and things will go back to normal in the Western media, if not reality
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Post by OldStokie on May 27, 2024 19:40:30 GMT
To kill two Hamas leaders they were prepared to kill 43 innocent Palestinians and severely injure a couple of hundred of them, including many women and children who were supposed to be safe in their refuge tents. This atrocity is as bad as anything the Nazis did in WW2. It's plain and simple, a war crime .
OS.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 27, 2024 19:44:51 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media. Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP? MZy question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"? I've been to several protests in the North West, I follow the BDS boycott list, I've written to my MP (pointless it's Christian Wakeford he spends more time in Israel than he does Bury South). It will probably make a difference to who I do or don't vote for in 6 weeks time. But yes ultimately "what can we do" of any note, but then you could say that about most issues so not really sure what you're getting at?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 27, 2024 19:54:02 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2024 19:54:06 GMT
The thread, understandably, has become a series of posts about the atrocities inflicted by Israel on the innocent and (easy targets) people of Gaza. Atrocities reminiscent, but different, of the holocaust, Colonialism and other conflicts which don't register in the Western media. Isn't the real question....what can we actually do about it? It's ok saying " it is our duty to speak out"....what does that amount to?.....posting on social media/ on a minor football sub-board? Attend a protest? Write to your MP? MZy question is" What realistically can " we" do about the situation when , it seems, the powerful in the Western world simply want to turn a blind eye until " it is over"? I've been to several protests in the North West, I follow the BDS boycott list, I've written to my MP (pointless it's Christian Wakeford he spends more time in Israel than he does Bury South). It will probably make a difference to who I do or don't vote for in 6 weeks time. But yes ultimately "what can we do" of any note, but then you could say that about most issues so not really sure what you're getting at? I'm not really getting at anything. Just an observation. I think all of us who are politically motivated try to do our best to influence things through whatever channels we can...but perhaps I am simply questioning the effectiveness of it all and the chasm between what people seem to think and want and the actions and policies of our polical leaders. In my opinion we need something radical, pragmatically, in the UK, a change in the electoral system....to vote for Labour or Tory in the next election is, in one sense, approving of the system. I can recall Benn saying that he was leaving Parliament to spend more time in politics....somehow I think that is relevant
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 27, 2024 19:56:38 GMT
Protest. Wtite to your MP. Post as much as you can on social media to alert others and encourage them to do the same. Boycott Israeli products and services. Choose (or at least threaten) not to vote for political parties who don't condemn Israel - it does actually matter to them. Call radio phone-ins. If you're not sure, where you stand, try to read as much as possible on the history of the conflict, so as to inform yourself, if it bothers you of course. Donate to relief agencies. Put posters up locally. Choose your media wisely. I've said most of that Paul, and done some of it. I don't think it has had a lot of impact Of course , it will come to some dort of end( in the media) eventually and things will go back to normal in the Western media, if not reality I think it's having a massive impact John and that will only increase as more nations 'fall'. France being the big one this week, coming on the back of lots of other smaller nations being now prepared to reject Israel. This isn't something that will be achieved in months but the momentum is slowly beginning to tip in the right direction as Western government's realise that their public, will simply not accept the plight of the Palestinians any longer. Don't forget that originally, Thatcher and Regan were completely opposed to the world placing sanctions on South Africa but ultimately, they were dragged kicking and screaming into line with the rest of the world because their positions simply became untenable. The UK and the US will almost certainly be the last nations to fall this time as well because so many of their politicians are financially in the pocket of the Israeli lobby but if the weight of public opinion continues to build, then hopefully they will buckle. Ilan Pape is a hugely respected Israeli historian, political scientist and former politician, he is also Jewish, these are his current thoughts on where we find ourselves at ...
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 27, 2024 20:01:22 GMT
I've been to several protests in the North West, I follow the BDS boycott list, I've written to my MP (pointless it's Christian Wakeford he spends more time in Israel than he does Bury South). It will probably make a difference to who I do or don't vote for in 6 weeks time. But yes ultimately "what can we do" of any note, but then you could say that about most issues so not really sure what you're getting at? I'm not really getting at anything. Just an observation. I think all of us who are politically motivated try to do our best to influence things through whatever channels we can...but perhaps I am simply questioning the effectiveness of it all and the chasm between what people seem to think and want and the actions and policies of our polical leaders. In my opinion we need something radical, pragmatically, in the UK, a change in the electoral system....to vote for Labour or Tory in the next election is, in one sense, approving of the system.I can recall Benn saying that he was leaving Parliament to spend more time in politics....somehow I think that is relevant Absolutely, lots of people simply go along with the status quo and that's that.....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 27, 2024 20:04:49 GMT
C4 now...Dispatches.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2024 20:05:41 GMT
I've said most of that Paul, and done some of it. I don't think it has had a lot of impact Of course , it will come to some dort of end( in the media) eventually and things will go back to normal in the Western media, if not reality I think it's having a massive impact John and that will only increase as more nations 'fall'. France being the big one this week, coming on the back of lots of other smaller nations being now prepared to reject Israel. This isn't something that will be achieved in months but the momentum is slowly beginning to tip in the right direction as Western government's realise that their public, will simply not accept the plight of the Palestinians any longer. Don't forget that originally, Thatcher and Regan were completely opposed to the world placing sanctions on South Africa but ultimately, they were dragged kicking and screaming into line with the rest of the world because their positions simply became untenable. The UK and the US will almost certainly be the last nations to fall this time as well because so many of their politicians are financially in the pocket of the Israeli lobby but if the weight of public opinion continues to build, then hopefully they will buckle. Ilan Pape is a hugely respected Israeli historian, political scientist and former politician, he is also Jewish, these are his current thoughts on where we find ourselves at ... I get what you are saying Paul and I'm not saying we should do nothing.....but I think by the time anything changes happen most of the damage will already have happened been done....and the final solution/ settlement ( established by the western powers) won't be just, the Palestinians will still be subjugated. If we want change we have to vote radically to change the system, not play along with it. In my opinion At the next election people are going to vote for a party that supports Israel's actions.....understandably because local snd personal Issues take precedence for them.
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