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Jan 18, 2024 20:56:07 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 18, 2024 20:56:07 GMT
Not just the Gaza strip Oggy but the whole of Palestine! How could the US and UK have been so nieve? He's a fuckin mad man, hell bent on mass genocide and we're giving him the cash and the weapons to do it! Are any of the Israeli Apologists going to condemn the phrase "From the River to the Sea" .... no I didn't think so I have not read every post Wannabee, but are there any/ many Israeli apologists on here. I can't recall any?...at least none who Don’t condemn both sides.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 18, 2024 20:56:57 GMT
Are any of the Israeli Apologists going to condemn the phrase "From the River to the Sea" .... no I didn't think so I have not read every post Wannabee, but are there any/ many Israeli apologists on here. I can't recall any? Course there isn’t
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Post by gawa on Jan 18, 2024 21:05:59 GMT
Are any of the Israeli Apologists going to condemn the phrase "From the River to the Sea" .... no I didn't think so I have not read every post Wannabee, but are there any/ many Israeli apologists on here. I can't recall any?...at least none who Don’t condemn both sides. I wouldn't use the word apologist as I think that gives the impression members support all their actions including the deaths of many innocent people. There are certainly individuals though who feel the ongoing military action is justified due to October 7th and whom I don't believe support a ceasefire. We're all at different ends of the scale and I'm probably quite far down the Palestine side compared to others, and some may see my views as "extreme" and "conspiracy-esque". I'd say there are probably a few people at the same end of the scale on thr Israel side. I don't think either of us though support the deaths of innocent people on either side or support their killings though.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 18, 2024 21:12:35 GMT
I have not read every post Wannabee, but are there any/ many Israeli apologists on here. I can't recall any? Course there isn’t What do they have to apologise for?
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Jan 18, 2024 21:22:33 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 18, 2024 21:22:33 GMT
What do they have to apologise for? Nowt from what I can see
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Israel
Jan 18, 2024 21:25:03 GMT
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2024 21:25:03 GMT
What do they have to apologise for? Apologising so much
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Jan 18, 2024 21:44:37 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 18, 2024 21:44:37 GMT
Well he will have his work cut for him if he returns as President later this year in restoring stability. One good thing about covid: hard to go to war during a pandemic. You could just admit I’m right and move on Right about what?
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Jan 18, 2024 22:01:08 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 18, 2024 22:01:08 GMT
You could just admit I’m right and move on Right about what? It’s not my fault you have the memory of a goldfish
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 18, 2024 22:16:09 GMT
I have not read every post Wannabee, but are there any/ many Israeli apologists on here. I can't recall any?...at least none who Don’t condemn both sides. I wouldn't use the word apologist as I think that gives the impression members support all their actions including the deaths of many innocent people. There are certainly individuals though who feel the ongoing military action is justified due to October 7th and whom I don't believe support a ceasefire. We're all at different ends of the scale and I'm probably quite far down the Palestine side compared to others, and some may see my views as "extreme" and "conspiracy-esque". I'd say there are probably a few people at the same end of the scale on thr Israel side. I don't think either of us though support the deaths of innocent people on either side or support their killings though. Perhaps I'm seeing what I want to see then. My impression is that whilst most people condemned the 7th October Hamas attack on Israel the majority then condemn Israel's response as approaching ethnic cleansing and totally disproportionate. There seems to be some understanding that the Hamas attack follows years of oppression, not that justifies it. I have not noticed anyone far down the Israeli side of your scale.....but I've not read everything
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Jan 18, 2024 22:23:44 GMT
Post by wannabee on Jan 18, 2024 22:23:44 GMT
Are any of the Israeli Apologists going to condemn the phrase "From the River to the Sea" .... no I didn't think so I have not read every post Wannabee, but are there any/ many Israeli apologists on here. I can't recall any?...at least none who Don’t condemn both sides. I probably shouldn't have said Israeli Apologists, I should have said equally condemn but there were plenty on here on this thread and on the Pro Palestinian Protests berating the use of the phrase Not au fait how to properly copy old posts This is just one example which you can look up the original exchange from the date Oct 30, 2023 at 3:53pm via mobile QuotelikedislikePost OptionsPost by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2023 at 3:53pm Huddysleftfoot Avatar Oct 30, 2023 at 3:18pm Huddysleftfoot said: bayernoatcake Avatar Oct 30, 2023 at 2:35pm bayernoatcake said: BayernIsraeli’s see it as a call to genocide.(From the River to the Sea) It’s vile. Huddy It's nothing of the sort. Behave yourself man. Bayern So you’re dismissing how it makes them feel then. That’s really not on and if it against any other race you’d be calling it out for what it is. Gawa later commented that Bayern was literally calling Huddy a Racist
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Jan 18, 2024 22:40:32 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 18, 2024 22:40:32 GMT
I wouldn't use the word apologist as I think that gives the impression members support all their actions including the deaths of many innocent people. There are certainly individuals though who feel the ongoing military action is justified due to October 7th and whom I don't believe support a ceasefire. We're all at different ends of the scale and I'm probably quite far down the Palestine side compared to others, and some may see my views as "extreme" and "conspiracy-esque". I'd say there are probably a few people at the same end of the scale on thr Israel side. I don't think either of us though support the deaths of innocent people on either side or support their killings though. Perhaps I'm seeing what I want to see then. My impression is that whilst most people condemned the 7th October Hamas attack on Israel the majority then condemn Israel's response as approaching ethnic cleansing and totally disproportionate. There seems to be some understanding that the Hamas attack follows years of oppression, not that justifies it. I have not noticed anyone far down the Israeli side of your scale.....but I've not read everything To be fair Big John I think you’ve nailed it. I think that’s how the vast majority see it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 18, 2024 22:42:56 GMT
Great to see....
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Jan 18, 2024 22:50:58 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 18, 2024 22:50:58 GMT
It’s not my fault you have the memory of a goldfish It’s not my fault that you can never say what you mean and you dance around it. What do you think you are right about? Are you saying the Israel conflict since October wouldn’t have happened had Trump been President? Are you saying he is a great peacekeeper? What are you actually saying and telling me to say you are right about?
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Post by lordb on Jan 18, 2024 22:55:08 GMT
It is Too simple, to view Israel government as reflecting all of Israel
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2024 22:55:11 GMT
Perhaps I'm seeing what I want to see then. My impression is that whilst most people condemned the 7th October Hamas attack on Israel the majority then condemn Israel's response as approaching ethnic cleansing and totally disproportionate. There seems to be some understanding that the Hamas attack follows years of oppression, not that justifies it. I have not noticed anyone far down the Israeli side of your scale.....but I've not read everything To be fair Big John I think you’ve nailed it. I think that’s how the vast majority see it. As BJR says, he's not read all of the thread but it's certainly been there on several occasions however I see absolutely no point whatsoever in raking it up. What's important, is what happens going forwards.
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Post by gawa on Jan 19, 2024 1:50:42 GMT
I wouldn't use the word apologist as I think that gives the impression members support all their actions including the deaths of many innocent people. There are certainly individuals though who feel the ongoing military action is justified due to October 7th and whom I don't believe support a ceasefire. We're all at different ends of the scale and I'm probably quite far down the Palestine side compared to others, and some may see my views as "extreme" and "conspiracy-esque". I'd say there are probably a few people at the same end of the scale on thr Israel side. I don't think either of us though support the deaths of innocent people on either side or support their killings though. Perhaps I'm seeing what I want to see then. My impression is that whilst most people condemned the 7th October Hamas attack on Israel the majority then condemn Israel's response as approaching ethnic cleansing and totally disproportionate. There seems to be some understanding that the Hamas attack follows years of oppression, not that justifies it. I have not noticed anyone far down the Israeli side of your scale.....but I've not read everything To be honest John the only people who really actively post in this thread over the last few weeks are mostly those who have been calling out Israel since before October 7th. Alot of those who were defending Israels right to defend itself haven't posted to say they now think it's approaching ethnic cleansing, so I can't really vouch for whether they think that or not - I hope they do. I'd like to think alot more people now share those views compared to before but I'm not sure if its as big a majority as you think.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 19, 2024 2:31:58 GMT
To the person who "figures out" even this section of the Middle East, they deserve the Nobel Prize and a sainthood. Obviously Israel's government is enraged and seem to have hired Arsene Wenger to write their statements. (Couldn't think of anyone more divisive off the top of my head)
I believe in any country's right to exist/defend itself. But clearly, oppression of the Palestinians fueled this situation. Now the response is going over the top and IS approaching ethnic cleansing. I've long been disgusted with both sides to be perfectly honest. And you have Hezbollah stirring up at the other border and there will be a disproportionate response there as well. I'm a US resident, but I don't conform to the "Back Israel at all costs" crowd, nor am I an anti-semite. But I also detest 24 hour "news" Democrats, Republicans, the Tea Party and anyone who appears on the TV show The Talk.
Have learned to include Al Jazeera in my reading in order to get close to any kind of real reporting.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 19, 2024 6:12:07 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 19, 2024 6:31:16 GMT
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Jan 19, 2024 8:07:15 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 19, 2024 8:07:15 GMT
It is Too simple, to view Israel government as reflecting all of Israel This is where the solution lies
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 19, 2024 11:42:19 GMT
Collier is an absolute wrong 'un.......
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Jan 19, 2024 13:19:27 GMT
Post by Eggybread on Jan 19, 2024 13:19:27 GMT
Just out of curiosity does anyone why Israel are allowed to enter the European football competitions,national and club? Palestine,Syria and Jordon all enter the Asian cups?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 19, 2024 13:25:22 GMT
Just out of curiosity does anyone why Israel are allowed to enter the European football competitions,national and club? Palestine,Syria and Jordon all enter the Asian cups? It's because of the sensitive nature of the situation in the region and the potential for violence and nations refusing to play Israel out of protest for the occupation......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 13:26:25 GMT
Just out of curiosity does anyone why Israel are allowed to enter the European football competitions,national and club? Palestine,Syria and Jordon all enter the Asian cups? Because the rest of the Middle East don’t like them, but Europe does.
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Jan 19, 2024 17:03:04 GMT
Post by foster on Jan 19, 2024 17:03:04 GMT
Just out of curiosity does anyone why Israel are allowed to enter the European football competitions,national and club? Palestine,Syria and Jordon all enter the Asian cups? Because the rest of the Middle East don’t like them, but Europe does. I think it's more because we don't really care about them, whereas the others despise them. I wouldn't say that we 'like' them necessarily.
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Jan 19, 2024 17:07:58 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 19, 2024 17:07:58 GMT
Because the rest of the Middle East don’t like them, but Europe does. I think it's more because we don't really care about them, whereas the others despise them. I wouldn't say that we 'like' them necessarily. Maybe I'm being ignorant but maybe it's because your average European thinks I could go on holiday to Israel. Asked the same about Syria, Palestine or Yemen maybe not so much. As I say I don't know...
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Post by foster on Jan 19, 2024 17:17:58 GMT
I think it's more because we don't really care about them, whereas the others despise them. I wouldn't say that we 'like' them necessarily. Maybe I'm being ignorant but maybe it's because your average European thinks I could go on holiday to Israel. Asked the same about Syria, Palestine or Yemen maybe not so much. As I say I don't know... Agree mate, but unless you're religious I can't see why any European would really want to go to Israel. I see this as another case of us following the lead of the US. As a nation we've been castrated for a long time. Looking at who we choose to support and denounce, I think we've lost track of our identity and morality.
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Jan 19, 2024 17:31:46 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2024 17:31:46 GMT
Spot on
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Jan 19, 2024 17:33:23 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2024 17:33:23 GMT
I have not read every post Wannabee, but are there any/ many Israeli apologists on here. I can't recall any?...at least none who Don’t condemn both sides. I probably shouldn't have said Israeli Apologists, I should have said equally condemn but there were plenty on here on this thread and on the Pro Palestinian Protests berating the use of the phrase Not au fait how to properly copy old posts This is just one example which you can look up the original exchange from the date Oct 30, 2023 at 3:53pm via mobile QuotelikedislikePost OptionsPost by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2023 at 3:53pm Huddysleftfoot Avatar Oct 30, 2023 at 3:18pm Huddysleftfoot said: bayernoatcake Avatar Oct 30, 2023 at 2:35pm bayernoatcake said: BayernIsraeli’s see it as a call to genocide.(From the River to the Sea) It’s vile. Huddy It's nothing of the sort. Behave yourself man. Bayern So you’re dismissing how it makes them feel then. That’s really not on and if it against any other race you’d be calling it out for what it is. Gawa later commented that Bayern was literally calling Huddy a Racist I’ve been calling both sides out. Something you can’t seem to get your head around.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 19, 2024 17:43:16 GMT
I probably shouldn't have said Israeli Apologists, I should have said equally condemn but there were plenty on here on this thread and on the Pro Palestinian Protests berating the use of the phrase Not au fait how to properly copy old posts This is just one example which you can look up the original exchange from the date Oct 30, 2023 at 3:53pm via mobile QuotelikedislikePost OptionsPost by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2023 at 3:53pm Huddysleftfoot Avatar Oct 30, 2023 at 3:18pm Huddysleftfoot said: bayernoatcake Avatar Oct 30, 2023 at 2:35pm bayernoatcake said: BayernIsraeli’s see it as a call to genocide.(From the River to the Sea) It’s vile. Huddy It's nothing of the sort. Behave yourself man. Bayern So you’re dismissing how it makes them feel then. That’s really not on and if it against any other race you’d be calling it out for what it is. Gawa later commented that Bayern was literally calling Huddy a Racist I’ve been calling both sides out. Something you can’t seem to get your head around. Yeah you've been encouraging both sides to kill one another, whilst getting a hard on for starting a war with Iran.......
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