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Post by Davef on Jan 13, 2024 19:13:47 GMT
That doesn't mean that Israel "allowed it to happen" does it? It also ignores the fact that Hamas actually planned and did conduct the attacks. This is a conspiracy theory similar to many on several subjects over that past few years that people like you are quick to dismiss. Bayern is right here. Israel took their eye off the ball and they will have to answer to that in the future.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2024 20:14:18 GMT
That doesn't mean that Israel "allowed it to happen" does it? It also ignores the fact that Hamas actually planned and did conduct the attacks. This is a conspiracy theory similar to many on several subjects over that past few years that people like you are quick to dismiss. Bayern is right here. Israel took their eye off the ball and they will have to answer to that in the future. Netanyahu was focussing too much on trying to crush his own people that he forgot about their actual enemy. It’s pretty standard stuff. Makes total sense and Hamas took advantage of that. Not sure it was an advantage with what’s come since and I’m not sure what they were expecting the reaction to be.
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Post by whatsashig on Jan 13, 2024 20:24:04 GMT
It’s an history that we as citizens of the uk will never understand, the area of conflict has more history than ours. It’s quite clear that any side wants to cling to whatever part of history they know, and the bad thing is it’s almost represented in football rivalry
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Post by whatsashig on Jan 13, 2024 20:38:25 GMT
Watch ‘lines in the sand’ for “modern” history.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 13, 2024 20:51:53 GMT
That doesn't mean that Israel "allowed it to happen" does it? It also ignores the fact that Hamas actually planned and did conduct the attacks. This is a conspiracy theory similar to many on several subjects over that past few years that people like you are quick to dismiss. Bayern is right here. Israel took their eye off the ball and they will have to answer to that in the future. I never said they allowed it to happen Dave, but at a minimum it was gross incompetence and if they ever crowbar Netanyahu out of Office he will indeed pay for it. Which are you claiming is a conspiracy theory the fact they new the precise details of the planned attack or they allowed it to happen? Which Conspiracy Theories have I contributed to on this MB? To be fair Dave you do like a good Conspiracy Theory yourself, aren't you a Climate Denier and Covid Sceptic?
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Jan 13, 2024 21:06:03 GMT
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Post by whatsashig on Jan 13, 2024 21:06:03 GMT
It’s not part of our lives is it , not in the manner of them there, how can we know. How can we know what it is like to grow up there?
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Post by Davef on Jan 13, 2024 21:27:11 GMT
That doesn't mean that Israel "allowed it to happen" does it? It also ignores the fact that Hamas actually planned and did conduct the attacks. This is a conspiracy theory similar to many on several subjects over that past few years that people like you are quick to dismiss. Bayern is right here. Israel took their eye off the ball and they will have to answer to that in the future. I never said they allowed it to happen Dave, but at a minimum it was gross incompetence and if they ever crowbar Netanyahu out of Office he will indeed pay for it. Which are you claiming is a conspiracy theory the fact they new the precise details of the planned attack or they allowed it to happen? Which Conspiracy Theories have I contributed to on this MB? To be fair Dave you do like a good Conspiracy Theory yourself, aren't you a Climate Denier and Covid Sceptic? Israel "allowing" 7/10 to happen is a conspiracy theory on the same level that the USA "allowed" 9/11 to happen. "Climate denial" and Covid scepticism aren't conspiracy theories.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2024 22:22:06 GMT
The fuck is wrong with them?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 13, 2024 22:33:48 GMT
The fuck is wrong with them? It's absolutely disgusting and I hope (and expect) that he will be arrested. But really, this is no different to the rhetoric that is being beamed across Tel Aviv TV sets by the mainstream Israeli media everyday.
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Jan 13, 2024 22:38:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2024 22:38:44 GMT
The fuck is wrong with them? It's absolutely disgusting and I hope (and expect) that he will be arrested. But really, this is no different to the rhetoric that is being beamed across Tel Aviv TV sets by the mainstream Israeli media everyday. I agree. The articles about moving Palestinians to an African country are an absolute fucking disgrace. Priti Patel would be proud. The twat.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 13, 2024 22:46:45 GMT
It's absolutely disgusting and I hope (and expect) that he will be arrested. But really, this is no different to the rhetoric that is being beamed across Tel Aviv TV sets by the mainstream Israeli media everyday. I agree. The articles about moving Palestinians to an African country are an absolute fucking disgrace. Priti Patel would be proud. The twat. You know having watched it a second time, I'm beginning to wonder if his pregnant pause at the end, is because he's suddenly realised that in the heat of the moment, he has accidentally (but crucially) missed out the word "NOT" normalise. This would actually make more far worse sense in the context of the rest of his speech, surely if he was calling for some sort of vengeful Jihad, then he would have framed the rest of his words completely differently?
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Post by wannabee on Jan 13, 2024 23:22:01 GMT
I never said they allowed it to happen Dave, but at a minimum it was gross incompetence and if they ever crowbar Netanyahu out of Office he will indeed pay for it. Which are you claiming is a conspiracy theory the fact they new the precise details of the planned attack or they allowed it to happen? Which Conspiracy Theories have I contributed to on this MB? To be fair Dave you do like a good Conspiracy Theory yourself, aren't you a Climate Denier and Covid Sceptic? 1. Israel "allowing" 7/10 to happen is a conspiracy theory on the same level that the USA "allowed" 9/11 to happen. 2 "Climate denial" and Covid scepticism aren't conspiracy theories. 1. I agree Dave only Nutjobs would believe either of those Conspiracy Theories, I've already said I didn't believe the first and am happy to confirm I don't believe in the second The dictionary definition of a Conspiracy Theory is: " a belief that some secret but influential organization is responsible for an event or phenomenon"2. 97% of Scientists agree, explicitly or implicitly, that global warming is happening and is human-caused (I can cite them if you wish) Which Nutjobs Scientists are you offering in support of your alternative theory? Covid scepticism is more difficult to evaluate, unless of course you don't believe it actually exists. I'm open to the idea of Covid origins, whether it was man created in some Lab in Wuhan or some Bats or Chickens in some other location. Neither of those propositions deny Covids existence There is no debate that UK and most other Countries made mistakes in its response to dealing with the Covid Epidemic, that's a matter of opinion not Theory, Conspiracy or otherwise If the Theory you support on Covid is akin to the Dictionary Definition then that's a whole different equation, which is it?
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Post by wannabee on Jan 14, 2024 0:01:57 GMT
I agree. The articles about moving Palestinians to an African country are an absolute fucking disgrace. Priti Patel would be proud. The twat. You know having watched it a second time, I'm beginning to wonder if his pregnant pause at the end, is because he's suddenly realised that in the heat of the moment, he has accidentally (but crucially) missed out the word "NOT" normalise. This would actually make more far worse sense in the context of the rest of his speech, surely if he was calling for some sort of vengeful Jihad, then he would have framed his words completely differently? Its quite shameful what Zionist and their gullible fellow travellers will do to spread disinformation and hatred This is a text of Mohammed el-Kurd's speech unedited by Emily Schrader As for Emily Schrader, what do we know of her background, taken from her Bio and her "skills" at media manipulation Emily Schrader The author is the founder of Social Lite Creative, a political marketing consultancy firm. Emily is also the former digital director of one of the largest pro-Israel organizations, where she transformed their social media platforms into one of the leading sources of information in English and Arabic about the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Emily previously worked in digital marketing on political campaigns, and holds degrees from USC (BA) and Tel Aviv University (MA). www.jpost.com/author/emily-schraderSadly there will be many who have already made up their minds and even in the unlikely event of a retraction the damage of falsehood has already been done
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 14, 2024 0:10:33 GMT
You know having watched it a second time, I'm beginning to wonder if his pregnant pause at the end, is because he's suddenly realised that in the heat of the moment, he has accidentally (but crucially) missed out the word "NOT" normalise. This would actually make more far worse sense in the context of the rest of his speech, surely if he was calling for some sort of vengeful Jihad, then he would have framed his words completely differently? Its quite shameful what Zionist and their gullible fellow travellers will do to spread disinformation and hatred This is a text of Mohammed el-Kurd's speech unedited by Emily Schrader As for Emily Schrader, what do we know of her background, taken from her Bio and her "skills" at media manipulation Emily Schrader The author is the founder of Social Lite Creative, a political marketing consultancy firm. Emily is also the former digital director of one of the largest pro-Israel organizations, where she transformed their social media platforms into one of the leading sources of information in English and Arabic about the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Emily previously worked in digital marketing on political campaigns, and holds degrees from USC (BA) and Tel Aviv University (MA). www.jpost.com/author/emily-schraderSadly there will be many who have already made up their minds and even in the unlikely event of a retraction the damage of falsehood has already been done Well when I posted my tweet questioning the authenticity of his comments, I wasn't aware of ANY of that, indeed it appears that his tweet giving that explanation, came AFTER I posted. As ever, it seems to be worthwhile to always remain vigilant. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 14, 2024 0:17:10 GMT
Good grief, just seen this.
What an absolute piece of work!
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Post by wannabee on Jan 14, 2024 1:47:28 GMT
Good grief, just seen this. What an absolute piece of work! Its all very depressing Its hard to say definitely if ambitious Robert Kenrick, prominent member of Conservative Friends of Israel, married to a lady who was born in Israel and are raising their children in the Jewish Faith was duped by Emily Schrader's edit but Mohammed el-Kurd has invited him to suck his dick on Twitter Intoxicated by his new found visibility and ridiculous notions of becoming Leader of the Conservative Party he is using Emily's edited Twit to reinforce his strongman image on immigration message Half the responses so far to Jenrick are calling him a C U Next Tuesday and the remainder vigorously supporting How did it ever come to this
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2024 3:30:56 GMT
Good grief, just seen this. What an absolute piece of work! Its all very depressing Its hard to say definitely if ambitious Robert Kenrick, prominent member of Conservative Friends of Israel, married to a lady who was born in Israel and are raising their children in the Jewish Faith was duped by Emily Schrader's edit but Mohammed el-Kurd has invited him to suck his dick on Twitter Intoxicated by his new found visibility and ridiculous notions of becoming Leader of the Conservative Party he is using Emily's edited Twit to reinforce his strongman image on immigration message Half the responses so far to Jenrick are calling him a C U Next Tuesday and the remainder vigorously supporting How did it ever come to this “How did it ever come to this” It’s called Twitter. It’s a cesspit. It’s an awful site. It batters people with content upon content. Just when you try and stop to digest what you just saw, something else pops up to keep you doom scrolling. This desperate need for 24/7 access to ongoing events perpetuates “viral” videos. They don’t have to be factual. They are better if they are not because then they can piss someone off enough to keep scrolling away while not investing the time to actually contemplate on what they have just seen. Use social media for dog videos. It’s better that way.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 14, 2024 4:06:24 GMT
Its all very depressing Its hard to say definitely if ambitious Robert Kenrick, prominent member of Conservative Friends of Israel, married to a lady who was born in Israel and are raising their children in the Jewish Faith was duped by Emily Schrader's edit but Mohammed el-Kurd has invited him to suck his dick on Twitter Intoxicated by his new found visibility and ridiculous notions of becoming Leader of the Conservative Party he is using Emily's edited Twit to reinforce his strongman image on immigration message Half the responses so far to Jenrick are calling him a C U Next Tuesday and the remainder vigorously supporting How did it ever come to this “How did it ever come to this” It’s called Twitter. It’s a cesspit. It’s an awful site. It batters people with content upon content. Just when you try and stop to digest what you just saw, something else pops up to keep you doom scrolling. This desperate need for 24/7 access to ongoing events perpetuates “viral” videos. They don’t have to be factual. They are better if they are not because then they can piss someone off enough to keep scrolling away while not investing the time to actually contemplate on what they have just seen. Use social media for dog videos. It’s better that way.
I'm sure wannabee will respond to your post himself but from where I'm sitting, I think you may have missed the point he was making.
The sentiment of Jenrick's post, is what is so sad/disgusting/shameful here, not the platform he is using in which to express his views.
He could have equally expressed exactly the same thoughts in a TV interview with (say) Laura Kuenssberg or a radio interview with Andrew Neil.
As wannabbe said, it is utterly depressing, that British 'politics' is now absolutely in the gutter, when such high profile politicians are allowed to use such awful rhetoric, regardless of which platform they use to express it.
As for Twitter being a cesspit, it can't be simply be dismissed in such total terms, as was so eloquently expressed in the Hague on Thursday ... this is the first time in history that a genocide is being broadcast (via Twitter) to the world, in the hope that the world will listen and come to their aid.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 14, 2024 4:08:32 GMT
Its all very depressing Its hard to say definitely if ambitious Robert Kenrick, prominent member of Conservative Friends of Israel, married to a lady who was born in Israel and are raising their children in the Jewish Faith was duped by Emily Schrader's edit but Mohammed el-Kurd has invited him to suck his dick on Twitter Intoxicated by his new found visibility and ridiculous notions of becoming Leader of the Conservative Party he is using Emily's edited Twit to reinforce his strongman image on immigration message Half the responses so far to Jenrick are calling him a C U Next Tuesday and the remainder vigorously supporting How did it ever come to this “How did it ever come to this” It’s called Twitter. It’s a cesspit. It’s an awful site. It batters people with content upon content. Just when you try and stop to digest what you just saw, something else pops up to keep you doom scrolling. This desperate need for 24/7 access to ongoing events perpetuates “viral” videos. They don’t have to be factual. They are better if they are not because then they can piss someone off enough to keep scrolling away while not investing the time to actually contemplate on what they have just seen. Use social media for dog videos. It’s better that way. I don't use any social media other than this MB In that regard I'm sometimes confronted with the excesses of Twitter What I lament is a recent Minister with aspirations of becoming PM using manipulated Twitter Posts to further his own advancement What garbage anonymous Numties post I care less but I'm sure they find like minded idiots, but are ultimately harmless unlike public representatives
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Post by wannabee on Jan 14, 2024 4:11:28 GMT
“How did it ever come to this” It’s called Twitter. It’s a cesspit. It’s an awful site. It batters people with content upon content. Just when you try and stop to digest what you just saw, something else pops up to keep you doom scrolling. This desperate need for 24/7 access to ongoing events perpetuates “viral” videos. They don’t have to be factual. They are better if they are not because then they can piss someone off enough to keep scrolling away while not investing the time to actually contemplate on what they have just seen. Use social media for dog videos. It’s better that way.
I'm sure wannabee will respond to your post himself but from where I'm sitting, I think you may have missed the point he was making.
The sentiment of Jenrick's post, is what is so sad/disgusting/shameful here, not the platform he is using in which to express his views.
He could have equally expressed exactly the same thoughts in a TV interview with (say) Laura Kuenssberg or a radio interview with Andrew Neil.
As wannabbe said, it is utterly depressing, that British 'politics' is now absolutely in the gutter, when such high profile politicians are allowed to use such awful rhetoric, regardless of which platform they use to express it.
As for Twitter being a cesspit, it can't be simply be dismissed in such total terms, as was so eloquently expressed in the Hague on Thursday ... this is the first time in history that a genocide is being broadcast (via Twitter) to the world, in the hope that the world will listen and come to their aid.
Exactly and you were posting same time as i
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Post by gawa on Jan 14, 2024 19:07:57 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jan 14, 2024 20:33:28 GMT
I stand corrected sir. I guess as I mainly browse most read that people don't read about these so much and don't appear. Apologies all.
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Post by gawa on Jan 14, 2024 20:51:05 GMT
That doesn't mean that Israel "allowed it to happen" does it? It also ignores the fact that Hamas actually planned and did conduct the attacks. This is a conspiracy theory similar to many on several subjects over that past few years that people like you are quick to dismiss. Bayern is right here. Israel took their eye off the ball and they will have to answer to that in the future. We can agree to disagree. Maybe had Israel shown more honesty in their reporting in the aftermath their events would be more believable to someone like myself. But when you find out: - They lied about baby beheading - They lied about having tanks present which then shot and killed innocent Israelis hiding in their homes (words of Israelis) - They lied about a helicopter being present and shooting at festival goers. - They lied about receiving intelligence from Egypt of an upcoming attack (confirmed by USA intelligence) - They lied about bombing hospitals. - They lied about being warned by IDF members about activity at the gaza border. Etc.. etc.. One too many boys crying wolf for me. Especially when it's conveniently being used as a justification for bombing down schools and hospitals and murdering 10s of thousands of women and children. But who knows maybe im just a conspiracy theorist. Maybe hamas will be eradicated once and for all and palestines will be allowed to live peacefully in Gaza without being controlled by a foreign entity. Let's see what happens in the coming months. I'd hate for all those homes, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, children and women to have been murdered and for hamas to still exist. What a waste of life.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 14, 2024 20:58:28 GMT
This is stunning and leaves you needing to catch your breath by the end. So, so powerful when delivered in this way.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 15, 2024 2:01:50 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 15, 2024 9:16:09 GMT
That doesn't mean that Israel "allowed it to happen" does it? It also ignores the fact that Hamas actually planned and did conduct the attacks. This is a conspiracy theory similar to many on several subjects over that past few years that people like you are quick to dismiss. Bayern is right here. Israel took their eye off the ball and they will have to answer to that in the future. We can agree to disagree. Maybe had Israel shown more honesty in their reporting in the aftermath their events would be more believable to someone like myself. But when you find out: - They lied about baby beheading - They lied about having tanks present which then shot and killed innocent Israelis hiding in their homes (words of Israelis) - They lied about a helicopter being present and shooting at festival goers. - They lied about receiving intelligence from Egypt of an upcoming attack (confirmed by USA intelligence) - They lied about bombing hospitals. - They lied about being warned by IDF members about activity at the gaza border. Etc.. etc.. One too many boys crying wolf for me. Especially when it's conveniently being used as a justification for bombing down schools and hospitals and murdering 10s of thousands of women and children. But who knows maybe im just a conspiracy theorist. Maybe hamas will be eradicated once and for all and palestines will be allowed to live peacefully in Gaza without being controlled by a foreign entity. Let's see what happens in the coming months. I'd hate for all those homes, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, children and women to have been murdered and for hamas to still exist. What a waste of life.
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Post by gawa on Jan 15, 2024 9:29:28 GMT
Good article for Davef www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67958260Noa says she couldn't count how many times she had filed reports. Within the unit, everyone "took it seriously and would pass it on but in the end they [people outside of the unit] didn't do anything about it". According to a report in the New York Times, a lengthy blueprint detailing Hamas's plans had been in the hands of Israeli officials for more than a year before 7 October, but was dismissed as aspirational. None of this is new either. This was reported in the days after October 7th. Why it's taken 101 days for bbc to report it who knows. Maybe to try and seem impartial now most of gaza is flattened? Bit late now.
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