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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 6, 2023 9:55:11 GMT
Cried my eyes out at this one as a youngster. Ronald Koeman who should have been sent off minutes before the free kick after hauling down Platt with just the keeper to beat. We really were a terrible side back then and failed to qualify for the World Cup. Fantastic partisan commentary by the late great Brian Moore and Big Ron though Third rate keeping, makes Joe Hart look like Iker Casillas. I never got the love affair with Shilts Seaman.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 6, 2023 9:59:51 GMT
Cried my eyes out at this one as a youngster. Ronald Koeman who should have been sent off minutes before the free kick after hauling down Platt with just the keeper to beat. We really were a terrible side back then and failed to qualify for the World Cup. Fantastic partisan commentary by the late great Brian Moore and Big Ron though Third rate keeping, makes Joe Hart look like Iker Casillas. I never got the love affair with Shilts. Shilts was long retired at international level by then. Seaman in goal for that.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 6, 2023 10:07:43 GMT
Third rate keeping, makes Joe Hart look like Iker Casillas. I never got the love affair with Shilts. Shilts was long retired at international level by then. Seaman in goal for that. Whoops, so it is! I just saw a rolly polly figure and thought it was Shilts. Hated our keeper line up back then, just so average.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 6, 2023 10:26:43 GMT
Shilts was long retired at international level by then. Seaman in goal for that. Whoops, so it is! I just saw a rolly polly figure and thought it was Shilts. Hated our keeper line up back then, just so average. Always rated DS but don't think he hit his peak for another few years. Was never a big fan of Chris Woods. Thankfully we'd be spoiled for choice by about 96-2000 with Seaman, Flowers, Martyn etc.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 6, 2023 12:18:10 GMT
Whoops, so it is! I just saw a rolly polly figure and thought it was Shilts. Hated our keeper line up back then, just so average. Always rated DS but don't think he hit his peak for another few years. Was never a big fan of Chris Woods. Thankfully we'd be spoiled for choice by about 96-2000 with Seaman, Flowers, Martyn etc. Yes, things got better after that. After Italia 90 the wheels came off and didn't recover until 96.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 6, 2023 12:19:59 GMT
Always rated DS but don't think he hit his peak for another few years. Was never a big fan of Chris Woods. Thankfully we'd be spoiled for choice by about 96-2000 with Seaman, Flowers, Martyn etc. Yes, things got better after that. After Italia 90 the wheels came off and didn't recover until 96. Bizarre that Taylor jettisoned so many of the heroes. A nice man but totally the wrong man for the job. Not sure if that was the consensus view at the time.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 7, 2023 7:03:53 GMT
Yes, things got better after that. After Italia 90 the wheels came off and didn't recover until 96. Bizarre that Taylor jettisoned so many of the heroes. A nice man but totally the wrong man for the job. Not sure if that was the consensus view at the time. Taylor's jettisoning was him trying to create a new era. Waddle was amongst the world's best at Marseille but Taylor wanted his new era. When Waddle was precisely what England needed he Taylor still couldn't pick him. He'd been so adamant about Waddle being jettisoned if he'd have looked weak.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 7, 2023 7:20:35 GMT
Bizarre that Taylor jettisoned so many of the heroes. A nice man but totally the wrong man for the job. Not sure if that was the consensus view at the time. Taylor's jettisoning was him trying to create a new era. Waddle was amongst the world's best at Marseille but Taylor wanted his new era. When Waddle was precisely what England needed he Taylor still couldn't pick him. He'd been so adamant about Waddle being jettisoned if he'd have looked weak. Bizarre given that Italia '90 offered an easy blueprint to a new era. He seemed to run screaming from it in the opposite direction.
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Post by ihaveadream on Jun 7, 2023 11:49:33 GMT
The 1976/77 season:- Financial problems caused by the collapse of the uninsured Butler Street stand were "resolved" by the selling of Hudson, Greenhoff, Shilton, Pejic and Crookes. Waddington "resigned". (Denis's autobiography suggests he was forced to do so and effectively became the board's scapegoat) We got relegated. The season was topped off when the S**t won the FA Cup our player. Crooks didn't leave until 1980. Thing is though, the bank had started to demand money back. If the roof hadn't blown off we'd have had to sell the big earners anyway. Getting old, misremembering Crooks transfer timing.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 7, 2023 12:41:31 GMT
Taylor's jettisoning was him trying to create a new era. Waddle was amongst the world's best at Marseille but Taylor wanted his new era. When Waddle was precisely what England needed he Taylor still couldn't pick him. He'd been so adamant about Waddle being jettisoned if he'd have looked weak. Bizarre given that Italia '90 offered an easy blueprint to a new era. He seemed to run screaming from it in the opposite direction. He did. Robson had eight years experience in it and wanted to carry on. But he Was forced out and those eight years all dissolved instantly. When things got tough I reckon Taylor wanted to go full pomo but didn't dare because of the battering he feared from the media. And he got media hammering (but nothing like Robson got) which was cruel at times but in his dealings he didn't help himself.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 7, 2023 12:56:55 GMT
Bizarre given that Italia '90 offered an easy blueprint to a new era. He seemed to run screaming from it in the opposite direction. He did. Robson had eight years experience in it and wanted to carry on. But he Was forced out and those eight years all dissolved instantly. When things got tough I reckon Taylor wanted to go full pomo but didn't dare because of the battering he feared from the media. And he got media hammering (but nothing like Robson got) which was cruel at times but in his dealings he didn't help himself. The Impossible Job is on YouTube in full and is still a terrific watch, you get a sense of what a decent bloke Taylor was (and what scumbags the press pack were) but also just how out of his depth he was. An unintentional comedy masterpiece.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 7, 2023 17:32:09 GMT
He did. Robson had eight years experience in it and wanted to carry on. But he Was forced out and those eight years all dissolved instantly. When things got tough I reckon Taylor wanted to go full pomo but didn't dare because of the battering he feared from the media. And he got media hammering (but nothing like Robson got) which was cruel at times but in his dealings he didn't help himself. The Impossible Job is on YouTube in full and is still a terrific watch, you get a sense of what a decent bloke Taylor was (and what scumbags the press pack were) but also just how out of his depth he was. An unintentional comedy masterpiece. His dad was a sport writer. He used this to try endear himself to them. Making out he was like them and wanted to help them etc. Calamity though he was there wasn't any great objection to him getting the job though. The FA had politically manoeuvred the right one out of the job. BUT for all Robson's status as a national treasure, until Cameroon he was widely reviled.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 7, 2023 18:07:59 GMT
The Impossible Job is on YouTube in full and is still a terrific watch, you get a sense of what a decent bloke Taylor was (and what scumbags the press pack were) but also just how out of his depth he was. An unintentional comedy masterpiece. His dad was a sport writer. He used this to try endear himself to them. Making out he was like them and wanted to help them etc. Calamity though he was there wasn't any great objection to him getting the job though. The FA had politically manoeuvred the right one out of the job. BUT for all Robson's status as a national treasure, until Cameroon he was widely reviled. Possibly an argument it was the right time for Bobby to move on (though not the way it happened, which was a disgrace) - he'd been in the job for 8 years and it seemed like some of the big tactical changes that had worked in '86 and '90 were instigated at the players' request. It is odd that Taylor seemed to be widely regarded as the right man to succeed him though and not a Venables or Kendall.
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Post by Northy on Jun 7, 2023 18:31:44 GMT
Losing 6 - 0 away at bloody Swindon Town of all places
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2023 19:41:08 GMT
Losing 6 - 0 away at bloody Swindon Town of all places That was sort of enjoyable, at one point we were full on supporting Swindon, also everyone piling into the bogs during a sudden burst of rain
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jun 7, 2023 20:13:43 GMT
I think nothing from recent times bothers me that much as you get older you realise its just 22 guys kicking a bag of wind around and there are far more important things to worry about in life. Then again as a teenager and losing at home to Blyth Spartans and then having to go into school the next day, terrifying!
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Post by Northy on Jun 7, 2023 20:29:57 GMT
Losing 6 - 0 away at bloody Swindon Town of all places That was sort of enjoyable, at one point we were full on supporting Swindon, also everyone piling into the bogs during a sudden burst of rain And a shit walk back to the train station
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Post by dastokie on Jun 7, 2023 21:00:01 GMT
The signing of Joe Allen
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 8, 2023 6:02:32 GMT
His dad was a sport writer. He used this to try endear himself to them. Making out he was like them and wanted to help them etc. Calamity though he was there wasn't any great objection to him getting the job though. The FA had politically manoeuvred the right one out of the job. BUT for all Robson's status as a national treasure, until Cameroon he was widely reviled. Possibly an argument it was the right time for Bobby to move on (though not the way it happened, which was a disgrace) - he'd been in the job for 8 years and it seemed like some of the big tactical changes that had worked in '86 and '90 were instigated at the players' request. It is odd that Taylor seemed to be widely regarded as the right man to succeed him though and not a Venables or Kendall. One thing about Taylor is, nobody admits to it, but there wasn't much disapproval of his appointment. He'd earned the job when he got it. Robson said he knew they'd play a sweeper against Netherlands before they left England. I thought that was bollox but, on reflection, why else would he take Wright instead of Adams?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2023 7:06:14 GMT
Possibly an argument it was the right time for Bobby to move on (though not the way it happened, which was a disgrace) - he'd been in the job for 8 years and it seemed like some of the big tactical changes that had worked in '86 and '90 were instigated at the players' request. It is odd that Taylor seemed to be widely regarded as the right man to succeed him though and not a Venables or Kendall. One thing about Taylor is, nobody admits to it, but there wasn't much disapproval of his appointment. He'd earned the job when he got it. Robson said he knew they'd play a sweeper against Netherlands before they left England. I thought that was bollox but, on reflection, why else would he take Wright instead of Adams? I can understand to a point as well, he was respected and he'd just finished second with Villa. Good point re Wright, though in All Played Out, Pete Davies talks to Robson during the tournament about the systems and he seems incredibly suspicious still about the sweeper system and is hailing 4-4-2 because Liverpool play it. "Are you telling me Liverpool aren't going to win another league title?", he asks him, incredulous. Of course they didn't for another 30 years.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 8, 2023 7:20:31 GMT
One thing about Taylor is, nobody admits to it, but there wasn't much disapproval of his appointment. He'd earned the job when he got it. Robson said he knew they'd play a sweeper against Netherlands before they left England. I thought that was bollox but, on reflection, why else would he take Wright instead of Adams? I can understand to a point as well, he was respected and he'd just finished second with Villa. Good point re Wright, though in All Played Out, Pete Davies talks to Robson during the tournament about the systems and he seems incredibly suspicious still about the sweeper system and is hailing 4-4-2 because Liverpool play it. "Are you telling me Liverpool aren't going to win another league title?", he asks him, incredulous. Of course they didn't for another 30 years. He was of the era when it was 442 and anything else is just fancy 😁. Not that there's anything wrong with 442 I hasten to add. You can get to a lot of different shapes from it.
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Post by skip on Jun 8, 2023 8:05:54 GMT
I can understand to a point as well, he was respected and he'd just finished second with Villa. Good point re Wright, though in All Played Out, Pete Davies talks to Robson during the tournament about the systems and he seems incredibly suspicious still about the sweeper system and is hailing 4-4-2 because Liverpool play it. "Are you telling me Liverpool aren't going to win another league title?", he asks him, incredulous. Of course they didn't for another 30 years. He was of the era when it was 442 and anything else is just fancy 😁. Not that there's anything wrong with 442 I hasten to add. You can get to a lot of different shapes from it. 442. Where sacred geometry meets formations. It just requires a smart manager to use its inbuilt flexibility and not to presume it is positionally fixed. Anyway, World Cup Semi Final 1990. The only game I have been truly gutted at the outcome.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 8, 2023 9:09:14 GMT
442. Where sacred geometry meets formations. It just requires a smart manager to use its inbuilt flexibility and not to presume it is positionally fixed. The sacred geometry of chance... that's just the shape of his team. Sting wrote a song about it! 😉
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Post by stantheman on Jun 8, 2023 9:11:55 GMT
Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but asking Sir Stan to take a penalty at the Shiny new Brit and seeing him miss was a very bad omen
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Post by Gunslinger on Jun 8, 2023 9:53:12 GMT
Being relegated at the last match of the season in 76/77 was traumatic when I was a young boy. I still hate Aston Villa and Andy Gray for that.
Losing against Blyth Spartans was another traumatic experience.
The sale of Paul Peschisolido in 1996 (?) was a real kick in the teeth, especially because we lost the play-off semi-final against Leicester just a couple of months later. And THAT header from Potter... Horrible, just horrible.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jun 8, 2023 10:24:29 GMT
Still Leicester in the play offs for me. We battered them in the 1st leg at Filbert Street and should've bought a 2-0 lead to the Vic and I still don't know how Graham Potter missed that header from 4 yards out. Internationally there's too many bad memories but Euro 96 sticks out. If Gazza had got his toe on that cross across the goal we'd have gone on and won the tournament on home soil.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2023 12:52:12 GMT
International wise watching England let a 2-0 lead slip v W Germany in Mexico 70 and the mega frustrating draw with Poland which saw England fail to qualify for the 74 World Cup.
The first 4 tournaments I could remember had been 66 winners, 68 semi finals, 70 and 72 quarter finals so the realisation that actually England were not a top rate footballing nation came as a shock!
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 9, 2023 9:22:58 GMT
Fuck that! However much it upset me loosing to them in the final I could never want the shit to win against any team in the world. They are the lowest of the low, a steaming pile of horseshit of a club with an army of arrogant glory hunting twats who claim to follow them yet have never stepped foot in Manchester let alone Old Trafford. The longer Man city stay at the top the longer it means those cunts never will be, for that reason alone I'm glad they beat them yesterday but to see the look on that twat Fergies face when they were loosing was priceless. And Beckham (typical Shit fan, a Cockney) Correct mate. Wales, Ireland, and London being the main ones where the gloryhunting twats breed most but they are from everywhere bar Manchester. It at least seems like that though I'm sure there are genuine fans from Manchester who would follow them no matter what they won but they are the most hated club for a good reason.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 9, 2023 10:38:17 GMT
International wise watching England let a 2-0 lead slip v W Germany in Mexico 70 and the mega frustrating draw with Poland which saw England fail to qualify for the 74 World Cup. The first 4 tournaments I could remember had been 66 winners, 68 semi finals, 70 and 72 quarter finals so the realisation that actually England were not a top rate footballing nation came as a shock! I was 9 at the time of Mexico 70 and the games were late and went to bed at half time when we were 2-0 up. Woke up in the morning thinking we'd won and then...best to have your dreams shattered when you are young as it's good preparation for life as a Stoke supporter....
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 9, 2023 12:08:05 GMT
one of the worst moments for me was Jimmy Greenhoff been sold to man utd, i was gutted
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