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Post by march4 on Sept 12, 2024 12:41:24 GMT
Tonight, Stoke welcome 3rd Division Halifax Town to the Victoria Ground for a League Cup tie. Huddy is ruled out after his car accident and Hurst is to be given a run out in preference to Ritchie because Big John is suspended from the forthcoming UEFA cup match (he was sent off at Kaiserslautern). TC has a tummy bug but is expected to play. This game sticks in my memory as I stood in the Butler St paddock for a change of routine. A crowd of only 19,000 meant plenty of room and there were a group of Keele University students standing next to me who supported Halifax. Somehow they had brought into the ground a full crate of bottles of beer (Double Diamond I seem to remember) and they were happy to share with the folk around them! We lined up; - Farmer, Marsh, Pejic, Mahoney, Smith, Dodd, Haslegrave, Greenhoff, Hurst, Conroy, Salmons. Sub; - Robertson. TC had always rated himself as a striker and now was his chance to show what he could do and he didn't let himself down, scoring the first hat-trick of his Stoke career. The 3rd goal was a penalty after TC himself had been brought down. A special mention to Haslegrave who was behind everything that went well on the night, finishing with two assists to his name. A straightforward 3-0 win against a gallant Halifax team. After the game, England manager Don Revie names Greenhoff, Hudson, Pejic and Salmons amongst those invited to his 84 player get together. Disappointment for Smith who Stoke supporters felt should also have been involved. The evening is dominated by events at Leeds, where the newspapers report that before their cup game with 3rd Division Huddersfield, the players had a vote of no confidence in new manager Brian Clough. It took an 89th minute equaliser from Lorimer to save the League Champions from humiliation. The next morning Clough is sacked after just 44 days in charge. Leeds player Johnny Giles is favourite to replace him. At Crewe Alex there is turmoil, as the Chairman resigns and 3 other directors are voted off. Nationally, as Harold Wilson's government struggles, there is a sugar shortage and the price doubles overnight to 20p a bag. I remember visiting houses where their pantries were stacked bottom to top with dozens of bags. View AttachmentI was always under the impression there were 5 Stoke players in the Revie squad? Must be my memory playing tricks. I'd be interested in seeing a list of the 84 players though if anyone has got it? Used to be a photo of it with the Stoke players huddled together but cant find a record of that. He used 52 players in his 29 England games apparently. The photo was in the Daily Mirror but it was across a double page and so it is not easy to post it on here. Its 50 years today since this incredible interview was broadcast;
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Post by march4 on Sept 12, 2024 13:02:48 GMT
Tonight, Stoke welcome 3rd Division Halifax Town to the Victoria Ground for a League Cup tie. Huddy is ruled out after his car accident and Hurst is to be given a run out in preference to Ritchie because Big John is suspended from the forthcoming UEFA cup match (he was sent off at Kaiserslautern). TC has a tummy bug but is expected to play. This game sticks in my memory as I stood in the Butler St paddock for a change of routine. A crowd of only 19,000 meant plenty of room and there were a group of Keele University students standing next to me who supported Halifax. Somehow they had brought into the ground a full crate of bottles of beer (Double Diamond I seem to remember) and they were happy to share with the folk around them! We lined up; - Farmer, Marsh, Pejic, Mahoney, Smith, Dodd, Haslegrave, Greenhoff, Hurst, Conroy, Salmons. Sub; - Robertson. TC had always rated himself as a striker and now was his chance to show what he could do and he didn't let himself down, scoring the first hat-trick of his Stoke career. The 3rd goal was a penalty after TC himself had been brought down. A special mention to Haslegrave who was behind everything that went well on the night, finishing with two assists to his name. A straightforward 3-0 win against a gallant Halifax team. After the game, England manager Don Revie names Greenhoff, Hudson, Pejic and Salmons amongst those invited to his 84 player get together. Disappointment for Smith who Stoke supporters felt should also have been involved. The evening is dominated by events at Leeds, where the newspapers report that before their cup game with 3rd Division Huddersfield, the players had a vote of no confidence in new manager Brian Clough. It took an 89th minute equaliser from Lorimer to save the League Champions from humiliation. The next morning Clough is sacked after just 44 days in charge. Leeds player Johnny Giles is favourite to replace him. At Crewe Alex there is turmoil, as the Chairman resigns and 3 other directors are voted off. Nationally, as Harold Wilson's government struggles, there is a sugar shortage and the price doubles overnight to 20p a bag. I remember visiting houses where their pantries were stacked bottom to top with dozens of bags. View AttachmentI was always under the impression there were 5 Stoke players in the Revie squad? Must be my memory playing tricks. I'd be interested in seeing a list of the 84 players though if anyone has got it? Used to be a photo of it with the Stoke players huddled together but cant find a record of that. He used 52 players in his 29 England games apparently.
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Post by march4 on Sept 12, 2024 13:04:24 GMT
Tonight, Stoke welcome 3rd Division Halifax Town to the Victoria Ground for a League Cup tie. Huddy is ruled out after his car accident and Hurst is to be given a run out in preference to Ritchie because Big John is suspended from the forthcoming UEFA cup match (he was sent off at Kaiserslautern). TC has a tummy bug but is expected to play. This game sticks in my memory as I stood in the Butler St paddock for a change of routine. A crowd of only 19,000 meant plenty of room and there were a group of Keele University students standing next to me who supported Halifax. Somehow they had brought into the ground a full crate of bottles of beer (Double Diamond I seem to remember) and they were happy to share with the folk around them! We lined up; - Farmer, Marsh, Pejic, Mahoney, Smith, Dodd, Haslegrave, Greenhoff, Hurst, Conroy, Salmons. Sub; - Robertson. TC had always rated himself as a striker and now was his chance to show what he could do and he didn't let himself down, scoring the first hat-trick of his Stoke career. The 3rd goal was a penalty after TC himself had been brought down. A special mention to Haslegrave who was behind everything that went well on the night, finishing with two assists to his name. A straightforward 3-0 win against a gallant Halifax team. After the game, England manager Don Revie names Greenhoff, Hudson, Pejic and Salmons amongst those invited to his 84 player get together. Disappointment for Smith who Stoke supporters felt should also have been involved. The evening is dominated by events at Leeds, where the newspapers report that before their cup game with 3rd Division Huddersfield, the players had a vote of no confidence in new manager Brian Clough. It took an 89th minute equaliser from Lorimer to save the League Champions from humiliation. The next morning Clough is sacked after just 44 days in charge. Leeds player Johnny Giles is favourite to replace him. At Crewe Alex there is turmoil, as the Chairman resigns and 3 other directors are voted off. Nationally, as Harold Wilson's government struggles, there is a sugar shortage and the price doubles overnight to 20p a bag. I remember visiting houses where their pantries were stacked bottom to top with dozens of bags. View AttachmentI was always under the impression there were 5 Stoke players in the Revie squad? Must be my memory playing tricks. I'd be interested in seeing a list of the 84 players though if anyone has got it? Used to be a photo of it with the Stoke players huddled together but cant find a record of that. He used 52 players in his 29 England games apparently.
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Post by Absolution on Sept 12, 2024 13:08:41 GMT
I was always under the impression there were 5 Stoke players in the Revie squad? Must be my memory playing tricks. I'd be interested in seeing a list of the 84 players though if anyone has got it? Used to be a photo of it with the Stoke players huddled together but cant find a record of that. He used 52 players in his 29 England games apparently. View AttachmentStrange, I have a vague recollection of Smith being one of 5 Stoke players in a photograph of the 84.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 12, 2024 13:11:21 GMT
I was always under the impression there were 5 Stoke players in the Revie squad? Must be my memory playing tricks. I'd be interested in seeing a list of the 84 players though if anyone has got it? Used to be a photo of it with the Stoke players huddled together but cant find a record of that. He used 52 players in his 29 England games apparently. View AttachmentBrilliant find March. I even got the huddled together bit wrong! It looks like Denis Smith was there though listed at No. 74, so that bit of my memory is still functioning at least. John Tudor and Alec Lindsay are both there, two of our worst ever signings. Don't like the fact that Peter Storey is next to Geoff Salmons. Should be keeping well away from him!
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Post by senojbor on Sept 12, 2024 14:01:20 GMT
On this day in 1974 we were 4th in the league.
February 75 we went top
It was anyone's league and Derby came from mid table to win it
Had we signed Osgood in the March that year we probably would have won it. Long Injuries to Richie, Greenhoff, Robertson and Pejic killed us.
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Post by march4 on Sept 12, 2024 14:27:49 GMT
On this day in 1974 we were 4th in the league. February 75 we went top It was anyone's league and Derby came from mid table to win it Had we signed Osgood in the March that year we probably would have won it. Long Injuries to Richie, Greenhoff, Robertson and Pejic killed us. Osgood didn't score a goal for Soton that season and they were relegated. However, Franny Lee went to Derby for £100,000 and his goals........................ (no spoilers).
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 12, 2024 14:36:31 GMT
On this day in 1974 we were 4th in the league. February 75 we went top It was anyone's league and Derby came from mid table to win it Had we signed Osgood in the March that year we probably would have won it. Long Injuries to Richie, Greenhoff, Robertson and Pejic killed us. I'm sceptical about the Osgood factor. He was poor when he went to Southampton and that was in the old Division 2 Also he wanted to stay down South, so it wasn't a goer anyway. We couldn't have done much more about it. Southampton were relegated in the season he joined them. He didn't score 1 goal that season for them. Then in Division 2 he played 126 league games and scored only 24 goals over 4 seasons so he was a bit of a flop really.
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Post by march4 on Sept 12, 2024 15:45:43 GMT
On this day in 1974 we were 4th in the league. February 75 we went top It was anyone's league and Derby came from mid table to win it Had we signed Osgood in the March that year we probably would have won it. Long Injuries to Richie, Greenhoff, Robertson and Pejic killed us. I'm sceptical about the Osgood factor. He was poor when he went to Southampton and that was in the old Division 2 Also he wanted to stay down South, so it wasn't a goer anyway. We couldn't have done much more about it. Southampton were relegated in the season he joined them. He didn't score 1 goal that season for them. Then in Division 2 he played 126 league games and scored only 24 goals over 4 seasons so he was a bit of a flop really. Not only was Francis Lee available for £100,000 but at the time we bought Shilton, Charlie George was on the transfer list for £200,000. So for the cost of one Osgood or one Shilton, we could have bought the goals of Lee and George.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 12, 2024 16:02:09 GMT
I'm sceptical about the Osgood factor. He was poor when he went to Southampton and that was in the old Division 2 Also he wanted to stay down South, so it wasn't a goer anyway. We couldn't have done much more about it. Southampton were relegated in the season he joined them. He didn't score 1 goal that season for them. Then in Division 2 he played 126 league games and scored only 24 goals over 4 seasons so he was a bit of a flop really. Not only was Francis Lee available for £100,000 but at the time we bought Shilton, Charlie George was on the transfer list for £200,000. So for the cost of one Osgood or one Shilton, we could have bought the goals of Lee and George. Wow!......can you imagine Charlie George with Hudson.......I wont sleep tonight now!!!!
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Post by senojbor on Sept 13, 2024 12:29:43 GMT
On this day in 1974 we were 4th in the league. February 75 we went top It was anyone's league and Derby came from mid table to win it Had we signed Osgood in the March that year we probably would have won it. Long Injuries to Richie, Greenhoff, Robertson and Pejic killed us. Osgood didn't score a goal for Soton that season and they were relegated. However, Franny Lee went to Derby for £100,000 and his goals........................ (no spoilers). Soton were rubbish. Didn't we beat them 4-1 at home with 'that' Richie goal? Thing is we'll never know about Osgood. Remember going to Bramall lane with 3 games to go and it was billed as the Currie v Hudson game. Currie was throwing his arms in the air everytime he won a duel. Hudson and We lost Never like SU since
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Post by march4 on Sept 13, 2024 12:51:52 GMT
Osgood didn't score a goal for Soton that season and they were relegated. However, Franny Lee went to Derby for £100,000 and his goals........................ (no spoilers). Soton were rubbish. Didn't we beat them 4-1 at home with 'that' Richie goal? Thing is we'll never know about Osgood. Remember going to Bramall lane with 3 games to go and it was billed as the Currie v Hudson game. Currie was throwing his arms in the air everytime he won a duel. Hudson and We lost Never like SU since Big John hit a hat trick that day - the 3rd being the goal he scored on his hands and knees. He celebrated by sticking two fingers up.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 13, 2024 13:45:15 GMT
Soton were rubbish. Didn't we beat them 4-1 at home with 'that' Richie goal? Thing is we'll never know about Osgood. Remember going to Bramall lane with 3 games to go and it was billed as the Currie v Hudson game. Currie was throwing his arms in the air everytime he won a duel. Hudson and We lost Never like SU since Big John hit a hat trick that day - the 3rd being the goal he scored on his hands and knees. He celebrated by sticking two fingers up. That game was Peter Osgood's Southampton debut and am I right in saying Osgood made some derogatory remarks about Ritchie in advance of the game saying he was a bit of a 'carthorse'? Hence the 2 fingers. March will correct me on this. I can still see that goal on his hands and knees now..... magical moment it was!
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Post by tpholloway1 on Sept 13, 2024 14:28:56 GMT
Big John hit a hat trick that day - the 3rd being the goal he scored on his hands and knees. He celebrated by sticking two fingers up. That game was Peter Osgood's Southampton debut and am I right in saying Osgood made some derogatory remarks about Ritchie in advance of the game saying he was a bit of a 'carthorse'? Hence the 2 fingers. March will correct me on this. I can still see that goal on his hands and knees now..... magical moment it was! I think Osgood had said something along the lines that Ritchie could only score with his head. That goal is one of my favourite Stoke City moments, pity it's not on film somewhere.
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Post by march4 on Sept 13, 2024 14:53:48 GMT
That game was Peter Osgood's Southampton debut and am I right in saying Osgood made some derogatory remarks about Ritchie in advance of the game saying he was a bit of a 'carthorse'? Hence the 2 fingers. March will correct me on this. I can still see that goal on his hands and knees now..... magical moment it was! I think Osgood had said something along the lines that Ritchie could only score with his head. That goal is one of my favourite Stoke City moments, pity it's not on film somewhere. Spot on. That’s what he said.
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Post by march4 on Sept 14, 2024 10:02:24 GMT
4th placed Stoke welcome injury hit Coventry today for a game in which Huddy has declared himself hit after his car crash even though he is unable to head the ball. TC is dropped to the sub's bench in spite of his midweek hat-trick. We lined up; - Farmer, Marsh, Pejic, Mahoney, Smith, Dodd, Haslegrave, Greenhoff, Ritchie, Hudson, Salmons. Sub; - Conroy. Coventry didn't really stand a chance as we hit top form and they are less of a physical threat away from home than they are at Highfield Rd. We dominated to such an extent that it was surprise that we took an hour to score, but what a goal it was. Haslegrave collected the ball in his own area and carried it the length of the pitch in spite of a couple of attempted rugby tackles. Once in the opposition box he crossed to Greenhoff who played in Mahoney who scored with ease. A few minutes later Greenhoff was again involved lofting forward to Ritchie who hit an absolute thunderbolt of a volley into the top corner. Had our centre forward ever scored a better goal? A straightforward 2-0 win which left Waddo purring afterwards about the professionalism of his team. The only downside was an attendance of only 22,000 - the Sentinel had stated at the start of the season that we needed to average 30,000 gates to pay for Salmons and Hudson and so far only the Leeds game had exceeded that figure. We remain 4th. Paisley's assertion that Liverpool will remain top all season was blown apart as they lost at Man City and Ipswich go top. Our next 3 games? Ajax, Liverpool and Ipswich - that will test us! The weekend papers are full of interviews with Cloughie. In one he tells Billy Bremner that he isn't the manager of Leeds Utd. There is dissent on the Leeds Board as some of the directors were not involved in Clough's sacking and are now unhappy. With Clough gone, Leeds lose again and are now 4th from bottom. In a surprise move, Johnny Giles rules himself out of the Leeds job. Terry Venables is being sold by QPR to Crystal Palace much to his annoyance and that of his QPR team mates. Referee Clive Thomas has instructed his solicitors to take action against a supporter who ran onto the pitch and pushed him during the Soton vs Pompey game. The IRA terror campaign continues with two major legal figures shot and killed on their doorsteps. And police are concerned about the forthcoming fixture at Millwall against ManU.
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Post by Northy on Sept 18, 2024 7:49:15 GMT
The Sentinel is reporting that Stoke are interested in signing goalkeeper Peter Shilton from Leicester. A fee of £300,000 has been mentioned but Chairman Albert Henshall is adamant that Stoke have no money but would be interested in a player exchange. And Francis Lee has moved to Derby for a fee of £100,000. Stoke were rumoured to be interested in signing the striker throughout the summer. Shilton is 75 today, makes you feel a bit old doesn't it
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 18, 2024 8:18:24 GMT
50 years since we played Ajax.
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Post by AlliG on Sept 18, 2024 14:11:57 GMT
The Sentinel is reporting that Stoke are interested in signing goalkeeper Peter Shilton from Leicester. A fee of £300,000 has been mentioned but Chairman Albert Henshall is adamant that Stoke have no money but would be interested in a player exchange. And Francis Lee has moved to Derby for a fee of £100,000. Stoke were rumoured to be interested in signing the striker throughout the summer. Shilton is 75 today, makes you feel a bit old doesn't it Especially when I remember all the stories in the papers and football magazines about a brilliant 17 year old prospect ready to replace Banks at Leicester.
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Post by Northy on Sept 18, 2024 17:26:41 GMT
50 years since we played Ajax. Remember being packed in for that one, over 40,000 wasn't there?
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2024 19:32:10 GMT
Rarely has a game been so keenly anticipated as tonight's UEFA Cup clash against Ajax of Amsterdam. For context, Ajax with stars such as Cruyff and Neeskens, had changed the face of the game in Europe with their total football that had made them continental champions in 1970, 71 and 72. However, with the big stars having been poached by European rivals this was not the same Ajax team and they had experienced a more disappointing 1973/74 season. In the build up to the game, the Sentinel had focussed on the Ajax team day by day for the past couple of weeks and the Dutch team didn't let their game in the Potteries pass by without a visit to the Wedgwood factory. In front of a disappointing crowd of 37,000, we lined up; - Farmer, Marsh, Pejic, Mahoney, Smith, Dodd, Haslegrave, Greenhoff, Conroy, Hudson, Salmons. Sub; - Robertson. The Ajax team was; - Schrijers, Van Doort, Blankenburg, Dusbaba, Krol, Van Santen, Haan, Geels, Muhren, Rep, Keizer. Over the past 10 months we had been defeated only 3 times and were far and away the best team in England - were we also the best team in Europe? The game didn't really go as expected. The Sentinel report headlined "clinical Ajax annoy City crowd" and the letters page were scathing about Ajax's brand of football - the most common word being 'boring'. Ajax's tactics were those of which Middlesbrough would have been proud. They spoiled the game at every opportunity with cynical fouls and back passes. Was this the promised total football? Yes they were expert in keeping possession but seemed to have little interest in crossing the half way line. These were experienced European opponents who set out their stall to silence the home crowd and kill the game. Conroy and Greenhoff were scythed down early on and the Italian referee soon had the names of Keizer, Desbaba and Krol in his book. Our opponents dominated possession and in the first half we were left chasing shadows. In the 38th minute a long ranger from Krol flew past Farmer and now we were a goal down. Ajax couldn't hide their delight and our declared aim of taking a 2-0 lead back to Amsterdam looked impossible. In the 2nd half we changed our tactics, pushing Smith forward and swapping Robertson for Salmons. The game swung in Stoke's favour as the Dutch side failed to deal with Smith's power. After the game, Denis couldn't quite believe he hadn't scored a hat trick. However, he did score a vital goal as Pejic's shot was deflected against the post by Greenhoff and Smith bravely gobbled up the rebound. If only Ritchie hadn't been suspended, as Ajax would surely have experienced problems coping with the big striker. It's all to play for in Amsterdam but beating them in their own backyard is not going to be easy. And before the return, we face Liverpool and Ipswich, both away from home. PM Harold Wilson accepts that his 5 month old government is in crisis and calls an election for mid-October.
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