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Post by mamasgloves on Mar 20, 2023 9:52:27 GMT
He’s created nothing with it. Gayle has. Brown hasn’t. Nope, you're still not getting it. When the front 3 press the defence leading to for example Pearson nicking the ball, Laurent picking it up, driving with it and putting it wide to Hoever that relies on players that are able to play that role for 70-90 minutes. It's not about individual assists/goals per se it's about the team creating and scoring chances which is what we're doing currently. If the front 3 was Celina, Gayle and Campbell for example the opposition would be able to play 10/20 yards further up the pitch, we become a completely different team........ Not sure YOU get it. Our style and tactics demand that all front three players press, regardless of who plays- see Hoever there yesterday.Neil has just taken away Brown's sole contribution to the side, his workrate. As everyone esle is doing it he is now rightly being judged as a forward player based on his actual footballing ability and as a result is standoing out like a sore thumb.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 20, 2023 10:39:34 GMT
Nope, you're still not getting it. When the front 3 press the defence leading to for example Pearson nicking the ball, Laurent picking it up, driving with it and putting it wide to Hoever that relies on players that are able to play that role for 70-90 minutes. It's not about individual assists/goals per se it's about the team creating and scoring chances which is what we're doing currently. If the front 3 was Celina, Gayle and Campbell for example the opposition would be able to play 10/20 yards further up the pitch, we become a completely different team........ Not sure YOU get it. Our style and tactics demand that all front three players press, regardless of who plays- see Hoever there yesterday.Neil has just taken away Brown's sole contribution to the side, his workrate. As everyone esle is doing it he is now rightly being judged as a forward player based on his actual footballing ability and as a result is standoing out like a sore thumb. He's played up front for one solitary game recently, I'm talking in general terms as a lot of people were. A front 3 not including Brown cannot press as the manager wants to it's as simple as that. Campbell is getting there but struggles to press continuously, Celina couldn't do it if he was brought in and Gayle can do it in bursts. Smallbone can do it for 70-90 minutes no problem in fact it's the best part of his game by far. If Gayle was up front on Saturday he wouldn't have been in Brown's position for at least two of his chances. With the current personnel we have it's either Brown up front or Brown out wide, next season we need better.........
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 20, 2023 12:32:41 GMT
Smallbone’s chance was the easiest yesterday by a mile. Brown’s first header was definitely the simplest of his the only defence I would have is he was stretching for the ball a bit. His effort second half was at too nice a height for the keeper…… A striker should be burying that header, no excuses. Like I've said previously, he seems too happy to just hit the target and hope it goes in rather than pick a spot. With Brown, just forget it if he's got more than a milli second to think about what he should be doing! That cross was too long in the air for him That simple pass he should have played for Campbell was too long around his feet. If he has to think about it he picks the wrong option or fluffs his lines. I agree we do get some returns for his pressing, but its not enough long term.
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Post by pushon on Mar 20, 2023 13:07:59 GMT
A striker should be burying that header, no excuses. Like I've said previously, he seems too happy to just hit the target and hope it goes in rather than pick a spot. With Brown, just forget it if he's got more than a milli second to think about what he should be doing! That cross was too long in the air for him That simple pass he should have played for Campbell was too long around his feet. If he has to think about it he picks the wrong option or fluffs his lines. I agree we do get some returns for his pressing, but its not enough long term. When you put it like that, how could he possibly have been our top/best scorer last season?
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Post by george2again on Mar 20, 2023 13:40:20 GMT
With Brown, just forget it if he's got more than a milli second to think about what he should be doing! That cross was too long in the air for him That simple pass he should have played for Campbell was too long around his feet. If he has to think about it he picks the wrong option or fluffs his lines. I agree we do get some returns for his pressing, but its not enough long term. When you put it like that, how could he possibly have been our top/best scorer last season? Easy, a lot of his goals were scored when there was no pressure on us. Strikers essentially are there to score or alternatively create a lot of goals, he does neither.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2023 13:44:14 GMT
When you put it like that, how could he possibly have been our top/best scorer last season? Easy, a lot of his goals were scored when there was no pressure on us. Strikers essentially are there to score or alternatively create a lot of goals, he does neither. Wasting your breath many Stoke fans have a fetish for shit forwards who work aaard it's been that way for years.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 20, 2023 13:47:39 GMT
When you put it like that, how could he possibly have been our top/best scorer last season? Easy, a lot of his goals were scored when there was no pressure on us. Strikers essentially are there to score or alternatively create a lot of goals, he does neither. Not quite sure what you mean by that? In the 13 league games he scored in last season we won or drew 12 of them, the only goal he scored in defeat was the 2-1 defeat at Sheff Utd when he scored (an excellent strike I might add) to give us the lead........
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2023 14:02:04 GMT
Not sure YOU get it. Our style and tactics demand that all front three players press, regardless of who plays- see Hoever there yesterday.Neil has just taken away Brown's sole contribution to the side, his workrate. As everyone esle is doing it he is now rightly being judged as a forward player based on his actual footballing ability and as a result is standoing out like a sore thumb. He's played up front for one solitary game recently, I'm talking in general terms as a lot of people were. A front 3 not including Brown cannot press as the manager wants to it's as simple as that. Campbell is getting there but struggles to press continuously, Celina couldn't do it if he was brought in and Gayle can do it in bursts. Smallbone can do it for 70-90 minutes no problem in fact it's the best part of his game by far. If Gayle was up front on Saturday he wouldn't have been in Brown's position for at least two of his chances. With the current personnel we have it's either Brown up front or Brown out wide, next season we need better......... Gayle, Smallbone or Laurent lead the press these days. Brown's pressing doesn't look anywhere near as good in this team. As I said before, other players do it intelligently, Brown is like a dog chasing the ball. He can't tell when a defender has few options available to him so it is an opportunity to force him to play the ball.
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Post by pushon on Mar 20, 2023 14:07:04 GMT
He's played up front for one solitary game recently, I'm talking in general terms as a lot of people were. A front 3 not including Brown cannot press as the manager wants to it's as simple as that. Campbell is getting there but struggles to press continuously, Celina couldn't do it if he was brought in and Gayle can do it in bursts. Smallbone can do it for 70-90 minutes no problem in fact it's the best part of his game by far. If Gayle was up front on Saturday he wouldn't have been in Brown's position for at least two of his chances. With the current personnel we have it's either Brown up front or Brown out wide, next season we need better......... Gayle, Smallbone or Laurent lead the press these days. Brown's pressing doesn't look anywhere near as good in this team. As I said before, other players do it intelligently, Brown is like a dog chasing the ball. He can't tell when a defender has few options available to him so it is an opportunity to force him to play the ball. I don't think that even Peter Kaye could compose anything more amusing than that😁
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 20, 2023 17:57:47 GMT
No surprise there! The thing is, Brown WAS involved in several of our recent goals...it's been written about on here...but he won't accept anything positive about his favourite whipping boy, and I really can't be arsed giving him the info You literally haven't said which goals they were. What kind of gaslighting is this He's got no assists and scored none in the timeframe march mentioned. So what did he do? So clearly you don't really WATCH the games. Against Blackburn he had 3 defenders on him which allowed Hoever to be unmarked for his first goal.Against Sunderland he played the ball to Smallbone for him to cross for Laurent to score. If the above is "not being involved" then so be it...
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2023 18:05:31 GMT
You literally haven't said which goals they were. What kind of gaslighting is this He's got no assists and scored none in the timeframe march mentioned. So what did he do? So clearly you don't really WATCH the games. Against Blackburn he had 3 defenders on him which allowed Hoever to be unmarked for his first goal.Against Sunderland he played the ball to Smallbone for him to cross for Laurent to score. If the above is "not being involved" then so be it... Bit like the goaly being involved because he was on the pitch and even touched the ball at some point. Being involved in a goal to most would be scored, assisted, key pass. I think it's safe to say he wasn't directly involved in any of them being as you're having to scrape the barell so hard.
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 21, 2023 23:19:05 GMT
A striker should be burying that header, no excuses. Like I've said previously, he seems too happy to just hit the target and hope it goes in rather than pick a spot. With Brown, just forget it if he's got more than a milli second to think about what he should be doing! That cross was too long in the air for him That simple pass he should have played for Campbell was too long around his feet. If he has to think about it he picks the wrong option or fluffs his lines. I agree we do get some returns for his pressing, but its not enough long term. I think he is a player's player and a manager's delight(and frustration at times). When you watch him live you can see how valuable he is in the current setup. He had 4 goal scoring opportunities on Saturday, 3 really good ones of which I can just about forgive him for 2 of them because he hit the target and did ok, the header though he has just tried to get a firm hit on it and hope it goes either side of the keeper(been there myself), but he has to be more aware of where the keeper is when he is that close on goal and choose a side. That said it is an art form getting into goal-scoring positions one of which he is excellent at and why he is the only player for a while to get into double figures for us, he also laid on a lovely ball for Smallbone who should have done better with that finish. His pass to Campbell probably sums up everything that is great about him and utterly frustrating at the same time, a great run from inside his own half everything was done brilliantly, great energy, and then the pass is a bit short. He was at the heart of almost every nearly moment for us on Saturday and for me a hard player to leave out because of that - at the moment. Bit more composure at key points and if he bulks up a bit and learns to hold up the ball a bit better he might yet be a good player for us, still not peaked - but I can understand the Marmite analogy he does seem to be a player that our fans are totally split on. I do think if you go to the games regularly and have played a lot of nogger yourself then you are more likely to appreciate his efforts - but the armchair fans are going to gun for him when they see him missing chances on the highlights
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Post by george2again on Mar 22, 2023 6:55:27 GMT
Easy, a lot of his goals were scored when there was no pressure on us. Strikers essentially are there to score or alternatively create a lot of goals, he does neither. Not quite sure what you mean by that? In the 13 league games he scored in last season we won or drew 12 of them, the only goal he scored in defeat was the 2-1 defeat at Sheff Utd when he scored (an excellent strike I might add) to give us the lead........ Scored a few when we had nothing to play for, no chance of going down. Everyone loosens off then and relaxes. Got to perform when pressure is on. We’ve had the ‘ he will get better and learn’ bollacks but those with talent can over time those who don’t rarley do and Brown 100% falls in the latter. He’s a squad player at best. Brown as a starter severely impedes any hope of us being a threat to the top 6.
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Post by hotpot on Mar 22, 2023 7:23:17 GMT
Scotland picked him. How much is he worth?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 22, 2023 7:35:27 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by that? In the 13 league games he scored in last season we won or drew 12 of them, the only goal he scored in defeat was the 2-1 defeat at Sheff Utd when he scored (an excellent strike I might add) to give us the lead........ Scored a few when we had nothing to play for, no chance of going down. Everyone loosens off then and relaxes. Got to perform when pressure is on. We’ve had the ‘ he will get better and learn’ bollacks but those with talent can over time those who don’t rarley do and Brown 100% falls in the latter. He’s a squad player at best. Brown as a starter severely impedes any hope of us being a threat to the top 6. I’ve said several times we need better. But to say he scored his goals because there was no pressure is nonsense…..
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 22, 2023 8:01:12 GMT
He’s done well to get as far as he has in career in fairness, his athleticism and work rate is what has got him to this level rather than his limited footballing ability.
Ultimately we should be looking to replace him with some who can both press and play football to the point where plays don’t constantly break down because of them.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 22, 2023 8:06:54 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by that? In the 13 league games he scored in last season we won or drew 12 of them, the only goal he scored in defeat was the 2-1 defeat at Sheff Utd when he scored (an excellent strike I might add) to give us the lead........ Scored a few when we had nothing to play for, no chance of going down. Everyone loosens off then and relaxes. Got to perform when pressure is on. We’ve had the ‘ he will get better and learn’ bollacks but those with talent can over time those who don’t rarley do and Brown 100% falls in the latter. He’s a squad player at best. Brown as a starter severely impedes any hope of us being a threat to the top 6. He scored 8 of his 13 goals up to the first week of Feb, after which we were 5pts off the playoffs. Then the other 5 came in the remaining 17 games. Presumably by your measure the pressure was off from about August? I’ve never read so much shite, and there’s stiff competition on here.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 22, 2023 14:32:24 GMT
Pity his skills don't match his stamina.
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Post by liathroid on Mar 30, 2023 10:24:21 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 30, 2023 10:31:11 GMT
This could have been the surprise move that Neil mentioned early in the transfer window? He mentioned a potential outgoing player which might surprise a few of the supporters.
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 30, 2023 10:49:40 GMT
Every time I see the title in my head I sing it to 'Knees up Mother Brown.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 30, 2023 10:56:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 11:00:14 GMT
Delap went too so we would have definitely needed a replacement. You'd have to think that was the biggest issue.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 30, 2023 11:06:15 GMT
Delap went too so we would have definitely needed a replacement. You'd have to think that was the biggest issue. Yeah - maybe if Dykes wouldn't have got pneumonia late in the window it could have happened?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 11:10:38 GMT
Delap went too so we would have definitely needed a replacement. You'd have to think that was the biggest issue. Yeah - maybe if Dykes wouldn't have got pneumonia late in the window it could have happened? Possibly. I'm not sure where AN stands with Brown. I don't think he's overly convinced with him but with his energy he clearly has a use in the squad. From the bench I think he'd be proper useful. But I still think he's stuck out like a sore thumb in a negative way this last 6 weeks.
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 30, 2023 11:21:48 GMT
Yeah - maybe if Dykes wouldn't have got pneumonia late in the window it could have happened? Possibly. I'm not sure where AN stands with Brown. I don't think he's overly convinced with him but with his energy he clearly has a use in the squad. From the bench I think he'd be proper useful. But I still think he's stuck out like a sore thumb in a negative way this last 6 weeks. He'll be a squad player next season, able to play in a number of positions but when everyone's fit you'd imagine he won't be starting too many.
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2023 12:48:08 GMT
Possibly. I'm not sure where AN stands with Brown. I don't think he's overly convinced with him but with his energy he clearly has a use in the squad. From the bench I think he'd be proper useful. But I still think he's stuck out like a sore thumb in a negative way this last 6 weeks. He'll be a squad player next season, able to play in a number of positions but when everyone's fit you'd imagine he won't be starting too many. possibly depends on who the striker we sign is as we can all see Brown, Gayle, Campbell any of them would benefit from having a good target man next to them away from home especially can see Brown starting
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 30, 2023 16:21:22 GMT
Brown is perfect for a high pressing game, but I really wish he was better on the ball.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 16:34:23 GMT
Our top scorer from last season, isnt scoring now we are scoring plenty.
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Post by 1972stokey on Apr 1, 2023 14:11:07 GMT
Well done Jacob Brown give those haters something to reflect on
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