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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 1, 2023 16:18:06 GMT
I don't quite get the 'he's one of our own' chant He's not from Stoke is he? He's got no Potteries dialect in his accent. I guess it because he's come through our Academy? Seems a nice lad though. Credit to the manager in showing faith in him. He’s been at the club since he was 10 🤣 Yeah but other than that what makes him one of our own?? 😉 |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 1, 2023 16:23:43 GMT
Lowe should be ahead of Gayle and Wesley. Just a shame Tezgel is injured as he and Lowe could share the 90 minutes between them. He has only just turned 18 though, is starting him in a team seemingly still in the moulding stages ideal. He's got plenty of time to progress, he literally only just started getting minutes Oh no you're right mate let's just stick with Wesley and Gayle who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 1, 2023 16:29:06 GMT
Who remembers the Adam Rooney hattrick against Brighton nowadays. I do obviously. I remember that like it was yesterday. Not because of the hat trick as such but because my dad had spent a small fortune on a hot dog and before he had taken a bite Rooney scored and he dropped it under the seat. We still joke that it will still be there now 😅 |
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 1, 2023 20:47:07 GMT
His post match interview would indicate that Neil isn't so anti youth as many make out?. He speaks highly of the culture at the club?. Most of the shit people spout on the internet isn't true to be fair |
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Post by stokest5 on Oct 1, 2023 21:44:25 GMT
Who remembers the Adam Rooney hattrick against Brighton nowadays. I do obviously. I remember that like it was yesterday. Not because of the hat trick as such but because my dad had spent a small fortune on a hot dog and before he had taken a bite Rooney scored and he dropped it under the seat. We still joke that it will still be there now 😅 Was that last game of the season at Brightons old ground? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 6:29:34 GMT
He has only just turned 18 though, is starting him in a team seemingly still in the moulding stages ideal. He's got plenty of time to progress, he literally only just started getting minutes Oh no you're right mate let's just stick with Wesley and Gayle who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. The boy has scored 1 goal and now he's Harry Kane then? Tyrese Campbell had a great youth record but he wasn't just thrown straight into it head first as our number 1 striker. It's a massive jump in standard, he could lose all confidence playing every game. He needs to be integrated slowly and he needs to take his chances when they come |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 6:49:07 GMT
Oh no you're right mate let's just stick with Wesley and Gayle who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. The boy has scored 1 goal and now he's Harry Kane then? Tyrese Campbell had a great youth record but he wasn't just thrown straight into it head first as our number 1 striker. It's a massive jump in standard, he could lose all confidence playing every game. He needs to be integrated slowly and he needs to take his chances when they come This all depends on how good he is. After watching his cameo on Saturday (which is all I have to go on), it looks to me like he definitely isn't 100% ready to be a regular starter for us and will need blooding in like most youngsters do. Great problem to have though  |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 2, 2023 6:51:10 GMT
I remember that like it was yesterday. Not because of the hat trick as such but because my dad had spent a small fortune on a hot dog and before he had taken a bite Rooney scored and he dropped it under the seat. We still joke that it will still be there now 😅 Was that last game of the season at Brightons old ground? I was sat right behind Rooney’s parents at that game and had a chat with them. The ground was the Withdean Stadium, used for Athletics as opposed to their proper old ground the Goldstone. |
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Post by wonderwall on Oct 2, 2023 6:54:45 GMT
He’s been at the club since he was 10 🤣 Yeah but other than that what makes him one of our own?? 😉 Take a day off |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 7:02:08 GMT
Oh no you're right mate let's just stick with Wesley and Gayle who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. The boy has scored 1 goal and now he's Harry Kane then? Tyrese Campbell had a great youth record but he wasn't just thrown straight into it head first as our number 1 striker. It's a massive jump in standard, he could lose all confidence playing every game. He needs to be integrated slowly and he needs to take his chances when they come I don’t think anyone is saying that. What he is though is clearly a better option than Gayle. And could be more use than Wesley. And at the minute that’s alls he needs to be. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 7:17:26 GMT
The boy has scored 1 goal and now he's Harry Kane then? Tyrese Campbell had a great youth record but he wasn't just thrown straight into it head first as our number 1 striker. It's a massive jump in standard, he could lose all confidence playing every game. He needs to be integrated slowly and he needs to take his chances when they come I don’t think anyone is saying that. What he is though is clearly a better option than Gayle. And could be more use than Wesley. And at the minute that’s alls he needs to be. I got the impression Lowe should be starting. Ahead of Gayle as a sub, maybe yes, at the moment. Not ahead of Wesley at the moment, he needs to come on for the remainder of games for a fair few games you can't just chuck him in from the start and expect miracles from an 18 year old, he's not played any league football. I get the impression Gayle is done myself but have we seen him in a functional team with decent wingers and number 10 behind him in a 4231, the answer is No, until he's actually failed there he can't be written of 100%, he's only 31. His link up play has been fairly good even if he cant put a foot on the ball when it mattered. I'd happily see Gayle's contract cancelled for January but in the meantime he's an experienced goalscorer and as crazy at it might sound I'd like to see what he could offer at the tip of a 4231 with decent players creating chances because he can do the link up stuff, does he just need that goal and a confidence boost? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 7:19:18 GMT
I don’t think anyone is saying that. What he is though is clearly a better option than Gayle. And could be more use than Wesley. And at the minute that’s alls he needs to be. I got the impression Lowe should be starting. Ahead of Gayle as a sub, maybe yes, at the moment. Not ahead of Wesley at the moment, he needs to come on for the remainder of games for a fair few games you can't just chuck him in from the start and expect miracles from an 18 year old, he's not played any league football. I get the impression Gayle is done myself but have we seen him in a functional team with decent wingers and number 10 behind him in a 4231, the answer is No, until he's actually failed there he can't be written of 100%, he's only 31. His link up play has been fairly good even if he cant put a goot on the ball when it mattered. I'd happily see Gayle's contract cancelled for January but in the meantime he's an experienced goalscorer and as crazy at it might sound I'd like to see what he could offer at the tip of a 4231 with decent players creating chances No one is expecting miracles. Gayle is toast, forget about him. He’d have been offside for the goal on Saturday or not there. Why any Stoke fan has time for him is beyond me. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 7:21:25 GMT
I got the impression Lowe should be starting. Ahead of Gayle as a sub, maybe yes, at the moment. Not ahead of Wesley at the moment, he needs to come on for the remainder of games for a fair few games you can't just chuck him in from the start and expect miracles from an 18 year old, he's not played any league football. I get the impression Gayle is done myself but have we seen him in a functional team with decent wingers and number 10 behind him in a 4231, the answer is No, until he's actually failed there he can't be written of 100%, he's only 31. His link up play has been fairly good even if he cant put a goot on the ball when it mattered. I'd happily see Gayle's contract cancelled for January but in the meantime he's an experienced goalscorer and as crazy at it might sound I'd like to see what he could offer at the tip of a 4231 with decent players creating chances No one is expecting miracles. Gayle is toast, forget about him. He’d have been offside for the goal on Saturday or not there. Why any Stoke fan has time for him is beyond me. I think it's probably because he's scored loads of goals in this division and played for premier league clubs. Fact remains he hasn't had a run with these players at CF in an attacking line up |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 7:26:34 GMT
No one is expecting miracles. Gayle is toast, forget about him. He’d have been offside for the goal on Saturday or not there. Why any Stoke fan has time for him is beyond me. I think it's probably because he's scored loads of goals in this division and played for premier league clubs. Fact remains he hasn't had a run with these players at CF in an attacking line up Who cares? For us he’s looked awful. He should never play for us again. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 7:28:18 GMT
I think it's probably because he's scored loads of goals in this division and played for premier league clubs. Fact remains he hasn't had a run with these players at CF in an attacking line up Who cares? For us he’s looked awful. He should never play for us again. He's looked awful in an awful team. I think with these players (if he's interested) he has to be given a chance to fail if the need arises |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 7:30:12 GMT
Who cares? For us he’s looked awful. He should never play for us again. He's looked awful in an awful team. I think with these players (if he's interested) he has to be given a chance to fail if the need arises Nah bollocks to him. Wesley, Mmae and Campbell are all better senior players. And Lowe and Tezgel need the game time from the bench over him if fit. Bar desperation there’s no need for Gayle to be here. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 7:36:11 GMT
He's looked awful in an awful team. I think with these players (if he's interested) he has to be given a chance to fail if the need arises Nah bollocks to him. Wesley, Mmae and Campbell are all better senior players. And Lowe and Tezgel need the game time from the bench over him if fit. Bar desperation there’s no need for Gayle to be here. That's great when they're all fit, but they're not are they |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 7:36:46 GMT
Nah bollocks to him. Wesley, Mmae and Campbell are all better senior players. And Lowe and Tezgel need the game time from the bench over him if fit. Bar desperation there’s no need for Gayle to be here. That's great when they're all fit, but they're not are they They aren’t but even now he’s not needed on the bench. |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Oct 2, 2023 7:38:39 GMT
Lowe has definitely looked capable from the bench. Proper poachers goal too, sniffed it out instinctively. Agree he should be ahead of Gayle in the pecking order.
I do think this thread has highlighted that Wesley is massively underrated though. He's not perfect but he offers us something nobody else does, and seems to know what he is. We look better with him on the pitch IMO.
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Post by pavel on Oct 2, 2023 7:45:32 GMT
That we’re even discussing Gayle starting or coming on as a sub is surreal with his record here. He’s well and truly gone and brings very little to the team. Another one we bought on reputation and “he scored in this division”. Shame we bought him 5 years too late.
We need to look to the future even with the few options we have due to injuries.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 2, 2023 7:59:54 GMT
Yeah but other than that what makes him one of our own?? 😉 Take a day off Nah you're ok mate I'm in again today 👍 |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 8:01:27 GMT
The boy has scored 1 goal and now he's Harry Kane then? Tyrese Campbell had a great youth record but he wasn't just thrown straight into it head first as our number 1 striker. It's a massive jump in standard, he could lose all confidence playing every game. He needs to be integrated slowly and he needs to take his chances when they come This all depends on how good he is. After watching his cameo on Saturday (which is all I have to go on), it looks to me like he definitely isn't 100% ready to be a regular starter for us and will need blooding in like most youngsters do. Great problem to have though My thoughts entirely, thank you |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 2, 2023 8:03:51 GMT
Oh no you're right mate let's just stick with Wesley and Gayle who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. The boy has scored 1 goal and now he's Harry Kane then? Tyrese Campbell had a great youth record but he wasn't just thrown straight into it head first as our number 1 striker. It's a massive jump in standard, he could lose all confidence playing every game. He needs to be integrated slowly and he needs to take his chances when they come Who mentioned he was the next Harry Kane? At the minute he is a striker who has actually scored so is the best option. The alternative is stick with Gayle or Wesley who don't look like scoring in a month of Sundays mate. He probably isn't ready for ninety minutes every week but give him a few starts and if it's not working quite yet then what exactly have we lost by trying. At least the lad is going to work his bollocks off and he actually knows where the net is which is more than the two mentioned offer. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 2, 2023 8:07:11 GMT
I remember that like it was yesterday. Not because of the hat trick as such but because my dad had spent a small fortune on a hot dog and before he had taken a bite Rooney scored and he dropped it under the seat. We still joke that it will still be there now 😅 Was that last game of the season at Brightons old ground? It was mate yeah 👍 |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 8:09:18 GMT
The boy has scored 1 goal and now he's Harry Kane then? Tyrese Campbell had a great youth record but he wasn't just thrown straight into it head first as our number 1 striker. It's a massive jump in standard, he could lose all confidence playing every game. He needs to be integrated slowly and he needs to take his chances when they come Who mentioned he was the next Harry Kane? At the minute he is a striker who has actually scored so is the best option. The alternative is stick with Gayle or Wesley who don't look like scoring in a month of Sundays mate. He probably isn't ready for ninety minutes every week but give him a few starts and if it's not working quite yet then what exactly have we lost by trying. At least the lad is going to work his bollocks off and he actually knows where the net is which is more than the two mentioned offer. Dwight Gayle is 'the' only striker we currently have on the books that has consistently scored goals, I'm as disappointed as the next man of his input since signing for Stoke but then we havnt seen him given a chance with these players either side and behind with him as a main striker, have we? I'm not pro Dwight gayle is the answer to all our prayers as I've said I'd be doing my all to pull in Bruno Petkovic in January, I've even said on this very board I'd be trying to come to an agreement with Gayle to cancel his contract but in the meantime, is he worthy of one last opportunity as a CF with these better players around him? That's the debate. If he'd done nothing on his career it wouldn't be a debate but he has |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 2, 2023 8:16:25 GMT
Who mentioned he was the next Harry Kane? At the minute he is a striker who has actually scored so is the best option. The alternative is stick with Gayle or Wesley who don't look like scoring in a month of Sundays mate. He probably isn't ready for ninety minutes every week but give him a few starts and if it's not working quite yet then what exactly have we lost by trying. At least the lad is going to work his bollocks off and he actually knows where the net is which is more than the two mentioned offer. Dwight Gayle is 'the' only striker we currently have on the books that has consistently scored goals, I'm as disappointed as the next man of his input since signing for Stoke but then we havnt seen him given a chance with these players either side and behind with him as a main striker, have we? I'm not pro Dwight gayle is the answer to all our prayers as I've said I'd be doing my all to pull in Bruno Petkovic in January, I've even said on this very board I'd be trying to come to an agreement with Gayle to cancel his contract but in the meantime, is he worthy of one last opportunity as a CF with these better players around him? That's the debate. If he'd done nothing on his career it wouldn't be a debate but he has He's had plenty of chances mate. He used to be a good striker but he's far from it anymore. The bloke is finished, certainly at this level and I'd argue he would be finished at a lower level aswell. He has nothing to offer as a striker in this league. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 8:17:47 GMT
Dwight Gayle is 'the' only striker we currently have on the books that has consistently scored goals, I'm as disappointed as the next man of his input since signing for Stoke but then we havnt seen him given a chance with these players either side and behind with him as a main striker, have we? I'm not pro Dwight gayle is the answer to all our prayers as I've said I'd be doing my all to pull in Bruno Petkovic in January, I've even said on this very board I'd be trying to come to an agreement with Gayle to cancel his contract but in the meantime, is he worthy of one last opportunity as a CF with these better players around him? That's the debate. If he'd done nothing on his career it wouldn't be a debate but he has He's had plenty of chances mate. He used to be a good striker but he's far from it anymore. The bloke is finished, certainly at this level and I'd argue he would be finished at a lower level aswell. He has nothing to offer as a striker in this league. I can't say I disagree but when you consider what he was playing with last season compared to this one, it's a whole different team. A 31 year old goal scorer should be given a chance to fail in his prime position with decent players around him like we have now |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 2, 2023 8:21:45 GMT
The boy has scored 1 goal and now he's Harry Kane then? Tyrese Campbell had a great youth record but he wasn't just thrown straight into it head first as our number 1 striker. It's a massive jump in standard, he could lose all confidence playing every game. He needs to be integrated slowly and he needs to take his chances when they come Who mentioned he was the next Harry Kane? At the minute he is a striker who has actually scored so is the best option. The alternative is stick with Gayle or Wesley who don't look like scoring in a month of Sundays mate. He probably isn't ready for ninety minutes every week but give him a few starts and if it's not working quite yet then what exactly have we lost by trying. At least the lad is going to work his bollocks off and he actually knows where the net is which is more than the two mentioned offer. Scoring isn't the be all and end all of being a striker especially these days with the emphasis on attacking and defending as a team. He looked like a poacher, no doubt but he looked way off in other aspects which he will learn about both playing and watching Wesley from the bench. Wesley works far harder than he is given credit for often knocking the ball down then chasing it because no other player is near him. He takes a lot of physical abuse from defenders but stand strong against them. With the injuries we have there is no doubt he is our best choice to start. Let Lowe grab his minutes and learn how to handle experienced defenders, how to get to headers first and how to defend from the front. So far he has only shown his ability against defenders just as inexperienced as him. EDIT I don't even know why we are talking about Gayle, it is pretty obvious that Lowe has already overtaken him. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 8:35:54 GMT
Turning our nose up at goals. Wonderful  |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 2, 2023 8:39:59 GMT
Who mentioned he was the next Harry Kane? At the minute he is a striker who has actually scored so is the best option. The alternative is stick with Gayle or Wesley who don't look like scoring in a month of Sundays mate. He probably isn't ready for ninety minutes every week but give him a few starts and if it's not working quite yet then what exactly have we lost by trying. At least the lad is going to work his bollocks off and he actually knows where the net is which is more than the two mentioned offer. Dwight Gayle is 'the' only striker we currently have on the books that has consistently scored goals, I'm as disappointed as the next man of his input since signing for Stoke but then we havnt seen him given a chance with these players either side and behind with him as a main striker, have we? I'm not pro Dwight gayle is the answer to all our prayers as I've said I'd be doing my all to pull in Bruno Petkovic in January, I've even said on this very board I'd be trying to come to an agreement with Gayle to cancel his contract but in the meantime, is he worthy of one last opportunity as a CF with these better players around him? That's the debate. If he'd done nothing on his career it wouldn't be a debate but he has He has scored 8 in his last 90 appearances and has already missed an absolute sitter this season and a bag full of decent chances last year. One of the reasons we were a poor side is because he was playing. He hasn't got into double figures for 5 seasons. The odd Hail Mary cameo maybe but he shouldn't be a regular in the match day squad when everyone is fit |
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