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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 8:44:29 GMT
Turning our nose up at goals. Wonderful  Oh the irony, I think we all know its not just about goals for a striker but what have you seen in Lowes general play that makes it easier for team mates to score more, because this is the idea of Wesley? But to further your point on turning your nose up at goals... Dwight Gayle has made 343 appearances in his career, he's scored 124 goals, that's an average of 1 goal every 2.7 games throughout his career. At 31 It would be foolish to not at least try him with these new players as the single striker with 2 decent wingers and and a number 10 behind him because we won't be getting any striker with a better goals to games ratio than that, that's for certain |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 8:51:18 GMT
And now just like that over night he's useless because he come into a Stoke team put together by a bunch of chancers. I've got to say I don't think he was the problem, it highlights just how bad and unbalanced that team actually was, for me
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 9:00:44 GMT
Turning our nose up at goals. Wonderful Oh the irony, I think we all know its not just about goals for a striker but what have you seen in Lowes general play that makes it easier for team mates to score more, because this is the idea of Wesley? But to further your point on turning your nose up at goals... Dwight Gayle has made 343 appearances in his career, he's scored 124 goals, that's an average of 1 goal every 2.7 games throughout his career. At 31 It would be foolish to not at least try him with these new players as the single striker with 2 decent wingers and and a number 10 behind him because we won't be getting any striker with a better goals to games ratio than that, that's for certain Judge Gayle in a Stoke shirt. He’s been shite. Stop it. Lowe also played a massive part in the build up of the goal on Saturday too. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 9:01:39 GMT
Oh the irony, I think we all know its not just about goals for a striker but what have you seen in Lowes general play that makes it easier for team mates to score more, because this is the idea of Wesley? But to further your point on turning your nose up at goals... Dwight Gayle has made 343 appearances in his career, he's scored 124 goals, that's an average of 1 goal every 2.7 games throughout his career. At 31 It would be foolish to not at least try him with these new players as the single striker with 2 decent wingers and and a number 10 behind him because we won't be getting any striker with a better goals to games ratio than that, that's for certain Judge Gayle in a Stoke shirt. He’s been shite. Stop it. Lowe also played a massive part in the build up of the goal on Saturday too. He's played shite in a shite team in a Stoke shirt, often played out of position. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 2, 2023 9:07:44 GMT
I don’t think anyone is saying that. What he is though is clearly a better option than Gayle. And could be more use than Wesley. And at the minute that’s alls he needs to be. I got the impression Lowe should be starting. Ahead of Gayle as a sub, maybe yes, at the moment. Not ahead of Wesley at the moment, he needs to come on for the remainder of games for a fair few games you can't just chuck him in from the start and expect miracles from an 18 year old, he's not played any league football. I get the impression Gayle is done myself but have we seen him in a functional team with decent wingers and number 10 behind him in a 4231, the answer is No, until he's actually failed there he can't be written of 100%, he's only 31. His link up play has been fairly good even if he cant put a foot on the ball when it mattered. I'd happily see Gayle's contract cancelled for January but in the meantime he's an experienced goalscorer and as crazy at it might sound I'd like to see what he could offer at the tip of a 4231 with decent players creating chances because he can do the link up stuff, does he just need that goal and a confidence boost? Gayle is absolutely done at any level that requires you to move more than 5mph. He is the oldest 32 year old I have ever seen in my life. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 9:13:48 GMT
I got the impression Lowe should be starting. Ahead of Gayle as a sub, maybe yes, at the moment. Not ahead of Wesley at the moment, he needs to come on for the remainder of games for a fair few games you can't just chuck him in from the start and expect miracles from an 18 year old, he's not played any league football. I get the impression Gayle is done myself but have we seen him in a functional team with decent wingers and number 10 behind him in a 4231, the answer is No, until he's actually failed there he can't be written of 100%, he's only 31. His link up play has been fairly good even if he cant put a foot on the ball when it mattered. I'd happily see Gayle's contract cancelled for January but in the meantime he's an experienced goalscorer and as crazy at it might sound I'd like to see what he could offer at the tip of a 4231 with decent players creating chances because he can do the link up stuff, does he just need that goal and a confidence boost? Gayle is absolutely done at any level that requires you to move more than 5mph. He is the oldest 32 year old I have ever seen in my life. I'm not impressed myself, but I've not seen him playing in the penalty area with these players creating chances yet, one thing he has done well is his link up play which is basically what Wesley is doing. Wesley isn't pulling high balls down, they're playing to his feet and Gayles are the same height of the floor as Wesley's and Wes is no Usain bolt either |
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Post by Boothenpotter89 on Oct 2, 2023 9:25:14 GMT
Let’s not put pressure on the lad.
For me I thought he did ‘ok’ sat. Other than the goal he wasn’t in the game …. BUT he’s there to score and he did that.
He just needs to be introduced in games with few mins here and there and in cups. It’s positive Neil gave him the minutes he did rather than turning to Gayle etc.
Overall he’s a good prospect and option but he’s nowhere near a starter just yet.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 9:44:45 GMT
There's no pressure is there?
We think Gayle is shit on the whole.
We think Wesley is ok at best.
There's no pressure there I don't think?
For the goal he occupies 2 defenders for long ball and then carries the run on to finish. He did really well in all aspects of striking there.
So other than the goal doesn't cut it imo.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Oct 2, 2023 9:47:27 GMT
Judge Gayle in a Stoke shirt. He’s been shite. Stop it. Lowe also played a massive part in the build up of the goal on Saturday too. He's played shite in a shite team in a Stoke shirt, often played out of position. When he’s come on as a sub he’s done nothing. The 3 clear cut chances that spring to mind in albeit his limited appearances were all centre of goal right in front. One he put wide. One he miss kicked One he hit air when it was easier to hit the ball… He’s just not a prolific goal scorer anymore. He’s good in the build up play and has intelligence you can see that. But we have other players for that now. We need a striker that scores goals. Lowe in less minutes has managed to get in a better positions and score. If you were to judge it on this season alone he merits a chance above gayle based on 50 minutes of game time |
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Post by innercitysumo on Oct 2, 2023 9:49:04 GMT
Yeah but other than that what makes him one of our own?? 😉 Take a day off Woooooossshhh |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 10:02:16 GMT
He's played shite in a shite team in a Stoke shirt, often played out of position. When he’s come on as a sub he’s done nothing. The 3 clear cut chances that spring to mind in albeit his limited appearances were all centre of goal right in front. One he put wide. One he miss kicked One he hit air when it was easier to hit the ball… He’s just not a prolific goal scorer anymore. He’s good in the build up play and has intelligence you can see that. But we have other players for that now. We need a striker that scores goals. Lowe in less minutes has managed to get in a better positions and score. If you were to judge it on this season alone he merits a chance above gayle based on 50 minutes of game time You might be right. Doesn't it make you wonder though what DG might do as CF with vidigal one side, hak/Leris right with Johnson or Junho behind him in 4231. If it wasn't for his overall career goals to games ratio and his intelligence and link play I'd be fully agreeing. It's hard to completely write a player off with the goalscoring record he has. A 1 in 7 player yeah, but a 1 in 2.7 is a ridiculous record |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 2, 2023 12:41:18 GMT
It’s great to see Lowe get his goal, but until his injury, Tezgel was further forward in First Team plans and his own development so when he’s fit again it’ll be interesting who doesn’t make the bench.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 12:44:01 GMT
It’s great to see Lowe get his goal, but until his injury, Tezgel was further forward in First Team plans and his own development so when he’s fit again it’ll be interesting who doesn’t make the bench. Tezgel is better so you'd hope that would play out. But it depends on a lot of things so it'd be interesting. In the medium term we need to find a way of using both of them. I think both could be sold for 20m+ each if things go right. But that's a massive if. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2023 12:50:52 GMT
I was stood next to him, as I've posted before, at an u17's game last season.
I was listening to him talk to his mates and he's a super confident lad. He said then that he'd score at least 10 goals if he was with the first team. His mates were laughing at him and taking the piss but he was super confident about it.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 2, 2023 12:51:22 GMT
That’s one of your biggest ever ‘if’s’ Bayern! Tezgel looks like a classy player with good finishing. He’s not the quickest but he’d be great playing off someone like Lowe if that’s how it pans out. However, we’re a long way off that. Is Emre 18 yet? How far away is he in terms of fitness?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 13:13:42 GMT
That’s one of your biggest ever ‘if’s’ Bayern! Tezgel looks like a classy player with good finishing. He’s not the quickest but he’d be great playing off someone like Lowe if that’s how it pans out. However, we’re a long way off that. Is Emre 18 yet? How far away is he in terms of fitness? It’s an absolute massive if but both have the quality to be Premier League players if everything goes right. And if that happens with their position, nationality and age then we should be quids in. No idea re his injury. But that’s something with him that makes it an even bigger if, which is a massive shame. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 2, 2023 13:39:28 GMT
That’s one of your biggest ever ‘if’s’ Bayern! Tezgel looks like a classy player with good finishing. He’s not the quickest but he’d be great playing off someone like Lowe if that’s how it pans out. However, we’re a long way off that. Is Emre 18 yet? How far away is he in terms of fitness? It’s an absolute massive if but both have the quality to be Premier League players if everything goes right. And if that happens with their position, nationality and age then we should be quids in. No idea re his injury. But that’s something with him that makes it an even bigger if, which is a massive shame. Love your enthusiasm and belief but to say they are both premier league quality is just nonsense (a bit like it was with Verlinden). They both need to be introduced slowly, keep the pressure off them, and time will tell. Neither of these lads had produced consistently enough at senior level for us or anyone else to really know how far they can go. Right now they have potential - how much of it, it remains to be seen |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2023 13:42:45 GMT
That’s one of your biggest ever ‘if’s’ Bayern! Tezgel looks like a classy player with good finishing. He’s not the quickest but he’d be great playing off someone like Lowe if that’s how it pans out. However, we’re a long way off that. Is Emre 18 yet? How far away is he in terms of fitness? I'll be very interested to see what Tezgel morphs into as he gets older. He's obviously very highly rated at youth levels but my early observations would be that his lack of pace/explosiveness is likely to be the key factor in whether he fulfils his potential or not. |
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Post by TinkerT on Oct 2, 2023 13:46:37 GMT
That’s one of your biggest ever ‘if’s’ Bayern! Tezgel looks like a classy player with good finishing. He’s not the quickest but he’d be great playing off someone like Lowe if that’s how it pans out. However, we’re a long way off that. Is Emre 18 yet? How far away is he in terms of fitness? I'll be very interested to see what Tezgel morphs into as he gets older. He's obviously very highly rated at youth levels but my early observations would be that his lack of pace/explosiveness is likely to be the key factor in whether he fulfils his potential or not. I've thought he looks slow myself so he's got some work tezgel has, I'd say lowe looks more developed and had more pace so suits us better at the moment, he also doesn't stop running so is a different option upfront. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 2, 2023 14:22:19 GMT
I was stood next to him, as I've posted before, at an u17's game last season. I was listening to him talk to his mates and he's a super confident lad. He said then that he'd score at least 10 goals if he was with the first team. His mates were laughing at him and taking the piss but he was super confident about it. You on about Bayern or Lowe? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 14:30:46 GMT
I was stood next to him, as I've posted before, at an u17's game last season. I was listening to him talk to his mates and he's a super confident lad. He said then that he'd score at least 10 goals if he was with the first team. His mates were laughing at him and taking the piss but he was super confident about it. You on about Bayern or Lowe? "But Bayern doesn't have any mates" Oh how we all laughed at this new and innovative joke.  |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 2, 2023 14:39:30 GMT
You on about Bayern or Lowe? "But Bayern doesn't have any mates" Oh how we all laughed at this new and innovative joke. Touchy. I was on about your footballing ability and self confidence. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2023 14:44:22 GMT
"But Bayern doesn't have any mates" Oh how we all laughed at this new and innovative joke. Touchy. I was on about your footballing ability and self confidence. I know and not touchy at all. Just getting there before someone else does because I am awesome like that.... |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 2, 2023 14:54:55 GMT
Turning our nose up at goals. Wonderful Oh the irony, I think we all know its not just about goals for a striker but what have you seen in Lowes general play that makes it easier for team mates to score more, because this is the idea of Wesley? But to further your point on turning your nose up at goals... Dwight Gayle has made 343 appearances in his career, he's scored 124 goals, that's an average of 1 goal every 2.7 games throughout his career. At 31 It would be foolish to not at least try him with these new players as the single striker with 2 decent wingers and and a number 10 behind him because we won't be getting any striker with a better goals to games ratio than that, that's for certain It would be foolish to not give Gayle a go? You cannot be serious with those words. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 16:57:28 GMT
Oh the irony, I think we all know its not just about goals for a striker but what have you seen in Lowes general play that makes it easier for team mates to score more, because this is the idea of Wesley? But to further your point on turning your nose up at goals... Dwight Gayle has made 343 appearances in his career, he's scored 124 goals, that's an average of 1 goal every 2.7 games throughout his career. At 31 It would be foolish to not at least try him with these new players as the single striker with 2 decent wingers and and a number 10 behind him because we won't be getting any striker with a better goals to games ratio than that, that's for certain It would be foolish to not give Gayle a go? You cannot be serious with those words. Last season he showed that he has an all-round game, intelligence and decent link up play. When was the last time you saw him CF with two decent wingers either side and a number 10 behind. His confidence is probably shot when he's used to scoring goals. You can't deny we were not ship shape last season, more shit shape. Maybe, and it is a Maybe, he needs the confidence of his manager to tell him he's playing centre forward because he's a proven goalscorer, Roy of the Rovers stuff I know but until I've seen him fail with these players, intelligent players, around him supplying him in his favoured position I reserve the right to be unsure if he is indeed, finished. He could be the striker we're looking for right yhere under our noses. Same with Neil, you can't judge him on last seasons shambles. I just think it's daft not trying it given his career record and the players we have out. Fails then we do get rid don't we. You watch, we'll loan him out in January to somewhere that plays him cf as the main man and he'll start scoring goals, we'll look a right bunch of tits loaning a player out with a 1 in 2.7 game ratio |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 2, 2023 17:42:32 GMT
It would be foolish to not give Gayle a go? You cannot be serious with those words. Last season he showed that he has an all-round game, intelligence and decent link up play. When was the last time you saw him CF with two decent wingers either side and a number 10 behind. His confidence is probably shot when he's used to scoring goals. You can't deny we were not ship shape last season, more shit shape. Maybe, and it is a Maybe, he needs the confidence of his manager to tell him he's playing centre forward because he's a proven goalscorer, Roy of the Rovers stuff I know but until I've seen him fail with these players, intelligent players, around him supplying him in his favoured position I reserve the right to be unsure if he is indeed, finished. He could be the striker we're looking for right yhere under our noses. Same with Neil, you can't judge him on last seasons shambles. I just think it's daft not trying it given his career record and the players we have out. Fails then we do get rid don't we. You watch, we'll loan him out in January to somewhere that plays him cf as the main man and he'll start scoring goals, we'll look a right bunch of tits loaning a player out with a 1 in 2.7 game ratio His pace has gone and he’s tiny. Not laid a glove on anyone in a Stoke shirt. It’s not even a discussion and if it was Alex Neil would be playing him. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 2, 2023 17:52:48 GMT
I thought his movement and occupying the spaces was pretty good, he’s definitely a natural striker. Obviously raw but great we have a confident young lad on the bench and who knows he could well be this seasons “Johnny on the spot”. Something we haven’t had for years
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2023 22:17:42 GMT
I was stood next to him, as I've posted before, at an u17's game last season. I was listening to him talk to his mates and he's a super confident lad. He said then that he'd score at least 10 goals if he was with the first team. His mates were laughing at him and taking the piss but he was super confident about it. You on about Bayern or Lowe? Lowe! |
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 3, 2023 2:18:03 GMT
I still need to see some more of him but his size and finishing seem destined for the championship.
Add in tezgels intelligence and quality and we should have the next 10 years of strikers on our hands.
Campbell, Lowe and Tezgel are all excellent footballers and imo would should become a far more attacking outfit
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 3, 2023 8:13:10 GMT
Turning our nose up at goals. Wonderful Oh the irony, I think we all know its not just about goals for a striker but what have you seen in Lowes general play that makes it easier for team mates to score more, because this is the idea of Wesley? But to further your point on turning your nose up at goals... Dwight Gayle has made 343 appearances in his career, he's scored 124 goals, that's an average of 1 goal every 2.7 games throughout his career. At 31 It would be foolish to not at least try him with these new players as the single striker with 2 decent wingers and and a number 10 behind him because we won't be getting any striker with a better goals to games ratio than that, that's for certain Dixie Dean's record is a goal every 1.14 games - would you recommended starting him up front tonight? Or do you reckon there's a chance he is past it? |
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