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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 12, 2023 9:12:32 GMT
Have to give him credit, he has done well in the last few games. Yeah ok if being below average is doing well. He’s not very pro active defensively. He’s quite slow of foot and thought and he’s absolutely hopeless at manipulating a football. Apart from all that he’s quite good. |
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Post by pushon on Mar 12, 2023 9:22:16 GMT
Have to give him credit, he has done well in the last few games. Yeah ok if being below average is doing well. He’s not very pro active defensively. He’s quite slow of foot and thought and he’s absolutely hopeless at manipulating a football. Apart from all that he’s quite good. So you like him then👍 |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 12, 2023 9:32:33 GMT
Yeah ok if being below average is doing well. He’s not very pro active defensively. He’s quite slow of foot and thought and he’s absolutely hopeless at manipulating a football. Apart from all that he’s quite good. So you like him then👍 As soon as we’re safe(I think we already are). He needs to start giving Taylor starts and minutes if only to establish whether he can be a critical part of next season’s squad or whether he needs another loan or to be sold, unless he’s already made his mind up about that. He doesn’t tick many of my boxes but at least he’s fairly proactive. Unfortunately he too is slow and a bit rubbish on the ball. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 12, 2023 9:39:29 GMT
As soon as we’re safe(I think we already are). He needs to start giving Taylor starts and minutes if only to establish whether he can be a critical part of next season’s squad or whether he needs another loan or to be sold, unless he’s already made his mind up about that. He doesn’t tick many of my boxes but at least he’s fairly proactive. Unfortunately he too is slow and a bit rubbish on the ball. Taylor is good on the ball |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 12, 2023 9:56:24 GMT
As soon as we’re safe(I think we already are). He needs to start giving Taylor starts and minutes if only to establish whether he can be a critical part of next season’s squad or whether he needs another loan or to be sold, unless he’s already made his mind up about that. He doesn’t tick many of my boxes but at least he’s fairly proactive. Unfortunately he too is slow and a bit rubbish on the ball. Taylor is good on the ball I’m sure we’ve had this discussion before he really isn’t. He’s not great positionally either but he won’t get any better sitting on the bench and a decision on him needs to be made, unless it already has been. Quite indicative how reluctant AN is to use him I suspect. |
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Post by pushon on Mar 12, 2023 10:00:46 GMT
As soon as we’re safe(I think we already are). He needs to start giving Taylor starts and minutes if only to establish whether he can be a critical part of next season’s squad or whether he needs another loan or to be sold, unless he’s already made his mind up about that. He doesn’t tick many of my boxes but at least he’s fairly proactive. Unfortunately he too is slow and a bit rubbish on the ball. I think Fox is a decentish left-sided defender,either left-back or central,has plenty of experience and so a decentish Squad Player. Taylor, it's still a bit early to decide,he could easily turn into the new Souttar. It wouldn't surprise me if they're both still here next season. |
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Post by nonameface on Mar 12, 2023 10:06:14 GMT
As soon as we’re safe(I think we already are). He needs to start giving Taylor starts and minutes if only to establish whether he can be a critical part of next season’s squad or whether he needs another loan or to be sold, unless he’s already made his mind up about that. He doesn’t tick many of my boxes but at least he’s fairly proactive. Unfortunately he too is slow and a bit rubbish on the ball. It would be nice to see more of Taylor, but getting the winning habit surely needs to be the biggest thing? In the short time hes been on the pitch for us Taylor has shown me he needs to improve his passing technique. Many passes look scuffed as he's hitting over the top of the ball too much and they then lose too much pace because of it. He has also looked slow and as you'd expect doesn't look as good as Fox, yet. Bristol Rovers fans raved about him, some I know felt he could even go on to play for England, so he was clearly too good for League 2. I'm not sure whether he needs more games out on loan to confirm he can defend at that level, or stay with us to train in a better environment on his passing and speed. |
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Post by kerouac on Mar 12, 2023 13:10:49 GMT
Am I seriously reading that we, as fans of Stoke City,think that this absolute pile of horse shit is a decent football player ,and indeed, may be a candidate for player of the season....???? Along with Thick Ben,Fat Jags and Brown,Fox shouldnt be anywhere near a starting 11.....I know there aren't any alternatives for Jags til Taylor is fit, but to see him waddling around, bereft of pace and and short of breath is, quite frankly,fucking embarrassing. Yes absolutely, this shows how far we have fallen in recent seasons. You sound like a knowledgeable person. What do you mean by that ? |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 12, 2023 13:14:21 GMT
As soon as we’re safe(I think we already are). He needs to start giving Taylor starts and minutes if only to establish whether he can be a critical part of next season’s squad or whether he needs another loan or to be sold, unless he’s already made his mind up about that. He doesn’t tick many of my boxes but at least he’s fairly proactive. Unfortunately he too is slow and a bit rubbish on the ball. It would be nice to see more of Taylor, but getting the winning habit surely needs to be the biggest thing? In the short time hes been on the pitch for us Taylor has shown me he needs to improve his passing technique. Many passes look scuffed as he's hitting over the top of the ball too much and they then lose too much pace because of it. He has also looked slow and as you'd expect doesn't look as good as Fox, yet. Bristol Rovers fans raved about him, some I know felt he could even go on to play for England, so he was clearly too good for League 2. I'm not sure whether he needs more games out on loan to confirm he can defend at that level, or stay with us to train in a better environment on his passing and speed. I don't think we can hang our hat on him for next season even as cover without plenty of minutes on the pitch before then to confirm that as an option. So I'd either be ensuring he gets those minutes or discounting him from the equasion for next season and making him available for a season long loan or permanent transfer depending upon how they view his potential. I think another season of hardly playing competitive football is by far the worst option for all concerned. |
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Post by hotpot on Mar 13, 2023 0:15:31 GMT
Fox played well against Blackburn's Gallagher. And Gallagher ain't no pushover. To those who criticise Fox .... Watch the match again.
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Post by knype on Mar 13, 2023 11:20:56 GMT
Fox played well against Blackburn's Gallagher. And Gallagher ain't no pushover. To those who criticise Fox .... Watch the match again. Watched it twice, Fox is still woeful! |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 13, 2023 14:34:08 GMT
Fox played well against Blackburn's Gallagher. And Gallagher ain't no pushover. To those who criticise Fox .... Watch the match again. Watched it twice, Fox is still woeful! Depends who's eyes you're watching it with. I think shall we say more old fashioned/traditionalist viewers don't seem to expect a great deal from defenders other than not making costly mistakes. He doesn't make bucketfulls of them but in terms of contribution to our play he is as you say woeful most games. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 13, 2023 16:46:51 GMT
I’m not sure what to make of some of the recent posts.
So a player who is almost 30, arrived on a free transfer 3 years ago, is out of contract this summer, has made circa 60 appearances in his 3 years at the club and until recently produced performances that have been no better than average for the EFL is worthy of another contract and be part of our progressive (everyone is hoping for) match day squad?
Can’t we do (hope for) better even though we know we’ll have significant forthcoming changes in personnel and we’ll have to gel for August.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 13, 2023 16:50:14 GMT
I’m not sure what to make of some of the recent posts.
So a player who is almost 30, arrived on a free transfer 3 years ago, is out of contract this summer, has made circa 60 appearances in his 3 years at the club and until recently produced performances that have been no better than average for the EFL is worthy of another contract and be part of our progressive (everyone is hoping for) match day squad?
Can’t we do (hope for) better even though we know we’ll have significant forthcoming changes in personnel and we’ll have to gel for August.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 13, 2023 17:16:44 GMT
I’m not sure what to make of some of the recent posts. So a player who is almost 30, arrived on a free transfer 3 years ago, is out of contract this summer, has made circa 60 appearances in his 3 years at the club and until recently produced performances that have been no better than average for the EFL is worthy of another contract and be part of our progressive (everyone is hoping for) match day squad? Can’t we do (hope for) better even though we know we’ll have significant forthcoming changes in personnel and we’ll have to gel for August. I agree however AN rates him a lot more highly than I do and based on the facts that he plays him in just about every game he is available and was linked with signing him for Sunderland in the Summer just gone. I'd be pretty amazed if he doesn't offer him a deal.  |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 13, 2023 17:17:17 GMT
I’d have him on the bench next season and filling in for small injuries and cup games. You need players like him to fill up the squad, though back-up is all he should be and probably is this season if he’s only filling in for injured CBs and at left back because of the dropping 2 of the 7 loan players thing.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 13, 2023 17:21:26 GMT
I’d have him on the bench next season and filling in for small injuries and cup games. You need players like him to fill up the squad, though back-up is all he should be and probably is this season if he’s only filling in for injured CBs and at left back because of the dropping 2 of the 7 loan players thing. I really don't want him filling in at LB, he completely kills that side of the pitch stone dead when he plays there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 17:53:24 GMT
We'll only have 8 players left in the summer so we may as well give him an extra year, though he'll probably drop down a league for a longer deal
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Post by a on Mar 13, 2023 18:00:26 GMT
I’m not sure what to make of some of the recent posts. So a player who is almost 30, arrived on a free transfer 3 years ago, is out of contract this summer, has made circa 60 appearances in his 3 years at the club and until recently produced performances that have been no better than average for the EFL is worthy of another contract and be part of our progressive (everyone is hoping for) match day squad? Can’t we do (hope for) better even though we know we’ll have significant forthcoming changes in personnel and we’ll have to gel for August. Problem is we’ve got potentially bigger issues to address than Fox. Just look at the squad once the loaners go back, it’s not great. |
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Post by idle on Mar 13, 2023 18:20:57 GMT
I’m not sure what to make of some of the recent posts. So a player who is almost 30, arrived on a free transfer 3 years ago, is out of contract this summer, has made circa 60 appearances in his 3 years at the club and until recently produced performances that have been no better than average for the EFL is worthy of another contract and be part of our progressive (everyone is hoping for) match day squad? Can’t we do (hope for) better even though we know we’ll have significant forthcoming changes in personnel and we’ll have to gel for August. The problem is, we have what, 10-11 players when the contracts run out and the loans go home? 14-15 new players is difficult to gel into a consistent team until late in the season. That's why I think Fox is one of the players who deserve a 1 year extention. He's versatile (LB, LCB in a three and CB), doesn't usually do fuck ups and is on fairly low wages. Unless we have a cracking new young LB who need all the minutes he can get, Fox will do the job for a year. He won't get us promoted as a first team player, but he'll do a good job as backup. Tymon just isn't the answer at LB, unless we get in Maldini to coach him or something |
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Post by hotpot on Mar 14, 2023 0:56:31 GMT
We won 5-1 away at Sunderland, and we beat Blackburn 3-2, .. and with Fox playing CB too.
Seems like Fox has outfoxed his half-blind critics.
Or did we just get lucky?
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2023 10:48:41 GMT
I would think offering Fox an extended contract for two more years is a no brained. His wages must be at the lower end of the scale, he is a reliable if unexciting defender who can cover centre half and full back and he seems like a decent bloke who gets on with it without complaining if he is dropped and does seem quite passionate about Stoke for someone who appears to be very complacent and laid back on the pitch. I have noticed just lately though how if he makes a mistake he puts extra effort into rectifying it.
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Post by knype on Mar 14, 2023 10:52:22 GMT
I would think offering Fox an extended contract for two more years is a no brained. His wages must be at the lower end of the scale, he is a reliable if unexciting defender who can cover centre half and full back and he seems like a decent bloke who gets on with it without complaining if he is dropped and does seem quite passionate about Stoke for someone who appears to be very complacent and laid back on the pitch. I have noticed just lately though how if he makes a mistake he puts extra effort into rectifying it. You are a no brainer if you offer him that! He is already slow, imagine another 2 years of him... Let him go for me |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2023 11:10:00 GMT
I would think offering Fox an extended contract for two more years is a no brained. His wages must be at the lower end of the scale, he is a reliable if unexciting defender who can cover centre half and full back and he seems like a decent bloke who gets on with it without complaining if he is dropped and does seem quite passionate about Stoke for someone who appears to be very complacent and laid back on the pitch. I have noticed just lately though how if he makes a mistake he puts extra effort into rectifying it. You are a no brainer if you offer him that! He is already slow, imagine another 2 years of him... Let him go for me No need for insults. It is my opinion that he would be a perfectly decent squad player in the Championship. I'm not saying we shouldn't upgrade to a better starting player but I doubt if we would get a better player as cover. You might not agree, that's your perogative. |
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Post by pushon on Mar 14, 2023 11:13:23 GMT
You are a no brainer if you offer him that! He is already slow, imagine another 2 years of him... Let him go for me No need for insults. It is my opinion that he would be a perfectly decent squad player in the Championship. I'm not saying we shouldn't upgrade to a better starting player but I doubt if we would get a better player as cover. You might not agree, that's your perogative. Well said👍 |
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Post by pez75 on Mar 15, 2023 8:38:16 GMT
Fox plays cos hes got a left foot. Its about balance and limited alternatives.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 15, 2023 8:39:30 GMT
Fox plays cos hes got a left foot. Its about balance and limited alternatives. Exactly, and in the main he’s been good particularly in that centre half role that is alien to him. I’m not a fan but credit where it’s due. |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 15, 2023 8:49:29 GMT
Playing with better players has worked out really well for him , and for us of course!
He looks much better with the likes of Axel, Sterling and Pearson on the pitch. Less pressure on him for a start.
Also not a fan, but he’s played really well in recent games.
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Post by collo68 on Mar 15, 2023 8:53:00 GMT
I would think offering Fox an extended contract for two more years is a no brained. His wages must be at the lower end of the scale, he is a reliable if unexciting defender who can cover centre half and full back and he seems like a decent bloke who gets on with it without complaining if he is dropped and does seem quite passionate about Stoke for someone who appears to be very complacent and laid back on the pitch. I have noticed just lately though how if he makes a mistake he puts extra effort into rectifying it. I 100% agree with what you have said and on the basis Neil plays him and seems to have improved him I think he feels the same |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 15, 2023 8:54:55 GMT
Playing with better players has worked out really well for him , and for us of course! He looks much better with the likes of Axel, Sterling and Pearson on the pitch. Less pressure on him for a start. Also not a fan, but he’s played really well in recent games. It's always been this way. I said to somebody about the Duberry we got alongside Taggart and the Duberry without Taggart. They were poles apart. Hopefully we'll be able to bring in the modern equivalents of a Lawrence, Fuller, Cort, Pugh, Cresswell etc who, combined with the more workaday players, are enough to have you challenging. |
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