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Post by chayseeoatcake on May 10, 2023 20:31:31 GMT
See 1st post
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 10, 2023 20:32:40 GMT
Player of the season means sod all. We’ve shown that enough. The bloke is a head on a stick. I don’t think he (Wilmot) can pass, I don’t think he’s good enough. POTS means naff all. He’s awful in your opinion because he can’t pass so what many a player in the championship can’t pass. That’s rubbish it means he’s the best player in a top six side 🤷♀️ I think that was part of the reason. Teams targeted him and he was our weakest link. You don’t keep your weakest link.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 10, 2023 20:38:49 GMT
You’re second point is laughable. I’ve fallen into the trap by responding,……….another Guinness Book of records chase for most profile “ultracrepidarian” poster on social media. For those who can’t be bothered to Google the meaning of ultracrepidarian, Someone who thinks they know everything about a subject however in reality, they know fuck all. I agree with Bayern about him commanding his area. He is very positive, when he goes for a punch there are no half measures. Sometimes he makes the wrong decision but at least he makes a decision and commits to it. He is also very vocal. I sit in the second row in the Boothen just to the side of the goal and he never shuts up shouting instructions to his defenders. When he first came in the difference from him to Bonham or Bursik was like night and day. “If” he comes. I’ll await a few games in and then respond, if necessary with a big slice of humble pie. To compare him with a Div 1 goalkeeper and a young lad playing in and behind a poor defence I’d suggest isn’t comparing apples with apples.
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Post by wakeypotter on May 10, 2023 20:38:57 GMT
He’s awful in your opinion because he can’t pass so what many a player in the championship can’t pass. That’s rubbish it means he’s the best player in a top six side 🤷♀️ I think that was part of the reason. Teams targeted him and he was our weakest link. You don’t keep your weakest link. So you saying jags, fox, Wilmot , Taylor are better than batth? To me he wasn’t our weakest link Teams may have closed him down when he had the ball but personally I’d rather our defenders not have the ball too much
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 20:47:47 GMT
I agree with Bayern about him commanding his area. He is very positive, when he goes for a punch there are no half measures. Sometimes he makes the wrong decision but at least he makes a decision and commits to it. He is also very vocal. I sit in the second row in the Boothen just to the side of the goal and he never shuts up shouting instructions to his defenders. When he first came in the difference from him to Bonham or Bursik was like night and day. “If” he comes. I’ll await a few games in and then respond, if necessary with a big slice of humble pie. To compare him with a Div 1 goalkeeper and a young lad playing in and behind a poor defence I’d suggest isn’t comparing apples with apples. He's not that old himself for a keeper but he's got confidence and I am only comparing him with those he's replaced. I'm not saying he's the second coming of Banks but he's a definite upgrade if he can stay fit. I've seen Leicester a few times recently and I'm not convinced Iverson is any better.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 10, 2023 20:49:11 GMT
I think that was part of the reason. Teams targeted him and he was our weakest link. You don’t keep your weakest link. So you saying jags, fox, Wilmot , Taylor are better than batth? To me he wasn’t our weakest link Teams may have closed him down when he had the ball but personally I’d rather our defenders not have the ball too much I don’t think any of them are good enough to be starting for us no. I think all of them bar Taylor have played better than Batth in a Stoke shirt though. Taylor just hasn’t had the game time to make such a claim. They didn’t close him down. They let him have it! They’d close everyone else down and then he’d give it away. Every single time.
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Post by wakeypotter on May 10, 2023 20:51:33 GMT
So you saying jags, fox, Wilmot , Taylor are better than batth? To me he wasn’t our weakest link Teams may have closed him down when he had the ball but personally I’d rather our defenders not have the ball too much I don’t think any of them are good enough to be starting for us no. I think all of them bar Taylor have played better than Batth in a Stoke shirt though. Taylor just hasn’t had the game time to make such a claim. They didn’t close him down. They let him have it! They’d close everyone else down and then he’d give it away. Every single time. Well we will agree to disagree it’s all about opinions that’s what makes it interesting on here
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Post by george2again on May 10, 2023 20:54:04 GMT
I don’t think any of them are good enough to be starting for us no. I think all of them bar Taylor have played better than Batth in a Stoke shirt though. Taylor just hasn’t had the game time to make such a claim. They didn’t close him down. They let him have it! They’d close everyone else down and then he’d give it away. Every single time. Well we will agree to disagree it’s all about opinions that’s what makes it interesting on here Taylor is too slow and ponderous for me. Sell.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 20:57:40 GMT
So you saying jags, fox, Wilmot , Taylor are better than batth? To me he wasn’t our weakest link Teams may have closed him down when he had the ball but personally I’d rather our defenders not have the ball too much I don’t think any of them are good enough to be starting for us no. I think all of them bar Taylor have played better than Batth in a Stoke shirt though. Taylor just hasn’t had the game time to make such a claim. They didn’t close him down. They let him have it! They’d close everyone else down and then he’d give it away. Every single time. Isn't that more down to the fact that we were playing him in a system that didn't suit him. As a one v one defender much like Fox he's reliable. Sunderland obviously play to his strengths.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 10, 2023 21:04:44 GMT
I don’t think any of them are good enough to be starting for us no. I think all of them bar Taylor have played better than Batth in a Stoke shirt though. Taylor just hasn’t had the game time to make such a claim. They didn’t close him down. They let him have it! They’d close everyone else down and then he’d give it away. Every single time. Isn't that more down to the fact that we were playing him in a system that didn't suit him. As a one v one defender much like Fox he's reliable. Sunderland obviously play to his strengths. It was to an extent and it’s why he had to go. Fox isn’t good enough either.
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Post by gawa on May 10, 2023 21:05:08 GMT
I think that was part of the reason. Teams targeted him and he was our weakest link. You don’t keep your weakest link. So you saying jags, fox, Wilmot , Taylor are better than batth? To me he wasn’t our weakest link Teams may have closed him down when he had the ball but personally I’d rather our defenders not have the ball too much I liked Danny, not only was he reliable at the back, he also chipped in with a fair few goals from set pieces too. Ultimately though he was on alot more money here than he is at Sunderland and that's why he dropped down a division too as no one was willing to pay him what he was earning here. Great squad player but not on the wages he was on.
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Post by wakeypotter on May 10, 2023 21:10:23 GMT
So you saying jags, fox, Wilmot , Taylor are better than batth? To me he wasn’t our weakest link Teams may have closed him down when he had the ball but personally I’d rather our defenders not have the ball too much I liked Danny, not only was he reliable at the back, he also chipped in with a fair few goals from set pieces too. Ultimately though he was on alot more money here than he is at Sunderland and that's why he dropped down a division too as no one was willing to pay him what he was earning here. Great squad player but not on the wages he was on. Yeh that’s a good point I’d forgotten he was a top earner
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Post by cvillestokie on May 10, 2023 21:16:17 GMT
Give up I repeat how is he awful in a top six side winning player of the season. He is a no nonsense defender which i know you and others say he couldn’t pass , maybe not but do you think our player of the season can pass? Haway said he’s had a great season. He’s a better defender than anything we’ve had since/at the time (barring Souttar and Collins). He wasn’t a great passer but then have someone come and collect the ball off him. Mowbray’s teams don’t just play hoofball and he has done well there. He’s a good example of what happens when you bring in a decent player and don’t compliment him with anyone else that suits them. Stoke have been a squad of individuals since the relegation season.
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Post by wakeypotter on May 10, 2023 21:18:24 GMT
Give up I repeat how is he awful in a top six side winning player of the season. He is a no nonsense defender which i know you and others say he couldn’t pass , maybe not but do you think our player of the season can pass? Haway said he’s had a great season. He’s a better defender than anything we’ve had since/at the time (barring Souttar and Collins). He wasn’t a great passer but then have someone come and collect the ball off him. Mowbray’s teams don’t just play hoofball and he has done well there. He’s a good example of what happens when you bring in a decent player and don’t compliment him with anyone else that suits them. Stoke have been a squad of individuals since the relegation season. Totally agree with this mate 👍
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2023 21:27:04 GMT
He’s a better defender than anything we’ve had since/at the time (barring Souttar and Collins). He wasn’t a great passer but then have someone come and collect the ball off him. Mowbray’s teams don’t just play hoofball and he has done well there. He’s a good example of what happens when you bring in a decent player and don’t compliment him with anyone else that suits them. Stoke have been a squad of individuals since the relegation season. Totally agree with this mate 👍 Batth was moved on because of his big wages If he'd been on £10k a week he'd still be here
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Post by cvillestokie on May 10, 2023 21:32:00 GMT
Totally agree with this mate 👍 Batth was moved on because of his big wages If he'd been on £10k a week he'd still be here I don’t disagree with the reasons for him going at the time, I was mainly disagreeing with the comments saying he was a crap footballer, which he evidently isn’t.
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2023 21:34:26 GMT
Batth was moved on because of his big wages If he'd been on £10k a week he'd still be here I don’t disagree with the reasons for him going at the time, I was mainly disagreeing with the comments saying he was a crap footballer, which he evidently isn’t. Excellent defender who, like most centre backs, has got better with age but it's not unfair to point out how poor his first touch is and his passing - Flint makes Danny look like Baresi mind - Scored a few too
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 10, 2023 21:57:22 GMT
I am a little surprised that we have let him go.
He is solid enough and can play across a couple of positions. As a squad player, he would be fine.
Now we have another player to replace.
It will have to be a busy window!
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Post by maine on May 10, 2023 22:16:02 GMT
So, who's next? Now that Derby have missed out on promotion, there's a mature player possibly in the frame. Jagielka upgrade??!!!
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Post by dirtclod on May 10, 2023 23:42:59 GMT
I am a little surprised that we have let him go. He is solid enough and can play across a couple of positions. As a squad player, he would be fine. Now we have another player to replace. It will have to be a busy window! I was surprised too as Fox would have made a good squad player. (Wonder if his value might have crept up to where he'd be "too expensive" to just be a sub?) I'm concerned about the sheer number of signings we're going to need now. Thank God Rowett is no longer here! One one hand it's exciting because if there ever was a poster-child for needing a complete reset it's us, but on the other hand it looks like we're going to need 14 new people just to keep the squad at an even keel? (Then additional missing pieces will have to be bought in the January window) We're going to need the window to end ALL windows. But I'm learning not to get too negative about early signings as it seems to me that the best players seem to hold off until later in the window before signing. Bet we're sweating a ton the 3 days prior to this window closing.
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 11, 2023 11:23:53 GMT
I am a little surprised that we have let him go. He is solid enough and can play across a couple of positions. As a squad player, he would be fine. Now we have another player to replace. It will have to be a busy window! I was surprised too as Fox would have made a good squad player. (Wonder if his value might have crept up to where he'd be "too expensive" to just be a sub?) I'm concerned about the sheer number of signings we're going to need now. Thank God Rowett is no longer here! One one hand it's exciting because if there ever was a poster-child for needing a complete reset it's us, but on the other hand it looks like we're going to need 14 new people just to keep the squad at an even keel? (Then additional missing pieces will have to be bought in the January window) We're going to need the window to end ALL windows. But I'm learning not to get too negative about early signings as it seems to me that the best players seem to hold off until later in the window before signing. Bet we're sweating a ton the 3 days prior to this window closing. I think that this is where I am at as well. We need to sign a lot of players over the summer. That is just to get a squad together, never mind worrying about the quality or calibre of player. It is exciting because it is a clean slate. It is terrifying because if we get it wrong we will be screwed.
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Post by femark on May 11, 2023 11:30:20 GMT
Have we let him go or has he decided he wants to move on?
If I was Fox i wouldn't want to stick around at Stoke either.
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Post by theonlooker on May 11, 2023 11:31:27 GMT
Andrew Hughes is in the last year of his deal with Preston. I wonder if Neil is targeting him as a replacement?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 11, 2023 11:52:24 GMT
Have we let him go or has he decided he wants to move on? If I was Fox i wouldn't want to stick around at Stoke either. He wasn't offered a deal according to the press release the club put out.
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Post by AlliG on May 11, 2023 13:04:47 GMT
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Post by AlliG on May 11, 2023 13:05:41 GMT
Batth was moved on because of his big wages If he'd been on £10k a week he'd still be here I don’t disagree with the reasons for him going at the time, I was mainly disagreeing with the comments saying he was a crap footballer, which he evidently isn’t. Watching Danny Batth trying to pass the ball was very much like watching Cliff Thorburn lining up a shot in snooker. Aim, scratch chin, aim, chalk cue, aim, walk round the table, aim, aim, aim and then finally make the shot. Batth is a good old fashioned head it and kick it centre half, but, absolutely unsuited for any team that wants to build from the back or play any type of possession based game.
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Post by femark on May 11, 2023 13:08:06 GMT
Have we let him go or has he decided he wants to move on? If I was Fox i wouldn't want to stick around at Stoke either. He wasn't offered a deal according to the press release the club put out. But that could be because they already had an informal chat and he said he wasn't interested.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 11, 2023 13:09:52 GMT
I don’t disagree with the reasons for him going at the time, I was mainly disagreeing with the comments saying he was a crap footballer, which he evidently isn’t. Watching Danny Batth trying to pass the ball was very much like watching Cliff Thorburn lining up a shot in snooker. Aim, scratch chin, aim, chalk cue, aim, walk round the table, aim, aim, aim and then finally make the shot. Batth is a good old fashioned head it and kick it centre half, but, absolutely unsuited for any team that wants to build from the back or play any type of possession based game. Like any team under the management of Tony Mowbray?
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Post by AlliG on May 11, 2023 16:02:02 GMT
Watching Danny Batth trying to pass the ball was very much like watching Cliff Thorburn lining up a shot in snooker. Aim, scratch chin, aim, chalk cue, aim, walk round the table, aim, aim, aim and then finally make the shot. Batth is a good old fashioned head it and kick it centre half, but, absolutely unsuited for any team that wants to build from the back or play any type of possession based game. Like any team under the management of Tony Mowbray? The other 10 do all the passing and Batth just sticks to the defending? There is a reason why Wolves let him go when they did and that was because he was unable to adapt to the style of football that Nuno Espirito Santo introduced. I like Danny Batth as a defender but to try and suggest he is anything other than a kick it and head it defender is stretching things.
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Post by chigstoke on May 11, 2023 18:10:32 GMT
A nice enough tweet from Fox I'd say. Not the most blessed of players with skill and pace by any means, but all the best in the future to him.
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