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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 20, 2023 16:09:05 GMT
Well done foxy lad. Well deserved whatever the lone bellend on this thread is saying.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2023 16:13:41 GMT
Maybe Pulis would think he was a LB but there again he thought Marc Wilson was one of the best LB's in the PL. who fucking cares? TP left 10 years ago And even 10 years ago it was pretty unusual for a manager/coach to play full backs who were just stoppers, modern FB's attack as much as they defend and need to have some ability with the ball over and above heading it and hoofing it. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2023 16:15:03 GMT
A deserved reward for the improvement he’s made recently. What has he improved at then? |
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2023 16:26:15 GMT
who fucking cares? TP left 10 years ago And even 10 years ago it was pretty unusual for a manager/coach to play full backs who were just stoppers, modern FB's attack as much as they defend and need to have some ability with the ball over and above heading it and hoofing it. you can make that point without dragging TP into it bizarre to point out that football has moved on when you unnecessarily refer to a previous manager from ages ago no need |
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2023 16:26:30 GMT
A deserved reward for the improvement he’s made recently. What has he improved at then? defending |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Mar 20, 2023 16:47:16 GMT
He's a good defender but my word he is nowhere near up to standard going over the half way line. Fine in a back 3 but he's not a LB. He's done a decent job for us at left back. He's had some okay games, mainly when playing team who like to have the ball, and some shocking ones as well. Stinks the place out when we're trying to break teams down. His control of the ball and passing wouldn't be acceptable in non-league. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2023 16:48:44 GMT
And even 10 years ago it was pretty unusual for a manager/coach to play full backs who were just stoppers, modern FB's attack as much as they defend and need to have some ability with the ball over and above heading it and hoofing it. you can make that point without dragging TP into it bizarre to point out that football has moved on when you unnecessarily refer to a previous manager from ages ago no need Why is he Voldermort. I used him as an example, I didn't realise there was some rule that he mustn't be mentioned and if I did I'd have broken it anyway. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2023 16:52:53 GMT
He's done a decent job for us at left back. He's had some okay games, mainly when playing team who like to have the ball, and some shocking ones as well. Stinks the place out when we're trying to break teams down. His control of the ball and passing wouldn't be acceptable in non-league. Totally kills one side of the pitch playing him at FB. I suspect AN will offer him a new deal but I really wish he wouldn't. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2023 16:58:48 GMT
you can make that point without dragging TP into it bizarre to point out that football has moved on when you unnecessarily refer to a previous manager from ages ago no need Why is he Voldermort. I used him as an example, I didn't realise there was some rule that he mustn't be mentioned and if I did I'd have broken it anyway. sorry not buying that |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2023 17:06:43 GMT
He's had some okay games, mainly when playing team who like to have the ball, and some shocking ones as well. Stinks the place out when we're trying to break teams down. His control of the ball and passing wouldn't be acceptable in non-league. Totally kills one side of the pitch playing him at FB. I suspect AN will offer him a new deal but I really wish he wouldn't. Compare the stats of Fox and Sterling for Saturday on here: www.skysports.com/football/stoke-city-vs-norwich-city/report/468276Then explain to me why one was made man of the match and one was a waste of space. I understand these are very basic and a lot are not included such as dribbles and take ons, forward passes etc but unless someone can show me a set of statistics which show Sterling to have been far superior in these areas the ones available are here and seem to indicate that there wasn't much between the two of them and if anything Fox shaded it. I know someone will say "I go by what I see with my own eyes" but at least stats don't start out with preconceived expectancies and offer objectivity in this sort of debate. |
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Post by datguy on Mar 20, 2023 17:29:22 GMT
You’d think he is one of the very few contract expiries that Neil sits down and gives a new deal.
He’s been one of the brighter sparks this season and has played his role in the pick up in form recently.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 17:37:14 GMT
He's done a decent job for us at left back. He's had some okay games, mainly when playing team who like to have the ball, and some shocking ones as well. Stinks the place out when we're trying to break teams down. His control of the ball and passing wouldn't be acceptable in non-league. Well Norwich sat in on Saturday and only had 35% possession and Fox was fine apart from the one cross which was comically over hit. He curled a couple of lovely balls down the line to bypass their fullback. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2023 17:58:43 GMT
Why is he Voldermort. I used him as an example, I didn't realise there was some rule that he mustn't be mentioned and if I did I'd have broken it anyway. sorry not buying that Good job because I ain't selling it. There aren't any subjects off limits to me. If that upsets you I'm likely to do so on a regular basis  |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2023 18:01:15 GMT
He's had some okay games, mainly when playing team who like to have the ball, and some shocking ones as well. Stinks the place out when we're trying to break teams down. His control of the ball and passing wouldn't be acceptable in non-league. Well Norwich sat in on Saturday and only had 35% possession and Fox was fine apart from the one cross which was comically over hit. He curled a couple of lovely balls down the line to bypass their fullback. Fine apart from the fact that if we'd carried a threat on that flank we'd have been more likely to have scored. That sort of fine? |
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Post by idle on Mar 20, 2023 18:04:21 GMT
As I said in the POTS thread, I think he deserves to be in the shout for player of the season. He's not been our best player, but he's been our most dependable when looking at the season as a whole. Is Laurent, Pearson, Campbell, Smallbone and Sterling better players? Hell yeah! But they've only been here small parts of the season or been poor for long periods. Fox is steady, seldom really good, and very seldom really poor. Our only player, along maybe Jags, that have done the job all season.
Congratulations on a well deserved call up!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 18:10:02 GMT
Well Norwich sat in on Saturday and only had 35% possession and Fox was fine apart from the one cross which was comically over hit. He curled a couple of lovely balls down the line to bypass their fullback. Fine apart from the fact that if we'd carried a threat on that flank we'd have been more likely to have scored. That sort of fine? We carried more threat on that flank with Fox, Campbell and Laurent than the right flank in my opinion. We all know your opinion of Fox. I'll leave it there and agree to disagree. |
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Post by anchorman on Mar 20, 2023 18:15:42 GMT
Well done Morgan Fox. He has been excellent for us lately, came on at Sunderland & Boro and played very well, didn't put a foot wrong and put in another good performance on Saturday. Well deserved Foxy!
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 20, 2023 18:23:49 GMT
Deserves the call up. He’s easily good enough to play for Wales and he’s having a decent season for us. It seems he’s getting criticism for not being the love child of Roberto Carlos and Paulo Maldini but his defending has been steady enough and he’s made a few assists too.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 20, 2023 19:01:03 GMT
I think he has played better in central defence than at left back.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 19:15:27 GMT
I think he has played better in central defence than at left back. I have been very pleasantly surprised how well he's coped as a CB in a four. |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Mar 22, 2023 13:39:43 GMT
He's had some okay games, mainly when playing team who like to have the ball, and some shocking ones as well. Stinks the place out when we're trying to break teams down. His control of the ball and passing wouldn't be acceptable in non-league. Well Norwich sat in on Saturday and only had 35% possession and Fox was fine apart from the one cross which was comically over hit. He curled a couple of lovely balls down the line to bypass their fullback. He also nearly lost us the game inside 10 minutes. He's a very average player in a team in great form. If we want a sniff of promotion next year we need to move on from players like Fox. |
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Post by logdog on Mar 22, 2023 14:27:32 GMT
Good job because I ain't selling it. There aren't any subjects off limits to me. If that upsets you I'm likely to do so on a regular basis Good for you. You really need to get over yourself, mate. Me, me, me… 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 16:51:49 GMT
Well Norwich sat in on Saturday and only had 35% possession and Fox was fine apart from the one cross which was comically over hit. He curled a couple of lovely balls down the line to bypass their fullback. He also nearly lost us the game inside 10 minutes. He's a very average player in a team in great form. If we want a sniff of promotion next year we need to move on from players like Fox. I presume the incident you mean is when the forward nearly pulled the shirt off his back to get through on goal which the pathetic ref failed to see. I was directly in line and it was a blatant foul. I agree we need an upgrade if we are to push on but we will do well to get a better back up option than Fox. I've never said he should be first choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 0:42:01 GMT
Well Norwich sat in on Saturday and only had 35% possession and Fox was fine apart from the one cross which was comically over hit. He curled a couple of lovely balls down the line to bypass their fullback. He also nearly lost us the game inside 10 minutes. He's a very average player in a team in great form. If we want a sniff of promotion next year we need to move on from players like Fox. Smith is an average player in an in-form team as well. Though his team sits in 3rd. Most Championship teams at the top of the table each year are full of average players who work well together and are brought up by one or two star players. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 23, 2023 10:37:14 GMT
He also nearly lost us the game inside 10 minutes. He's a very average player in a team in great form. If we want a sniff of promotion next year we need to move on from players like Fox. Smith is an average player in an in-form team as well. Though his team sits in 3rd. Most Championship teams at the top of the table each year are full of average players who work well together and are brought up by one or two star players. Just look at ourselves. We won automatic promotion with Carl Dickinson at left back and he wasn't really even Championship standard. Andy Wilkinson ended up having a decent Premier League career with us but in reality he was probably a bottom half Championship standard right back. But the system Pulis played and the role he was asked to play complimented his strengths and minimised his weaknesses. And on the other side, many of the players Rowett and Jones spunked millions on after relegation were 'proven' top Championship players with recent promotions to the Premier League on their CVs, or at least a track record of playing for clubs who regularly reached the playoffs. Some had quite a bit of Premier League experience too. These weren't shit players, they had natural talent and had shown it at other clubs. The problem was that pretty much all of them weren't the types of players that we needed to compliment the players we already had in the squad, to fix the glaring weaknesses in key positions and to fit the system that the manager wanted to play. So they failed miserably and will go down in Stoke history as poor players despite probably having a lot more natural talent than the likes of Dickinson and Wilkinson. |
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Post by bolders on Mar 24, 2023 9:45:44 GMT
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Post by jeycov on Mar 24, 2023 9:49:46 GMT
It’s all down to if our manager sees him as part of our future
Additional international experience will be a benefit for him wherever he ends up
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Post by callas12 on Mar 24, 2023 15:15:11 GMT
It’s all down to if our manager sees him as part of our future Additional international experience will be a benefit for him wherever he ends up Neil definitely seems to fancy him, in the footy sense! Good knowing that other rival clubs of a good standard are sniffing around our players though as at least they're being noticed. If Fox is happy and convinced by the project here, & Neil wants him as part of the plans going forwards I'd imagine he'll sign up & stay. WBA obviously looking at Left back options as sure Pieters only signed a one year deal & at 35 for the 23/24 season will likely be moving on. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 24, 2023 16:05:15 GMT
Surprisingly solid at CB in a 4. Got badly done once by Brereton-Diaz but if that disqualifies a player from being championship standard then most champ CBs would risk getting fired.
I agree about him hurting us going forward when he's on the left. Just with Campbell and Laurent we create anyway.
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2023 17:26:37 GMT
'The 29-year-old has enjoyed a hugely impressive season ' he's been much improved in the last few weeks & can see argument to retain him as cheap bench option but 'hugely impressive' is 100% bs |
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