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Post by slash on Mar 24, 2023 18:15:15 GMT
'The 29-year-old has enjoyed a hugely impressive season ' he's been much improved in the last few weeks & can see argument to retain him as cheap bench option but 'hugely impressive' is 100% bs he's hugely impressed me with how fucking wank he's been up until the last 2 or 3 matches. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 18:54:04 GMT
The recruitment departments of those clubs obviously don't read the Oatcake. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 10, 2023 16:03:30 GMT
Hats off to him today thought he had a good game and I’m by no means a fan. Wilmot did ok too.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 10, 2023 16:14:05 GMT
Thought by and large the back four were really solid.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2023 16:14:43 GMT
I’m one of his biggest fans on here but to progress we need to be releasing him.
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 10, 2023 16:17:36 GMT
I’m one of his biggest fans on here but to progress we need to be releasing him. Thought he was fine today. Depends on his wages for me. If he's cheap then I doubt we'd get better as backup CB/LB and could unsettle things by bringing in a new backup. If he's regularly first choice it's hard to see us pushing on though. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 10, 2023 16:19:20 GMT
I’m one of his biggest fans on here but to progress we need to be releasing him. He’s a decent squad player. Not a starter but decent to have around. Seems a good pro. I’d rather get rid of Tymon he’s been dreadful recently. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2023 16:21:10 GMT
I’m one of his biggest fans on here but to progress we need to be releasing him. Thought he was fine today. Depends on his wages for me. If he's cheap then I doubt we'd get better as backup CB/LB and could unsettle things by bringing in a new backup. If he's regularly first choice it's hard to see us pushing on though. Doesn’t matter how he played today. He needs to go. As I’ve said overall I like him but we need to move on. This squad still needs a complete overhaul. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2023 16:22:05 GMT
I’m one of his biggest fans on here but to progress we need to be releasing him. He’s a decent squad player. Not a starter but decent to have around. Seems a good pro. I’d rather get rid of Tymon he’s been dreadful recently. Both need to be let go. I’d keep Fox over Tymon but seeing either here next season would be quite bad. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 10, 2023 16:26:52 GMT
Thought he was fine today. Depends on his wages for me. If he's cheap then I doubt we'd get better as backup CB/LB and could unsettle things by bringing in a new backup. If he's regularly first choice it's hard to see us pushing on though. Doesn’t matter how he played today. He needs to go. As I’ve said overall I like him but we need to move on. This squad still needs a complete overhaul. I'm not gonna be upset if he leaves like. Just thinking we're probably already shopping for 2+ CBs and 2+ fullbacks. Will our #5 or #6 choice defender really be an upgrade to push on? Maybe if it saves money and/or we're replacing him with a youth prospect. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 10, 2023 21:20:13 GMT
He’s staying as good centre back and full back cover and rightly so may well play himself into the team as left sided centre back
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Post by BuzzB on Apr 10, 2023 21:26:11 GMT
He was alright again today, but was all that hoofing planned? Everything hoofed towards Ty.Not alot of composure on the ball.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Apr 11, 2023 5:50:37 GMT
Think we'll keep him as a back up defender, and im ok with that..
With so many out of contract I can see a few being kept on as squad players we can't expect realistically to buy a virtually new first 11 and also 5 or 6 squad players. Its just to much logistically to try and push through. Some will be kept on purely to take some pressure off this summer in the recruitment process.
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 11, 2023 12:18:43 GMT
I've seen far worse so I reckon he's fine as a squad player. As others have said... the back four were OK against Brum. I wouldn't get rid of him.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 11, 2023 12:56:57 GMT
Hats off to him today thought he had a good game and I’m by no means a fan. Wilmot did ok too. I should hope so too, Brum didnt have more than 3 shots did they? They were sat behind the ball. |
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Post by slash on Apr 11, 2023 14:26:33 GMT
credit where it's due, to me of course. fox must've seen this thread and realised his errors. clean sheets and wins are nothing to turn your nose up at.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 11, 2023 16:09:21 GMT
Adjusted for inflation, is he any worse than Carl Dickinson from our last escape from the Championship?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 12, 2023 17:08:04 GMT
Adjusted for inflation, is he any worse than Carl Dickinson from our last escape from the Championship? Fox is an ok Championship player - not good enough for the Premier League but decent at this level. Dickinson was all heart but League One standard at best even in his day and overall the standard is better now. As Pulis showed it isn't just a matter of putting out the "best" players - you can put together a team of lower quality players and still go up if the blend, organisation and attitude is right. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2023 17:37:21 GMT
Adjusted for inflation, is he any worse than Carl Dickinson from our last escape from the Championship? Not as good at tackling but less rash Both rubbish on the ball |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 18:41:42 GMT
Adjusted for inflation, is he any worse than Carl Dickinson from our last escape from the Championship? Fox is an ok Championship player - not good enough for the Premier League but decent at this level. Dickinson was all heart but League One standard at best even in his day and overall the standard is better now. As Pulis showed it isn't just a matter of putting out the "best" players - you can put together a team of lower quality players and still go up if the blend, organisation and attitude is right. I do not agree that the standard is better. I felt like I enjoyed football a lot more last time we were in this awful division. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 12, 2023 19:07:19 GMT
Hope we hear soon that Fox has signed a new contract. He is dependable as at least a backup.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 13, 2023 6:56:46 GMT
Fox is an ok Championship player - not good enough for the Premier League but decent at this level. Dickinson was all heart but League One standard at best even in his day and overall the standard is better now. As Pulis showed it isn't just a matter of putting out the "best" players - you can put together a team of lower quality players and still go up if the blend, organisation and attitude is right. I do not agree that the standard is better. I felt like I enjoyed football a lot more last time we were in this awful division. When we were last in this division we had come up from League 1 and were happy to be back - just staying up and establishing ourselves looked great given where we'd been. This time round we've come down and exactly the same "achievements" feel crap because of where we were. The standard of football has improved - enjoying it has more to do with expectations than anything else and winning as underdogs is sweeter than winning out of a sense of (undeserved) superiority and expectation. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 13, 2023 7:17:50 GMT
I do not agree that the standard is better. I felt like I enjoyed football a lot more last time we were in this awful division. When we were last in this division we had come up from League 1 and were happy to be back - just staying up and establishing ourselves looked great given where we'd been. This time round we've come down and exactly the same "achievements" feel crap because of where we were. The standard of football has improved - enjoying it has more to do with expectations than anything else and winning as underdogs is sweeter than winning out of a sense of (undeserved) superiority and expectation. I’d go with cvillestokie’s take on it. IMO the standard is lower and there are less players in the division capable of stepping up a level. As for level of enjoyment I think since the turn of the year we’ve regularly been a good watch as we were the first half of our promotion season. I don’t think anybody really expects it every week, at last the direction of travel seems positive. It’s a massive Summer for us, just hope we don’t mess it up again. |
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Post by idle on Apr 13, 2023 11:35:57 GMT
When we were last in this division we had come up from League 1 and were happy to be back - just staying up and establishing ourselves looked great given where we'd been. This time round we've come down and exactly the same "achievements" feel crap because of where we were. The standard of football has improved - enjoying it has more to do with expectations than anything else and winning as underdogs is sweeter than winning out of a sense of (undeserved) superiority and expectation. I’d go with cvillestokie’s take on it. IMO the standard is lower and there are less players in the division capable of stepping up a level. As for level of enjoyment I think since the turn of the year we’ve regularly been a good watch as we were the first half of our promotion season. I don’t think anybody really expects it every week, at last the direction of travel seems positive. It’s a massive Summer for us, just hope we don’t mess it up again. My take is that the standard is definitely worse, and have been declining for a few seasons in a row. Mostly because of the increasing gap between wages in the PL and the rest of the pyramid, so that players would rather sit on the bench or get loaned out from a PL team than sign for CS teams. Plus the fact that work permits after brexit are almost impossible to get for Championship teams, except for the top clubs with parachute payments. I want Fox to sign a 1 year contract, with a 1 yr extension if he plays more than say 20 games. He's been as good as we could have expected him to be, and we'd be hard pressed to find backup players that are equally versatile. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 13, 2023 11:48:08 GMT
I’d go with cvillestokie’s take on it. IMO the standard is lower and there are less players in the division capable of stepping up a level. As for level of enjoyment I think since the turn of the year we’ve regularly been a good watch as we were the first half of our promotion season. I don’t think anybody really expects it every week, at last the direction of travel seems positive. It’s a massive Summer for us, just hope we don’t mess it up again. My take is that the standard is definitely worse, and have been declining for a few seasons in a row. Mostly because of the increasing gap between wages in the PL and the rest of the pyramid, so that players would rather sit on the bench or get loaned out from a PL team than sign for CS teams. Plus the fact that work permits after brexit are almost impossible to get for Championship teams, except for the top clubs with parachute payments. I want Fox to sign a 1 year contract, with a 1 yr extension if he plays more than say 20 games. He's been as good as we could have expected him to be, and we'd be hard pressed to find backup players that are equally versatile. I gave it a like even though I don't like the last paragraph. Sign a player with a future, mediocre players of his age group just aren't something that you need at any club. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 13, 2023 13:01:31 GMT
Fox is out of contract and so is Jay Dasilva at Bristol City. Let's think about that and similar scenarios.
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Post by lordb on Apr 13, 2023 13:04:22 GMT
Fox is out of contract and so is Jay Dasilva at Bristol City. Let's think about that and similar scenarios. Can Dasilva play centre back? If Fox leaves we would need a player who can play left vack and centre back |
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 13, 2023 13:17:05 GMT
No but a certain E Peters at West Brom can and does. We can see for ourselves on Saturday. Jay de Silva looks the best of the 'free" transfers in the summer, certainly a notch up from Ryan Manning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 13:28:09 GMT
He has been an Ok squad player for us .
Unfortunately, while AN and Ricky Martin have a fair idea who is being signed up for next season, we are guessing.
If we assume sterling, hoever and Charlie cresswell are signing for Stoke , then I guess Fox is on his way.
If they are not, which might well be the case , then fox is handy to have around.
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Post by idle on Apr 13, 2023 13:56:22 GMT
My take is that the standard is definitely worse, and have been declining for a few seasons in a row. Mostly because of the increasing gap between wages in the PL and the rest of the pyramid, so that players would rather sit on the bench or get loaned out from a PL team than sign for CS teams. Plus the fact that work permits after brexit are almost impossible to get for Championship teams, except for the top clubs with parachute payments. I want Fox to sign a 1 year contract, with a 1 yr extension if he plays more than say 20 games. He's been as good as we could have expected him to be, and we'd be hard pressed to find backup players that are equally versatile. I gave it a like even though I don't like the last paragraph. Sign a player with a future, mediocre players of his age group just aren't something that you need at any club. If we can find a player or two that can fill Fox' role as backup for two or three positions, I agree. But that is a big if, and we have more important holes to plug IMO. |
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