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Post by ted1965 on Feb 5, 2023 8:57:05 GMT
We have 17 games left in which we need a minimum of 17 points to ensure we are starting whatever rebuilding takes place in the Championship we can’t afford to begin another rebuilding outside the Championship because as many clubs including ourselves have found there is no magic route to success.
The transfer window closed and as expected Harry was sold on the very last day, that is so stoke city. If anyone believed the story that he was injured I have a bridge to sell you. The part I didn’t consider, we would then bring in players who unlike Harry were injured and unable to play for at least 2 of those vital 18 games that were left.
If both play at least 15 of the last 17 games and make the difference required then nobody will care, however if for some reason they don’t play that many games as these niggling injuries turn out to be harder to resolve then fundamental questions need to be asked. If a player gets injured while playing then that’s tough but if you sign them injured and then they fail to play enough games then I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone about we didn’t have much time and had to get people in at the last minute, we knew Harry was leaving after the World Cup.
None of that matters for now we as a collective, players, management and supporters have to come together to get those 17 points so we can at least start the rebuild in the Championship. The defence still look error prone and hopefully the new keeper can add some stability once he works with them in training and Axel is declared fit and Taylor is back in contention. We need Pearson to be fit also to protect the back 4 or5.
I do believe we have just about enough but that is more because I believe there are 3 clubs worse than us but don’t press me to name them right now. If those new players do come into the side and make a real difference then I think we will reach 50 points comfortably but this is Stoke City and knowing our planning it will go to the very last few games.
I can assure AN that supporters won’t stand for him suddenly announcing in this week’s press conference that Axel and Ben are a little further away from full fitness than we thought and we are not winning games he will find that good will among supporters might dwindle very fast.
In a relegation fight and that’s what we are in if players come in they need to be out on the pitch making a difference good or bad what we don’t need is a few more spectators just watching
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Post by werrington on Feb 5, 2023 9:02:01 GMT
Another rebuild ….every window since relegation wether it be summer or winter the board back the manager and we sit back and think “wow this is a squad” and eagerly anticipate seeing it in action only to quickly see it evaporate before our eyes
Aint life grand
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 5, 2023 9:10:14 GMT
The transfer window closed and as expected Harry was sold on the very last day, that is so stoke city. If anyone believed the story that he was injured I have a bridge to sell you. Kerch bridge on fire, Alex Niel is terrified
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Post by iamstokie on Feb 5, 2023 9:19:50 GMT
I’m really doubtful that I trust Neil to do the rebuild
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Post by stokemark on Feb 5, 2023 9:22:48 GMT
The injury to Connor Taylor makes the failure to secure a fit centre half all the more baffling. Loaning Flint out (as limited as he is) when knowing Souttar was more than likely to leave another short sighted decision.
Neil's comments about lack of a focal point after yesterdays game were also quite bizarre - we let plenty leave in the window so why on earth not seek to address that obvious deficiency.
You get the sense that we are now feeding at the very bottom of the food chain - we wanted Bentley, got Sarkic wanted Cresswell, got Tuanzebe.
The number of loans is an utter farce in itself and with the injury to Tymon could mean that we are having to leave two of them out of the match day squad when there are glaring holes in key positions.
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Post by robrigo on Feb 5, 2023 9:55:55 GMT
Good post Ted.
The planning, on the surface, appears atrocious. Souttar was always going to go. And you are right, I didn’t expect his replacement to be injured. It will be interesting to see how many weeks it will be until we see Axel start. We are in a relegation battle here, and we needed players to be able to immediately make an impact and not to be in the physio room. Staggering and perplexing!
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 5, 2023 9:59:09 GMT
The next 3 are all very winable. 7 or more and we can plan for summer
4 or less and its squeaky bum time
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 10:03:52 GMT
Another rebuild ….every window since relegation wether it be summer or window the board back the manager and we sit back and think “wow this is a squad” and eagerly anticipate seeing it in action only to quickly see it evaporate before our eyes Aint life grand This is exactly why I was saying the other week that I simply cannot get excited anymore about any players we sign, because within a few weeks of any players being here they turn to dogshit like the rest. It's depressing the fuck out of me being a Stoke fan lately.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 5, 2023 10:04:47 GMT
In fairness whoever was in charge, this summer was always going to be the great reset when the last remaining big earners from the Rowett/Jones days have finally gone (Clucas) or renegotiated new terms (Powell).
But unless we get out recruitment right and ensure the manager has a balanced squad we could just be pissing in the wind…..
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Post by David Brent on Feb 5, 2023 10:30:33 GMT
Every summer it’s a rebuild and every summer we fuck it up
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Post by march4 on Feb 5, 2023 10:40:10 GMT
Every summer it’s a rebuild and every summer we fuck it up This summer will be like the one when we were first relegated. We will have cash to compete with everyone apart from the relegated clubs (especially if Soton and Everton are two of them). So this is especially vital. I presume we will be mindful this time of the trap FFP sets in future.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 5, 2023 10:55:29 GMT
I am reaching the point where I am having doubts about Neil, just don't see him as a manager to get our club going, seems he has landed a nice contract but not injected anything fresh in terms of organisation or pattern of play into the squad and I really fear for any of our young players progressing whilst he is here .
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Post by werrington on Feb 5, 2023 11:39:32 GMT
Every summer it’s a rebuild and every summer we fuck it up This summer will be like the one when we were first relegated. We will have cash to compete with everyone apart from the relegated clubs (especially if Soton and Everton are two of them). So this is especially vital. I presume we will be mindful this time of the trap FFP sets in future. I’m not bothered about the cash March I want the best players not the expensive ones….we’ve been down that road since we got relegated It’s about the buying right player not necessarily seasoned expensive ones
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 5, 2023 11:45:30 GMT
Great post again, Ted.
We have needed so many rebuilds we should be on Homes Under The Fucking Hammer and not The Championship highlights. Indeed, I'd trust Dion Dublin to score more goals than our strikers.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 5, 2023 11:46:08 GMT
If we spend loads of money this summer then we have not learned one thing from our relegation.
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Post by knype on Feb 5, 2023 11:51:19 GMT
Another rebuild ….every window since relegation wether it be summer or window the board back the manager and we sit back and think “wow this is a squad” and eagerly anticipate seeing it in action only to quickly see it evaporate before our eyes Aint life grand Keep changing managers, keep rebuilding
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Feb 5, 2023 11:56:13 GMT
This is our first opportunity to properly rebuild. Having so many out if contract should be a real blessing. Lots of work to do, but no dead wood left to hold us back - I hope
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Post by iamstokie on Feb 5, 2023 13:59:53 GMT
Another rebuild ….every window since relegation wether it be summer or window the board back the manager and we sit back and think “wow this is a squad” and eagerly anticipate seeing it in action only to quickly see it evaporate before our eyes Aint life grand Keep changing managers, keep rebuilding We should stop employing shit managers then
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Feb 5, 2023 14:08:37 GMT
17 points looks a big ask looking at the fixtures we have some really tough away games coming up.
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Post by stokie1947 on Feb 5, 2023 14:25:48 GMT
rebuild after rebuild after rebuild we are a shit team going nowhere
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 5, 2023 14:28:55 GMT
Keep changing managers, keep rebuilding We should stop employing shit managers then Or maybe just not allow the football side to be totally driven by them…
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Post by milky on Feb 5, 2023 14:32:06 GMT
Keep changing managers, keep rebuilding We should stop employing shit managers then Or show some kind of imagination when recruiting one . These owners wouldn't have touched Kompany or Carrick in a million years.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 5, 2023 15:05:53 GMT
I do think the rebuild this summer will be less random and more focused bringing better players and give us a better squad balance.. I think Neil will also bring in players with something closer to the DNA we want our players to have..
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 5, 2023 15:12:02 GMT
I do think the rebuild this summer will be less random and more focused bringing better players and give us a better squad balance.. I think Neil will also bring in players with something closer to the DNA we want our players to have.. Also think the other praise of kompany and Carrick is to early.. If kompany can keep Burnley playing this fast attacking football in the prem then fair play he deserves the credit.. but as likely they will spend 70% next season without the ball. Yes Carrick has had a great start with the players he inherited...give him a preseason and a full season before we cast judgement...remember how well oli did at man utd initially..then it fell away. In Neil we trust....and hope.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 5, 2023 15:15:14 GMT
I do think the rebuild this summer will be less random and more focused bringing better players and give us a better squad balance.. I think Neil will also bring in players with something closer to the DNA we want our players to have.. Also think the other praise of kompany and Carrick is to early.. If kompany can keep Burnley playing this fast attacking football in the prem then fair play he deserves the credit.. but as likely they will spend 70% next season without the ball. Yes Carrick has had a great start with the players he inherited...give him a preseason and a full season before we cast judgement...remember how well oli did at man utd initially..then it fell away. In Neil we trust....and hope. Carrick did an excellent job as a coach at Man Utd, his short caretaker spell there went well, and the players he inherited certainly weren’t doing it for Wilder. He’s the real deal.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 5, 2023 15:22:36 GMT
Also think the other praise of kompany and Carrick is to early.. If kompany can keep Burnley playing this fast attacking football in the prem then fair play he deserves the credit.. but as likely they will spend 70% next season without the ball. Yes Carrick has had a great start with the players he inherited...give him a preseason and a full season before we cast judgement...remember how well oli did at man utd initially..then it fell away. In Neil we trust....and hope. Carrick did an excellent job as a coach at Man Utd, his short caretaker spell there went well, and the players he inherited certainly weren’t doing it for Wilder. He’s the real deal. I hope he is the real deal as I want good young British managers to do well as that Longterm benefits the national team. I do think carrick's done well, as oli did well and got a response from the players following an unhappy dressing room under mourihno. But it's to early to say he's the real deal..as I said give him a couple transfer windows, preseason next season if he maintains this form then great.. but 1 swallow doesn't mean its spring.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 5, 2023 15:23:46 GMT
Carrick did an excellent job as a coach at Man Utd, his short caretaker spell there went well, and the players he inherited certainly weren’t doing it for Wilder. He’s the real deal. I hope he is the real deal as I want good young British managers to do well as that Longterm benefits the national team. I do think carrick's done well, as oli did well and got a response from the players following an unhappy dressing room under mourihno. But it's to early to say he's the real deal..as I said give him a couple transfer windows, preseason next season if he maintains this form then great.. but 1 swallow doesn't mean its spring. It isn’t one swallow though, it’s at least three, that’s my point. I thought Solskjaer was never entirely convincing there tbh.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 5, 2023 15:38:51 GMT
I hope he is the real deal as I want good young British managers to do well as that Longterm benefits the national team. I do think carrick's done well, as oli did well and got a response from the players following an unhappy dressing room under mourihno. But it's to early to say he's the real deal..as I said give him a couple transfer windows, preseason next season if he maintains this form then great.. but 1 swallow doesn't mean its spring. It isn’t one swallow though, it’s at least three, that’s my point. I thought Solskjaer was never entirely convincing there tbh. Time will tell. Hope your right. 👍
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Post by milky on Feb 5, 2023 15:48:43 GMT
Carrick did an excellent job as a coach at Man Utd, his short caretaker spell there went well, and the players he inherited certainly weren’t doing it for Wilder. He’s the real deal. I hope he is the real deal as I want good young British managers to do well as that Longterm benefits the national team. I do think carrick's done well, as oli did well and got a response from the players following an unhappy dressing room under mourihno. But it's to early to say he's the real deal..as I said give him a couple transfer windows, preseason next season if he maintains this form then great.. but 1 swallow doesn't mean its spring. Whether he can maintain or not ( and its looking like he has the tools to ) doesn't alter the fact that if,hypothetically, it was a 2 horse race between Carrick and Bruce you know exactly which one our owners would have chosen.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Feb 5, 2023 15:49:57 GMT
It doesn’t feel like a relegation battle to me.
I think we’ll survive comfortably with no real worries.
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