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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 20, 2023 18:05:19 GMT
Think he'll get knocked out of Wimbledon in the first few rounds and call it a day. He should do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2023 18:27:42 GMT
Think he'll get knocked out of Wimbledon in the first few rounds and call it a day. He should do. Ye Iām starting to think that way. I donāt see him retiring this year though unless another major injury. Maybe heāll retire at Wimbledon in a yearās time? Definitely tough to see him look so good in the challenger events then just pulverised in a 500 vs a guy who, whilst super solid and athletic, is still quite limited himself when he comes up against the top top guys. Would still like to see Murray win at tour level before he retires. Heās been in a few ATP finals since coming back so itās not beyond the realms. But any fairytale of winning a slam/1k again seems impossible. You watch top guys playing against each other and itās almost a different sport to the one Murray is playing at this point sadly.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 20, 2023 19:24:38 GMT
Think he'll get knocked out of Wimbledon in the first few rounds and call it a day. He should do. Ye Iām starting to think that way. I donāt see him retiring this year though unless another major injury. Maybe heāll retire at Wimbledon in a yearās time? Definitely tough to see him look so good in the challenger events then just pulverised in a 500 vs a guy who, whilst super solid and athletic, is still quite limited himself when he comes up against the top top guys. Would still like to see Murray win at tour level before he retires. Heās been in a few ATP finals since coming back so itās not beyond the realms. But any fairytale of winning a slam/1k again seems impossible. You watch top guys playing against each other and itās almost a different sport to the one Murray is playing at this point sadly. Yes, as long as he's still finding it fun and feels competitive I guess he'll carry on. Thing is I don't think he is competitive any more and never really will be again, and that's probably what most people watching and many of his competitors think too. But it's his choice obviously! It's been great to have a Brit capable of winning slams and those two Wimbledons, especially the first against Djokovic, were superb. Plus he won two Olympic tennis singles gold medals. Not bad! When you think about it, it's really only England's football team that is consistently underwhelming/under-achieving: rugby, cricket, tennis, cycling, Olympic sports - we've produced our fair share of winners in all of those areas latterly but the football always finds a way to disappoint!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 0:24:59 GMT
Ye Iām starting to think that way. I donāt see him retiring this year though unless another major injury. Maybe heāll retire at Wimbledon in a yearās time? Definitely tough to see him look so good in the challenger events then just pulverised in a 500 vs a guy who, whilst super solid and athletic, is still quite limited himself when he comes up against the top top guys. Would still like to see Murray win at tour level before he retires. Heās been in a few ATP finals since coming back so itās not beyond the realms. But any fairytale of winning a slam/1k again seems impossible. You watch top guys playing against each other and itās almost a different sport to the one Murray is playing at this point sadly. Yes, as long as he's still finding it fun and feels competitive I guess he'll carry on. Thing is I don't think he is competitive any more and never really will be again, and that's probably what most people watching and many of his competitors think too. But it's his choice obviously! Itās a tough one because he can still be competitive on his day. Eg he beat Berretini at a slam this year. Heās had some excellent wins vs top rated young players since his comeback. Has even made a few tour level finals. But at this stage heās also highly prone to days like today where he simply looks out of his depth. At his peak he obviously had bad days too (always a guy who had to produce a lot of comebacks throughout his career) but he could always rely on his insane physicality back then to grind his way out of the shit. Now however he no longer has the physicality to match the top 20 guys, so if heās playing badly heās got nothing to fall back on. Itās hard to consistently win when that is the reality, at least at higher level. Heās shown he can smash the challenger tour at least, but today just looked like too much of a shock to the system. And then the guy he lost to today (and is 0-4 vs) got absolutely annihilated at the Aus open by Djokovic. It shows there are serious levels to tennis and also makes it all the more remarkable that Murray was so far ahead of everyone other than the big 3 for so long.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 21, 2023 1:23:05 GMT
Ye Iām starting to think that way. I donāt see him retiring this year though unless another major injury. Maybe heāll retire at Wimbledon in a yearās time? Definitely tough to see him look so good in the challenger events then just pulverised in a 500 vs a guy who, whilst super solid and athletic, is still quite limited himself when he comes up against the top top guys. Would still like to see Murray win at tour level before he retires. Heās been in a few ATP finals since coming back so itās not beyond the realms. But any fairytale of winning a slam/1k again seems impossible. You watch top guys playing against each other and itās almost a different sport to the one Murray is playing at this point sadly. Yes, as long as he's still finding it fun and feels competitive I guess he'll carry on. Thing is I don't think he is competitive any more and never really will be again, and that's probably what most people watching and many of his competitors think too. But it's his choice obviously! It's been great to have a Brit capable of winning slams and those two Wimbledons, especially the first against Djokovic, were superb. Plus he won two Olympic tennis singles gold medals. Not bad! When you think about it, it's really only England's football team that is consistently underwhelming/under-achieving: rugby, cricket, tennis, cycling, Olympic sports - we've produced our fair share of winners in all of those areas latterly but the football always finds a way to disappoint! Donāt forget the US open, that was pretty incredible as well
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 21, 2023 19:33:12 GMT
Yes, as long as he's still finding it fun and feels competitive I guess he'll carry on. Thing is I don't think he is competitive any more and never really will be again, and that's probably what most people watching and many of his competitors think too. But it's his choice obviously! It's been great to have a Brit capable of winning slams and those two Wimbledons, especially the first against Djokovic, were superb. Plus he won two Olympic tennis singles gold medals. Not bad! When you think about it, it's really only England's football team that is consistently underwhelming/under-achieving: rugby, cricket, tennis, cycling, Olympic sports - we've produced our fair share of winners in all of those areas latterly but the football always finds a way to disappoint! Donāt forget the US open, that was pretty incredible as well Yes, that really opened the door and made you feel he might actually win Wimbledon!
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Post by knype on Jun 21, 2023 19:42:16 GMT
Let's hope he gets knocked out 1st game and retires
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 20:19:17 GMT
Let's hope he gets knocked out 1st game and retires Ye we get it mate. You donāt like Murray Cus he made an England/Scotland joke once.
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Post by knype on Jun 21, 2023 20:46:22 GMT
Let's hope he gets knocked out 1st game and retires Ye we get it mate. You donāt like Murray Cus he made an England/Scotland joke once. Yeah I get it mate. He's a dour prick
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jun 21, 2023 20:58:50 GMT
No time for him after his previous comments. He's a Scottish sportsman as far as I'm concerned (and him). Slates us and then expects support from the Wimbledon faithful. Fuck him but wish him no harm. My feelings towards him are similar to Arnie. Make your bed, lie in it.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 21, 2023 21:08:22 GMT
Donāt forget the US open, that was pretty incredible as well Yes, that really opened the door and made you feel he might actually win Wimbledon! Also easy to forget he made 8 other slam finals, losing them all to either Fed or Djoko. Thatās another thing that sets him apart from the Wawrinkas etc, who made only a couple of finals but managed to win them both
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 22, 2023 10:38:01 GMT
I think heās been quite unfortunate actually, both his era (competing vs inarguably the 3 greatest male players of all time) but also his injuries record. Heās always been injury prone; which is a consequence of his play style (defensive grinder) alongside maybe not quite being as natural an athlete/tennis player specifically than the aforementioned 3. Heās slightly taller than those 3 and maybe thatās contributed to the back and hip injuries over time. Murray has always suffered with injury setbacks but the cruellest was the breakdown of his body from 2017 onwards after he had achieved year end #1. Ironically, he pushed himself insanely hard in 2016 to make it to #1 and I canāt help but suspect that, had he not done that (or fallen early in some of those tournaments and not achieved that) then his body may have held up for longer and maybe he wouldāve won more slams in 2017 onwards? Judging a player by slams only is a slightly unfair measure but itās what many people look at. You even hear insane arguments online that Murray and Wawrinka are equal because they both have 3 slams; an argument that even Wawrinka has called ridiculous. 1x masters 1k vs 14 (fourteen) masters 1ks. Two Olympic singles gold. Year end #1 in the era of the big 3. Year end championships. Many more titles at 250-500 level. As difficult an argument it is to make (especially when you get into the murky waters of comparing eras) I think I would be willing to argue Murray is top 10 male players of all time. Comfortably. Iām just sad he never got to 5-8 slams which I think would be much closer to representing his true greatness. I agree in another era he could have won many more grand slams....... I'm not so sure - maybe one or two, but Murray is probably better because he's played in such a great era. It's impossible to say though, but I'm fine with the argument he might be a top 10 male player of all time. For 18 years, it was only Murray who reached world number 1 outside of Federer, Djokovic, and Nadal. The timing of his injury at world number 1 was unfortunate, as that's when I thought he'd go on to win more grand slams, especially with the other 3 having injuries too. It's odd to see folk writing Murray off because of one loss though. He's probably knackered from his recent runs and is at his highest world ranking for years. Hopefully another couple of years left in him yet. I could see Murray going on to mentor/coach younger players (which he does a bit of already). He could be a big inspiration and support to Emma Radacanu given her issues with injury.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 11:43:17 GMT
Yes, that really opened the door and made you feel he might actually win Wimbledon! Also easy to forget he made 8 other slam finals, losing them all to either Fed or Djoko. Thatās another thing that sets him apart from the Wawrinkas etc, who made only a couple of finals but managed to win them both Wawrinka reached 4 slam finals and won 3 I believe. He was a guy capable of catching lightning in a bottle and when he was truly in the zone he was seemingly unstoppable. Also his first slam at the Aus open was massively helped by Nadal getting injured IIRC. Maybe if heād not won that match then the other slams might never have followed. Very good/entertaining player but the guys on the internet making arguments that him and Murray are equal (or even that Wawrinka is better because his absolute peak was so absurd) are badly wrong IMO.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 22, 2023 18:08:26 GMT
Also easy to forget he made 8 other slam finals, losing them all to either Fed or Djoko. Thatās another thing that sets him apart from the Wawrinkas etc, who made only a couple of finals but managed to win them both Wawrinka reached 4 slam finals and won 3 I believe. He was a guy capable of catching lightning in a bottle and when he was truly in the zone he was seemingly unstoppable. Also his first slam at the Aus open was massively helped by Nadal getting injured IIRC. Maybe if heād not won that match then the other slams might never have followed. Very good/entertaining player but the guys on the internet making arguments that him and Murray are equal (or even that Wawrinka is better because his absolute peak was so absurd) are badly wrong IMO. I haven't seen those internet discussions but I must admit, I did kind of have Murray and Wawrinka down as roughly equals, probably on the basis of those three slam wins each, but looking at their overall stats Murray's are far superior. It'd be nice to think Norrie can develop into a solid top ten player and really challenge, but I don't think he's quite got it. Which is a shame because, at the moment, there's no-one other than Djokovic to really worry about. It's Djokovic then a lot of very similar standard players, Alcaraz being the pick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 20:38:41 GMT
Wawrinka reached 4 slam finals and won 3 I believe. He was a guy capable of catching lightning in a bottle and when he was truly in the zone he was seemingly unstoppable. Also his first slam at the Aus open was massively helped by Nadal getting injured IIRC. Maybe if heād not won that match then the other slams might never have followed. Very good/entertaining player but the guys on the internet making arguments that him and Murray are equal (or even that Wawrinka is better because his absolute peak was so absurd) are badly wrong IMO. I haven't seen those internet discussions but I must admit, I did kind of have Murray and Wawrinka down as roughly equals, probably on the basis of those three slam wins each, but looking at their overall stats Murray's are far superior. It'd be nice to think Norrie can develop into a solid top ten player and really challenge, but I don't think he's quite got it. Which is a shame because, at the moment, there's no-one other than Djokovic to really worry about. It's Djokovic then a lot of very similar standard players, Alcaraz being the pick. Yes if you look beyond the surface their careers aren't even close. It's reflected in career prize money where Murray has won almost 2x as much as Wawrinka. Alcaraz is the one player since the big 4 / big 3 eras who looks like he would've been in that group. (most likely big 4 and Murray as 5th wheel) The only thing potentially holding him back is his body is showing a concerning tendency to fail him in the biggest moments. It's a worrying sign at such a young age, but potentially something he will work his way through/grow out of. Absurdly talented. It's easy to forget but there is a graveyard of amazing talent who never won/never will win slams as a result of their careers coinciding with the big 3 + Murray. Plus a few guys who won 1 (Cilic/Del Potro/Thiem/Medvedev) of those, Del Potro is already retired, Cilic is about to turn 35, Thiem highly unfortunate with injuries and looking like he may never get back to his previous level despite only being about to turn 30, and then Medvedev turned 27 in Feb and may add to his total but even that's unlikely as his best surface is hard (where he won his slam at the US Open) but Djokovic doesn't seem to be slowing down and Alcaraz + a bunch of talented youngsters coming through.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 17:58:06 GMT
Thiem v Tsitsipas currently locked in at 2-2 to see who goes through to face Murray. Both these guys are top players, albeit Thiem is on the comeback trail from major injury and ranked low. (hence why this is a first round matchup)
Honestly, I think both these guys could blast Murray off court tomorrow (I think it'll be tomorrow?) but I'll watch in hope that he can get through and have maybe one last deep run at a major. It has to work in Murray's favour if this match goes on for as long as possible.
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Post by knype on Jul 5, 2023 18:01:01 GMT
Let's hope the dour faced twat goes out early š
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 18:01:56 GMT
Let's hope the dour faced twat goes out early š That's the spirit!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2023 18:03:32 GMT
As I get older and he gets older I do have a recently new found respect for Mr Murray. That said, I fucking hate tennis!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 18:56:48 GMT
Tsitsipas v Murray
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 5, 2023 18:57:55 GMT
Thiem v Tsitsipas currently locked in at 2-2 to see who goes through to face Murray. Both these guys are top players, albeit Thiem is on the comeback trail from major injury and ranked low. (hence why this is a first round matchup) Honestly, I think both these guys could blast Murray off court tomorrow (I think it'll be tomorrow?) but I'll watch in hope that he can get through and have maybe one last deep run at a major. It has to work in Murray's favour if this match goes on for as long as possible. To beat a real top player now Murray would need to be totally on his game and they would need to be off the pace. Itās sheer determination and bloody mindedness that have made him competitive still even if heās now one of the chasing pack. I admire the fact that he keeps playing the sport he loves when many would have just called it a day after major surgeryā¦..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 19:04:43 GMT
Thiem v Tsitsipas currently locked in at 2-2 to see who goes through to face Murray. Both these guys are top players, albeit Thiem is on the comeback trail from major injury and ranked low. (hence why this is a first round matchup) Honestly, I think both these guys could blast Murray off court tomorrow (I think it'll be tomorrow?) but I'll watch in hope that he can get through and have maybe one last deep run at a major. It has to work in Murray's favour if this match goes on for as long as possible. To beat a real top player now Murray would need to be totally on his game and they would need to be off the pace. Itās sheer determination and bloody mindedness that have made him competitive still even if heās now one of the chasing pack. I admire the fact that he keeps playing the sport he loves when many would have just called it a day after major surgeryā¦.. I agree, it'll be incredibly tough. If you offered me just a good battle right now, saying nothing about the result, I'd take it. FWIW they played at the US Open a couple of years back and it went the distance. Also, Tsitsipas is someone who can get rattled. He lost his mind against Kyrgios at wimbledon last year and probably should've been disqualified for deliberately hitting the ball into the crowd. It'll be a far more partisan crowd this time so maybe it could work in Murray's favour.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2023 19:10:36 GMT
To beat a real top player now Murray would need to be totally on his game and they would need to be off the pace. Itās sheer determination and bloody mindedness that have made him competitive still even if heās now one of the chasing pack. I admire the fact that he keeps playing the sport he loves when many would have just called it a day after major surgeryā¦.. I agree, it'll be incredibly tough. If you offered me just a good battle right now, saying nothing about the result, I'd take it. FWIW they played at the US Open a couple of years back and it went the distance. Also, Tsitsipas is someone who can get rattled. He lost his mind against Kyrgios at wimbledon last year and probably should've been disqualified for deliberately hitting the ball into the crowd. It'll be a far more partisan crowd this time so maybe it could work in Murray's favour. Now that guy is a grade A bellend. Come on Andy do it for Britain. Of course if he loses heāll be back to being a plucky Scottish loserš
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 20:27:41 GMT
I agree, it'll be incredibly tough. If you offered me just a good battle right now, saying nothing about the result, I'd take it. FWIW they played at the US Open a couple of years back and it went the distance. Also, Tsitsipas is someone who can get rattled. He lost his mind against Kyrgios at wimbledon last year and probably should've been disqualified for deliberately hitting the ball into the crowd. It'll be a far more partisan crowd this time so maybe it could work in Murray's favour. Now that guy is a grade A bellend. Come on Andy do it for Britain. Of course if he loses heāll be back to being a plucky Scottish loserš Ye Tsitsipas isnāt well liked. If you fast forward to the handshake from that USO match it was cold. Some controversy that Tsitsipas had taken some lengthy toilet breaks when behind and struggling and that it was gamesmanship. Although to be fair he said some nice things at the end of his match today, so maybe it wonāt be a grudge match. Hopefully even if Murray loses itāll be blockbuster and tight, as opposed to just getting blasted off court which is definitely a possibility I have to admit. Itās the 3rd match on centre court tomorrow and Iām guessing from looking at the preceding matches it will start maybe 6:30-7pm. It could be a late one although I believe it canāt go past 11pm.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 6, 2023 0:13:05 GMT
Let's hope the dour faced twat goes out early š
Why?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2023 8:37:31 GMT
Let's hope the dour faced twat goes out early š
Why? He cracked a joke about the England football team 12 years ago apparently, it's still rankles.....
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Post by knype on Jul 6, 2023 8:40:58 GMT
Let's hope the dour faced twat goes out early š Why? Because I cannot stand him, one of the most bland sportsmen ever!
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Post by knype on Jul 6, 2023 8:41:28 GMT
Why? He cracked a joke about the England football team 12 years ago apparently, it's still rankles..... Yep, he did, that isn't why though
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 6, 2023 10:57:55 GMT
Why? Because I cannot stand him, one of the most bland sportsmen ever! You cannot stand somebody because they are 'bland'? Good grief, it doesn't take much to get in your bad books does it? I don't expect to see Harry Kane on the next episode of QI but I'm not going to hate him for it. He's good at sport FFS.
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Post by knype on Jul 6, 2023 11:30:03 GMT
Because I cannot stand him, one of the most bland sportsmen ever! You cannot stand somebody because they are 'bland'? Good grief, it doesn't take much to get in your bad books does it? I don't expect to see Harry Kane on the next episode of QI but I'm not going to hate him for it. He's good at sport FFS. Kane is also Bland, don't like him either.
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