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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 21:15:28 GMT
Impressive 6-4, 6-2 demolition of Dan Evans by young Englishman Jack Draper. If Murray gets through, that's who he'll face. Will be a fascinating clash if it happens.
Draper is 21, left handed, and looks like he's destined for big things. Could see him breaking into the top 20 and even the top 10. I expect he'll be the one the whole country is cheering on at Wimbledon once the old guard retire.
Henman Hill
Murray Mound
Draper's ?
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 12, 2023 6:06:43 GMT
Impressive 6-4, 6-2 demolition of Dan Evans by young Englishman Jack Draper. If Murray gets through, that's who he'll face. Will be a fascinating clash if it happens. Draper is 21, left handed, and looks like he's destined for big things. Could see him breaking into the top 20 and even the top 10. I expect he'll be the one the whole country is cheering on at Wimbledon once the old guard retire. Henman Hill Murray Mound Draper's ? Dump. 🙂
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Post by kingdong on Mar 12, 2023 6:08:39 GMT
Impressive 6-4, 6-2 demolition of Dan Evans by young Englishman Jack Draper. If Murray gets through, that's who he'll face. Will be a fascinating clash if it happens. Draper is 21, left handed, and looks like he's destined for big things. Could see him breaking into the top 20 and even the top 10. I expect he'll be the one the whole country is cheering on at Wimbledon once the old guard retire. Henman Hill Murray Mound Draper's ? Tools…
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 7:53:31 GMT
Murray is out. 😥
Jack Draper looks a future top 20 (maybe even top 10) player. Mainly just needs to become more consistent but he has big weapons. Definitely one to watch as he’s only 21 and, with the weapons he has, he’s the kind of player who will be able to produce some deep runs at big tournaments.
Can’t see him getting past Alcaraz in the next round though. Alcaraz is the one guy of all the newer generation who will probably get into double digit slams IMO.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 14, 2023 12:57:36 GMT
England 2-0 Scotland 😉
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 12:30:59 GMT
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Post by foster on Mar 21, 2023 16:56:39 GMT
Personally, I never liked Murray. The day he came out with the Scottish flag did it for me.
Fair enough, but don't then pretend that you consider yourself British just to drum up some faux support.
You're Scottish, I'm English, so I will support everyone else other than you, as the Scots/Irish/Welsh/Australian/Commonwealth do to the English.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 18:42:33 GMT
Personally, I never liked Murray. The day he came out with the Scottish flag did it for me. Fair enough, but don't then pretend that you consider yourself British just to drum up some faux support. You're Scottish, I'm English, so I will support everyone else other than you, as the Scots/Irish/Welsh/Australian/Commonwealth do to the English. When did this happen?
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Post by foster on Mar 21, 2023 18:46:51 GMT
Personally, I never liked Murray. The day he came out with the Scottish flag did it for me. Fair enough, but don't then pretend that you consider yourself British just to drum up some faux support. You're Scottish, I'm English, so I will support everyone else other than you, as the Scots/Irish/Welsh/Australian/Commonwealth do to the English. When did this happen? When he started out and got some success. He took a lot of shit for it at the time.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 21, 2023 18:48:54 GMT
When he started out and got some success. He took a lot of shit for it at the time. It’s alright mate he got his arse handed to him on a plate by an Englishman at the US open😉
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 18:50:49 GMT
When he started out and got some success. He took a lot of shit for it at the time. It’s alright mate he got his arse handed to him on a plate by an Englishman at the US open😉 Indian wells. Jack Draper is a handy young player but Murray at the same age wouldn’t have broken sweat in beating him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 21, 2023 18:52:52 GMT
It’s alright mate he got his arse handed to him on a plate by an Englishman at the US open😉 Indian wells. Jack Draper is a handy young player but Murray at the same age wouldn’t have broken sweat in beating him. Yes that was it sorry
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 8:24:45 GMT
Disappointing first round loss in Miami. Very poor performance at a tournament he’s historically loved (2x wins 2x runner up)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 11:17:52 GMT
After 2x atrocious performances to start his clay court season, Murray has only gone and won a title - coming from a set down (of course) to beat top 20 ranked Tommy Paul.
It's "only" a challenger 125, but still...so happy for him to get his hands on some silverware. Hopefully he can have a nice run at the french (very good chance this is the last time he ever plays it) but aside from that, hopefully this is a platform for getting a few more ATP titles under his belt before he calls it a day. And of course a bit of form going into the grass court season and wimbledon.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 8, 2023 11:28:31 GMT
Great result for Murray
To be playing and winning with all his injuries is an incredible achievement. Top bloke.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 12:47:15 GMT
This is the happiest I've ever seen him look.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 20:01:40 GMT
Won the Surbiton challenger event today. Obviously djokovic’s extraordinary achievement will rightly overshadow, but Murray is still there on the periphery battling away. It was his first UK grass court trophy since Wimbledon 2016 incredibly!
If Murray is to win another atp level title then grass is surely his best shot. It’s a surface that suits him well. One attribute that hasn’t diminished much compared to others is his returns. So he takes away one of the biggest weapons you can possess on grass. And then his serving has never been a noticeable strength, but he gets an extra bit of pop which is vital for him to win more free points given his condition.
It would be awesome if he could have deep runs at queens/Wimbledon this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 10:51:30 GMT
Murray is in the Nottingham semis today. I have to say he is playing as well as I’ve seen since returning from injury. Definitely worth checking out the highlight reels.
In the other semi is Kei Nishikori so it could be a juicy final if they both get through. Nishikori another older player (33) on the comeback trail after major surgery. It’s only a challenger 125 but winning becomes a habit and it feels like Murray is starting to gradually rebuild his aura; albeit in lower divisions.
If he wins this tournament it will be fascinating to see how he performs at Queens, which is an ATP 500 so a huge step up in quality. That tournament looks absolutely stacked this year. Mini Wimbledon. But it’s a tournament Murray has loved, with a staggering 6 titles there!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 11:35:53 GMT
Murray won Nottingham btw. It wasn’t vs Nishikori though; I was mistaken and Nishikori was playing a different challenger event.
At Queens which is an ATP 500, he’s got a tricky matchup vs De Minaur, who thrashed him on clay at the Monte Carlo masters recently. Murray looked like an amateur that day. It’ll be interesting to see if he can get through and have a positive run at queens. I’d say that will provide a strong indication of his chances of having a (relatively) deep run at Wimbledon.
De Minaur is incredibly quick and athletic. It’ll be tough for Murray and a huge step up in class, but if he can get through and looks as good as he has in these lower level tournaments of late then I’ll start getting excited.
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Post by moon on Jun 19, 2023 11:55:25 GMT
Personally, I never liked Murray. The day he came out with the Scottish flag did it for me. Fair enough, but don't then pretend that you consider yourself British just to drum up some faux support. You're Scottish, I'm English, so I will support everyone else other than you, as the Scots/Irish/Welsh/Australian/Commonwealth do to the English. He's both Scottish and British, and he's been seen with both flags on many occassions. He also happens to be one of the greatest tennis players ever to come from these isles, and he's been successful in a time when he's has to compete with the 3 greatest players ever to have played the mens game.
If you choose not to like somebody purely because they come from the country next door that's up to you, it's all a bit pathetic for me though. It must be a real joy to watch the Olympics with you.
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Post by foster on Jun 19, 2023 12:51:23 GMT
Personally, I never liked Murray. The day he came out with the Scottish flag did it for me. Fair enough, but don't then pretend that you consider yourself British just to drum up some faux support. You're Scottish, I'm English, so I will support everyone else other than you, as the Scots/Irish/Welsh/Australian/Commonwealth do to the English. He's both Scottish and British, and he's been seen with both flags on many occassions. He also happens to be one of the greatest tennis players ever to come from these isles, and he's been successful in a time when he's has to compete with the 3 greatest players ever to have played the mens game.
If you choose not to like somebody purely because they come from the country next door that's up to you, it's all a bit pathetic for me though. It must be a real joy to watch the Olympics with you.
Nice to have the number 1 Murray fan on. Though you did entirely miss the point I was making in that when he started out he used the Scottish flag and then switched to British once it suited him. Also, why support Scots when they support everyone else over the English. It's how it is. For me, it's like supporting Port Vale. Anyway, I don't like Murray. Never have, never will. If you want to wet your knickers and send a completely unnecessary personal retort then that's your issue. I'm just glad I'll never have to watch the Olympics with you.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 19, 2023 12:57:55 GMT
Personally, I never liked Murray. The day he came out with the Scottish flag did it for me. Fair enough, but don't then pretend that you consider yourself British just to drum up some faux support. You're Scottish, I'm English, so I will support everyone else other than you, as the Scots/Irish/Welsh/Australian/Commonwealth do to the English. He's both Scottish and British, and he's been seen with both flags on many occassions. He also happens to be one of the greatest tennis players ever to come from these isles, and he's been successful in a time when he's has to compete with the 3 greatest players ever to have played the mens game.
If you choose not to like somebody purely because they come from the country next door that's up to you, it's all a bit pathetic for me though. It must be a real joy to watch the Olympics with you.
One of the greatest ever sportsmen not just tennis player........
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Post by foster on Jun 19, 2023 13:04:18 GMT
He's both Scottish and British, and he's been seen with both flags on many occassions. He also happens to be one of the greatest tennis players ever to come from these isles, and he's been successful in a time when he's has to compete with the 3 greatest players ever to have played the mens game.
If you choose not to like somebody purely because they come from the country next door that's up to you, it's all a bit pathetic for me though. It must be a real joy to watch the Olympics with you.
One of the greatest ever sportsmen not just tennis player........ How long is your list of 'greatest ever Sportsmen' because he's not even in the top 10 of Tennis, let alone all sports in general. Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Williams, Graf, Becker, etc.
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Post by moon on Jun 19, 2023 13:18:46 GMT
One of the greatest ever sportsmen not just tennis player........ How long is your list of 'greatest ever Sportsmen' because he's not even in the top 10 of Tennis, let alone all sports in general. Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Williams, Graf, Becker, etc. I assume he was referring to British sportsmen.
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Post by foster on Jun 19, 2023 13:33:08 GMT
How long is your list of 'greatest ever Sportsmen' because he's not even in the top 10 of Tennis, let alone all sports in general. Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Williams, Graf, Becker, etc. I assume he was referring to British sportsmen. Of course he was ...or that's what he'll say now at least. Greatest British Tennis players, yes certainly, Greatest British sportsman ever... top 100 is pushing it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 19, 2023 13:58:19 GMT
One of the greatest ever sportsmen not just tennis player........ How long is your list of 'greatest ever Sportsmen' because he's not even in the top 10 of Tennis, let alone all sports in general. Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Williams, Graf, Becker, etc. From the British Isles. He wouldn't make the top 12/15 mens tennis players of all time.......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 14:32:51 GMT
How long is your list of 'greatest ever Sportsmen' because he's not even in the top 10 of Tennis, let alone all sports in general. Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Williams, Graf, Becker, etc. From the British Isles. He wouldn't make the top 12/15 mens tennis players of all time....... I think he’s been quite unfortunate actually, both his era (competing vs inarguably the 3 greatest male players of all time) but also his injuries record. He’s always been injury prone; which is a consequence of his play style (defensive grinder) alongside maybe not quite being as natural an athlete/tennis player specifically than the aforementioned 3. He’s slightly taller than those 3 and maybe that’s contributed to the back and hip injuries over time. Murray has always suffered with injury setbacks but the cruellest was the breakdown of his body from 2017 onwards after he had achieved year end #1. Ironically, he pushed himself insanely hard in 2016 to make it to #1 and I can’t help but suspect that, had he not done that (or fallen early in some of those tournaments and not achieved that) then his body may have held up for longer and maybe he would’ve won more slams in 2017 onwards? Judging a player by slams only is a slightly unfair measure but it’s what many people look at. You even hear insane arguments online that Murray and Wawrinka are equal because they both have 3 slams; an argument that even Wawrinka has called ridiculous. 1x masters 1k vs 14 (fourteen) masters 1ks. Two Olympic singles gold. Year end #1 in the era of the big 3. Year end championships. Many more titles at 250-500 level. As difficult an argument it is to make (especially when you get into the murky waters of comparing eras) I think I would be willing to argue Murray is top 10 male players of all time. Comfortably. I’m just sad he never got to 5-8 slams which I think would be much closer to representing his true greatness.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 19, 2023 14:35:49 GMT
From the British Isles. He wouldn't make the top 12/15 mens tennis players of all time....... I think he’s been quite unfortunate actually, both his era (competing vs inarguably the 3 greatest male players of all time) but also his injuries record. He’s always been injury prone; which is a consequence of his play style (defensive grinder) alongside maybe not quite being as natural an athlete/tennis player specifically than the aforementioned 3. He’s slightly taller than those 3 and maybe that’s contributed to the back and hip injuries over time. Murray has always suffered with injury setbacks but the cruellest was the breakdown of his body from 2017 onwards after he had achieved year end #1. Ironically, he pushed himself insanely hard in 2016 to make it to #1 and I can’t help but suspect that, had he not done that (or fallen early in some of those tournaments and not achieved that) then his body may have held up for longer and maybe he would’ve won more slams in 2017 onwards? Judging a player by slams only is a slightly unfair measure but it’s what many people look at. You even hear insane arguments online that Murray and Wawrinka are equal because they both have 3 slams; an argument that even Wawrinka has called ridiculous. 1x masters 1k vs 14 (fourteen) masters 1ks. Two Olympic singles gold. Year end #1 in the era of the big 3. Year end championships. Many more titles at 250-500 level. As difficult an argument it is to make (especially when you get into the murky waters of comparing eras) I think I would be willing to argue Murray is top 10 male players of all time. Comfortably. I’m just sad he never got to 5-8 slams which I think would be much closer to representing his true greatness. I agree in another era he could have won many more grand slams.......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 14:40:16 GMT
Fantastic documentary (and channel) btw for anyone interested.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2023 17:54:26 GMT
Smashed by de Minaur ðŸ˜
Disappointing to say the least. It looked ominous after the first long rally. Murray looked gassed. The step up in level so much that maybe playing a point of that intensity was too much of a shock to his system.
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