Coates

[thevoid]

Jan 1, 2023 23:03:48 GMT J-Roar said:

Jan 1, 2023 1:09:00 GMT march4 said:

More of this ridiculous witch hunt.

Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby.

I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us.

Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us.

Just because they are rich doesn't make them good owners. And just comparing them to other shit owners doesn't make them good owners.

They have mismanaged this club for years with the blips of Macari, Pulis and Hughes.

I'd be interested to see the full list of managers employed by the Family given their decades at the club, and how their successful appointments stack up against the failures.

[thevoid]

Jan 1, 2023 20:58:51 GMT retrostoke said:

Be careful what you wish for when you want the Coates family out. I’m not quite sure who is out there with money and the slightest interest in SCFC.

Crazy position to take in my opinion

Who knows what's out there should the need arise. Bournemouth have just been bought out and there were 9,000 there to greet him for his first Premier League game.

[retrostoke]

Jan 2, 2023 10:40:01 GMT thevoid said:

Jan 1, 2023 20:58:51 GMT retrostoke said:

Be careful what you wish for when you want the Coates family out. I’m not quite sure who is out there with money and the slightest interest in SCFC.

Crazy position to take in my opinion

Who knows what's out there should the need arise. Bournemouth have just been bought out and there were 9,000 there to greet him for his first Premier League game.

But will they get backed with the transfer funds available to Stoke 🤔

[Davef]

Jan 2, 2023 10:37:45 GMT thevoid said:

Jan 1, 2023 23:03:48 GMT J-Roar said:

Just because they are rich doesn't make them good owners. And just comparing them to other shit owners doesn't make them good owners.

They have mismanaged this club for years with the blips of Macari, Pulis and Hughes.

I'd be interested to see the full list of managers employed by the Family given their decades at the club, and how their successful appointments stack up against the failures.

Start with Mick Mills in June 1985, and these are all of their appointments bar Thordarson, Cotterill and Boskamp. You could perhaps argue that Pulis the first time around was an Icelandic board appointment, but I'd suggest that there was a Coates influence in that following the Burley debacle.

www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2477&teamTabs=managers

[The Toxic Avenger]

Jan 2, 2023 11:37:19 GMT retrostoke said:

Jan 2, 2023 10:40:01 GMT thevoid said:

Who knows what's out there should the need arise. Bournemouth have just been bought out and there were 9,000 there to greet him for his first Premier League game.

But will they get backed with the transfer funds available to Stoke 🤔

That doesn’t count for as much as it should if we don’t have the processes in place to help us spend it wisely though? Hasn’t that basically been what’s put us where we are now?

[thevoid]

Jan 2, 2023 11:37:19 GMT retrostoke said:

Jan 2, 2023 10:40:01 GMT thevoid said:

Who knows what's out there should the need arise. Bournemouth have just been bought out and there were 9,000 there to greet him for his first Premier League game.

But will they get backed with the transfer funds available to Stoke 🤔

Transfer funds we can't spend based on the owners short sightedness, arrogance and complacency you mean?

It's not all about money, it's also about knowing modern football and having a structure in place where managers/players can come and 'slot in', not the scattergun 'slinging mud at a wall' approach we use.
See also Brighton and Brentford.

[senojbor]

Jan 1, 2023 20:46:53 GMT retrostoke said:

Who is laughing at us 🙄

Preston for a start.
Absolute shambles of shitshow

[Rednwhitenblue]

The worst thing I can say about this club, and this should really hit home for the owners, is that I have deliberately chosen not to encourage my kids to follow Stoke City.

Shit club, constantly under-achieving and disappointing.

Why inflict that crap on them for a lifetime? I'm genuinely rather relieved that they don't give a shit, unlike myself who is sadly stuck with it, even if it's mostly a shrug of the shoulders these days at the totally expected crap that is so routinely dished up.

If only we were run by one of the richest families in the UK...perhaps then we might actually be half decent, even win a pot or two...

[fca47]

You'd think he would come to the conclusion he's not very good at picking managers and delegate to someone more knowledgeable.

[bridgnorthstokie]

Jan 2, 2023 10:40:01 GMT thevoid said:

Jan 1, 2023 20:58:51 GMT retrostoke said:

Be careful what you wish for when you want the Coates family out. I’m not quite sure who is out there with money and the slightest interest in SCFC.

Crazy position to take in my opinion

Who knows what's out there should the need arise. Bournemouth have just been bought out and there were 9,000 there to greet him for his first Premier League game.

Do you think he's there for his love of bournemouth or is he there for the Premier league money...

[LGH87]

Oh to have someone in charge with the vision and modern day thinking like Burnley’s American investors.

Absolutely light years ahead of us in terms of how to run a football club.

[Rednwhitenblue]

Jan 2, 2023 17:43:58 GMT fca47 said:

You'd think he would come to the conclusion he's not very good at picking managers and delegate to someone more knowledgeable.

You'd certainly think they'd recognise the pattern of the previous five or six managers they've chosen.

And perhaps, if they come to the conclusion that they weren't shit managers until they came to Stoke, that perhaps the problem lies elsewhere...?

[Deleted]

Jan 2, 2023 17:49:07 GMT LGH87 said:

Oh to have someone in charge with the vision and modern day thinking like Burnley’s American investors.

Absolutely light years ahead of us in terms of how to run a football club.

Them foreigners innit mate?

<roll eyes>

[onyourbonce]

For all the good they have done, and Theyr local fan owners and they have money……it’s time for them to sell to some1 with vision who is gonna try and take the club forward and cares! Because they’ve lost the love, Theyr just bankrolling and letting it tick along, but it’s time for them to move on for the good of the club, and let it move forward. They are stuck in the past, in the only way they know how, and it isn’t getting us anywhere

[milky]

I don't want them gone.

I do want them to wake the fuck up though and realise rolling the dice every 2 to 3 years and hoping you chuck a 6 isn't working .

I doubt there are many clubs ,even at league 2 level are still being run like Stoke City FC .

Christ, even them up the road have embraced a modern day structure and the owner had the nous to bring in football people because she knew she was out of her depth in that respect.

[Rednwhitenblue]

Jan 2, 2023 10:37:45 GMT thevoid said:

Jan 1, 2023 23:03:48 GMT J-Roar said:

Just because they are rich doesn't make them good owners. And just comparing them to other shit owners doesn't make them good owners.

They have mismanaged this club for years with the blips of Macari, Pulis and Hughes.

I'd be interested to see the full list of managers employed by the Family given their decades at the club, and how their successful appointments stack up against the failures.

It's a good question...

They took over when Mick Mills was in charge, then appointed the following (I've ignored caretakers with hardly any games in charge):

1989-91 Alan Ball (auspicious start, wasn't it!) - P 62, win percentage 27.4%
1991-91 (caretaker) Graham Paddon - P18, 33.3%
1991-93 Lou Macari - P138, 50%
1993-94 Joe Jordan - P40, 32.5%
1994-97 Lou Macari - P151, 36.4%
1997-98 Chic Bates - P33, 33.3%

Coates resigned as chairman in Nov 1998, but remained on the board. Resumed ownership in 2006.

2006-13 Tony Pulis - P333, 36.6%
2013-18 Mark Hughes - P200, 35.5%
2018-18 Paul Lambert - P15, 13.3%
2018-19 Gary Rowett - P29, 31.0%
2019-19 Nathan Jones - P38, 15.8%
2019-22 Michael O'Neill - P143, 38.4%
2022-23 Alex Neil - P13, 30.8%

You have to bear in mind that win percentages will often reflect the strength of the division Stoke find themselves in. Pulis and Hughes deserve to be regarded as just as successful as Lou Macari when that is taken into account.

One thing stands out though - the lack of any foreign managers at all. It's a real blind spot. It does make me think that the owners are somewhat stuck in the past when it comes to managerial appointments. New ownership and a completely new recruitment policy across the entire club please.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Jan 2, 2023 19:16:36 GMT Rednwhitenblue said:

Jan 2, 2023 10:37:45 GMT thevoid said:

I'd be interested to see the full list of managers employed by the Family given their decades at the club, and how their successful appointments stack up against the failures.

It's a good question...

They took over when Mick Mills was in charge, then appointed the following (I've ignored caretakers with hardly any games in charge):

1989-91 Alan Ball (auspicious start, wasn't it!) - P 62, win percentage 27.4%
1991-91 (caretaker) Graham Paddon - P18, 33.3%
1991-93 Lou Macari - P138, 50%
1993-94 Joe Jordan - P40, 32.5%
1994-97 Lou Macari - P151, 36.4%
1997-98 Chic Bates - P33, 33.3%

Coates resigned as chairman in Nov 1998, but remained on the board. Resumed ownership in 2006.

2006-13 Tony Pulis - P333, 36.6%
2013-18 Mark Hughes - P200, 35.5%
2018-18 Paul Lambert - P15, 13.3%
2018-19 Gary Rowett - P29, 31.0%
2019-19 Nathan Jones - P38, 15.8%
2019-22 Michael O'Neill - P143, 38.4%
2022-23 Alex Neil - P13, 30.8%

You have to bear in mind that win percentages will often reflect the strength of the division Stoke find themselves in. Pulis and Hughes deserve to be regarded as just as successful as Lou Macari when that is taken into account.

One thing stands out though - the lack of any foreign managers at all. It's a real blind spot. It does make me think that the owners are somewhat stuck in the past when it comes to managerial appointments. New ownership and a completely new recruitment policy across the entire club please.


What’s terrifying is how much worse Alex Neil is v  Michael O’Neil 

[andystokey]

Three things spring to mind:

The board have no idea what a good football manager looks like - it's just guesswork.

Successive boards and managers have no idea how to spend the money gifted to this club.

There has only been two periods in my recent history where a winning mentality was embedded in the club culture.

Players come and go, managers too but this last one drives me nuts.

When Alex Neil says we have the best owners as have several before him, he means they don't sack people for failure too quickly.

Well that's turned into a weakness not a strength.

[swampySCFC]

Lets be having you

The league performance particularly at home is shit and yet there are 20k in the ground today showing solidarity. Is it 7 wins out of 23 now and some calamitous performances. Where is the club heading John?

[Gods]

Well JC is the only show in town now.

It was over and out from Peter a long time ago and Dick Smith just does the buildings rather reluctantly one would imagine.

So as far as the Board goes it's JC or bust.

I do think he should we should hear from him, give us 3 reasons to continue to believe.

[loosestools]

Jan 2, 2023 23:26:24 GMT Gods said:

Well JC is the only show in town now.

It was over and out from Peter a long time ago and Dick Smith just does the buildings rather reluctantly one would imagine.

So as far as the Board goes it's JC or bust.

I do think he should we should hear from him, give us 3 reasons to continue to believe.

No hope.  He's not a great communicator, that's for others, that's what he pays people to do for him.

[boskampsflaps]

And say what, i couldn't care less what he has to say tbh, it'll be crap like working hard to turn it around, looking to get players in, committed to this that or the other, blah blah blah.

[Deleted]

Jan 2, 2023 23:54:28 GMT boskampsflaps said:

And say what, i couldn't care less what he has to say tbh, it'll be crap like working hard to turn it around, looking to get players in, committed to this that or the other, blah blah blah.

You forgot 'patience'

[LGH87]

What’s all the fuss about?

[dutchstokie]

Jan 1, 2023 12:57:07 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

We need the Coates family,But Jon Coates needs to change the way he is running the club.

If his father hasn't had a word in Jons ear,he really should do,him been a Stoke supporter,he must see what the rest of the Stoke fans see,that he is taking this club nowhere but down.

Ladies and Gents - we have a winner !

Well said !

[nottsover60]

I think they are too supportive. I don't want them gone but I want the weekly chats over lunch with the manager offering him their ear and advice ended. I want them to put demands on them and the players and ask them the awkward questions - so why has Campbell had more than twelve months back from his injury and still only looks half the player he was. Is he finished? Why did Souttar look so good and determined for Australia but is having such a little impact for Stoke. He doesn't look any better than the opposition defenders including Liam Lindsay yesterday who we were told was sold at a discount because he wasn't as good as we thought he was?

[thevoid]

Jan 2, 2023 17:44:54 GMT bridgnorthstokie said:

Jan 2, 2023 10:40:01 GMT thevoid said:

Who knows what's out there should the need arise. Bournemouth have just been bought out and there were 9,000 there to greet him for his first Premier League game.

Do you think he's there for his love of bournemouth or is he there for the Premier league money...

No idea, I don't know the man.
If he likes Premier League money, chances are he'll try and keep them there though

[thevoid]

Jan 2, 2023 19:16:36 GMT Rednwhitenblue said:

Jan 2, 2023 10:37:45 GMT thevoid said:

I'd be interested to see the full list of managers employed by the Family given their decades at the club, and how their successful appointments stack up against the failures.

It's a good question...

They took over when Mick Mills was in charge, then appointed the following (I've ignored caretakers with hardly any games in charge):

1989-91 Alan Ball (auspicious start, wasn't it!) - P 62, win percentage 27.4%
1991-91 (caretaker) Graham Paddon - P18, 33.3%
1991-93 Lou Macari - P138, 50%
1993-94 Joe Jordan - P40, 32.5%
1994-97 Lou Macari - P151, 36.4%
1997-98 Chic Bates - P33, 33.3%

Coates resigned as chairman in Nov 1998, but remained on the board. Resumed ownership in 2006.

2006-13 Tony Pulis - P333, 36.6%
2013-18 Mark Hughes - P200, 35.5%
2018-18 Paul Lambert - P15, 13.3%
2018-19 Gary Rowett - P29, 31.0%
2019-19 Nathan Jones - P38, 15.8%
2019-22 Michael O'Neill - P143, 38.4%
2022-23 Alex Neil - P13, 30.8%

You have to bear in mind that win percentages will often reflect the strength of the division Stoke find themselves in. Pulis and Hughes deserve to be regarded as just as successful as Lou Macari when that is taken into account.

One thing stands out though - the lack of any foreign managers at all. It's a real blind spot. It does make me think that the owners are somewhat stuck in the past when it comes to managerial appointments. New ownership and a completely new recruitment policy across the entire club please.

I'll go through the list when I have a spare 10 minutes and post my thoughts

[Deleted]

Jan 2, 2023 19:16:36 GMT Rednwhitenblue said:

Jan 2, 2023 10:37:45 GMT thevoid said:

I'd be interested to see the full list of managers employed by the Family given their decades at the club, and how their successful appointments stack up against the failures.

It's a good question...

They took over when Mick Mills was in charge, then appointed the following (I've ignored caretakers with hardly any games in charge):

1989-91 Alan Ball (auspicious start, wasn't it!) - P 62, win percentage 27.4%
1991-91 (caretaker) Graham Paddon - P18, 33.3%
1991-93 Lou Macari - P138, 50%
1993-94 Joe Jordan - P40, 32.5%
1994-97 Lou Macari - P151, 36.4%
1997-98 Chic Bates - P33, 33.3%

Coates resigned as chairman in Nov 1998, but remained on the board. Resumed ownership in 2006.

2006-13 Tony Pulis - P333, 36.6%
2013-18 Mark Hughes - P200, 35.5%
2018-18 Paul Lambert - P15, 13.3%
2018-19 Gary Rowett - P29, 31.0%
2019-19 Nathan Jones - P38, 15.8%
2019-22 Michael O'Neill - P143, 38.4%
2022-23 Alex Neil - P13, 30.8%

You have to bear in mind that win percentages will often reflect the strength of the division Stoke find themselves in. Pulis and Hughes deserve to be regarded as just as successful as Lou Macari when that is taken into account.

One thing stands out though - the lack of any foreign managers at all. It's a real blind spot. It does make me think that the owners are somewhat stuck in the past when it comes to managerial appointments. New ownership and a completely new recruitment policy across the entire club please.

Michael O'Neill's win record over those amount of games, against a backdrop of a complete strip and rebuild for FFP is actually really impressive, especially taking into account the complete shit show he inherited also.

Neil's win rate compared to Master Bates is also very worrying.

[Northy]

Jan 2, 2023 20:07:58 GMT benjaminbiscuit said:

Jan 2, 2023 19:16:36 GMT Rednwhitenblue said:

It's a good question...

They took over when Mick Mills was in charge, then appointed the following (I've ignored caretakers with hardly any games in charge):

1989-91 Alan Ball (auspicious start, wasn't it!) - P 62, win percentage 27.4%
1991-91 (caretaker) Graham Paddon - P18, 33.3%
1991-93 Lou Macari - P138, 50%
1993-94 Joe Jordan - P40, 32.5%
1994-97 Lou Macari - P151, 36.4%
1997-98 Chic Bates - P33, 33.3%

Coates resigned as chairman in Nov 1998, but remained on the board. Resumed ownership in 2006.

2006-13 Tony Pulis - P333, 36.6%
2013-18 Mark Hughes - P200, 35.5%
2018-18 Paul Lambert - P15, 13.3%
2018-19 Gary Rowett - P29, 31.0%
2019-19 Nathan Jones - P38, 15.8%
2019-22 Michael O'Neill - P143, 38.4%
2022-23 Alex Neil - P13, 30.8%

You have to bear in mind that win percentages will often reflect the strength of the division Stoke find themselves in. Pulis and Hughes deserve to be regarded as just as successful as Lou Macari when that is taken into account.

One thing stands out though - the lack of any foreign managers at all. It's a real blind spot. It does make me think that the owners are somewhat stuck in the past when it comes to managerial appointments. New ownership and a completely new recruitment policy across the entire club please.


What’s terrifying is how much worse Alex Neil is v  Michael O’Neil 

depends on what season it goes against, he had a higher win rate in that first season saving us from relegation, it would look differently up against last season's win rate.