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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 10, 2022 23:45:46 GMT
Don’t let’s kid ourselves that performance was atrocious by anyone’s standards, even with a 1st half that saw three goals and atrocious revering. The lack of quality within the match day squad paints a very dim picture.
Without doubt it showed exactly how far this club has fallen from Grace. Do the “real” attendances give a clue?
Let’s move on to AN. “he’s inherited this squad, let’s give him a chance to bring in his own players”. I’m sick to the back teeth of hearing that one. It’s a merry go round.
With all the stats available to him his first priority was “we don’t concede, we don’t lose” then we move on and I have a January window to develop/implement my philosophy.
Can anyone really see an improvement in our standard of play? I certainly can’t.
Is the clubs loss of stature/identity simply down to hindsight or the lack of ability to understand what all the fuss is about?
In the mean time let’s all be patient
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2022 23:49:23 GMT
I thought it was an entertaining game and we veered between good at times and bad at times. I didn’t think it was a rotten performance. We were positive and on the front foot. We were cohesive until the final ball. There was a fair bit of encouraging stuff.
There was also some bad stuff, like the aforementioned final ball and our defending. But for me that’s not close to one of our worst performances this season.
I don’t see why waiting to see what a new manager does with a transfer window is an issue to be honest. Pulis’ sides were generally piss poor until he was able to sign his own players.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 11, 2022 0:11:26 GMT
I thought it was an entertaining game and we veered between good at times and bad at times. I didn’t think it was a rotten performance. We were positive and on the front foot. We were cohesive until the final ball. There was a fair bit of encouraging stuff. There was also some bad stuff, like the aforementioned final ball and our defending. But for me that’s not close to one of our worst performances this season. I don’t see why waiting to see what a new manager does with a transfer window is an issue to be honest. Pulis’ sides were generally piss poor until he was able to sign his own players. That performance was lacklustre at best and demonstrated quite clearly how far this club has fallen from grace and how far it is from returning to any thing like real promotion contender. With the exception of possibly 1 or 2 players It’s a complete rebuild AGAIN (how many times) How many years from the start of decline? How many false dawns, How many times are supporters asked to be patient?
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 11, 2022 0:17:50 GMT
‘Tuned’ in today and got the BBC Radio Stoke jingle where Nige is screaming about us going to be in the Prem.
Just depressing really.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 0:22:53 GMT
I thought it was an entertaining game and we veered between good at times and bad at times. I didn’t think it was a rotten performance. We were positive and on the front foot. We were cohesive until the final ball. There was a fair bit of encouraging stuff. There was also some bad stuff, like the aforementioned final ball and our defending. But for me that’s not close to one of our worst performances this season. I don’t see why waiting to see what a new manager does with a transfer window is an issue to be honest. Pulis’ sides were generally piss poor until he was able to sign his own players. That performance was lacklustre at best and demonstrated quite clearly how far this club has fallen from grace and how far it is from returning to any thing like real promotion contender. With the exception of possibly 1 or 2 players It’s a complete rebuild AGAIN (how many times) How many years from the start of decline? How many false dawns, How many times are supporters asked to be patient? Just think in this season of all seasons it’s weird to pinpoint this performance as evidence that it’s all gone to shit? I can think of about 10 that were worse than that today. I don’t think it’s a complete rebuild but some level of rebuild is inevitable when the owners insist on a structure where the manager is king and then keep appointing ones who are radically different to their predecessor.
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Post by robinplumpton on Dec 11, 2022 0:32:48 GMT
Yes it was atrocious. Sadly we have been even worse that we now seem to be giving a sympathy vote. Yet another performance where nobody takes responsibility and nobody seems to care. The empty seats show that the support cannot even be bothered to turn up and get angry. A realisation that we are shit and will continue to be. Poor old Harry playing against Messi to playing with rancid
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Post by malisastokie on Dec 11, 2022 4:17:18 GMT
Harry himself was not that good today , I would not feel to sorry for him about having to play with this lot.
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Post by westlandstokie on Dec 11, 2022 5:53:46 GMT
I thought it was an entertaining game and we veered between good at times and bad at times. I didn’t think it was a rotten performance. We were positive and on the front foot. We were cohesive until the final ball. There was a fair bit of encouraging stuff. There was also some bad stuff, like the aforementioned final ball and our defending. But for me that’s not close to one of our worst performances this season. I don’t see why waiting to see what a new manager does with a transfer window is an issue to be honest. Pulis’ sides were generally piss poor until he was able to sign his own players. Whilst I agree with our final ball being atrocious I disagree that it was an entertaining game I’m afraid. It was two piss poor teams who will both be near the bottom of the league come May. I have never had so many empty seats around me (perhaps that’s me lol) but that is surely an indication of how shit this season has been. Not our worst performance this season but it was yet another waste of half a day of my life…I’m bloody sick of the entire club at the moment…I really need a break from it…roll on summer.
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Post by telfordstokie on Dec 11, 2022 6:44:28 GMT
Two poor sides both gave it a go yesterday I thought and we’ve played much worse this season. But like pretty much all of our matches these days, it’s painful to see how bad we are compared to the Prem years.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 11, 2022 7:37:23 GMT
Looked every bit a game between the 18th and 19th sides. They were the better side on the day but their quality into the box was poor.
If we’re playing a back four we simply can’t use Clarke and Tymon. If Fox and Sterling are unavailable we should be playing a back three.
It’s time for a shake up in midfield too, Baker and Smallbone offer absolutely nothing and haven’t all season.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 11, 2022 7:56:45 GMT
Looked every bit a game between the 18th and 19th sides. They were the better side on the day but their quality into the box was poor. If we’re playing a back four we simply can’t use Clarke and Tymon. If Fox and Sterling are unavailable we should be playing a back three. It’s time for a shake up in midfield too, Baker and Smallbone offer absolutely nothing and haven’t all season. Pretty much spot on. The entertainment factor for me was not too dissimilar to two bald men fighting over a comb. The first half wasn't too bad from our perspective and the positive is coming back from a losing position but the second half was as bad as anything we've seen this season. The biggest worry of all is that this manager clearly doesn't value footballers and hasn't got a clue how to get the best out of them. What is surely incoming in January and beyond is a load of runners and kickers.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 11, 2022 8:17:45 GMT
Looked every bit a game between the 18th and 19th sides. They were the better side on the day but their quality into the box was poor. If we’re playing a back four we simply can’t use Clarke and Tymon. If Fox and Sterling are unavailable we should be playing a back three. It’s time for a shake up in midfield too, Baker and Smallbone offer absolutely nothing and haven’t all season. Pretty much spot on. The entertainment factor for me was not too dissimilar to two bald men fighting over a comb. The first half wasn't too bad from our perspective and the positive is coming back from a losing position but the second half was as bad as anything we've seen this season. The biggest worry of all is that this manager clearly doesn't value footballers and hasn't got a clue how to get the best out of them. What is surely incoming in January is a load of runners and kickers. It doesn’t matter who the manager is and what players we use, as soon as we come under a bit of pressure we crumble and aren’t able to do the most basic things. After their equaliser we couldn’t get out of our half for the next twenty minutes or so. We lack any kind of identity and it’s impossible to see what we’re trying to do. We haven’t got quality to build play and pass through teams and we haven’t got the strikers to go direct. As you say, any signings in January will be to make us more competitive physically. Probably not a bad thing as we’re soft as shit.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 11, 2022 8:34:22 GMT
Second half was poor in general, but for 25 minutes in the first half I thought we were excellent. I disagree that Cardiff were piss poor, I thought they played some decent stuff, it was way too open at times, but was certainly entertaining.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 8:59:51 GMT
I thought it was an entertaining game and we veered between good at times and bad at times. I didn’t think it was a rotten performance. We were positive and on the front foot. We were cohesive until the final ball. There was a fair bit of encouraging stuff. There was also some bad stuff, like the aforementioned final ball and our defending. But for me that’s not close to one of our worst performances this season. I don’t see why waiting to see what a new manager does with a transfer window is an issue to be honest. Pulis’ sides were generally piss poor until he was able to sign his own players. Whilst I agree with our final ball being atrocious I disagree that it was an entertaining game I’m afraid. It was two piss poor teams who will both be near the bottom of the league come May. I have never had so many empty seats around me (perhaps that’s me lol) but that is surely an indication of how shit this season has been. Not our worst performance this season but it was yet another waste of half a day of my life…I’m bloody sick of the entire club at the moment…I really need a break from it…roll on summer. They were two poor teams but they were two teams trying to win the game throughout with action at both ends. It’s subjective but to me that makes for an entertaining game.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 9:02:08 GMT
Pretty much spot on. The entertainment factor for me was not too dissimilar to two bald men fighting over a comb. The first half wasn't too bad from our perspective and the positive is coming back from a losing position but the second half was as bad as anything we've seen this season. The biggest worry of all is that this manager clearly doesn't value footballers and hasn't got a clue how to get the best out of them. What is surely incoming in January is a load of runners and kickers. It doesn’t matter who the manager is and what players we use, as soon as we come under a bit of pressure we crumble and aren’t able to do the most basic things. After their equaliser we couldn’t get out of our half for the next twenty minutes or so. We lack any kind of identity and it’s impossible to see what we’re trying to do. We haven’t got quality to build play and pass through teams and we haven’t got the strikers to go direct. As you say, any signings in January will be to make us more competitive physically. Probably not a bad thing as we’re soft as shit. I actually thought that yesterday we did have some identity and a bit of cohesion and that you could see what we were trying to do. First half we were energetic and tenacious and keen to win the ball back high up the pitch. We used the full backs to get forward and had Campbell causing problems when he cut inside. He continued to do that second half even if overall we were a lot less effective.
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Dec 11, 2022 9:04:02 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 11, 2022 9:04:02 GMT
The second half particularly was shite. We had run out of ideas, and that period after they made the subs, not only did they equalise but they got dangerous balls in to our box time and again almost with out effort.
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Post by figo85 on Dec 11, 2022 9:20:14 GMT
Our squad simply isn’t as good as we think it is. If we’ve had a number of managers who have worked with the same core group of players, and none have been able to get a tune out of them, then there inlines the problem?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 9:23:29 GMT
Our squad simply isn’t as good as we think it is. If we’ve had a number of managers who have worked with the same core group of players, and none have been able to get a tune out of them, then there inlines the problem? Who would this core group of players be who’ve worked with all these managers?
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 11, 2022 9:50:05 GMT
I've seen worse games this season.
But overall it was a depressing watch.
It's becoming pretty clear we haven't got many building blocks that are going to amount to anything in that squad.
Would clearly have been better if MON would have gone last summer before he lumbered us with another disastrous recruitment summer.
Worrying how Neil hasn't improved them one iota though.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 11, 2022 9:52:49 GMT
I've seen worse games this season. But overall it was a depressing watch. It's becoming pretty clear we haven't got many building blocks that are going to amount to anything in that squad. Would clearly have been better if MON would have gone last summer before he lumbered us with another disastrous recruitment summer. Worrying how Neil hasn't improved them one iota though. Last line is the key one by January I fear results will show he’s taken us backwards
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Post by eddyclamp on Dec 11, 2022 10:04:41 GMT
The league doesn’t lie we are a bag of shit. This manager has a good record in this league and I think he realises what a big job he has. We must give him time, this constant changing of managers is no good for anyone. What I do think though, behind the scenes, there is something very toxic that needs sorting out. Things just haven’t seemed right for years down there. I don’t think we will go down but unless things are sorted there is a good chance next season
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Post by thevoid on Dec 11, 2022 11:14:15 GMT
Is anyone surprised that Cardiff equalised? Can't have Stoke winning from behind can we?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 11, 2022 11:29:22 GMT
I've seen worse games this season. But overall it was a depressing watch. It's becoming pretty clear we haven't got many building blocks that are going to amount to anything in that squad. Would clearly have been better if MON would have gone last summer before he lumbered us with another disastrous recruitment summer. Worrying how Neil hasn't improved them one iota though. I’m a bit bored of hearing about disastrous recruitment if I’m honest. Cardiff signed about 70 players and their manager paid the price recently also, they were there for the taking. Recruitment had nothing to do with us ending the game playing 4-1-4–1 with a midfield 2 of Smallbone and Powell. The king of proactive substitutions and game management lost out to a rookie manager whose substitutions tilted the game in their favour, that’s the long and short of it…….
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 11, 2022 11:33:26 GMT
I've seen worse games this season. But overall it was a depressing watch. It's becoming pretty clear we haven't got many building blocks that are going to amount to anything in that squad. Would clearly have been better if MON would have gone last summer before he lumbered us with another disastrous recruitment summer. Worrying how Neil hasn't improved them one iota though. I’m a bit bored of hearing about disastrous recruitment if I’m honest. Cardiff signed about 70 players and their manager paid the price recently also, they were there for the taking. Recruitment had nothing to do with us ending the game playing 4-1-4–1 with a midfield 2 of Smallbone and Powell. The king of proactive substitutions and game management lost out to a rookie a manager whose substitutions tilted the game in their favour, that’s the long and short of it……. You know who had a massive say in the Cardiff substitutions yesterday?Dean Whitehead who was very proactive in the decisions to make the 3 changes for Cardiff along with Hudson and Graham Stack.A very interesting watch from behind the dugouts
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 11, 2022 11:35:55 GMT
I’m a bit bored of hearing about disastrous recruitment if I’m honest. Cardiff signed about 70 players and their manager paid the price recently also, they were there for the taking. Recruitment had nothing to do with us ending the game playing 4-1-4–1 with a midfield 2 of Smallbone and Powell. The king of proactive substitutions and game management lost out to a rookie a manager whose substitutions tilted the game in their favour, that’s the long and short of it……. You know who had a massive say in the Cardiff substitutions yesterday?Dean Whitehead who was very proactive in the decisions to make the 3 changes for Cardiff along with Hudson and Graham Stack.A very interesting watch from behind the dugouts Didn’t even know he was at Cardiff to be fair. I know he was highly rated at Vale……
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Dec 11, 2022 11:36:45 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 11, 2022 11:36:45 GMT
You know who had a massive say in the Cardiff substitutions yesterday?Dean Whitehead who was very proactive in the decisions to make the 3 changes for Cardiff along with Hudson and Graham Stack.A very interesting watch from behind the dugouts Didn’t even know he was at Cardiff to be fair. I know he was highly rated at Vale…… Neither did I mate until kick off yesterday
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 11, 2022 11:53:52 GMT
What was the vibe from behind our bench, it always looks like O'Shea and Delap Snr are way too passive and not involved, Neil seems quite proactive to be fair.
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Dec 11, 2022 11:59:07 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 11, 2022 11:59:07 GMT
What was the vibe from behind our bench, it always looks like O'Shea and Delap Snr are way too passive and not involved, Neil seems quite proactive to be fair. Neil got Delap involved quite a few times yesterday but Canning is the chief lieutenant
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 11, 2022 12:10:14 GMT
I already want the manager gone I’ll be honest.
I just don’t see any signs of progress at all, why bother give him multiple windows to inevitably fail.
I look on at Boro in so much envy that they took a chance on Carrick.
Alex Neil may only be 41 but he’s another dour British manager. It’s time this club got out of the dark ages and appointed someone from the new age.
We truly are Brexit FC and it’s fucking depressing.
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Post by mrrine on Dec 11, 2022 12:13:24 GMT
What worried me most of all was the drop off in energy levels after 75 minutes.
This has been a problem for so long and *everyone* inc. AN knows it. What exactly have they been doing.........
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