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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 11, 2022 12:52:38 GMT
I thought after they scored we showed fight and glimpses of what a good team we could be. We desperately lack a presence in the box though, Championship defenders have Delap for lunch, know how to wind him up, stop him playing and referees seem to have him marked as a diver, probably due to his first few games, and give him no protection at all,never mind the penalties he deserves. All three times they kicked off he was obviously charged with closing down their gk and every single time he was body checked by a defender with no action from the ref. (I seem to remember Collins being sent off for a body check on the halfway line nowhere near the ball?).
Our biggest problem which their manager sussed and at half time reorganised to exploit was Tymon at left back. He is no full back and Fosuh offered no assistance defensively whatsoever even managing to make Sawyer look like a good tackler when he came on and we all know that's nonsense. Clark is not a lot better than Tymon as a full back and yesterday was clear evidence of why we have been playing 3 centre halves. I thought Souttar was very poor unlike the game against Luton when he was determined to be first to everything. Although he had a go at Wilmot when their centre forward ghosted between the two of them for that clear header he was just as much to blame as he could see the space between them and made no attempt to close it down. They definitely need to work on their partnership. The passing which was highlighted in Qatar was completely absent and to top it all he picked up a stupid yellow card for a petty retaliation. It looked very much like the performance of a player who believes he's too good for the Championship but if he is he has got to be head and shoulders above the other centre halves on the pitch.
Finally Thompson tried manfully to play the defensive midfielder but the other two seemed to think that that relived them of defensive duties so he was chasing shadows most of the afternoon.
Overall it was another display of attacking promise without a final pass being outdone by a our lack of defensive awareness, summed up by the second goal - a poor choice of pass from Delap, a quick break by the opposition in which two or three Stoke players got close but missed their challenges and didn't even have the nouse to bring them down and take a yellow (or even red) for the team.
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2022 13:30:21 GMT
I thought after they scored we showed fight and glimpses of what a good team we could be. We desperately lack a presence in the box though, Championship defenders have Delap for lunch, know how to wind him up, stop him playing and referees seem to have him marked as a diver, probably due to his first few games, and give him no protection at all,never mind the penalties he deserves. All three times they kicked off he was obviously charged with closing down their gk and every single time he was body checked by a defender with no action from the ref. (I seem to remember Collins being sent off for a body check on the halfway line nowhere near the ball?). Our biggest problem which their manager sussed and at half time reorganised to exploit was Tymon at left back. He is no full back and Fosuh offered no assistance defensively whatsoever even managing to make Sawyer look like a good tackler when he came on and we all know that's nonsense. Clark is not a lot better than Tymon as a full back and yesterday was clear evidence of why we have been playing 3 centre halves. I thought Souttar was very poor unlike the game against Luton when he was determined to be first to everything. Although he had a go at Wilmot when their centre forward ghosted between the two of them for that clear header he was just as much to blame as he could see the space between them and made no attempt to close it down. They definitely need to work on their partnership. The passing which was highlighted in Qatar was completely absent and to top it all he picked up a stupid yellow card for a petty retaliation. It looked very much like the performance of a player who believes he's too good for the Championship but if he is he has got to be head and shoulders above the other centre halves on the pitch. Finally Thompson tried manfully to play the defensive midfielder but the other two seemed to think that that relived them of defensive duties so he was chasing shadows most of the afternoon. Overall it was another display of attacking promise without a final pass being outdone by a our lack of defensive awareness, summed up by the second goal - a poor choice of pass from Delap, a quick break by the opposition in which two or three Stoke players got close but missed their challenges and didn't even have the nouse to bring them down and take a yellow (or even red) for the team. Souttar pulled off two his trademark long range passes
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 11, 2022 14:22:28 GMT
I thought after they scored we showed fight and glimpses of what a good team we could be. We desperately lack a presence in the box though, Championship defenders have Delap for lunch, know how to wind him up, stop him playing and referees seem to have him marked as a diver, probably due to his first few games, and give him no protection at all,never mind the penalties he deserves. All three times they kicked off he was obviously charged with closing down their gk and every single time he was body checked by a defender with no action from the ref. (I seem to remember Collins being sent off for a body check on the halfway line nowhere near the ball?). Our biggest problem which their manager sussed and at half time reorganised to exploit was Tymon at left back. He is no full back and Fosuh offered no assistance defensively whatsoever even managing to make Sawyer look like a good tackler when he came on and we all know that's nonsense. Clark is not a lot better than Tymon as a full back and yesterday was clear evidence of why we have been playing 3 centre halves. I thought Souttar was very poor unlike the game against Luton when he was determined to be first to everything. Although he had a go at Wilmot when their centre forward ghosted between the two of them for that clear header he was just as much to blame as he could see the space between them and made no attempt to close it down. They definitely need to work on their partnership. The passing which was highlighted in Qatar was completely absent and to top it all he picked up a stupid yellow card for a petty retaliation. It looked very much like the performance of a player who believes he's too good for the Championship but if he is he has got to be head and shoulders above the other centre halves on the pitch. Finally Thompson tried manfully to play the defensive midfielder but the other two seemed to think that that relived them of defensive duties so he was chasing shadows most of the afternoon. Overall it was another display of attacking promise without a final pass being outdone by a our lack of defensive awareness, summed up by the second goal - a poor choice of pass from Delap, a quick break by the opposition in which two or three Stoke players got close but missed their challenges and didn't even have the nouse to bring them down and take a yellow (or even red) for the team. Souttar pulled off two his trademark long range passes True, both in the second half but in general his passing was no better than Wilmot's and Jordan Thompson's long range pass to Campbell was better and had a better outcome. I'm not saying Souttar was awful but for a player'who should be playing in the Premier'and who we would hope to get £20 million+ he was no better than any of the other centre halves on the pitch. Value dropped yesterday.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 14:33:27 GMT
I thought Souttar had a good game yesterday. He was a one-man mop-up operation at times when they put dangerous balls in and he got forward well a couple of times as well.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 11, 2022 15:29:47 GMT
Souttar pulled off two his trademark long range passes True, both in the second half but in general his passing was no better than Wilmot's and Jordan Thompson's long range pass to Campbell was better and had a better outcome. I'm not saying Souttar was awful but for a player'who should be playing in the Premier'and who we would hope to get £20 million+ he was no better than any of the other centre halves on the pitch. Value dropped yesterday. How many games has Souttar played since an extensive lay off due to a serious injury? He probably played in the WC on adrenalin. I’ll be extremely surprised (hope I’m wrong) if his form is inconsistent for the next couple of months as he fully recovers and gets into the week in week rhythm of normal football
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 11, 2022 17:03:17 GMT
At the moment I think we are where we are, we are just an average Championship club, win some, lose some, draw some.
We will have the odd good game quite a few poor games.
If we don't get relegated, we are going to be a Championship side for quite a lot of years yet.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 11, 2022 17:27:36 GMT
I've seen worse games this season. But overall it was a depressing watch. It's becoming pretty clear we haven't got many building blocks that are going to amount to anything in that squad. Would clearly have been better if MON would have gone last summer before he lumbered us with another disastrous recruitment summer. Worrying how Neil hasn't improved them one iota though.There's large gaps in the squad that I think would undermine any good work done by whoever is in charge, the midfield is a mess, all same same with zero interest in putting just a little work in (actually running back etc), we've only really got one centre back thats good enough to rely on and as seen by Clarke we're in need of a consistent right back and thats before you get to the forwards. There's a lot to sort out imo.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 11, 2022 17:32:05 GMT
Souttar pulled off two his trademark long range passes True, both in the second half but in general his passing was no better than Wilmot's and Jordan Thompson's long range pass to Campbell was better and had a better outcome. I'm not saying Souttar was awful but for a player'who should be playing in the Premier'and who we would hope to get £20 million+ he was no better than any of the other centre halves on the pitch. Value dropped yesterday. He got Clarke out of quite a bit of shit yesterday, instead of waving his arms around claiming offside or a foul Souttar made the clearance, one which Clarke should have dealt with easily, he also did a lot a mopping up due to others poor positioning. His passing may not have been great but defensively he was sound.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 11, 2022 20:37:11 GMT
Pathetic from front to back……
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 20:44:49 GMT
Looked every bit a game between the 18th and 19th sides. They were the better side on the day but their quality into the box was poor. If we’re playing a back four we simply can’t use Clarke and Tymon. If Fox and Sterling are unavailable we should be playing a back three. It’s time for a shake up in midfield too, Baker and Smallbone offer absolutely nothing and haven’t all season. Pretty much spot on. The entertainment factor for me was not too dissimilar to two bald men fighting over a comb. I’m not sure this analogy works? I’d pay good money to see two bald men fighting over a comb.
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Post by Davef on Dec 11, 2022 20:45:32 GMT
Pathetic from front to back…… Just mentioned it on the highlights thread. Delap simply has to lay the ball off to Campbell.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 11, 2022 20:46:41 GMT
Pathetic from front to back…… Just mentioned it on the highlights thread. Delap simply has to lay the ball off to Campbell. We were screaming that at the time, how did he not see it?
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 11, 2022 20:52:08 GMT
Only Stoke could go from being gifted possession on the edge of the opponent's penalty area, to conceding at the other end within seconds 😳
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 12, 2022 10:22:32 GMT
Pathetic from front to back…… Just mentioned it on the highlights thread. Delap simply has to lay the ball off to Campbell. Agreed but it wasn't an awful pass and if Smallbone came to meet it instead of waiting for it to arrive (a common Stoke failing) he would have got there first been able to lay it back to Campbell. Smallbone then waves his arms (common again with Stoke players) instead of trying to win it back. Campbell chases it but gives up when he realises he's been beaten, Tymon and Wilmot get there but both make weak challenges and although Wilmot races back Tymon just jogs getting nowhere near the action again. Thompson is caught in two minds - surely when there is nobody else you close down the wide man even if it's not your job. Where was Fosu by the way surely his role was to get back behind Tymon to cover? Where was Baker? - as on several occasions yesterday Thompson was left alone defensively in midfield and couldn't decide what he should do so did nothing. Finally the cross comes in, Souttar is marking no one and Clarke makes an awful challenge. Yes Delap made a wrong but not awful pass - it was forward rather than backwards as a pass to Campbell would have been. After that seven different players had the chance to stop the progress of Cardiff but put in powder puff challenges and two more were completely missing. I'm not even sure without watching again that Bonham couldn't have come out and tried to be closer to block the shot. Not absolving Delap, Jonathan Walters making that pass would have been fighting tooth and nail to win the ball back but I don't think we saw him again. That is the entire team not giving a jot whether they won the ball back or conceded a goal as a result of their lack of fight.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 12, 2022 10:31:14 GMT
Only Stoke could go from being gifted possession on the edge of the opponent's penalty area, to conceding at the other end within seconds 😳 The place just stinks of failure
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 12, 2022 10:35:22 GMT
Said it at the game. We make a mistake on the edge of our box - goal to them. They make a mistake on the edge of their box - goal to them.
It's beyond pathetic. It's downright unprofessional.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 12, 2022 10:40:36 GMT
At the moment I think we are where we are, we are just an average Championship club, win some, lose some, draw some. We will have the odd good game quite a few poor games. If we don't get relegated, we are going to be a Championship side for quite a lot of years yet. The next 20......
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 12, 2022 13:26:06 GMT
Just mentioned it on the highlights thread. Delap simply has to lay the ball off to Campbell. Agreed but it wasn't an awful pass and if Smallbone came to meet it instead of waiting for it to arrive (a common Stoke failing) he would have got there first been able to lay it back to Campbell. Smallbone then waves his arms (common again with Stoke players) instead of trying to win it back. Campbell chases it but gives up when he realises he's been beaten, Tymon and Wilmot get there but both make weak challenges and although Wilmot races back Tymon just jogs getting nowhere near the action again. Thompson is caught in two minds - surely when there is nobody else you close down the wide man even if it's not your job. Where was Fosu by the way surely his role was to get back behind Tymon to cover? Where was Baker? - as on several occasions yesterday Thompson was left alone defensively in midfield and couldn't decide what he should do so did nothing. Finally the cross comes in, Souttar is marking no one and Clarke makes an awful challenge. Yes Delap made a wrong but not awful pass - it was forward rather than backwards as a pass to Campbell would have been. After that seven different players had the chance to stop the progress of Cardiff but put in powder puff challenges and two more were completely missing. I'm not even sure without watching again that Bonham couldn't have come out and tried to be closer to block the shot. Not absolving Delap, Jonathan Walters making that pass would have been fighting tooth and nail to win the ball back but I don't think we saw him again. That is the entire team not giving a jot whether they won the ball back or conceded a goal as a result of their lack of fight. During the 2nd half (right in front of us) Tymon demonstrated why he’ll never be anything more than a bang average player who’ll earn a living at Championship level for several years before becoming a revelation in League 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 16:43:24 GMT
Only Stoke could go from being gifted possession on the edge of the opponent's penalty area, to conceding at the other end within seconds 😳 This Even after making the wrong decision and losing possession, someone has to put a foul in . It's not as if you are going to get a red card or concede a penalty, tripping someone up 100 yards away from your own goal.
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Post by senojbor on Dec 12, 2022 17:21:37 GMT
We are going backwards. Par for the course with Coates. He's only ever got one thing right in all his years at Stoke. Wish he'd sell up and take his son with him
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 12, 2022 17:31:58 GMT
Said it at the game. We make a mistake on the edge of our box - goal to them. They make a mistake on the edge of their box - goal to them. It's beyond pathetic. It's downright unprofessional. Honestly, just relegate us now. I've proper had enough of this shit. Doesn't matter who the manager is, who that manager signs, nothing changes. Fold the fucking club and have done
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 12, 2022 17:38:32 GMT
Pathetic from front to back…… Just mentioned it on the highlights thread. Delap simply has to lay the ball off to Campbell. This goal against just sums up why I simply can't be arsed watching the shit we call football any more. I've missed more games this season than I have missed in the last 25 years. Just look at the state of that goal. Delap has the chance to shoot and because he only uses his left leg for standing on, he declined the opportunity and the chance was gone. The pass to Smallbone was shit but from that pass, just look at the number of people culpable in us conceding. Smallbone is weak as piss and from losing the ball is then never in the frame to recover the situation Delap doesn't react at all and makes zero effort to recover possession Tymon shits himself as usual and the break just bypasses him effortlessly Thompson simply hasn't read the break away (a pretty sorry state of affairs for a defensive minded midfield player) Fosu simply cannot be arsed to bust a gut and sprint back to help out the full-back Wilmott is once again caught in no mans land...a regular occurrence for him as he doesn't seem to have any positional sense whatsoever Clarke makes no attempt at all to get around to help Souttar see off the danger until it's way too late The strike at goal goes into the middle of the net and the goalkeeper is absolutely miles away from it. He get's nowhere near it at all with either foot or hand. 8 players out of the 11 involved on the pitch all play a role in us conceding, primarily because they can't actually be arsed to do anything about it. We have no personality on the pitch. We have even less personality off the pitch. It's absolutely shit and it's not worth investing the time to watch it, let alone the money. I've obviously already paid for my season ticket and I still can't be arsed to come down to watch it. The minute going to the pub pre-match wasn't an option, I decided not to bother coming to watch at all because in truth, going to the pub pre match is the only thing even remotely enjoyable about Stoke City at present. Atrocious is too kind a word for describing our absolute shit show at the moment. It will be a miracle if we aren't relegated this season. EDIT - you could probably include Campbell in that to make it 9 players but he did at least spring initially before stopping on the half way line as if he's not allowed back any further than that.
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Post by robrigo on Dec 12, 2022 17:51:07 GMT
Absolutely pathetic from front to back. Total shit.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 12, 2022 17:51:44 GMT
A comedy of errors and the jokes on us 🙈
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 12, 2022 17:59:27 GMT
You not impressed Dave? 😳
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 12, 2022 18:11:00 GMT
There's very few players in this team/squad I would keep we are in shit creek.To make it worse at a lot of clubs loan players make a big difference , here they are worse than players already on the books.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 12, 2022 18:28:25 GMT
You not impressed Dave? 😳 You could say that.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 12, 2022 19:35:45 GMT
I wouldn't give this manager a penny in the window. Let him keep us up then I might consider it in the summer.
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Post by Davef on Dec 12, 2022 19:49:53 GMT
Just mentioned it on the highlights thread. Delap simply has to lay the ball off to Campbell. This goal against just sums up why I simply can't be arsed watching the shit we call football any more. I've missed more games this season than I have missed in the last 25 years. Just look at the state of that goal. Delap has the chance to shoot and because he only uses his left leg for standing on, he declined the opportunity and the chance was gone. The pass to Smallbone was shit but from that pass, just look at the number of people culpable in us conceding. Smallbone is weak as piss and from losing the ball is then never in the frame to recover the situation Delap doesn't react at all and makes zero effort to recover possession Tymon shits himself as usual and the break just bypasses him effortlessly Thompson simply hasn't read the break away (a pretty sorry state of affairs for a defensive minded midfield player) Fosu simply cannot be arsed to bust a gut and sprint back to help out the full-back Wilmott is once again caught in no mans land...a regular occurrence for him as he doesn't seem to have any positional sense whatsoever Clarke makes no attempt at all to get around to help Souttar see off the danger until it's way too late The strike at goal goes into the middle of the net and the goalkeeper is absolutely miles away from it. He get's nowhere near it at all with either foot or hand. 8 players out of the 11 involved on the pitch all play a role in us conceding, primarily because they can't actually be arsed to do anything about it. Otherwise okay? 😊
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 12, 2022 20:02:40 GMT
I wouldn't give this manager a penny in the window. Let him keep us up then I might consider it in the summer. He's already proven he can't manage this group so if we don't back him in January then we will be in League One. We've spent good money bringing him here so we have to back him don't we?
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