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Post by gogogadget on Jan 19, 2023 19:54:53 GMT
I think the commemts chopper made earlier are the most sensible for a while , the whole place and squad was a mess and hes starting to sort it out yes it would be better if we had more points but it needed sorting so now he has started and ues some of it may seem weird and.no it wont happen as quick as we want but thats the situation hopefully brighter days ahead but its gonna be hard and we all need to pull together In a weird way Saturday will be really interesting to see how some players react. Many conversations will have been had, much will have talked about amongst the players about what is happening. We will see the ones with true character Saturday I’m strapped in for this bumpy ride. Just glad things are changing. |
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Post by etebojan on Jan 19, 2023 19:55:53 GMT
We've turned it down apparently. We could do with other interested parties getting involved now. I’m hearing £10m up front plus add on gets him. Is Iverson part of the deal Chopper? |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Jan 19, 2023 19:56:04 GMT
I think the commemts chopper made earlier are the most sensible for a while , the whole place and squad was a mess and hes starting to sort it out yes it would be better if we had more points but it needed sorting so now he has started and ues some of it may seem weird and.no it wont happen as quick as we want but thats the situation hopefully brighter days ahead but its gonna be hard and we all need to pull together In a weird way Saturday will be really interesting to see how some players react. Many conversations will have been had, much will have talked about amongst the players about what is happening. We will see the ones with true character Saturday I’m strapped in for this bumpy ride. Just glad things are changing. Not sure about seeing the ones with character, we’ll be seeing the ones who haven’t left yet! |
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Post by etebojan on Jan 19, 2023 19:56:27 GMT
Are Dundee United due any percentage of the profit on a Souttar sale ? 15% I read somewhere |
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Post by eriksson74 on Jan 19, 2023 19:57:10 GMT
Are Dundee United due any percentage of the profit on a Souttar sale ? I'm fairly certain they are, think 15% has been mentioned somewhere. But how would a player swap in the deal work? Do we pay 15% of the deal as a whole or just on the cash part? Guess it's down to the legal definition,but could be slightly more beneficial if its just the cash part, if that is enough to keep FFP at bay. |
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Post by liathroid on Jan 19, 2023 19:58:05 GMT
Are Dundee United due any percentage of the profit on a Souttar sale ? yes |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 20:11:28 GMT
We've turned it down apparently. We could do with other interested parties getting involved now. I’m hearing £10m up front plus add on gets him. Are you saying some of what we receive will need to be used to cover ffp? The noises coming out of the club were that we were tight but within the rules. What has changed? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2023 20:14:51 GMT
We've turned it down apparently. We could do with other interested parties getting involved now. I’m hearing £10m up front plus add on gets him. That would be disappointing. It seems people are hearing all sorts mind. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 19, 2023 20:16:44 GMT
Hamza Choudhury would be nice as well, currently out of the team at Watford and out of contract in the summer....... Great idea he could burst the ball with his hook. |
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 19, 2023 20:17:03 GMT
I think the commemts chopper made earlier are the most sensible for a while , the whole place and squad was a mess and hes starting to sort it out yes it would be better if we had more points but it needed sorting so now he has started and ues some of it may seem weird and.no it wont happen as quick as we want but thats the situation hopefully brighter days ahead but its gonna be hard and we all need to pull together In a weird way Saturday will be really interesting to see how some players react. Many conversations will have been had, much will have talked about amongst the players about what is happening. We will see the ones with true character Saturday I’m strapped in for this bumpy ride. Just glad things are changing. True character? Let me know if you see any of it from this gutless bunch. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 19, 2023 20:17:50 GMT
I agree I don't think he has the same potential as Collins. I've always thought £10 million would be good business. Worryingly though if Chopper is right and we're screwed if we don't sell him that suggests we won't be spending all of it anyway. If we get £10m, I think we have done well to be honest. I can see him pinging a few crossfield balls now and then, looking good, but do7ng a job as a defender, I wouldn't be excited if I was a Leicester fan. If the cash stops a points deduction, certain relegation and transfer embargo, it's essential. He would leave with thanks and done his job, having been developed and moved on, and shows an element of the Club has worked. I wouldn't be too unhappy to lose him if the money was right and it allowed us to strengthen some of the multitude of deficiencies across the team. Ultimately it's not like he's particularly excelled since coming back and his presence hasn't noticeably improved our defending. If anything, our results have been even worse since the restart so I think we could afford to lose him so long as the proceeds were reinvested immediately. Not that I'm blaming him for our results getting worse, just that he hasn't done anything to improve them thus far. His value might actually be at a high point now too coming off the back of his successful world cup and too early in his Stoke return for him to be blamed in any way for our poor form. If we keep him till the end of the season and his individual performances continue not to stand out and we either scrape safety or god forbid, get relegated, then his World Cup form might look like a flash in the pan and his value could actually fall. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 19, 2023 20:20:28 GMT
I’m hearing £10m up front plus add on gets him. Are you saying some of what we receive will need to be used to cover ffp? The noises coming out of the club were that we were tight but within the rules. What has changed? Don't know where you heard that. If you listened to AN when he joined and analysed his words it was clear we were probably over and had something to pull back later in the season. Fosu and Sterling were unplanned deals done after we'd blown the budget. |
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Post by sportsman on Jan 19, 2023 20:24:52 GMT
I’m hearing £10m up front plus add on gets him. Are you saying some of what we receive will need to be used to cover ffp? The noises coming out of the club were that we were tight but within the rules. What has changed? I don't get from what was said do you get to that conclusion. Also I thought we've turned down 10m so 10m should get him doesn't add up |
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Post by idle on Jan 19, 2023 20:32:06 GMT
If we sell Souttar for £10M we are going down. Period. £10M doesn't begin to cover what we need to stay up without Harry.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 19, 2023 20:38:54 GMT
If we sell Souttar for £10M we are going down. Period. £10M doesn't begin to cover what we need to stay up without Harry. We’ve won one out of the eight games played since he’s been back from injury. We couldn’t really get much worse without him in the side. |
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Post by idle on Jan 19, 2023 20:45:27 GMT
If we sell Souttar for £10M we are going down. Period. £10M doesn't begin to cover what we need to stay up without Harry. We’ve won one out of the eight games played since he’s been back from injury. We couldn’t really get much worse without him in the side. Sure we could. We could have lost vs. Rotherham, Bristol City and Cardiff. That's 5 points and joint bottom with Wigan. And both Rotherham and Cardiff 2 points further away. Edit: He also played against Luton, who we beat (and looked solid for once). That he was allowed to go to the WC for the WBA game is on AN. So then it's possibly 8 points and rock bottom. |
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Post by independent on Jan 19, 2023 20:47:11 GMT
Some of the talk on here is complete and utter rubbish. bayern is right £12m is probably top dollar for Harry. How much time is he going to spend flying 3,000 miles each way to play WC qualifiers for Australia. Iverson to Stoke is probably more rubbish. If you were him, would you jump at the opportunity to possibly play League One next year, especially for AN. Even if he did come would he be another Delap, miracles expected and no performance.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 19, 2023 20:51:09 GMT
We’ve won one out of the eight games played since he’s been back from injury. We couldn’t really get much worse without him in the side. Sure we could. We could have lost vs. Rotherham, Bristol City and Cardiff. That's 5 points and joint bottom with Wigan. And both Rotherham and Cardiff 2 points further away. We may also have won every game if he hadn’t have played if we’re using that logic. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 19, 2023 20:51:22 GMT
Oh and we’ve absolutely fucked it with FFO unless we sell souttar too How have we done that? We appear to have complied last season and 2018/19 when we lost close to the max drops out of the calculation and we have the Collins money and most of our big transfer values were written off. We must have a budget of over £40 million including £13 million of allowable losses. Hard to see how we would overspend, might be tight but not catastrophic |
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 19, 2023 20:51:35 GMT
I think we are all getting a bit carried away with all this mass exit talk, for all we know Fosu and Clarke might just be paper talk, we no credence. Let's wait until it's official.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 19, 2023 20:53:40 GMT
Are you saying some of what we receive will need to be used to cover ffp? The noises coming out of the club were that we were tight but within the rules. What has changed? Don't know where you heard that. If you listened to AN when he joined and analysed his words it was clear we were probably over and had something to pull back later in the season. Fosu and Sterling were unplanned deals done after we'd blown the budget. To be over budget would be some effort. £20 million of turnover, £13 million allowable losses, Collins money, no significant transfer write offs. Our wages and transfers can’t be that much |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 20:55:09 GMT
Are you saying some of what we receive will need to be used to cover ffp? The noises coming out of the club were that we were tight but within the rules. What has changed? Don't know where you heard that. If you listened to AN when he joined and analysed his words it was clear we were probably over and had something to pull back later in the season. Fosu and Sterling were unplanned deals done after we'd blown the budget. Fair enough. Must admit I didn't pick up on that. |
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Post by idle on Jan 19, 2023 20:57:24 GMT
Sure we could. We could have lost vs. Rotherham, Bristol City and Cardiff. That's 5 points and joint bottom with Wigan. And both Rotherham and Cardiff 2 points further away. We may also have won every game if he hadn’t have played if we’re using that logic. I'd like to hear the reasoning for that claim.. You think our defence is just as good without him? He's our best defender by a country mile. If we're stuck with Wilmot, Jags, Fox and Taylor (or _shudder_ Flint), plus some unknown U21 from the PL (if we can even get one on loan) we are going down unless AN really makes some magical signings. |
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 19, 2023 21:00:14 GMT
If we can get Iverson and 7 Million we have done well, with decent add ons of course.
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Post by questionable on Jan 19, 2023 21:01:02 GMT
If we sell Souttar for £10M we are going down. Period. £10M doesn't begin to cover what we need to stay up without Harry. We’ve won one out of the eight games played since he’s been back from injury. We couldn’t really get much worse without him in the side. If we were truthful has Souttar been that stand out since his return, yes ofc the players around him are completely dog shit but he’s not exactly on a different planet in the games so far. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 19, 2023 21:03:01 GMT
We may also have won every game if he hadn’t have played if we’re using that logic. I'd like to hear the reasoning for that claim.. You think our defence is just as good without him? He's our best defender by a country mile. If we're stuck with Wilmot, Jags, Fox and Taylor (or _shudder_ Flint), plus some unknown U21 from the PL (if we can even get one on loan) we are going down unless AN really makes some magical signings. Our defence hasn’t improved since he came back into side. If we sold him we’d replace him so we wouldn’t just be left with the current lot. |
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 19, 2023 21:05:11 GMT
Quite a way off the £30-40mil some thought he’d fetch 🤣 Is he really worth much more than they offered? I doubt it! Only worth what someone will pay for him at the end of the day, so you are probably right. You can look at it as what has he cost Stoke, and if the fee was spent well it could in real terms be worth more to the club. For example, we don't sell him and drop out of the division. His value would then no doubt drop and club revenue would be reduced due to the drop in division. If we were in the top six of this division I have no doubt he would be worth more. But the reality is looking like we need the money from his sale to use in this window. so 30 to 40 million is never going to happen is it. |
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Post by idle on Jan 19, 2023 21:07:28 GMT
I'd like to hear the reasoning for that claim.. You think our defence is just as good without him? He's our best defender by a country mile. If we're stuck with Wilmot, Jags, Fox and Taylor (or _shudder_ Flint), plus some unknown U21 from the PL (if we can even get one on loan) we are going down unless AN really makes some magical signings. Our defence hasn’t improved since he came back into side. If we sold him we’d replace him so we wouldn’t just be left with the current lot. Yeah, and it would cost us in the region of £5M + wages to get a decent (and not as good) stopper in. And then we're just as shit as we are now, perhaps even worse. Wilmot doesn't magically stop making mistakes becasue we sell Harry, and we still can't afford a decent goalie. |
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Post by etebojan on Jan 19, 2023 21:07:29 GMT
Interesting to know what the incredibly tight FFP constraints are. Chopper alluding to 10 Million being the figure at which we'd pull the trigger on the deal (despite the slightly contradictory reports we have already turned down at that figure),
I wonder whether 10 million...
A) Balances the books
B) Balances the books + gives us a bit of cash to makes a few moves
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 19, 2023 21:08:03 GMT
Don't know where you heard that. If you listened to AN when he joined and analysed his words it was clear we were probably over and had something to pull back later in the season. Fosu and Sterling were unplanned deals done after we'd blown the budget. To be over budget would be some effort. £20 million of turnover, £13 million allowable losses, Collins money, no significant transfer write offs. Our wages and transfers can’t be that much Don't know anything about it I'm merely saying what I heard him say and how I analysed his words, which I pointed out in posts at the time. I'll have a look for one. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7575265/threadoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7575307/threadI'm not wading back through AN interviews but I defnitely saw and heard it and that's what I concluded from his words at the time. It really wasn't particularly cryptic. |
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