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Post by independent on Jan 16, 2023 11:07:58 GMT
Most transfer windows depend on a club moving on a player and acquiring one.Then a Domino effect ensues. Only Stoke allow a player to go (Bursik) without having a replacement lined up. AN even told you that nothing would happen till the last few days of the window. What is so difficult to understand about that?
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 11:14:11 GMT
Bournemouth spending £27m on a player I've never heard of, yet Stoke can't afford to pay a player we've had on loan since August. How the fuck has it come to this? Seriously, what do the likes of John Coates seriously think about where the club is right now. Fucking Bournemouth are lightyears ahead of us right now, yet people still lick the boards arses  |
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Post by idle on Jan 16, 2023 11:25:18 GMT
Yeah, that's why we need another DM. So who do you think should be DM? Laurent, who makes equal amounts of defensive howlers as Wilmot? Baker, who can't even do the basics right, nevermind tackle? Even when we played with both teams just cut through the middle like the proverbial hot knife in butter! So when has Laurent made these defensive howlers playing as a DM? Fucked up at the weekend trying to do too much which he would be instructed not to as a DM. His standout season at Reading was as a DM when he won their player of the season. He’s even played professionally at CB so I’d say your opinion is wrong. It might not be what he wants to do but it’s his best position rather like Etebo who never played there for Stoke. Maybe, but he hasn't shown anything like that for us. Not before his injury, and not after. He's been even worse Thompson, who at least has the brains to take a professional foul and a yellow card to stop conceding. I admit it looks like he has a better motor and some technique, but he's waaaayy off form if so. Or maybe I'm holding him to the same standard people used to hold Allen. He had two bad mistakes this weekend, one leading to 2-0. Maybe howler is a bit harsh, but when you go in and miss both ball AND man, and then fail to make up for it, it's your mistake. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 16, 2023 11:25:43 GMT
I don’t get the football is cyclical thing, or at least it being used as an excuse. We were relegated because of bad player and staff recruitment and we could be relegated again for the same reasons. If where we are now is just a cyclical thing then we can’t praise or respect the Coates’ for the successful years in the PL as that was just cyclical too. It happens because a squad does well but ages. When they are successful players don't tend to move on but do age together. Some like Arnautovic and N'zonzi do have ambitions and they are difficult to replace. Unless you are a top club you have to fall lucky with recruiting lesser known players who develop at the club as Arnautovic and N'zonzi did. Then your players who stay are ageing together and again are difficult to replace. I think Whelan is a prime example of this. Mark Hughes knew he was getting on and was an important cog, tried at the start of two seasons to replace him before having to admit defeat and reinstate him in the team. The third time, big mistake, he let him leave the club after recruiting Allen, an upgrade he thought. Meanwhile Shawcross, Pieters, Walters, Crouch, Etherington et al were growing old together. We couldn't replace them all on our budget - our attempt to replace Huth resulted in us recruiting two disasters. Leicester are experiencing similar at the moment. They can't replace Vardy and I'm sure there are others. If you are a top club you can continually evolve because players want to play for you and are prepared to join your squad and await their chance. If you are a run of the mill Premier club players want reassurances about playing time and don't want to sit behind the likes of Whelan or Walters in the queue so you have to find a way of fitting them in often with disastrous consequences for the team as happened with Allen and Shaqiri neither of whom were a like for like replacement of an ageing player. I understand that it can be difficult for a club like Stoke to maintain the quality of the squad but our recruitment towards the end of our time in the PL was bad to even someone who had no interest in football. Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino were always going to be bad ideas even on small fees but what we paid for them was idiotic without hindsight even needed. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 16, 2023 11:29:20 GMT
Bournemouth spending £27m on a player I've never heard of, yet Stoke can't afford to pay a player we've had on loan since August. How the fuck has it come to this? Seriously, what do the likes of John Coates seriously think about where the club is right now. Fucking Bournemouth are lightyears ahead of us right now, yet people still lick the boards arses That's a cracking fee for a Leyton Orient player in fairness. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 16, 2023 11:37:48 GMT
Yeah, that's why we need another DM. So who do you think should be DM? Laurent, who makes equal amounts of defensive howlers as Wilmot? Baker, who can't even do the basics right, nevermind tackle? Even when we played with both teams just cut through the middle like the proverbial hot knife in butter! So when has Laurent made these defensive howlers playing as a DM? Fucked up at the weekend trying to do too much which he would be instructed not to as a DM. His standout season at Reading was as a DM when he won their player of the season. He’s even played professionally at CB so I’d say your opinion is wrong. It might not be what he wants to do but it’s his best position rather like Etebo who never played there for Stoke. First goal, too loose in midfield allowed them to work the ball and then spotted but didn’t pick up the scorer. Second, overplayed in midfield (schoolboy error for a holding midfielder) and didn’t recover. Third goal didn’t anticipate and again was 5 metres off the player delivering the cross. One game, three times not doing the CDM basics, he is not a CDM |
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Post by potter25 on Jan 16, 2023 11:37:51 GMT
We just need see something this week
Keeper first followed by a striker for me
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 11:41:32 GMT
So when has Laurent made these defensive howlers playing as a DM? Fucked up at the weekend trying to do too much which he would be instructed not to as a DM. His standout season at Reading was as a DM when he won their player of the season. He’s even played professionally at CB so I’d say your opinion is wrong. It might not be what he wants to do but it’s his best position rather like Etebo who never played there for Stoke. Maybe, but he hasn't shown anything like that for us. Not before his injury, and not after. He's been even worse Thompson, who at least has the brains to take a professional foul and a yellow card to stop conceding. I admit it looks like he has a better motor and some technique, but he's waaaayy off form if so. Or maybe I'm holding him to the same standard people used to hold Allen. He had two bad mistakes this weekend, one leading to 2-0. Maybe howler is a bit harsh, but when you go in and miss both ball AND man, and then fail to make up for it, it's your mistake. How is he supposed to show that if he's not played as a DM. With Thompson playing the anchor role his brief is completely different. I haven't yet seen him play for us as the deepest midfielder with a brief to break up play, win the ball and stay positionally disciplined. Because it just hasn't happened. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 11:43:35 GMT
So when has Laurent made these defensive howlers playing as a DM? Fucked up at the weekend trying to do too much which he would be instructed not to as a DM. His standout season at Reading was as a DM when he won their player of the season. He’s even played professionally at CB so I’d say your opinion is wrong. It might not be what he wants to do but it’s his best position rather like Etebo who never played there for Stoke. First goal, too loose in midfield allowed them to work the ball and then spotted but didn’t pick up the scorer. Second, overplayed in midfield (schoolboy error for a holding midfielder) and didn’t recover. Third goal didn’t anticipate and again was 5 metres off the player delivering the cross. One game, three times not doing the CDM basics, he is not a CDM Because he wasn't playing as a CDM he was playing as a box to box midfielder with a brief to drive the team forward. |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 16, 2023 11:45:39 GMT
Bournemouth spending £27m on a player I've never heard of, yet Stoke can't afford to pay a player we've had on loan since August. How the fuck has it come to this? Seriously, what do the likes of John Coates seriously think about where the club is right now. Fucking Bournemouth are lightyears ahead of us right now, yet people still lick the boards arses Their average attendance is 9,500?????? |
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Post by gogogadget on Jan 16, 2023 11:46:07 GMT
Hopefully someone will give us some cash for Brown and Campbell so we can look for someone that is capable of playing as a professional striker
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 11:48:32 GMT
So when has Laurent made these defensive howlers playing as a DM? Fucked up at the weekend trying to do too much which he would be instructed not to as a DM. His standout season at Reading was as a DM when he won their player of the season. He’s even played professionally at CB so I’d say your opinion is wrong. It might not be what he wants to do but it’s his best position rather like Etebo who never played there for Stoke. First goal, too loose in midfield allowed them to work the ball and then spotted but didn’t pick up the scorer. Second, overplayed in midfield (schoolboy error for a holding midfielder) and didn’t recover. Third goal didn’t anticipate and again was 5 metres off the player delivering the cross. One game, three times not doing the CDM basics, he is not a CDM You'd say the same thing about Etebo during his time playing at Stoke but where does he play for his national team, take a look at the last ACON. Different brief different player. Players don't neccessarily know or want to play in their best position. Who wants to be a DM? |
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 11:49:17 GMT
Bournemouth spending £27m on a player I've never heard of, yet Stoke can't afford to pay a player we've had on loan since August. How the fuck has it come to this? Seriously, what do the likes of John Coates seriously think about where the club is right now. Fucking Bournemouth are lightyears ahead of us right now, yet people still lick the boards arses Their average attendance is 9,500?????? what's your point? |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 16, 2023 11:51:35 GMT
So when has Laurent made these defensive howlers playing as a DM? Fucked up at the weekend trying to do too much which he would be instructed not to as a DM. His standout season at Reading was as a DM when he won their player of the season. He’s even played professionally at CB so I’d say your opinion is wrong. It might not be what he wants to do but it’s his best position rather like Etebo who never played there for Stoke. First goal, too loose in midfield allowed them to work the ball and then spotted but didn’t pick up the scorer. Second, overplayed in midfield (schoolboy error for a holding midfielder) and didn’t recover. Third goal didn’t anticipate and again was 5 metres off the player delivering the cross. One game, three times not doing the CDM basics, he is not a CDM Seems to have what it takes physically, but doesn't seem to have the brain to spot things quickly enough.  |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 16, 2023 11:53:11 GMT
Their average attendance is 9,500?????? what's your point? Tiny club compared to us so how can they spend £27m and we can't afford a penny chew? |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jan 16, 2023 11:57:04 GMT
Tiny club compared to us so how can they spend £27m and we can't afford a penny chew? We can afford it. We just aren't allowed. |
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Post by sticky on Jan 16, 2023 12:08:18 GMT
Are our players really that shit (serious question) surely to god a manager worth is salt gets them doing better than the shit were seen at present. I don’t know anymore, it seems like a continual cycle of cock ups and dog shit, at some point these players need to look in the mirror and ask are they giving there all.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 12:14:07 GMT
Are our players really that shit (serious question) surely to god a manager worth is salt gets them doing better than the shit were seen at present. I don’t know anymore, it seems like a continual cycle of cock ups and dog shit, at some point these players need to look in the mirror and ask are they giving there all. Ever tried to undo a bolt with a screwdriver? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 16, 2023 12:15:45 GMT
It happens because a squad does well but ages. When they are successful players don't tend to move on but do age together. Some like Arnautovic and N'zonzi do have ambitions and they are difficult to replace. Unless you are a top club you have to fall lucky with recruiting lesser known players who develop at the club as Arnautovic and N'zonzi did. Then your players who stay are ageing together and again are difficult to replace. I think Whelan is a prime example of this. Mark Hughes knew he was getting on and was an important cog, tried at the start of two seasons to replace him before having to admit defeat and reinstate him in the team. The third time, big mistake, he let him leave the club after recruiting Allen, an upgrade he thought. Meanwhile Shawcross, Pieters, Walters, Crouch, Etherington et al were growing old together. We couldn't replace them all on our budget - our attempt to replace Huth resulted in us recruiting two disasters. Leicester are experiencing similar at the moment. They can't replace Vardy and I'm sure there are others. If you are a top club you can continually evolve because players want to play for you and are prepared to join your squad and await their chance. If you are a run of the mill Premier club players want reassurances about playing time and don't want to sit behind the likes of Whelan or Walters in the queue so you have to find a way of fitting them in often with disastrous consequences for the team as happened with Allen and Shaqiri neither of whom were a like for like replacement of an ageing player. I understand that it can be difficult for a club like Stoke to maintain the quality of the squad but our recruitment towards the end of our time in the PL was bad to even someone who had no interest in football. Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino were always going to be bad ideas even on small fees but what we paid for them was idiotic without hindsight even needed. Mark Hughes thought they would improve us at the time. Nobody argued with him. I can remember thinking that he would do with Berahino what he had done with Arnautovic. I was sceptical of Wimmer but thought he looked good in the first match. I'd never heard of Imbula and was quite excited that he would be another Arnautovic. In hindsight perhaps Arnautovic was the worst thing we did for the long term. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 12:15:56 GMT
First goal, too loose in midfield allowed them to work the ball and then spotted but didn’t pick up the scorer. Second, overplayed in midfield (schoolboy error for a holding midfielder) and didn’t recover. Third goal didn’t anticipate and again was 5 metres off the player delivering the cross. One game, three times not doing the CDM basics, he is not a CDM Seems to have what it takes physically, but doesn't seem to have the brain to spot things quickly enough. Or just isn't deployed in that role. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 12:17:31 GMT
I understand that it can be difficult for a club like Stoke to maintain the quality of the squad but our recruitment towards the end of our time in the PL was bad to even someone who had no interest in football. Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino were always going to be bad ideas even on small fees but what we paid for them was idiotic without hindsight even needed. Mark Hughes thought they would improve us at the time. Nobody argued with him. I can remember thinking that he would do with Berahino what he had done with Arnautovic. I was sceptical of Wimmer but thought he looked good in the first match. I'd never heard of Imbula and was quite excited that he would be another Arnautovic. In hindsight perhaps Arnautovic was the worst thing we did for the long term. Yeah who'd want to watch actual footballers when you can watch Mama Sidibe? |
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Post by sticky on Jan 16, 2023 12:17:32 GMT
Are our players really that shit (serious question) surely to god a manager worth is salt gets them doing better than the shit were seen at present. I don’t know anymore, it seems like a continual cycle of cock ups and dog shit, at some point these players need to look in the mirror and ask are they giving there all. Ever tried to undo a bolt with a screwdriver? I think “tried” is what I was getting at tbh |
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Post by skip on Jan 16, 2023 12:21:22 GMT
WhatsApp msg from my nipper: "Still no news on us finding a new keeper or anyone else then LOL."
Out of the mouth of babes.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 16, 2023 12:26:23 GMT
Keeping the powder dry for our League 1 campaign next season.
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Post by stormin on Jan 16, 2023 12:27:09 GMT
We just need see something this week Keeper first followed by a striker for me It will be a bit like the Celeb football match in the Porridge film, lots of expectation but reality is a bunch of crooks and has been's |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 16, 2023 12:29:00 GMT
Mark Hughes thought they would improve us at the time. Nobody argued with him. I can remember thinking that he would do with Berahino what he had done with Arnautovic. I was sceptical of Wimmer but thought he looked good in the first match. I'd never heard of Imbula and was quite excited that he would be another Arnautovic. In hindsight perhaps Arnautovic was the worst thing we did for the long term. Yeah who'd want to watch actual footballers when you can watch Mama Sidibe? No you misunderstand. Arnautovic alongside Fuller was my favourite player of the Premier era. I just think he might have fooled Mark Hughes into thinking he could turn dog turds into diamonds so he persisted in recruiting misfit players. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 16, 2023 12:30:25 GMT
Yeah who'd want to watch actual footballers when you can watch Mama Sidibe? No you misunderstand. Arnautovic alongside Fuller was my favourite player of the Premier era. I just think he might have fooled Mark Hughes into thinking he could turn dog turds into diamonds so he persisted in recruiting misfit players. Unlike Pulis (and of the two I'd choose Hughes every time) he began to think character could be changed and coped with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 12:35:15 GMT
Bournemouth spending £27m on a player I've never heard of, yet Stoke can't afford to pay a player we've had on loan since August. How the fuck has it come to this? Seriously, what do the likes of John Coates seriously think about where the club is right now. Fucking Bournemouth are lightyears ahead of us right now, yet people still lick the boards arses Look at Brighton! Similar size club to Stoke , Alexis MacCallister on the pitch , Billy Gilmour on the bench Billy Gilmour is streets ahead of any Stoke player and yet plays league cup / FA cup, on the bench for the prem ,for Brighton. We are now so far behind even medium sized teams, that have got their recruitment right,it's mind blowing. We are not even in the same galaxy as Brighton,never mind on the same planet . And at a guess , Brighton will probably win nothing. |
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Post by potter25 on Jan 16, 2023 12:36:46 GMT
We just need see something this week Keeper first followed by a striker for me It will be a bit like the Celeb football match in the Porridge film, lots of expectation but reality is a bunch of crooks and has been's A weatherman from Anglia TV and Buck Tarbrush |
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Post by s7oke on Jan 16, 2023 12:37:49 GMT
Bournemouth spending £27m on a player I've never heard of, yet Stoke can't afford to pay a player we've had on loan since August. How the fuck has it come to this? Seriously, what do the likes of John Coates seriously think about where the club is right now. Fucking Bournemouth are lightyears ahead of us right now, yet people still lick the boards arses Look at Brighton! Similar size club to Stoke , Alexis MacCallister on the pitch , Billy Gilmour on the bench Billy Gilmour is streets ahead of any Stoke player and yet plays league cup / FA cup, on the bench for the prem ,for Brighton. We are now so far behind even medium sized teams, that have got their recruitment right,it's mind blowing. We are not even in the same galaxy as Brighton,never mind on the same planet . And at a guess , Brighton will probably win nothing. To be fair I don’t think any premiership recruitment team has been as good as the one at Brighton |
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