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Post by idle on Jan 16, 2023 8:32:26 GMT
When does anyone expect any incoming players? In the summer :-( |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 8:47:50 GMT
It’s the fault of the owners. I’m not sure why you’d expect them to have any footballing principles, they know no more about the game than any other fan. All they want is success, that’s why they lurch around all over the place from one snake oil salesman to the next. A club needs a consistent culture and philosophy which can be tweaked by replacing individuals whilst retaining that consistency of thinking which can be adapted as the game evolves as it does quite slowly across the board. Who’d have thought you could go from being an awfully slow low energy passing team to a high energy direct team at the flick of a switch. The structure of the club is far too simplistic and is being steered by people who have no football beliefs or experience they need to employ people with them and stick with that culture and philosophy whilst any of the personnel may be changed they are recruited to the philosophy not bring their own with them. I think you are having an argument with yourself. I said John Coates is crap at running a football club. No more so than his father. He’s lost a shit tonne of their money but he’s not even taken us to the third tier once yet never mind twice. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 16, 2023 8:52:54 GMT
Just read that West Ham and Wolves both now in for Souttar, new about Wolves but this s the first time ive heard about West Ham. Be nice if there was a dutch auction going on driving his value up. Still think we will be lucky to get 15m
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 9:11:44 GMT
Is he? He can’t tackle, doesn’t read the game well and gets run past like he isn’t there. The definition of a nothing player. Yeah, that's why we need another DM. So who do you think should be DM? Laurent, who makes equal amounts of defensive howlers as Wilmot? Baker, who can't even do the basics right, nevermind tackle? Even when we played with both teams just cut through the middle like the proverbial hot knife in butter! So when has Laurent made these defensive howlers playing as a DM? Fucked up at the weekend trying to do too much which he would be instructed not to as a DM. His standout season at Reading was as a DM when he won their player of the season. He’s even played professionally at CB so I’d say your opinion is wrong. It might not be what he wants to do but it’s his best position rather like Etebo who never played there for Stoke. |
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Post by stokie1947 on Jan 16, 2023 9:12:13 GMT
surely must be one or two coming in this week
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 16, 2023 9:21:14 GMT
We need a new midfield. At the minute though the deepest midfielder should imo be Kilkenny. Isn't he a technical, creative player? While I agree we need more of that, we also need ball winners. He’s a reasonably good passer and distributor of the ball, and could strike up a decent partnership alongside a more tenacious CDM that puts in the tackles and breaks up play. |
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Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2023 9:22:15 GMT
surely must be one or two coming in this week only if we sell unless its loans courtesy of Delap going |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 16, 2023 9:30:52 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 16, 2023 9:33:09 GMT
Just read that West Ham and Wolves both now in for Souttar, new about Wolves but this s the first time ive heard about West Ham. Be nice if there was a dutch auction going on driving his value up. Still think we will be lucky to get 15m We really don’t want a Dutch auction… |
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 9:34:22 GMT
So whilst we've had to endure shit goalkeepers for the last 5 years, Gary Mellor has represented Iversen and sent him to fucking Preston. Brilliant. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 16, 2023 9:34:56 GMT
Leicester wanted Souttar when they signed Vestergaard. Pretty certain I said that on here.. anyway, looks like they're trying to shift him now and I'd be surprised if they weren't still interested in Harry.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 16, 2023 9:38:47 GMT
Just read that West Ham and Wolves both now in for Souttar, new about Wolves but this s the first time ive heard about West Ham. Be nice if there was a dutch auction going on driving his value up. Still think we will be lucky to get 15m We really don’t want a Dutch auction… Ive just googled the meaning ha. Yes you are right, perhaps a traditional auction |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 9:39:50 GMT
Leicester wanted Souttar when they signed Vestergaard. Pretty certain I said that on here.. anyway, looks like they're trying to shift him now and I'd be surprised if they weren't still interested in Harry. Leicester & Wolves would IMO be very good moves for Harry both clubs have good progressive coaches. |
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 16, 2023 9:40:22 GMT
Harry is having the dip in performance most expected after his injury. Any watching scouts wouldn’t have come away from Bramall Lane impressed with his performance on Saturday.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 16, 2023 9:43:26 GMT
Harry is having the dip in performance most expected after his injury. Any watching scouts wouldn’t have come away from Bramall Lane impressed with his performance on Saturday. It was always my fear after the adrenalin ceased and it's perfectly normal. In fairness any clubs looking at him will be aware of that also.................. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 16, 2023 9:44:17 GMT
Leicester wanted Souttar when they signed Vestergaard. Pretty certain I said that on here.. anyway, looks like they're trying to shift him now and I'd be surprised if they weren't still interested in Harry. Leicester & Wolves would IMO be very good moves for Harry both clubs have good progressive coaches. Leicester would be perfect for him. Not sure how much more time Rogers will get unless he pulls a couple of results out of the bag soon though......... |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 16, 2023 9:49:25 GMT
So whilst we've had to endure shit goalkeepers for the last 5 years, Gary Mellor has represented Iversen and sent him to fucking Preston. Brilliant. To be fair, it sounds like he's always bent over backwards to get any appropriate players on his books to Stoke. But he was representing Bonham when he came, so it doesn't always work! Mind you, he was clearly only envisaged to be a very cheap third-choice emergency back-up. Quite how the hell he's ended up being No. 1 is mind-boggling, probably for all concerned! But it does make you realise how important personal relationships are in doing some deals, especially when you're on a budget. His personal relationships were responsible for loads of outward Stoke loans over the years. And only recently, he was representing Goodwin and he also represents the Cheltenham manager, Wade Elliott. And, on a different note, also interesting to see MON and Morgan Fox are both represented by the same agency. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 16, 2023 9:51:15 GMT
Harry is having the dip in performance most expected after his injury. Any watching scouts wouldn’t have come away from Bramall Lane impressed with his performance on Saturday. HE ISN'T PLAYED IN HIS BEST POSITION! HARRY NEEDS TO PLAY IN THE MIDDLE!  |
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Post by knype on Jan 16, 2023 9:52:43 GMT
He's the only DM we have, and everyone and their granny can see that the team needs one. Doesn't mean we rate him. I'd rather have Allen or Mikel, but he's what we have. Is he? He can’t tackle, doesn’t read the game well and gets run past like he isn’t there. The definition of a nothing player. Completely agree with that 100% |
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Post by Biblical on Jan 16, 2023 10:00:00 GMT
Harry is having the dip in performance most expected after his injury. Any watching scouts wouldn’t have come away from Bramall Lane impressed with his performance on Saturday. HE ISN'T PLAYED IN HIS BEST POSITION! HARRY NEEDS TO PLAY IN THE MIDDLE! Interesting insight from Shawcross when he was commentating saying that he only liked playing in the middle of a 3. If you’re playing in the wide positions you’re effectively covering two positions and never knew quite where he should be positioned. Souttar should definitely be played in the middle. |
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 16, 2023 10:02:04 GMT
I think you are having an argument with yourself. I said John Coates is crap at running a football club. No more so than his father. He’s lost a shit tonne of their money but he’s not even taken us to the third tier once yet never mind twice. Whatever your thoughts on Coates senior he took us to the Prem and stabilised for ten years. |
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 16, 2023 10:14:56 GMT
Harry is having the dip in performance most expected after his injury. Any watching scouts wouldn’t have come away from Bramall Lane impressed with his performance on Saturday. HE ISN'T PLAYED IN HIS BEST POSITION! HARRY NEEDS TO PLAY IN THE MIDDLE! I AGREE |
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jan 16, 2023 10:16:57 GMT
I can't believe it's the 16th January and we've done the square root of FA in terms of transfer business.
We've sold a 2nd choice keeper to a Belgian team and a loan player has left. Where is the urgency to do some business? It's so eerily quiet it's unreal.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 16, 2023 10:19:30 GMT
Just read that West Ham and Wolves both now in for Souttar, new about Wolves but this s the first time ive heard about West Ham. Be nice if there was a dutch auction going on driving his value up. Still think we will be lucky to get 15m We really don’t want a Dutch auction… It'll just clog everything up |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 10:20:30 GMT
No more so than his father. He’s lost a shit tonne of their money but he’s not even taken us to the third tier once yet never mind twice. Whatever your thoughts on Coates senior he took us to the Prem and stabilised for ten years. He threw some money at the wall and it stuck for a while. He also took us into the third tier twice out of three times in our entire hisTory. Third tier is not Stoke’s natural level so he obviously under performed badly. Ten years in the Prem should have set us fair for years but it’s been squandered by the family running the club like it’s still the 1980’s and 1-0 to the Arsenal is what successful football looks like. |
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Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2023 10:21:03 GMT
I can't believe it's the 16th January and we've done the square root of FA in terms of transfer business. We've sold a 2nd choice keeper to a Belgian team and a loan player has left. Where is the urgency to do some business? It's so eerily quiet it's unreal. I cant believe supporters haven't realised yet that we are maxed out re FFP , we can't buy any players this window without selling first |
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 10:38:35 GMT
So whilst we've had to endure shit goalkeepers for the last 5 years, Gary Mellor has represented Iversen and sent him to fucking Preston. Brilliant. To be fair, it sounds like he's always bent over backwards to get any appropriate players on his books to Stoke. But he was representing Bonham when he came, so it doesn't always work! Mind you, he was clearly only envisaged to be a very cheap third-choice emergency back-up. Quite how the hell he's ended up being No. 1 is mind-boggling, probably for all concerned! But it does make you realise how important personal relationships are in doing some deals, especially when you're on a budget. His personal relationships were responsible for loads of outward Stoke loans over the years. And only recently, he was representing Goodwin and he also represents the Cheltenham manager, Wade Elliott. And, on a different note, also interesting to see MON and Morgan Fox are both represented by the same agency. Does make you wonder if we operate in such a small pool now, only willing to deal with a certain few agents. |
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jan 16, 2023 10:39:29 GMT
I can't believe it's the 16th January and we've done the square root of FA in terms of transfer business. We've sold a 2nd choice keeper to a Belgian team and a loan player has left. Where is the urgency to do some business? It's so eerily quiet it's unreal. I cant believe supporters haven't realised yet that we are maxed out re FFP , we can't buy any players this window without selling first Yes I understand re FFP, but we have now sold a player(and for a decent sum we're led to believe). Surely we knew the Bursik deal was going to happen well before it actually did, so why didn't we have a replacement lined up to sign? We're letting games, weeks go by and we don't have time to piss about. If we don't want the loan players, then why are we actively not moving them on? I know Neil keeps coming out in the media and saying 'we're working on this and that, and we have to be patient etc' but it's not good enough. We are sliding towards League 1, so we don't have the luxury of patience. Look at Huddersfield who are in a similar position and they have made some good signings earlier this month. Knockaert Waghorn Lowton All solid signings at this level and will give them a good chance of staying up. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 16, 2023 10:52:05 GMT
This has to be the longest transfer window thread with no signings ever?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 16, 2023 10:57:49 GMT
We’ve just done 10 years in the Premiership. They won’t. How are they doing more than us. Football is cyclical. They will be back shortly I don’t get the football is cyclical thing, or at least it being used as an excuse. We were relegated because of bad player and staff recruitment and we could be relegated again for the same reasons. If where we are now is just a cyclical thing then we can’t praise or respect the Coates’ for the successful years in the PL as that was just cyclical too. It happens because a squad does well but ages. When they are successful players don't tend to move on but do age together. Some like Arnautovic and N'zonzi do have ambitions and they are difficult to replace. Unless you are a top club you have to fall lucky with recruiting lesser known players who develop at the club as Arnautovic and N'zonzi did. Then your players who stay are ageing together and again are difficult to replace. I think Whelan is a prime example of this. Mark Hughes knew he was getting on and was an important cog, tried at the start of two seasons to replace him before having to admit defeat and reinstate him in the team. The third time, big mistake, he let him leave the club after recruiting Allen, an upgrade he thought. Meanwhile Shawcross, Pieters, Walters, Crouch, Etherington et al were growing old together. We couldn't replace them all on our budget - our attempt to replace Huth resulted in us recruiting two disasters. Leicester are experiencing similar at the moment. They can't replace Vardy and I'm sure there are others. If you are a top club you can continually evolve because players want to play for you and are prepared to join your squad and await their chance. If you are a run of the mill Premier club players want reassurances about playing time and don't want to sit behind the likes of Whelan or Walters in the queue so you have to find a way of fitting them in often with disastrous consequences for the team as happened with Allen and Shaqiri neither of whom were a like for like replacement of an ageing player. |
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