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Post by pushon on Jan 15, 2023 20:56:59 GMT
He’d be perfect providing his legs haven’t gone. Wood’s another one however I think he’s still getting some game-time at Newcastle. Are they on free transfers? And in Woods case happy with a 75% pay cut? Please stop asking sensible questions, it'll spoil the thread. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 15, 2023 21:00:17 GMT
Are they on free transfers? And in Woods case happy with a 75% pay cut? Please stop asking sensible questions, it'll spoil the thread. In the case of Barnes I doubt he’s on big buck. Burnley aren’t big payers. Granted Wood’s unrealistic as he was a sub today but I’m sure there’s clubs who loan there players to get games. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 15, 2023 21:04:24 GMT
Crossley, Taggart and Akinbiyi turned the worst side in the league into one of the hardest teams to beat and not one of them were world beaters. Just good experienced pros who new what it took to win games of football. What we’d give for three similar players this window. Pulis turned them into the hardest side to beat Over time. The three players mentioned had an instant impact with results improving from their first game. |
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Post by st3mark on Jan 15, 2023 21:13:06 GMT
Pulis turned them into the hardest side to beat Over time. The three players mentioned had an instant impact with results improving from their first game. Chosen by a manager with a clue what his tactics were to do a very specific role that they were perfectly chosen for. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 15, 2023 21:34:33 GMT
Over time. The three players mentioned had an instant impact with results improving from their first game. Chosen by a manager with a clue what his tactics were to do a very specific role that they were perfectly chosen for. It’s a chicken or the egg debate really. The new signings completely transformed the side but they were only there because of the manager. |
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Post by st3mark on Jan 15, 2023 21:40:40 GMT
Chosen by a manager with a clue what his tactics were to do a very specific role that they were perfectly chosen for. It’s a chicken or the egg debate really. The new signings completely transformed the side but they were only there because of the manager. Correct. Our trouble currently is the chicken in the hen house is infertile. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 15, 2023 21:43:29 GMT
No matter who we get in or ship out won’t make a jot of difference until the club recognises the real issue. The manager is given way too much power at Stoke. It’s as simple as that. Giving that much responsibility to a guy who coaches footballers will never work
Neil may have seen that as a bonus, I very much doubt he does now already
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2023 21:48:37 GMT
Please stop asking sensible questions, it'll spoil the thread. In the case of Barnes I doubt he’s on big buck. Burnley aren’t big payers. Granted Wood’s unrealistic as he was a sub today but I’m sure there’s clubs who loan there players to get games. They would want a fee, he's been on pl wages Lower end pl wages but he would still have to take a pay cut With no FFP it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion As it is it's a non starter We are in free transfer market and in January there probably aren't any of interest As such it's loans out loans in If we sell Souttar then Barnes becomes feasible Woods would still be on far too much money unless Newcastle subsidised it |
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2023 21:49:00 GMT
No matter who we get in or ship out won’t make a jot of difference until the club recognises the real issue. The manager is given way too much power at Stoke. It’s as simple as that. Giving that much responsibility to a guy who coaches footballers will never work Neil may have seen that as a bonus, I very much doubt he does now already Let's get a DoF in like Everton |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 15, 2023 21:53:09 GMT
No matter who we get in or ship out won’t make a jot of difference until the club recognises the real issue. The manager is given way too much power at Stoke. It’s as simple as that. Giving that much responsibility to a guy who coaches footballers will never work Neil may have seen that as a bonus, I very much doubt he does now already Let's get a DoF in like Everton So you think there’s nowt up with the structure at the club then? |
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2023 21:54:49 GMT
Let's get a DoF in like Everton So you think there’s nowt up with the structure at the club then? I've heard the arguments Utterly unconvinced by DoF for Stoke City |
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 15, 2023 22:06:04 GMT
Let's get a DoF in like Everton So you think there’s nowt up with the structure at the club then? I think the only thing wrong with the structure is that Coates Jnr. is crap at running a football club. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 15, 2023 22:13:28 GMT
So you think there’s nowt up with the structure at the club then? I've heard the arguments Utterly unconvinced by DoF for Stoke City Unfortunately there’s nothing unique about Stoke City except in the eyes of it’s fans. It’s just another football club like many others. As explained it’s not about a DoF or not having one. It’s having a structure that steers the club based on a consistent club culture with consistent footballing philosophy which can be tweaked by replacing individuals without chucking everything out of the window and starting a new project from scratch. This is something that will happen endlessly with the Messiah manager model especially when the people choosing the manager have no football beliefs and philosophies that they’re willing to stick to. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 15, 2023 22:16:33 GMT
Ashley Barnes? God help us.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 15, 2023 22:16:50 GMT
So you think there’s nowt up with the structure at the club then? I think the only thing wrong with the structure is that Coates Jnr. is crap at running a football club. It’s not the only problem at all. As has always been said no player is bigger than the club. We’ll no manager is either, yet every time we employ one we surrender the whole club to their whims. |
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Post by sportsman on Jan 15, 2023 22:18:05 GMT
Let's get a DoF in like Everton So you think there’s nowt up with the structure at the club then? Wonder how many DOF there are out there that are good. Looking over the weekend at YouTube clips of fans, social media etc let's look at who's fans are looking for a restructure of their club. Liverpool, Everton, spurs, Chelsea, west ham, Leicester, Southampton until this week, Leeds. That's just the prem. Sit in protests, death threats. Then you could probably say about 80% of the championship are not happy with their club and how it's run. I don't like the way football is going, fast. If it was possible to do, I'd have it where whatever manager you start the season with, you can't change it until at the end. That would stop the weekly moaning of nearly every club demanding 10 Managers a season like it's voting someone out of a reality show, the public have voted. I remember going stoke in the 80's and win, lose or draw, you went home, played footy the next day and pretended be a player and that was it. Of course there's always been ups and downs with all clubs, but everything is over thought nowadays by fans. Everything is one game disaster. I just keep thinking of the bigger picture of the end of the season, why AN said yes, because FFP is clearing up, players out of contract, big red build and hopefully something good to look forward to. |
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 15, 2023 22:27:19 GMT
I think the only thing wrong with the structure is that Coates Jnr. is crap at running a football club. It’s not the only problem at all. As has always been said no player is bigger than the club. We’ll no manager is either, yet every time we employ one we surrender the whole club to their whims. And whose fault is that then? |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 15, 2023 22:34:52 GMT
Ashley Barnes? God help us. I’m sure there’s plenty we’re saying the same about Sidibe when he signed. Sometimes it’s about the sum of the parts and building a unit. |
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 15, 2023 22:44:06 GMT
Ashley Barnes? God help us. Anyone else think Barnes is exactly what we need or is that just me? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 22:45:23 GMT
Ashley Barnes? 33 year old striker?
Christ alive, some people never learn.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 15, 2023 22:46:43 GMT
Ashley Barnes? 33 year old striker? Christ alive, some people never learn. I wouldn't be against a lone for the rest of the season tbh but I think he's been getting games this season so I doubt they'd let him go just for that. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 15, 2023 22:47:54 GMT
Ashley Barnes? God help us. Anyone else think Barnes is exactly what we need or is that just me? As a loan maybe. He’s the type we need because the current crop aren’t working. We just need someone who can lead the line who’s legs haven’t gone and has experience at this level. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 15, 2023 22:52:13 GMT
So you think there’s nowt up with the structure at the club then? I've heard the arguments Utterly unconvinced by DoF for Stoke City How do you see things improving then? Everton are proof that it’s not a magic formula but they’re also an example of how not to do it - they don’t seem to have an identity in terms of the managers they recruit or the signings they make, like us. The way to do it is to have an ethos in place and recruit managers who fit that. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 15, 2023 22:52:46 GMT
Thompson was better second half, Laurent too, but boy first half they were both beyond awful. For all 3 goals, Laurent was 5 years off the player making the decisive move |
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Post by march4 on Jan 15, 2023 22:54:27 GMT
I've heard the arguments Utterly unconvinced by DoF for Stoke City How do you see things improving then? Everton are proof that it’s not a magic formula but they’re also an example of how not to do it - they don’t seem to have an identity in terms of the managers they recruit or the signings they make, like us. The way to do it is to have an ethos in place and recruit managers who fit that. I think the owners need a ‘football person’ on the board. No idea who though (it was very hard not to suggest TP). |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 15, 2023 22:54:29 GMT
It’s not the only problem at all. As has always been said no player is bigger than the club. We’ll no manager is either, yet every time we employ one we surrender the whole club to their whims. And whose fault is that then? It’s the fault of the owners. I’m not sure why you’d expect them to have any footballing principles, they know no more about the game than any other fan. All they want is success, that’s why they lurch around all over the place from one snake oil salesman to the next. A club needs a consistent culture and philosophy which can be tweaked by replacing individuals whilst retaining that consistency of thinking which can be adapted as the game evolves as it does quite slowly across the board. Who’d have thought you could go from being an awfully slow low energy passing team to a high energy direct team at the flick of a switch. The structure of the club is far too simplistic and is being steered by people who have no football beliefs or experience they need to employ people with them and stick with that culture and philosophy whilst any of the personnel may be changed they are recruited to the philosophy not bring their own with them. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 15, 2023 22:55:39 GMT
I've heard the arguments Utterly unconvinced by DoF for Stoke City How do you see things improving then? Everton are proof that it’s not a magic formula but they’re also an example of how not to do it - they don’t seem to have an identity in terms of the managers they recruit or the signings they make, like us. The way to do it is to have an ethos in place and recruit managers who fit that. Amen |
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 15, 2023 22:58:56 GMT
And whose fault is that then? It’s the fault of the owners. I’m not sure why you’d expect them to have any footballing principles, they know no more about the game than any other fan. All they want is success, that’s why they lurch around all over the place from one snake oil salesman to the next. A club needs a consistent culture and philosophy which can be tweaked by replacing individuals whilst retaining that consistency of thinking which can be adapted as the game evolves as it does quite slowly across the board. Who’d have thought you could go from being an awfully slow low energy passing team to a high energy direct team at the flick of a switch. The structure of the club is far too simplistic and is being steered by people who have no football beliefs or experience they need to employ people with them and stick with that culture and philosophy whilst any of the personnel may be changed they are recruited to the philosophy not bring their own with them. I think you are having an argument with yourself. I said John Coates is crap at running a football club. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 15, 2023 23:03:54 GMT
How do you see things improving then? Everton are proof that it’s not a magic formula but they’re also an example of how not to do it - they don’t seem to have an identity in terms of the managers they recruit or the signings they make, like us. The way to do it is to have an ethos in place and recruit managers who fit that. I think the owners need a ‘football person’ on the board. No idea who though (it was very hard not to suggest TP). I think it’s more a bridge between the boardroom and the pitch/training ground that’s needed really. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2023 23:04:36 GMT
How do you see things improving then? Everton are proof that it’s not a magic formula but they’re also an example of how not to do it - they don’t seem to have an identity in terms of the managers they recruit or the signings they make, like us. The way to do it is to have an ethos in place and recruit managers who fit that. I think the owners need a ‘football person’ on the board. No idea who though (it was very hard not to suggest TP). It was one of the first thing the Shanahans did with Vale, they got a football person in to assist them. Vale are streets ahead of us in terms of their structures and the feel around the club. Newbie owners got it spot on. Yet ours couldn’t even take the hint with a relegation that they needed to change. It’s exhausting. |
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