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Post by shakermaker on Jan 14, 2023 21:21:29 GMT
GK - BentleyLB DM - PearsonAM CF - JugillThese three loans (assuming we don’t sell Harry) will save our skins. Wow !! What a mess we are in if Jordan Hugill (or Jugill if you prefer) is our saviour He’s actually not as bad as people seem to think he is, and on a loan till the end of the season he’d be miles better than the shite excuse for strikers that we currently have on our books. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 14, 2023 21:25:37 GMT
Wow !! What a mess we are in if Jordan Hugill (or Jugill if you prefer) is our saviour He’s actually not as bad as people seem to think he is, and on a loan till the end of the season he’d be miles better than the shite excuse for strikers that we currently have on our books. To be honest it’d be nice just to have players that actually suit the system that the manager wants to play too. Right now it feels like jack of all trades ace of none. We need to have a style of play, buy players that suit it and stick to it. |
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 14, 2023 21:35:40 GMT
He’s actually not as bad as people seem to think he is, and on a loan till the end of the season he’d be miles better than the shite excuse for strikers that we currently have on our books. To be honest it’d be nice just to have players that actually suit the system that the manager wants to play too. Right now it feels like jack of all trades ace of none. We need to have a style of play, buy players that suit it and stick to it. Neil seems hell bent on wanting two holding midfielders, despite our squad probably being more suited to having just one. So if someone like Pearson came in then at least he can play alongside Thompson, Laurent, or Baker (the latter of who I think, if he has to play in defensive midfield, operates better as a sole operator than alongside somebody). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 21:44:03 GMT
Wow !! What a mess we are in if Jordan Hugill (or Jugill if you prefer) is our saviour He’s actually not as bad as people seem to think he is, and on a loan till the end of the season he’d be miles better than the shite excuse for strikers that we currently have on our books. He's like a budget version of Kevin Davies. I think he'd do a decent job for us in the short term. |
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Post by Sfance on Jan 14, 2023 21:50:40 GMT
I don’t think new players are going to make much difference to the SCFC curse that’s been hanging over us since Lambert. Players come and go, before they come they’re supposed to be good. Then after two-three games they become useless. Who knows why but it’s been going on long enough now to prove there’s a real problem somewhere. And AN is no better than the players. He’s here for the pay-check and the players know that. But then again we did best Hartlepool. I think the only thing that MIGHT make a difference is if Vale get into the play-off spots which is quite possible at the moment. That might clear a few cobwebs.
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Post by wingy11 on Jan 14, 2023 23:26:31 GMT
We are in deep shit if we don't get players in, we need it to be players who are mood lifters as well.. I wouldn’t know what players he would go for as i don't know what system we
Use anymore
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 14, 2023 23:32:57 GMT
We are in deep shit if we don't get players in, we need it to be players who are mood lifters as well.. I wouldn’t know what players he would go for as i don't know what system we Use anymore I think Bego would be a great signing. Even if he comes as a number 2 he’d be a great addition and he’d take the supporters back to better times. One things for sure we need fighters. |
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Post by st3mark on Jan 14, 2023 23:38:51 GMT
I miss the days when we had a manager where the system and tactics were clear and I could look at a player and say "he'd do well at stoke"
Like with early early Pulis the tactics always stayed the same but the quality of player evolved. Chadwick to lawrence to pennant would be an example. Mama to Jones to crouch would be another. Simo to sorensen to Bego etc etc etc.
Even with Hughes although his success didn't last as long it was clear what the style was. Ireland, Bojan, Affelay all clearly signed to provide a specific role to the squad. Assaidi and moses evolved into shaq and arnie etc.
We have no structure at all now. No identity. I don't know who we need to sign because I watch all the matches and don't know what the plan is. Especially at home.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 14, 2023 23:56:37 GMT
I think he'll try and get out as many players as possible in order to bring in as many as possible.
He knows he's exhausted every avenue with the current set up so the only thing he can do is change the personnel and hope it works out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 1:43:40 GMT
We are in deep shit if we don't get players in, we need it to be players who are mood lifters as well.. I wouldn’t know what players he would go for as i don't know what system we Use anymore I think Bego would be a great signing. Even if he comes as a number 2 he’d be a great addition and he’d take the supporters back to better times. One things for sure we need fighters. On what planet would Begovic come as a No.2? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 15, 2023 1:44:09 GMT
I think he'll try and get out as many players as possible in order to bring in as many as possible. He knows he's exhausted every avenue with the current set up so the only thing he can do is change the personnel and hope it works out. He can’t be allowed a second past 9.00sm Monday if he is further disaster awaits , he’s no idea to fix it and the last thing we need now is a squad full of Neil’s choices in a relegated squad |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 15, 2023 2:36:25 GMT
Wow !! What a mess we are in if Jordan Hugill (or Jugill if you prefer) is our saviour He’s actually not as bad as people seem to think he is, and on a loan till the end of the season he’d be miles better than the shite excuse for strikers that we currently have on our books. Pearson played for bournemouth today so we can forget that one not that I’d let Neil sign a autograph let alone a player |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 15, 2023 4:57:47 GMT
I think Bego would be a great signing. Even if he comes as a number 2 he’d be a great addition and he’d take the supporters back to better times. One things for sure we need fighters. On what planet would Begovic come as a No.2? how old is he now though? |
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Post by telfordstokie on Jan 15, 2023 6:07:48 GMT
Isn’t Begovic meant to be on massive money at Everton as their back up? Don’t see it happening.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jan 15, 2023 7:01:32 GMT
I think he'll try and get out as many players as possible in order to bring in as many as possible. He knows he's exhausted every avenue with the current set up so the only thing he can do is change the personnel and hope it works out. He's not had the response he wants from the players so, you go and get your own in. It takes time and money but we don't have much of either so I hope compromise isn't on the agenda. I'd love a Mark Crossley type keeper signing. A midfield leader. As a bare minimum.... |
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Post by questionable on Jan 15, 2023 9:47:00 GMT
Wasn’t Clive Clarke alluding to only certain players wanting to to play for him due to AN reputation in the game.
Our current crop of shit players have somehow got worse and it can only be down to AN
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Post by gaznandi on Jan 15, 2023 9:48:30 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 15, 2023 10:07:34 GMT
Wasn’t Clive Clarke alluding to only certain players wanting to to play for him due to AN reputation in the game. Our current crop of shit players have somehow got worse and it can only be down to AN Which is why he needs to bring his own players in. It does give concern though that if he does have this reputation why Bring him in half way through the season to work with players he doesn’t want. and Bring him in at all if potentially a lot of players won’t want to play for him. |
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Post by sportsman on Jan 15, 2023 10:16:49 GMT
Wasn’t Clive Clarke alluding to only certain players wanting to to play for him due to AN reputation in the game. Our current crop of shit players have somehow got worse and it can only be down to AN Which is why he needs to bring his own players in. It does give concern though that if he does have this reputation why Bring him in half way through the season to work with players he doesn’t want. and Bring him in at all if potentially a lot of players won’t want to play for him. Because modern players don't like having to work hard. |
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 15, 2023 10:23:53 GMT
I don't see a team not playing for the manager, the effort is there, they just aren't very good as a collective.
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Post by keasie1863 on Jan 15, 2023 10:28:44 GMT
Even if a player like porteous was interested in a move here,I doubt he would want to come to us now for a relegation battle,without paying stupid wages,and that is now the problem the management team have.The longer we wait he more desperate we become,and that is a recipe for disaster. |
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Post by crowey on Jan 15, 2023 10:29:26 GMT
… I guess that’s why we’re not putting in a bid for Ryan Porteous unless we sell Big H |
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Post by keasie1863 on Jan 15, 2023 10:33:24 GMT
I don't see a team not playing for the manager, the effort is there, they just aren't very good as a collective. Correct,I see plenty of effort,case in point smallbone he runs around a lot,just doesn't do much.i see players trying they just aren't very good,a lot of our problems will elbe exacerbated due to lack of confidence unfortunately. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 15, 2023 10:34:26 GMT
Which is why he needs to bring his own players in. It does give concern though that if he does have this reputation why Bring him in half way through the season to work with players he doesn’t want. and Bring him in at all if potentially a lot of players won’t want to play for him. Because modern players don't like having to work hard. Pretty sure they cover more ground so that is bullshit. They do seem to have an aversion to physical battles and I think you need plenty of that in your team to complement the flair players. Unfortunately I think AN and a lot of Stoke fans have an aversion to flair players. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 15, 2023 10:55:41 GMT
I don't see a team not playing for the manager, the effort is there, they just aren't very good as a collective. Correct,I see plenty of effort,case in point smallbone he runs around a lot,just doesn't do much.i see players trying they just aren't very good,a lot of our problems will elbe exacerbated due to lack of confidence unfortunately. They run around a lot trying to do things to which their game is unsuited eg Thompson and his horrific delivery and shooting yesterday. He could have fielded what I’d consider a well balanced midfield yesterday Laurent DM Baker CM box to box Powell AM. Laurent might not want to play DM but with instruction to be uber disciplined and concentrate on breaking play and ball winning I think he’d be ideal. Why anyone other than Baker or Powell would be delivering dead balls I haven’t a clue. I can see why you’d play Powell up top from our current options only if aerial bombardment was the order of the day but we didn’t really play that way. Confusingly when we do a La Preston he doesn’t start Nick up top. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 15, 2023 11:00:34 GMT
I think he'll try and get out as many players as possible in order to bring in as many as possible. He knows he's exhausted every avenue with the current set up so the only thing he can do is change the personnel and hope it works out. I think you are right. It's a massive gamble to make wholesale changes in January but if he continues doing what he's doing with this squad we are going down. I don't think it's that he's lost the dressing room more that he doesn't want it and the players know it and don't seem committed or suited to the current game plan. The alternative is to sack Neil and get a manager in who can work with what we've got - a squad perfectly capable of staying up if setup to get the best out of them. Either way we have to make a decision - fudge it and carry on doing what we are doing and we're down. |
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 15, 2023 11:02:36 GMT
I agree with last, they either back him, get a turnaround of fortune, or get rid with still time on the window to wheel & deal, there can absolutely be no half measures this time..
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2023 11:07:44 GMT
I agree with last, they either back him, get a turnaround of fortune, or get rid with still time on the window to wheel & deal, there can absolutely be no half measures this time.. We can't spend a penny re FFP as such they can't 'back him' If we want to buy players we have to sell If we don't want to sell then loans out loans in (or free transfers which are rare in January) are the only options Why anyone is still thinking that the board should be splashing the cash atm is astonishing FFP is killing us |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 15, 2023 11:12:46 GMT
I agree with last, they either back him, get a turnaround of fortune, or get rid with still time on the window to wheel & deal, there can absolutely be no half measures this time.. We can't spend a penny re FFP as such they can't 'back him' If we want to buy players we have to sell If we don't want to sell then loans out loans in (or free transfers which are rare in January) are the only options Why anyone is still thinking that the board should be splashing the cash atm is astonishing FFP is killing us If that’s the case you have to question what was his motivation for leaving a bigger club that were higher in the table. I bet we’re not the only ones having regrets about him joining if he’s been given false promises. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 15, 2023 11:25:30 GMT
Whatever type of player (fee/free/loan) is brought in during this window the priority must be to secure Championship survival (and hopefully beyond).
We’re facing the biggest player squad restructure in the summer (in one hit) that I can remember. It’s massive if we want to witness real progress
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