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Post by foster on Apr 17, 2024 9:33:36 GMT
Hang on a sec. we're posting on a thread that for 18 months has been debating the topic in hand, exclusively in the context of the United Kingdom. And wannabee was asking has the topic all of sudden expanded (I see we're on to New York now too) , I think that's a perfectly reasonable question to ask and more importantly, where has wannabee remotely suggested in his post that the plumber's "working class opinion does not matter at all"?
What is the thread titled? Does it say it has to be about the UK? It doesn't even matter about the thread title. The context was fine and easily relatable. Then again, I'm not a member of the oatcake post-approval force, so maybe I shouldn't be giving my opinion.
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Post by knype on Apr 17, 2024 9:50:46 GMT
What is the thread titled? Does it say it has to be about the UK? It doesn't even matter about the thread title. The context was fine and easily relatable. Then again, I'm not a member of the oatcake post-approval force, so maybe I shouldn't be giving my opinion. I agree with you, seems like any difference of opinion you should just stay quiet now...
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 17, 2024 9:53:30 GMT
The only thing interesting is not one person said why they were there because non of them speak English. They could be on some sort of field trip for all we know arranged between their countries. Having people from America tell you what is happening isn't really proof of anything and just shows how easy it is to manipulate people if you wanted to. That guy was just accepting what those people say who themselves could be opportunists. He didn't provide any proof that what they were saying was true Really? Are you being serious? I don't just believe anything you know
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Post by wannabee on Apr 17, 2024 10:02:21 GMT
I'm wondering why this is relevant to "Uncontrolled Immigration" to the UK Has the topic expanded? Should we have concerns about the Mexico Border? Should we include the biggest Refugee Host Country Iran who are accepting Millions from Afghanistan after the failed US and UK sortie Or perhaps No 2 Turkey where millions have fled from Syria Or perhaps the No 3 Refugee host Germany with over 1 million from Ukraine, 700,000 from Syria, 240,000 from Afghanistan, and over 150,000 from Iraq. It would be useful to know the ground rules I'll ask you as the ultimate arbiter next time before I post I guess? Just to show that our very near neighbours suffer the same problems and concerns as people in this country, yet we're the only people painted as viewing the situation negatively. I'd have thought any reasonable poster would have recognised the relevance of the post and the example given is at least real world and not some of the usual dog whistle made for social media bullshit from some self-opinionated columnist spouting off. I'm particularly interested in the pyrite issue that the chap mentions, it's a problem we haven't necessarily encountered yet and is probably more acute than here just yet. My point is that it is difficult to know the background to a random video clip from a small town in the West of Ireland to understand the context. Is it staged, is there a major problem, who is posting the video and what are his bona fide and how is it relevant to the subject previously under discussion, can we learn anything from it. There are a lot of fake videos doing the rounds on all sorts of stuff particularly posted by non media outlets, are we to take everything on face value. I researched as best I could. The poster of the clip Niall O'Hara posts under the Hashtag #IrelandBelongsToTheIrish #IrelandisFull A legitimate position to take but if it were from BBC or RT I would understand their editorial position. I think now I understand Niall O'Hara's It appears that the actual location is a place called Ballina in the West of Ireland a Town of about 10,000 people. The proposal apparently was to house international asylum seeking family units of 120 people in 33 of the Hotels 68 rooms. I didn’t bother to investigate the Plummer featured in the clip claims as there is no way of knowing. It appears the protest was as much to do with the owner of the Hotel allowing Migrants in the Hotel as the Plummer and presumably Niall O'Hara and the other about 100 people gathered would prefer those rooms occupied by Tourists who may come to visit the area as apparently Joe Biden did recently I suppose now that the thread has been broadened out we can have a wider discussion on some of the reasons according to UN there are about 110 Million people displaced and about 40 Million seeking Refuge
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 10:10:14 GMT
Not wanting to drag this down any further than I already have, but would anyone that feels strongly about my interjection and the wild deviation from the subject matter, then please type 'Ireland' into the search box and see what posts have already been made.
I clearly don't understand the rules but I'd suggest that there's a degree of mild hipocracy at play as the same situation in Ireland has been discussed without censorship. As ever I await the expected correction and a condescending explanation as to why I'm wrong about that also.
In future I'll run all links I think may be worth posting through the Oatcake Posting Police by DM.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 10:18:05 GMT
Not wanting to drag this down any further than I already have, but would anyone that feels strongly about my interjection and the wild deviation from the subject matter, then please type 'Ireland' into the search box and see what posts have already been made. I'd suggest that there's a degree of mild hipocracy at play as but as ever I await the expected correction and a condescending explanation as to why I'm wrong about that also. In future I'll run all links I think may be worth posting through the Oatcake Posting Police by DM. There's no need to get all hissy about it. Nobody has accused you of being wrong about anything. There's nothing wrong with wannabee's explanation above is there?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 10:22:47 GMT
Not wanting to drag this down any further than I already have, but would anyone that feels strongly about my interjection and the wild deviation from the subject matter, then please type 'Ireland' into the search box and see what posts have already been made. I'd suggest that there's a degree of mild hipocracy at play as but as ever I await the expected correction and a condescending explanation as to why I'm wrong about that also. In future I'll run all links I think may be worth posting through the Oatcake Posting Police by DM. There's no need to get all hissy about it. Nobody has accused you of being wrong about anything. There's nothing wrong with wannabee's explanation above is there? So when and what are we allowed to post? I don't understand the rules of the game. His initial response was along the lines of why are you dragging Ireland into a thread about the UK, when there are countless posts about Ireland already contained within it. My original reason for posting the link was it's apparent relevance to the topic, with the same worries being voiced. It seemed an acceptable place to post the link to me 🤷
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Post by foster on Apr 17, 2024 10:22:59 GMT
Not wanting to drag this down any further than I already have, but would anyone that feels strongly about my interjection and the wild deviation from the subject matter, then please type 'Ireland' into the search box and see what posts have already been made. I clearly don't understand the rules but I'd suggest that there's a degree of mild hipocracy at play as the same situation in Ireland has been discussed without censorship. As ever I await the expected correction and a condescending explanation as to why I'm wrong about that also. In future I'll run all links I think may be worth posting through the Oatcake Posting Police by DM. It's the post-approval force mate, unless of course they've branched off into a wider organisation, along with the Tystapo and Relevance-auditing division.
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Post by knype on Apr 17, 2024 10:24:28 GMT
Really? Are you being serious? I don't just believe anything you know yeah ok!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 10:25:45 GMT
Not wanting to drag this down any further than I already have, but would anyone that feels strongly about my interjection and the wild deviation from the subject matter, then please type 'Ireland' into the search box and see what posts have already been made. I clearly don't understand the rules but I'd suggest that there's a degree of mild hipocracy at play as the same situation in Ireland has been discussed without censorship. As ever I await the expected correction and a condescending explanation as to why I'm wrong about that also. In future I'll run all links I think may be worth posting through the Oatcake Posting Police by DM. It's the post-approval force mate, unless of course they've branched off into a wider organisation, along with the Tystapo and Relevance-auditing division. I'm expecting a knock on the door shortly. Thank God we don't live in Scotland.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 10:31:07 GMT
There's no need to get all hissy about it. Nobody has accused you of being wrong about anything. There's nothing wrong with wannabee's explanation above is there? So when and what are we allowed to post? I don't understand the rules of the game. His initial response was along the lines of why are you dragging Ireland into a thread about the UK, when there are countless posts about Ireland already contained within it. My original reason for posting the link was it's apparent relevance to the topic, with the same worries being voiced. It seemed an acceptable place to post the link to me 🤷 He, like you are now, was asking for clarification of what we were discussing and in his follow up, he says fine, the subject matter has expanded. He didn't suggest that you couldn't post anything. I'll chuck a couple in now too ...
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Post by foster on Apr 17, 2024 10:37:15 GMT
So when and what are we allowed to post? I don't understand the rules of the game. His initial response was along the lines of why are you dragging Ireland into a thread about the UK, when there are countless posts about Ireland already contained within it. My original reason for posting the link was it's apparent relevance to the topic, with the same worries being voiced. It seemed an acceptable place to post the link to me 🤷 He, like you are now, was asking for clarification of what we were discussing and in his follow up, he says fine, the subject matter has expanded. He didn't suggest that you couldn't post anything. I'll chuck a couple in now too ... Great post. It illustrates well the direction we're heading in. We could do with more of these types working in the NHS, otherwise we're doomed and get no pension.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 10:41:33 GMT
He, like you are now, was asking for clarification of what we were discussing and in his follow up, he says fine, the subject matter has expanded. He didn't suggest that you couldn't post anything. I'll chuck a couple in now too ... Great post. It illustrates well the direction we're heading in. We could do with more of these types working in the NHS, otherwise we're doomed and get no pension. Thanks. There's loads more of those I could post, that's just from today.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 10:54:11 GMT
So when and what are we allowed to post? I don't understand the rules of the game. His initial response was along the lines of why are you dragging Ireland into a thread about the UK, when there are countless posts about Ireland already contained within it. My original reason for posting the link was it's apparent relevance to the topic, with the same worries being voiced. It seemed an acceptable place to post the link to me 🤷 He, like you are now, was asking for clarification of what we were discussing and in his follow up, he says fine, the subject matter has expanded. He didn't suggest that you couldn't post anything. I'll chuck a couple in now too ... If Ireland hadn't been involved in this thread I'd have accepted that, but it already has so I don't get the need for context and clarity. I don't see the same request made of any links that Huddy makes, they're accepted at face value as just something from somewhere else being shared, that may or may not be relevant to the discussion.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 11:01:22 GMT
He, like you are now, was asking for clarification of what we were discussing and in his follow up, he says fine, the subject matter has expanded. He didn't suggest that you couldn't post anything. I'll chuck a couple in now too ... If Ireland hadn't been involved in this thread I'd have accepted that, but it already has so I don't get the need for context and clarity. I don't see the same request made of any links that Huddy makes, they're accepted at face value as just something from somewhere else being shared, that may or may not be relevant to the discussion. To be fair, when I read your post, I thought exactly the same as wannabee, so I went back to the first page of the thread and it was clearly a discussion being had in the context of the UK. I didn't raise the point with you though because I wasn't that bothered but I do think the reaction to wannabee mentioning it, has been waaay over the top. So then, have we gone fully international with the topic then, or what?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 11:05:32 GMT
If Ireland hadn't been involved in this thread I'd have accepted that, but it already has so I don't get the need for context and clarity. I don't see the same request made of any links that Huddy makes, they're accepted at face value as just something from somewhere else being shared, that may or may not be relevant to the discussion. To be fair, when I read your post, I thought exactly the same as wannabee, so I went back to the first page of the thread and it was clearly a discussion being had in the context of the UK. I didn't raise the point with you though because I wasn't that bothered but I do think the reaction to wannabee mentioning it, has been waaay over the top. So then, have we gone fully international with the topic then, or what? Looking through past posts it had months ago. Surely it's an international question anyway? Like I asked please type Ireland into the search box and see how many times it's already been mentioned on the thread, the context and who by. I don't understand why my post was considered unrelated and not relevant but previous posts introducing Ireland into the thread previously were not and were not challenged in the same way?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 11:11:59 GMT
To be fair, when I read your post, I thought exactly the same as wannabee, so I went back to the first page of the thread and it was clearly a discussion being had in the context of the UK. I didn't raise the point with you though because I wasn't that bothered but I do think the reaction to wannabee mentioning it, has been waaay over the top. So then, have we gone fully international with the topic then, or what? Looking through past posts it had months ago. Surely it's an international question anyway? I haven't gone back and reread the thread but all I can say, is that my overriding impression, was that it has been primarily about small boat crossings, illegal immigration and increased legal immigration etc. into the UK. But of course, I could be wrong. I'm not really bothered either way, if I'm honest.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 17, 2024 11:35:49 GMT
To be fair, when I read your post, I thought exactly the same as wannabee, so I went back to the first page of the thread and it was clearly a discussion being had in the context of the UK. I didn't raise the point with you though because I wasn't that bothered but I do think the reaction to wannabee mentioning it, has been waaay over the top. So then, have we gone fully international with the topic then, or what? Looking through past posts it had months ago. Surely it's an international question anyway? Like I asked please type Ireland into the search box and see how many times it's already been mentioned on the thread, the context and who by. I don't understand why my post was considered unrelated and not relevant but previous posts introducing Ireland into the thread previously were not and were not challenged in the same way? Probably because i haven’t posted anything today
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Post by wannabee on Apr 17, 2024 11:40:21 GMT
Not wanting to drag this down any further than I already have, but would anyone that feels strongly about my interjection and the wild deviation from the subject matter, then please type 'Ireland' into the search box and see what posts have already been made. I clearly don't understand the rules but I'd suggest that there's a degree of mild hipocracy at play as the same situation in Ireland has been discussed without censorship. As ever I await the expected correction and a condescending explanation as to why I'm wrong about that also. In future I'll run all links I think may be worth posting through the Oatcake Posting Police by DM. I apologise Ian if you think my post was inappropriate You posted the link without commentary so I was unclear of the message being given I won't get many dissenters but maybe I'm a bit weird I like to understand the context of what I'm supposed to be looking at and who is saying it God knows we get enough Bullshit pushed at us which we know to be untrue simply because we know the Bona Fide of the speaker and their lips are moving Similarly if there were a thread on the merits of an obscure Goalkeeper and both you and Bayern posted contrarian comments it would be obvious to me which would be the definitive opinion
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 11:53:25 GMT
Not wanting to drag this down any further than I already have, but would anyone that feels strongly about my interjection and the wild deviation from the subject matter, then please type 'Ireland' into the search box and see what posts have already been made. I clearly don't understand the rules but I'd suggest that there's a degree of mild hipocracy at play as the same situation in Ireland has been discussed without censorship. As ever I await the expected correction and a condescending explanation as to why I'm wrong about that also. In future I'll run all links I think may be worth posting through the Oatcake Posting Police by DM. I apologise Ian if you think my post was inappropriate You posted the link without commentary so I was unclear of the message being given I won't get many dissenters but maybe I'm a bit weird I like to understand the context of what I'm supposed to be looking at and who is saying it God knows we get enough Bullshit pushed at us which we know to be untrue simply because we know the Bona Fide of the speaker and their lips are moving Similarly if there were a thread on the merits of an obscure Goalkeeper and both you and Bayern posted contrarian comments it would be obvious to me which would be the definitive opinion Clearly Bayern would be more correct in all instances, that's a given on absolutely any subject even if the contrarian comments come from yourself or Spencer. That's just the law. I don't see the need to explain context necessarily if what the post clearly relates to this thread title. It was somebody raising their issue with immigration and the impact on their community, that was it. I'm not in court, I'm not publishing an academic paper or acting as a journalist - I'm just sharing a video clip. So long as I know the rules I expect context to be requested where there is any ambiguity, equally across the board from now on then.
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Post by foster on Apr 17, 2024 12:03:32 GMT
To be fair, when I read your post, I thought exactly the same as wannabee, so I went back to the first page of the thread and it was clearly a discussion being had in the context of the UK. I didn't raise the point with you though because I wasn't that bothered but I do think the reaction to wannabee mentioning it, has been waaay over the top. So then, have we gone fully international with the topic then, or what? Looking through past posts it had months ago. Surely it's an international question anyway? Like I asked please type Ireland into the search box and see how many times it's already been mentioned on the thread, the context and who by. I don't understand why my post was considered unrelated and not relevant but previous posts introducing Ireland into the thread previously were not and were not challenged in the same way? It's a Western problem, but more closer to home a European problem. The issues faced in Europe can be expected in the UK. This includes the guy who was stabbed to death a few days ago in France by an immigrant for drinking alcohol. I won't post the video of it. So any analogies with our nearest neighbours is fair game and perfectly valid.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 17, 2024 13:00:50 GMT
[/quote]If Ireland hadn't been involved in this thread I'd have accepted that, but it already has so I don't get the need for context and clarity. I don't see the same request made of any links that Huddy makes, they're accepted at face value as just something from somewhere else being shared, that may or may not be relevant to the discussion. [/quote]
Not sure why you've dragged me into this mate? We all share twitter links amongst others (this thread is full of them and none from me) what makes you think mine are "accepted at face value"? Mine are often challenged as are others. Incidentally I don't have any issues with the stuff you post.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 13:33:40 GMT
If Ireland hadn't been involved in this thread I'd have accepted that, but it already has so I don't get the need for context and clarity. I don't see the same request made of any links that Huddy makes, they're accepted at face value as just something from somewhere else being shared, that may or may not be relevant to the discussion. [/quote] Not sure why you've dragged me into this mate? We all share twitter links amongst others (this thread is full of them and none from me) what makes you think mine are "accepted at face value"? Mine are often challenged as are others. Incidentally I don't have any issues with the stuff you post.[/quote] Just an example of another pipe (like myself) who enjoys stirring the pot with bullshit off Twitter. Part of my point being it's less likely to be questioned by your leftist stooges if you'd posted it than me.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 17, 2024 19:54:53 GMT
I worked in Denmark. Truly wonderful place. Probably the best place I've ever lived, if only for the short time I was there.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 21:07:31 GMT
I worked in Denmark. Truly wonderful place. Probably the best place I've ever lived, if only for the short time I was there. That maybe but it's an Islamist shithole now mate (apparently).
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 17, 2024 21:11:47 GMT
I worked in Denmark. Truly wonderful place. Probably the best place I've ever lived, if only for the short time I was there. Good to see you back on mate. Hope your well.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 17, 2024 21:24:55 GMT
I worked in Denmark. Truly wonderful place. Probably the best place I've ever lived, if only for the short time I was there. Good to see you back on mate. Hope your well. I'm good. Works keeping me extremely busy at the moment (not a bad thing)
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Post by metalhead on Apr 17, 2024 21:26:53 GMT
I worked in Denmark. Truly wonderful place. Probably the best place I've ever lived, if only for the short time I was there. That maybe but it's an Islamist shithole now mate (apparently). I didn't see the connection when watching the video but perhaps someone can break it down for me.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 22:02:10 GMT
That maybe but it's an Islamist shithole now mate (apparently). I didn't see the connection when watching the video but perhaps someone can break it down for me.
I can't help you with that one I'm afraid mate, it'll be Foster, BJR, Badge or knype who can hopefully explain.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 17, 2024 22:04:19 GMT
I didn't see the connection when watching the video but perhaps someone can break it down for me.
I can't help you with that one I'm afraid mate, it'll be Foster, BJR, Badge or knype who can hopefully explain.
You don’t need to name drop the four most popular posters on the board thank you.
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