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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 27, 2024 12:57:07 GMT
Isn't that really just a lesser form of slavery though? We bring in less worthy people to do shit work that we can't be bothered to do? Everyone should be willing to work in whatever capacity is available imo. If the terms aren't good enough then the government should do something about it. My reply will possibly be incomplete as I haven't found a suitable one on Google Reading your various posts you have identified a number of the issues which are varied and complex There are 6M people receiving UC of which 40% or about 2.5M are in work but not earning a living wage
The Minimum wage is £11.44 per hour or annualized about £23K it is considerably lower if under 23 changing to 21 from April. Freezing of Tax Bands since April 2021 have brought more and more low paid workers into Tax paying, narrowing the gap between working and not working
After Students the largest cohort of Immigrants granted Visas were for Social Care a traditionally low paid occupation. In the 2021 Census 5M people stated they were unpaid Carers. Estimates believe there are at least twice that number.
The cost of Residential or Nursing Care in UK is about £60/70K per year forcing many mostly females to adopt the role of unpaid Carers with the knock-on effect on their employment opportunities as the cost of Residential/Nursing Care is prohibitive
There are about 1M people paid (poorly) in Residential/Nursing Care. There simply isn't enough people left in the pool to increase the number of British Citizens to work in the Care Sector beyond those already doing so unpaid. The shortfall is bridged by Immigrants.
The situation will become worse as the population ages and also Immigrants will become less inclined as the rules on bringing dependents have just changed
66% of Visas issued in 2023 were to Students or for Social Care.
Fund Universities to a level that doesn't require Foreign Students to function, better yet review if the University Courses provided match the requirements of the Economy. In fact step back and review the Schools Curriculum that feeds Universities AND Vocational Colleges
Treat Social Care with the respect it deserves as a Profession and remunerate accordingly. Fund State Residential/Nursing Homes to be free to access on a means tested basis.
This would inevitably lead to higher taxes but it's a Political Choice to operate the system we currently have.
I'd get off my arse and vote for that.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 27, 2024 13:11:08 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Mar 27, 2024 14:21:01 GMT
Well that is a surprise 😡
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Post by wannabee on Mar 27, 2024 14:26:08 GMT
You already know you have answered your own question It's currently a £15.9 Billion and growing Industry In UK 84% of Residential/Nursing Beds are provided by for profit Private companies 13% by Voluntary Organisations and just 3% by Local Authorities I was surprised that only just over 400,000 people live in Residential/Nursing Care a little over 3% of the 11 Million people aged over 66. In many ways this is good as as many as possible should be able to live in their homes and community but I wonder if the real reason is affordability which leads to so many million unpaid Carers. www.gov.uk/government/publications/care-homes-market-study-summary-of-final-report/care-homes-market-study-summary-of-final-report#:~:text=Overview%20of%20the%20sector,-This%20is%20a&text=The%20care%20homes%20sector%20is,UK%2C%20with%20around%20410%2C000%20residents.&text=We%20calculate%20that%20there%20are,care%20homes%20for%20the%20elderly.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 27, 2024 14:29:25 GMT
You already know you have answered your own question It's currently a £15.9 Billion and growing Industry In UK 84% of Residential/Nursing Beds are provided by for profit Private companies 13% by Voluntary Organisations and just 3% by Local Authorities I was surprised that only just over 400,000 people live in Residential/Nursing Care a little over 3% of the 11 Million people aged over 66. In many ways this is good as as many as possible should be able to live in their homes and community but I wonder if the real reason is affordability which leads to so many million unpaid Carers. www.gov.uk/government/publications/care-homes-market-study-summary-of-final-report/care-homes-market-study-summary-of-final-report#:~:text=Overview%20of%20the%20sector,-This%20is%20a&text=The%20care%20homes%20sector%20is,UK%2C%20with%20around%20410%2C000%20residents.&text=We%20calculate%20that%20there%20are,care%20homes%20for%20the%20elderly. The real reason most certainly is affordability
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 10, 2024 5:50:52 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68774242Hopefully they get the book thrown at them. This is the sort of story that makes it all the more difficult for those that come to the U.K. and work extremely hard like those in the NHS.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 10, 2024 5:52:54 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68774242Hopefully they get the book thrown at them. This is the sort of story that makes it all the more difficult for those that come to the U.K. and work extremely hard like those in the NHS. Come on Cobs they’re just trying to put food on the table
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 10, 2024 5:55:22 GMT
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 10, 2024 6:28:58 GMT
I know it's GB News but this report from France shows just what sort of scientists, doctors and lawyers are coming over on the little boats and then being allowed to stay, and we've no idea who they are..
And unsurprisingly none of it reported on MSM !
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Post by foster on Apr 10, 2024 7:25:24 GMT
I would have thought he'd be regarded as a bit of a legend in Afghanistan.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 10, 2024 8:12:07 GMT
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Post by musik on Apr 10, 2024 8:25:02 GMT
--- coming over on the little boats and then being allowed to stay, and we've no idea who they are.. That has been the reason Sweden is in trouble now. No idea who they were. They lost their all their papers (passport) all of a sudden. Some left wing politicians here said during our worst time "when you're trying to escape to another country, the last thing you think about would be the passport". Really? I would say the first thing.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 10, 2024 11:37:29 GMT
I think the issues are around getting the balance right.
Not all immigration is bad (the NHS being a great example) but people need to be called out for exploiting the system when it does happen before those raising there concerns are accused of being far right nazis.
It’s like most things in life you have to look at the individual.
One things for sure sensible adult conversations should be had before people start getting bracketed and pigeon holed as this that or the other just because they have a different view.
Ultimately it’s a mess because it’s not been managed well by the government.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 10, 2024 12:20:59 GMT
"Ultimately it’s a mess because it’s not been managed well by the government."
I agree, I do wonder whether it's down to incompetence, the need to stigmatise certain groups of people, corruption or a combination of the three 🤔
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Apr 10, 2024 12:29:29 GMT
I know it's GB News but this report from France shows just what sort of scientists, doctors and lawyers are coming over on the little boats and then being allowed to stay, and we've no idea who they are.. And unsurprisingly none of it reported on MSM ! So the police are there to stop the migrants that have not paid 1000's to get on the boats clashing with the people smugglers... Err am I missing something. Why are the police there not stopping the illegal boats in the first place.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 10, 2024 12:32:18 GMT
I know it's GB News but this report from France shows just what sort of scientists, doctors and lawyers are coming over on the little boats and then being allowed to stay, and we've no idea who they are.. And unsurprisingly none of it reported on MSM ! So the police are there to stop the migrants that have not paid 1000's to get on the boats clashing with the people smugglers... Err am I missing something. Why are the police there not stopping the illegal boats in the first place. The majority of it’s down to lack of government funding whether it’s policing cuts or other key agencies.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Apr 10, 2024 12:34:02 GMT
So the police are there to stop the migrants that have not paid 1000's to get on the boats clashing with the people smugglers... Err am I missing something. Why are the police there not stopping the illegal boats in the first place. The majority of it’s down to lack of government funding whether it’s policing cuts or other key agencies. Imagine how much we would save if we found a way to stop the boats setting off in the 1st place. Simple, gather intelligence as to who are launching the boats, and destroy them before they set sail...
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Post by gawa on Apr 10, 2024 12:38:18 GMT
I don't have any issue with the uk tightening visa rules. That's the reason we have record immigration because visa rules were relaxed after brexit.
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Post by desman2 on Apr 10, 2024 12:39:24 GMT
I know it's GB News but this report from France shows just what sort of scientists, doctors and lawyers are coming over on the little boats and then being allowed to stay, and we've no idea who they are.. And unsurprisingly none of it reported on MSM ! So the police are there to stop the migrants that have not paid 1000's to get on the boats clashing with the people smugglers... Err am I missing something. Why are the police there not stopping the illegal boats in the first place. There was a further interview on this with one of the officials in Dunkirk who says that we should force these boats to go back to interfere with the traffickers. Another point. if you are a driver who has stowaways then you get a severe punishment, even if you have no knowledge of it yet the government, home office, border force RNLI, hotel owners, charities and lawyers basically become accessories to law breaking by definition and thats ok. Heres the other video
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 10, 2024 13:57:04 GMT
Good luck maintaining pensions without immigrants coming in to boost the economy. If the govt made daycare free, they could get rid of immigrants altogether because people could afford to have more kids without working simply to pay for someone else to raise their child.
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Post by desman2 on Apr 10, 2024 14:03:07 GMT
Good luck maintaining pensions without immigrants coming in to boost the economy. If the govt made daycare free, they could get rid of immigrants altogether because people could afford to have more kids without working simply to pay for someone else to raise their child. Or maybe just get those that don't want to work actually working.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 10, 2024 14:22:38 GMT
Good luck maintaining pensions without immigrants coming in to boost the economy. If the govt made daycare free, they could get rid of immigrants altogether because people could afford to have more kids without working simply to pay for someone else to raise their child. Or maybe just get those that don't want to work actually working. Which also requires extensive public investment so that cases can be better tracked and those found to abuse the system can be dealt with quicker. That investment will also probably lead to more taxes.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 10, 2024 14:40:38 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 10, 2024 15:12:51 GMT
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Post by knype on Apr 10, 2024 15:40:07 GMT
So the police are there to stop the migrants that have not paid 1000's to get on the boats clashing with the people smugglers... Err am I missing something. Why are the police there not stopping the illegal boats in the first place. There was a further interview on this with one of the officials in Dunkirk who says that we should force these boats to go back to interfere with the traffickers. Another point. if you are a driver who has stowaways then you get a severe punishment, even if you have no knowledge of it yet the government, home office, border force RNLI, hotel owners, charities and lawyers basically become accessories to law breaking by definition and thats ok. Heres the other video Obviously that French Mayor is a right wing, Tory supporting thug...
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Apr 10, 2024 15:49:28 GMT
Thats all well and good, but the ones that are turned away will then jump on a dinghy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 10, 2024 15:53:53 GMT
Thats all well and good, but the ones that are turned away will then jump on a dinghy. And as it says, if that happens, they will then be returned immediately.
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Post by conzdad on Apr 10, 2024 15:55:59 GMT
Good luck maintaining pensions without immigrants coming in to boost the economy. If the govt made daycare free, they could get rid of immigrants altogether because people could afford to have more kids without working simply to pay for someone else to raise their child. Or maybe just get those that don't want to work actually working. Or drop the benefits to less than the working wage.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 10, 2024 18:06:40 GMT
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Post by knype on Apr 10, 2024 18:08:58 GMT
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