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Post by Eggybread on Jan 31, 2024 14:16:23 GMT
It was always gong to increase for a few years after Brexit.The Europeans left and to fill the gaps we are importing Africans and Asians. Cant help but laugh but hey ho.
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Post by phileetin on Jan 31, 2024 15:08:01 GMT
i don't suppose any of these poor souls will be fit enough to sign up to the war effort when conscription arrives?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 31, 2024 15:28:28 GMT
i don't suppose any of these poor souls will be fit enough to sign up to the war effort when conscription arrives? I imagine that many would, if it ever came to it. Western armies often display statistical enrichments for foreign born nationals. 8% of the U.S. Navy is foreign born. You have to be a citizen to join in the UK. So, I suppose it depends if the govt want to go down that route or not.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 31, 2024 15:31:56 GMT
i don't suppose any of these poor souls will be fit enough to sign up to the war effort when conscription arrives? They do all the other shit jobs the locals don't fancy so I don't really see why not.
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Post by Northy on Jan 31, 2024 16:17:40 GMT
If they increase the retirement age by a few years, they could cut immigration and maintain public spend in things like the NHS and policing. Oy, you can cut that out right away, death by hanging for stating that
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 31, 2024 16:36:12 GMT
It was always gong to increase for a few years after Brexit.The Europeans left and to fill the gaps we are importing Africans and Asians. Cant help but laugh but hey ho. Iirc European immigrants tended to pay more tax and take smaller benefits than native born Brits or non-EU migrants. If you remove a chunk of the biggest givers to the tax man then you need some combo of; more immigrants, higher pension age, higher taxes, or cuts to services like the NHS.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 4, 2024 7:47:36 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 29, 2024 17:09:46 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 29, 2024 17:13:11 GMT
We'll never get control of our borders for as long as mass immigration super fans like phileetin keep advocating for and voting for conservatives. Why are you so pro immigration Phil? How many more immigrants will it take for you to stand up and say enough is enough? This is your conservative party who you passionately and vocally defend week after week. Are you a mass immigration super fan or why exactly do you keep defending the mass immigrators?
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Post by mrnovember on Feb 29, 2024 19:51:20 GMT
We'll never get control of our borders for as long as mass immigration super fans like phileetin keep advocating for and voting for conservatives. Why are you so pro immigration Phil? How many more immigrants will it take for you to stand up and say enough is enough? This is your conservative party who you passionately and vocally defend week after week. Are you a mass immigration super fan or why exactly do you keep defending the mass immigrators? Feels like it could have been a DM
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Post by gawa on Feb 29, 2024 19:55:00 GMT
We'll never get control of our borders for as long as mass immigration super fans like phileetin keep advocating for and voting for conservatives. Why are you so pro immigration Phil? How many more immigrants will it take for you to stand up and say enough is enough? This is your conservative party who you passionately and vocally defend week after week. Are you a mass immigration super fan or why exactly do you keep defending the mass immigrators? Feels like it could have been a DM Weathers picking up. Rather put my laundry out on the washing line and save on the gas.
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Post by mrnovember on Feb 29, 2024 19:58:19 GMT
Feels like it could have been a DM Weathers picking up. Rather put my laundry out on the washing line and save on the gas. Gives me Rooney to Rio vibes.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 29, 2024 21:05:14 GMT
As of today:
45,768 asylum seekers live in hotels 2% of small boat arrivals since 2018 have been deported Thereâs been a 44 percent drop in removals of failed asylum seekers, a 27 percent drop in removals of foreign national offenders and a 22 percent drop in total immigration removals since 2010 Almost 20000 asylum seekers have disappeared Almost 4000 claims remain in the legacy backlog the government supposedly cleared at the end of 2023 A further 15 Rwandans have been granted asylum in Britain because Rwanda is unsafe for them.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 25, 2024 10:32:03 GMT
And there we have it - the reason immigration is so high is a direct result of government policy BBC News - Say one thing, do another? The governmentâs record rise in net migration www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68626430By far the biggest reason that immigration is so high is the government issuing visas for overseas students and care workers as a matter of government policy - without overseas students either the university's would go bankrupt or they would have to increase course fees for UK students (which would also shrink the sector) and without overseas care workers the care companies would have to increase wages and drive down profits. The whole Rwanda scheme is just a sleight if hand to deflect attention from the real cause of high net migration. It's a direct result of government policy. In the grand scheme of things illegal immigration is the tip of the iceberg. Of course when Labour form a government the problem doesn't go away. I just hope they will be more honest about the issues and have an open dialogue with the public. Reduce planned immigration and the university sector will be decimated and the cost of university will be astronomical for the fewer students who will have access to the reduced number of courses and social care costs will go through the roof and there will be fewer places available because the profit margins won't attract investors. Either that or taxes have to go up to make up the shortfall. And guess what? High immigration has not been solved by Brexit. Who'd have thought?
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 25, 2024 11:08:21 GMT
And there we have it - the reason immigration is so high is a direct result of government policy BBC News - Say one thing, do another? The governmentâs record rise in net migration www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68626430By far the biggest reason that immigration is so high is the government issuing visas for overseas students and care workers as a matter of government policy - without overseas students either the university's would go bankrupt or they would have to increase course fees for UK students (which would also shrink the sector) and without overseas care workers the care companies would have to increase wages and drive down profits. The whole Rwanda scheme is just a sleight if hand to deflect attention from the real cause of high net migration. It's a direct result of government policy. In the grand scheme of things illegal immigration is the tip of the iceberg. Of course when Labour form a government the problem doesn't go away. I just hope they will be more honest about the issues and have an open dialogue with the public. Reduce planned immigration and the university sector will be decimated and the cost of university will be astronomical for the fewer students who will have access to the reduced number of courses and social care costs will go through the roof and there will be fewer places available because the profit margins won't attract investors. Either that or taxes have to go up to make up the shortfall. And guess what? High immigration has not been solved by Brexit. Who'd have thought? I wish that they would be honest but I doubt that they ever will. It would feel so refreshing for them to just sit down and say something along the lines of âthese are the reasons that we have decided to pursue this policy (list them). We recognize no policy is perfect (list some issues); however, we feel that this policy best reflects the will of our electorate based on these pros and consâ.
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 25, 2024 11:14:38 GMT
Its a peroid in time where humans are mass migrating for numerous reasons no government rules, laws or obstructions are going to stop it.It can be managed up to a point but it will never be stopped.And I personally cannot see an end to it in my lifetime.It doesnt bother me either,we should try and make what good can be done, and how we can use it to our advantage,but all I see is anger,confusion and a complete lack of actual undertsanding all over the world .The rich and prosperous countries who have benefited from war,industrial revolution and natural resources are now the chosen areas for migrants,which was always going to be the case when people have the ability to travel more easily.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 25, 2024 11:17:37 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 25, 2024 11:21:46 GMT
Is that real? I dont think people actually understand that foreign aid actually helps to stop people migrating.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 25, 2024 11:26:05 GMT
Its a peroid in time where humans are mass migrating for numerous reasons and no government rules, laws or obstructions are going to stop it.It can be managed up to a point but never be stopped.And I personally cannot see an end to it in my lifetime.It doesnt bother me either,we should try and make what good can be done, and how we can use it to our advantage,but all I see is anger,confusion and a complete lack of actual undertsanding all over the world .The rich and prosperous countries who have benefited from war,industrial revolution and natural resources are now the chosen areas for migrants,which was always going to be the case when people have the ability to travel more easily. I think you are right - unless global warming is addressed as a matter of urgency rising sea levels and drought is going to cause mass migration on an unprecedented scale. Large areas of the globe are going to become uninhabitable - just sending people back really isn't an option and would amount to condemning millions of people to death. However we aren't there yet our current high levels of immigration has nothing to do with illegal immigration which in turn at the moment does not have much to do with global warming.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 25, 2024 12:10:42 GMT
Is that real? I dont think people actually understand that foreign aid actually helps to stop people migrating. No mate spoof account......
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Post by wannabee on Mar 25, 2024 15:00:21 GMT
In some Professions like nursing Work Visa Immigration is more of a conveyor belt which becomes an unending cycle by necessity About 10,000 Foreign Trained nurses working in NHS leave to work in other overseas countries each year. A typical pattern is Nurses from India and Philippines work in NHS for 3 years obtain CCPS accreditation and leave to work in US, Australia and New Zealand at considerably higher salaries This translates to NHS if not 3rd World certainly not 1st World With Nurses vacancies currently standing at 40,000 this constant churn as well as from UK Trained Nurses making similar choice and Retirees the knowledge pool is continuously being reduced Last year a record number 50K Nurses entered NHS more than 50% from outside EU. Also more than 26K left the NHS. There are approximately 30K who enter Nurse Traing each year with an average attrition of about 12%. This is just baking in failure Examining Nursing at a Micro level it shows Government Planning at variance with stated Policy in other areas and the Macro level Cville talked about above. On one level it could be classed as incompetence more accurately it should be considered dishonesty www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/25/thousands-of-foreign-nurses-a-year-leave-uk-to-work-abroad
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Post by redstriper on Mar 25, 2024 16:52:17 GMT
The new BBC report highlights the sleight of hand of deliberately focussing on migrants coming on boats, this has been going on for years. The boat people are not the issue here as some of us having been saying for years. Looking at the NHS figures, 143k new NHS workers brought 203k dependents. When they leave to go after higher salaries abroad I bet their "dependents" are still allowed to stay here, the figures suggest this is so.
The problem is, we need workers because we continually allow millions already here to enjoy a benefits lifestyle where they don't need to work and don't see any point in doing so, because the government continually raises taxes, further eroding the gap between workers and shirkers.
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Post by desman2 on Mar 25, 2024 17:15:59 GMT
In some Professions like nursing Work Visa Immigration is more of a conveyor belt which becomes an unending cycle by necessity About 10,000 Foreign Trained nurses working in NHS leave to work in other overseas countries each year. A typical pattern is Nurses from India and Philippines work in NHS for 3 years obtain CCPS accreditation and leave to work in US, Australia and New Zealand at considerably higher salaries This translates to NHS if not 3rd World certainly not 1st World With Nurses vacancies currently standing at 40,000 this constant churn as well as from UK Trained Nurses making similar choice and Retirees the knowledge pool is continuously being reduced Last year a record number 50K Nurses entered NHS more than 50% from outside EU. Also more than 26K left the NHS. There are approximately 30K who enter Nurse Traing each year with an average attrition of about 12%. This is just baking in failure Examining Nursing at a Micro level it shows Government Planning at variance with stated Policy in other areas and the Macro level Cville talked about above. On one level it could be classed as incompetence more accurately it should be considered dishonesty www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/25/thousands-of-foreign-nurses-a-year-leave-uk-to-work-abroadLike I mentioned on a previous thread, they should return to the nurse and midwife schools on all hospitals. You never heard of nursing shortages when they operated but the thick twats in Parliament knew better. Same for the technical colleges which met a similar end.
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Post by phileetin on Mar 25, 2024 17:39:07 GMT
wasn't there a report recently where it transpired that a significant number of health professionals in the uk were awarded positions because ethnic minority health professionals had gone overseas and sat the exams of someone applying for positions in the uk .
perhaps some of the attrition is due to some of those wrongly awarded positions being found out as not being qualified .
i must admit i've been on the recieving end of some pretty shit treatment and have wondered if the professional concerned knew what they were doing .
just another point ,while on the subject of training , in the past i've had the view that if a trainee doesn't have experience they will never learn and i have always consented to have procedures performed by a trainee .
Having had a number of "mishaps " including waking in a pool of blood because dialysis tubes had been placed too close to arteries i think that folks ought to be wary about giving consent.
some professional can't even take a blood sample efficiently .
perhaps the bursary system should be reintroduced and training periods be extended.
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Post by gawa on Mar 25, 2024 17:49:43 GMT
And there we have it - the reason immigration is so high is a direct result of government policy BBC News - Say one thing, do another? The governmentâs record rise in net migration www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68626430By far the biggest reason that immigration is so high is the government issuing visas for overseas students and care workers as a matter of government policy - without overseas students either the university's would go bankrupt or they would have to increase course fees for UK students (which would also shrink the sector) and without overseas care workers the care companies would have to increase wages and drive down profits. The whole Rwanda scheme is just a sleight if hand to deflect attention from the real cause of high net migration. It's a direct result of government policy. In the grand scheme of things illegal immigration is the tip of the iceberg. Of course when Labour form a government the problem doesn't go away. I just hope they will be more honest about the issues and have an open dialogue with the public. Reduce planned immigration and the university sector will be decimated and the cost of university will be astronomical for the fewer students who will have access to the reduced number of courses and social care costs will go through the roof and there will be fewer places available because the profit margins won't attract investors. Either that or taxes have to go up to make up the shortfall. And guess what? High immigration has not been solved by Brexit. Who'd have thought? What has happened to the bbc đ˛. Sunak lost support of the director appointed by the tories? They've literally spent the last 10 years banging on about immigration and the governments plans to reduce it. First honest article on immigration by the bbc in a very long time. Something had to cause this. Whys it taken this long.
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Post by gawa on Mar 25, 2024 17:54:27 GMT
wasn't there a report recently where it transpired that a significant number of health professionals in the uk were awarded positions because ethnic minority health professionals had gone overseas and sat the exams of someone applying for positions in the uk . perhaps some of the attrition is due to some of those wrongly awarded positions being found out as not being qualified . i must admit i've been on the recieving end of some pretty shit treatment and have wondered if the professional concerned knew what they were doing . just another point ,while on the subject of training , in the past i've had the view that if a trainee doesn't have experience they will never learn and i have always consented to have procedures performed by a trainee . Having had a number of "mishaps " including waking in a pool of blood because dialysis tubes had been placed too close to arteries i think that folks ought to be wary about giving consent. some professional can't even take a blood sample efficiently . perhaps the bursary system should be reintroduced and training periods be extended. I think I read something about some exams in Nigeria maybe being done by "actors" on behalf of hopeful migrants. So they were basically getting people to pass the exams for them to show they're qualified.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 25, 2024 18:45:35 GMT
The new BBC report highlights the sleight of hand of deliberately focussing on migrants coming on boats, this has been going on for years. The boat people are not the issue here as some of us having been saying for years. Looking at the NHS figures, 143k new NHS workers brought 203k dependents. When they leave to go after higher salaries abroad I bet their "dependents" are still allowed to stay here, the figures suggest this is so.
The problem is, we need workers because we continually allow millions already here to enjoy a benefits lifestyle where they don't need to work and don't see any point in doing so, because the government continually raises taxes, further eroding the gap between workers and shirkers. I practice or legally I don't see how this could happen Firstly if a Skilled Visa Worker has brought Dependents Wife/Children to UK and they leave to get a higher paid job e.g. for Nurses up to double the salary why on earth would they leave Wife/Children behind in UK Secondly if a Skilled Wirker resigns their position the Employer is obliged to inform Home Office
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 25, 2024 18:53:15 GMT
The new BBC report highlights the sleight of hand of deliberately focussing on migrants coming on boats, this has been going on for years. The boat people are not the issue here as some of us having been saying for years. Looking at the NHS figures, 143k new NHS workers brought 203k dependents. When they leave to go after higher salaries abroad I bet their "dependents" are still allowed to stay here, the figures suggest this is so.
The problem is, we need workers because we continually allow millions already here to enjoy a benefits lifestyle where they don't need to work and don't see any point in doing so, because the government continually raises taxes, further eroding the gap between workers and shirkers. I practice or legally I don't see how this could happen Firstly if a Skilled Visa Worker has brought Dependents Wife/Children to UK and they leave to get a higher paid job e.g. for Nurses up to double the salary why on earth would they leave Wife/Children behind in UK Secondly if a Skilled Wirker resigns their position the Employer is obliged to inform Home Office What is your solution to the problems of Uncontrolled immigration And The problems facing the NHS
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 25, 2024 20:21:57 GMT
I practice or legally I don't see how this could happen Firstly if a Skilled Visa Worker has brought Dependents Wife/Children to UK and they leave to get a higher paid job e.g. for Nurses up to double the salary why on earth would they leave Wife/Children behind in UK Secondly if a Skilled Wirker resigns their position the Employer is obliged to inform Home Office What is your solution to the problems of Uncontrolled immigration And The problems facing the NHS
Which problems are you specifically referring to BJR?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 25, 2024 20:25:30 GMT
The new BBC report highlights the sleight of hand of deliberately focussing on migrants coming on boats, this has been going on for years. The boat people are not the issue here as some of us having been saying for years. Looking at the NHS figures, 143k new NHS workers brought 203k dependents. When they leave to go after higher salaries abroad I bet their "dependents" are still allowed to stay here, the figures suggest this is so. The problem is, we need workers because we continually allow millions already here to enjoy a benefits lifestyle where they don't need to work and don't see any point in doing so, because the government continually raises taxes, further eroding the gap between workers and shirkers. Bastards coming over here, trying to give us healthcare. Fucks sake.
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