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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 21:13:33 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 21:23:58 GMT
Just been confirmed the attacker who is a Foreign National (Country not released) who has lived in Ireland for 20 years and is an Irish Citizen A sleeper obviously Ah, that makes it better then. I'm sure Ireland will sleep easy tonight 🙄 Why would you even imply I think this attack is OK or can be mitigated in anyway What exactly are you trying to say Knype? From the get go my focus has been accurate reporting The attacker is a complete moron who has lived in Ireland for 20 years I'm quite certain questions will be asked if anything could have been done to prevent the attack or if "he was known to the Police" This is very important in UK many more attacks are prevented than are ever reported It's very important to gather intelligence to prevent any future attacks If when the Police are able to interview this arsehole it is vital to determine his motives no matter how deranged to eliminate any future threats Equally Moronic are the Rioters who have seized this opportunity to pursue their own agenda Others have joined in to pursue a new pair of Sneakers or are you approving the attacks on the Police and Emergency Workers |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 21:27:23 GMT
There’s a bloke going around stabbing kids and Wannabee focuses on people letting fireworks off There are far more violent acts than setting off fireworks I remember recently people were very agitated and exorcised by some people setting off Fireworks in Trafalgar Square, I don't know if you were one of them |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 21:33:10 GMT
Army deployed to the streets of Dublin now.  This is another example of how dangerous Twitter is This is Bullshit, the Army HAVE NOT been deployed on the Streets of Dublin tonight This footage is from years ago where the Army were carrying out routine maneuvers |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 21:34:09 GMT
At least I've increased my post count tonight
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 23, 2023 21:51:53 GMT
Ah, that makes it better then. I'm sure Ireland will sleep easy tonight 🙄 Why would you even imply I think this attack is OK or can be mitigated in anyway What exactly are you trying to say Knype? From the get go my focus has been accurate reporting The attacker is a complete moron who has lived in Ireland for 20 years I'm quite certain questions will be asked if anything could have been done to prevent the attack or if "he was known to the Police" This is very important in UK many more attacks are prevented than are ever reported It's very important to gather intelligence to prevent any future attacks If when the Police are able to interview this arsehole it is vital to determine his motives no matter how deranged to eliminate any future threats Equally Moronic are the Rioters who have seized this opportunity to pursue their own agenda Others have joined in to pursue a new pair of Sneakers or are you approving the attacks on the Police and Emergency Workers This horrific incident might be a one off, amongst many other one offs. It is one the child's family could have done without For me when people say " He/ she " has been in the uk for 20 years, or they are second or third generation, I think that adds to the problem. Thee are many immigrants who are second, third generation, but have either integrated or found their identity as one of the multi cultures, living peacefully and tolerantly, alongside other cultures BUT unfortunately there does seem to be a number oof our people who don't sit comfortably within the wider culture.IMO.( which isn't to label all recent immigrants as a threat) |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 21:56:59 GMT
Ah, that makes it better then. I'm sure Ireland will sleep easy tonight 🙄 Why would you even imply I think this attack is OK or can be mitigated in anyway What exactly are you trying to say Knype? From the get go my focus has been accurate reporting The attacker is a complete moron who has lived in Ireland for 20 years I'm quite certain questions will be asked if anything could have been done to prevent the attack or if "he was known to the Police" This is very important in UK many more attacks are prevented than are ever reported It's very important to gather intelligence to prevent any future attacks If when the Police are able to interview this arsehole it is vital to determine his motives no matter how deranged to eliminate any future threats Equally Moronic are the Rioters who have seized this opportunity to pursue their own agenda Others have joined in to pursue a new pair of Sneakers or are you approving the attacks on the Police and Emergency Workers |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 22:24:58 GMT
Why would you even imply I think this attack is OK or can be mitigated in anyway What exactly are you trying to say Knype? From the get go my focus has been accurate reporting The attacker is a complete moron who has lived in Ireland for 20 years I'm quite certain questions will be asked if anything could have been done to prevent the attack or if "he was known to the Police" This is very important in UK many more attacks are prevented than are ever reported It's very important to gather intelligence to prevent any future attacks If when the Police are able to interview this arsehole it is vital to determine his motives no matter how deranged to eliminate any future threats Equally Moronic are the Rioters who have seized this opportunity to pursue their own agenda Others have joined in to pursue a new pair of Sneakers or are you approving the attacks on the Police and Emergency Workers This horrific incident might be a one off, amongst many other one offs. It is one the child's family could have done without For me when people say " He/ she " has been in the uk for 20 years, or they are second or third generation, I think that adds to the problem. Thee are many immigrants who are second, third generation, but have either integrated or found their identity as one of the multi cultures, living peacefully and tolerantly, alongside other cultures BUT unfortunately there does seem to be a number oof our people who don't sit comfortably within the wider culture.IMO.( which isn't to label all recent immigrants as a threat) With respect BigJohn I'm not entirely sure what your point is or more importantly what is your solution In Dublin there are two things happening simultaneously A horrific knife attack was perpetrated by an Irish Citizen who had been living in Ireland for 20 years albeit born in some other unknown Country Are you saying that Ireland or indeed UK should not accept any immigrants or further that current immigrants or those of 2nd or 3rd Generation which includes many Irish incidentally should be expelled from UK? At the same time a relatively small number of people on the Streets of Dublin rioted because they object to any immigrants and a larger group of people rioted, looted, attached the Police and Emergency Services for their particular reasons The first is a horrendous criminal act which I believe it is important to understand the motivation, I accept many on this thread believe it's unimportant The second (a) are fundamentally opposed to any form of immigration we can assign any form of labels but it's irrelevant as that is their thinking and in a Free Country they are quite entitled to hold that view The second (b) are merely anarchic thugs who seize an opportunity to cause mayhem and chaos and maybe they can grasp a free hoodie or a pair of sneakers for their night of "fun" |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 22:40:17 GMT
Why would you even imply I think this attack is OK or can be mitigated in anyway What exactly are you trying to say Knype? From the get go my focus has been accurate reporting The attacker is a complete moron who has lived in Ireland for 20 years I'm quite certain questions will be asked if anything could have been done to prevent the attack or if "he was known to the Police" This is very important in UK many more attacks are prevented than are ever reported It's very important to gather intelligence to prevent any future attacks If when the Police are able to interview this arsehole it is vital to determine his motives no matter how deranged to eliminate any future threats Equally Moronic are the Rioters who have seized this opportunity to pursue their own agenda Others have joined in to pursue a new pair of Sneakers or are you approving the attacks on the Police and Emergency Workers Absolutely and unlike Bob Holness there are four Ps Pursue Protect Prepare and Prevent |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 23, 2023 22:59:18 GMT
This horrific incident might be a one off, amongst many other one offs. It is one the child's family could have done without For me when people say " He/ she " has been in the uk for 20 years, or they are second or third generation, I think that adds to the problem. Thee are many immigrants who are second, third generation, but have either integrated or found their identity as one of the multi cultures, living peacefully and tolerantly, alongside other cultures BUT unfortunately there does seem to be a number oof our people who don't sit comfortably within the wider culture.IMO.( which isn't to label all recent immigrants as a threat) With respect BigJohn I'm not entirely sure what your point is or more importantly what is your solution In Dublin there are two things happening simultaneously A horrific knife attack was perpetrated by an Irish Citizen who had been living in Ireland for 20 years albeit born in some other unknown Country Are you saying that Ireland or indeed UK should not accept any immigrants or further that current immigrants or those of 2nd or 3rd Generation which includes many Irish incidentally should be expelled from UK? At the same time a relatively small number of people on the Streets of Dublin rioted because they object to any immigrants and a larger group of people rioted, looted, attached the Police and Emergency Services for their particular reasons The first is a horrendous criminal act which I believe it is important to understand the motivation, I accept many on this thread believe it's unimportant The second (a) are fundamentally opposed to any form of immigration we can assign any form of labels but it's irrelevant as that is their thinking and in a Free Country they are quite entitled to hold that view The second (b) are merely anarchic thugs who seize an opportunity to cause mayhem and chaos and maybe they can grasp a free hoodie or a pair of sneakers for their night of "fun" No I'm not trying to say that, I'm saying that of the people who have immigrated , say since the second world war, whilst some have integrated, some live as a tolerant and tolerated culture within our multi cultural society, some seemingly have not found their place within Britain ( although of course we are talking about Ireland a EU country ... it is clear that immigration is an issue across Europe, given the Dutch election result). Some people are concerned about the direction of travel. Those ready to riot at any excuse are imo much worse than the integrated/ multi cultural immigrant...... It seems that a single incident can spark them off ( George Floyd), (I was at the Toxteth riots)...just random thoughts not necessarily linked or logical.Good night |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2023 23:08:30 GMT
Better get used to migration, gents, legal or otherwise.
Climate change will have people moving around in their millions soon enough.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 0:04:30 GMT
With respect BigJohn I'm not entirely sure what your point is or more importantly what is your solution In Dublin there are two things happening simultaneously A horrific knife attack was perpetrated by an Irish Citizen who had been living in Ireland for 20 years albeit born in some other unknown Country Are you saying that Ireland or indeed UK should not accept any immigrants or further that current immigrants or those of 2nd or 3rd Generation which includes many Irish incidentally should be expelled from UK? At the same time a relatively small number of people on the Streets of Dublin rioted because they object to any immigrants and a larger group of people rioted, looted, attached the Police and Emergency Services for their particular reasons The first is a horrendous criminal act which I believe it is important to understand the motivation, I accept many on this thread believe it's unimportant The second (a) are fundamentally opposed to any form of immigration we can assign any form of labels but it's irrelevant as that is their thinking and in a Free Country they are quite entitled to hold that view The second (b) are merely anarchic thugs who seize an opportunity to cause mayhem and chaos and maybe they can grasp a free hoodie or a pair of sneakers for their night of "fun" No I'm not trying to say that, I'm saying that of the people who have immigrated , say since the second world war, whilst some have integrated, some live as a tolerant and tolerated culture within our multi cultural society, some seemingly have not found their place within Britain ( although of course we are talking about Ireland a EU country ... it is clear that immigration is an issue across Europe, given the Dutch election result). Some people are concerned about the direction of travel. Those ready to riot at any excuse are imo much worse than the integrated/ multi cultural immigrant...... It seems that a single incident can spark them off ( George Floyd), (I was at the Toxteth riots)...just random thoughts not necessarily linked or logical.Good night I realise you won't read this until at least tomorrow I don't disagree with your analysis about integration some Immigrants do others don't it's more likely to occurs in 2nd and 3rd Generation but I personally see no issue with it one way or the other, in fact I think it's completely understandable People determine correctly that many Immigrants are Economic migrants which implies that if economic circumstances were different in their home country they wouldn't emigrate in the first place i.e. they are reluctant migrants so therefore it's quite understandable they would attempt to keep the vestiges of their home Country alive. It's no different to when British Emigrants/Colonists went to other Countries they retained sometimes idiosyncratic rituals e.g. in India the most profound the spread of the English Language which has become an asset, formal dressing for dinner and many other examples which were used to imply superiority With regard to the riots in Dublin they were provoked by a small minority of people who have on principal an objection to immigrants a position I have said they are entitled to hold, but we're exploited by thugs who had no ulterior motive other than to cause mayhem and as a spinoff loot and attack the forces of Law and Order But let's not forget there are 4 families this evening suffering trauma 2 who are grateful and relieved their loved ones were not seriously injured but 2 who have to await the outcome of the hopefully successful treatment of theirs It is however disengenuous to single out when these horrific acts are perpetrated by somebody "other" when in fact they are a sad reflection of our Society as a whole and their is no evidence that they are perpetrated by one section of Society in Ireland or UK more than another or it is because of lack of integration |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 2:45:32 GMT
Does anybody have the breakdown of that 700,000; working visas, student visas, asylum claims, taking citizenship etc? In the year ending June 2023 There were 321,101 work visas granted to main applicants in the year ending June 2023 In the year ending June 2023 there were 217,786 grants to dependants of people who had been granted a work visa. So of the 672,000 Net Migration more than 80% were to people having work skills in shortage in UK and their dependents Asylum applicants never appear in net Migration figures www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work |
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Post by mrnovember on Nov 24, 2023 5:30:09 GMT
Biggest increases are folk coming here to work and study. With the increase in workers being mainly driven by the ginormous domestic skills shortage we have in the health sector.
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Post by satoshi on Nov 24, 2023 5:49:37 GMT
At least I've increased my post count tonight You should be proud, spammed the board by showing how much you don’t value the lives of innocent kids and white people. Get the balloons out. |
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Post by satoshi on Nov 24, 2023 5:51:29 GMT
Better get used to migration, gents, legal or otherwise. Climate change will have people moving around in their millions soon enough. Leftist bingo. Believe in climate change, covid and cultural enrichment because the bbc said so. Greta will be proud of you. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2023 6:42:31 GMT
Better get used to migration, gents, legal or otherwise. Climate change will have people moving around in their millions soon enough. Leftist bingo. Believe in climate change, covid and cultural enrichment because the bbc said so. Greta will be proud of you. You can't have it both ways, Zerps. You can't complain about mass migration and ignore the drivers of it! It's only going to get more intense and troublesome. |
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Post by satoshi on Nov 24, 2023 7:13:35 GMT
Leftist bingo. Believe in climate change, covid and cultural enrichment because the bbc said so. Greta will be proud of you. You can't have it both ways, Zerps. You can't complain about mass migration and ignore the drivers of it! It's only going to get more intense and troublesome. It’s not real though is it Dave. You obviously don’t watch a place in the sun. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2023 7:21:13 GMT
I don't get my news from A Place in the Sun, Zerps, it's true, you got me!
You'll soon start to see many many more people migrating around the planet, primarily to the developed north, as large parts of the south become increasingly uninhabitable.
If you're worried about migration now, that seems an excellent reason to tackle all the drivers of it. Deal with the root causes, not just complain and (fail to) address the symptoms.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 24, 2023 8:20:33 GMT
What is your definition of an invasion? 70'000+ from another part of the world turning up in a space of 2 years unannounced in blow up boats with no passports. Enough to fill old trafford of young fighting age men. Just under half the amount of the whole British armed forces, in 2 years That is not the definition of an invasion, unless you are saying that all of the immigrants are hostile and want to take control of the country, or that the refugees are unpleasant or lastly that they are "invading" your privacy. Now none of these are actually true are they? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 24, 2023 8:43:19 GMT
Spot on.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 24, 2023 9:21:29 GMT
No I'm not trying to say that, I'm saying that of the people who have immigrated , say since the second world war, whilst some have integrated, some live as a tolerant and tolerated culture within our multi cultural society, some seemingly have not found their place within Britain ( although of course we are talking about Ireland a EU country ... it is clear that immigration is an issue across Europe, given the Dutch election result). Some people are concerned about the direction of travel. Those ready to riot at any excuse are imo much worse than the integrated/ multi cultural immigrant...... It seems that a single incident can spark them off ( George Floyd), (I was at the Toxteth riots)...just random thoughts not necessarily linked or logical.Good night I realise you won't read this until at least tomorrow I don't disagree with your analysis about integration some Immigrants do others don't it's more likely to occurs in 2nd and 3rd Generation but I personally see no issue with it one way or the other, in fact I think it's completely understandable People determine correctly that many Immigrants are Economic migrants which implies that if economic circumstances were different in their home country they wouldn't emigrate in the first place i.e. they are reluctant migrants so therefore it's quite understandable they would attempt to keep the vestiges of their home Country alive. It's no different to when British Emigrants/Colonists went to other Countries they retained sometimes idiosyncratic rituals e.g. in India the most profound the spread of the English Language which has become an asset, formal dressing for dinner and many other examples which were used to imply superiority With regard to the riots in Dublin they were provoked by a small minority of people who have on principal an objection to immigrants a position I have said they are entitled to hold, but we're exploited by thugs who had no ulterior motive other than to cause mayhem and as a spinoff loot and attack the forces of Law and Order But let's not forget there are 4 families this evening suffering trauma 2 who are grateful and relieved their loved ones were not seriously injured but 2 who have to await the outcome of the hopefully successful treatment of theirs It is however disengenuous to single out when these horrific acts are perpetrated by somebody "other" when in fact they are a sad reflection of our Society as a whole and their is no evidence that they are perpetrated by one section of Society in Ireland or UK more than another or it is because of lack of integration I'm not particularly referring to this incident as " other"I did say " This horrific incident might be a one off, amongst many other one offs. It is one the child's family could have done without." two posts back. I'm not forgetting British history/Colonialism, at some point though I think we have to move on as a nation , as Germany seems to have done , following the holocaust....the present generation of young people should not be expected to psy the debt in perpetuity....after all we have often been told that post Brexit the UK has diminished as a voice on the world stage. Again I think Germany have done well as not being expected to take a lead in every international disaster BUT let's remember this incident is not in the UK , it is more of an EU issue and it does seem that across the EU , br it the Netherlands, Poland, Sweden,Hungary, Italy there ate concerns about how to handle immigration and the impact upon the culture ( more than the economy). Of course a bit like the NHS ,those thst think they are on the left seem to want to say " Don't let's talk about it" , thinking that is a position that wins the argument.....constantly making it an us and them, left or right issue. In my opinion it isn't, I simply believe in the nation state, given that's the way the world is organised, and think we should control immigration. I do believe in multi culturalism, but we have to be careful about what we mean by it and how it is handled. I do think there is a national and world problem of over population ( perhaps another subject considered taboo but it does impact upon the environmental problem and the consumption of resources) |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 10:50:49 GMT
I realise you won't read this until at least tomorrow I don't disagree with your analysis about integration some Immigrants do others don't it's more likely to occurs in 2nd and 3rd Generation but I personally see no issue with it one way or the other, in fact I think it's completely understandable People determine correctly that many Immigrants are Economic migrants which implies that if economic circumstances were different in their home country they wouldn't emigrate in the first place i.e. they are reluctant migrants so therefore it's quite understandable they would attempt to keep the vestiges of their home Country alive. It's no different to when British Emigrants/Colonists went to other Countries they retained sometimes idiosyncratic rituals e.g. in India the most profound the spread of the English Language which has become an asset, formal dressing for dinner and many other examples which were used to imply superiority With regard to the riots in Dublin they were provoked by a small minority of people who have on principal an objection to immigrants a position I have said they are entitled to hold, but we're exploited by thugs who had no ulterior motive other than to cause mayhem and as a spinoff loot and attack the forces of Law and Order But let's not forget there are 4 families this evening suffering trauma 2 who are grateful and relieved their loved ones were not seriously injured but 2 who have to await the outcome of the hopefully successful treatment of theirs It is however disengenuous to single out when these horrific acts are perpetrated by somebody "other" when in fact they are a sad reflection of our Society as a whole and their is no evidence that they are perpetrated by one section of Society in Ireland or UK more than another or it is because of lack of integration I'm not particularly referring to this incident as " other"I did say " This horrific incident might be a one off, amongst many other one offs. It is one the child's family could have done without." two posts back. I'm not forgetting British history/Colonialism, at some point though I think we have to move on as a nation , as Germany seems to have done , following the holocaust....the present generation of young people should not be expected to psy the debt in perpetuity....after all we have often been told that post Brexit the UK has diminished as a voice on the world stage. Again I think Germany have done well as not being expected to take a lead in every international disaster BUT let's remember this incident is not in the UK , it is more of an EU issue and it does seem that across the EU , br it the Netherlands, Poland, Sweden,Hungary, Italy there ate concerns about how to handle immigration and the impact upon the culture ( more than the economy). Of course a bit like the NHS ,those thst think they are on the left seem to want to say " Don't let's talk about it" , thinking that is a position that wins the argument.....constantly making it an us and them, left or right issue. In my opinion it isn't, I simply believe in the nation state, given that's the way the world is organised, and think we should control immigration. I do believe in multi culturalism, but we have to be careful about what we mean by it and how it is handled. I do think there is a national and world problem of over population ( perhaps another subject considered taboo but it does impact upon the environmental problem and the consumption of resources) I'm sorry BigJohn I didn't make myself clearer. What I was trying to say is that it's understandable that Economic Immigrants may try and retain some vestiges of there Culture and I used the English in India as an example. Another example would be when some English people, particularly young lads, go on holiday to say Spain they expect to see and want something more resembling Blackpool and Fish and Chips is more popular than Tapas. As far as I'm aware this incident in Dublin is unusual but you always have a small group left/right who have more extreme views and unfortunately you have scumbags who attach just to cause trouble Of course UK like any Country should control it's Borders but the number of people who arrived irregularly in small boats last year although not included in official Net Migration figures account for 3% of that total but seem to take up 99% of the Airtime and Government focus. Of the 672,000 Net Migration figure more than 80% were given Work Visas or to their dependents The vast majority coming from India, Nigeria and Zimbabwe I think at least some part of Government Conversation should be why are 1.5 million Brits unemployed Do they have the wrong skills, is the education system lacking or do they not want to work in certain jobs. Irregular immigration is a problem for many Countries but it's an international problem that can be best solved collectively. But UK also has a skills and productivity problem going back decades some attention to that would be welcome |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 10:55:26 GMT
At least I've increased my post count tonight You should be proud, spammed the board by showing how much you don’t value the lives of innocent kids and white people. Get the balloons out. Don't continue to be an idiot and misrepresent my position |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 24, 2023 10:58:11 GMT
70'000+ from another part of the world turning up in a space of 2 years unannounced in blow up boats with no passports. Enough to fill old trafford of young fighting age men. Just under half the amount of the whole British armed forces, in 2 years That is not the definition of an invasion, unless you are saying that all of the immigrants are hostile and want to take control of the country, or that the refugees are unpleasant or lastly that they are "invading" your privacy. Now none of these are actually true are they? It doesn't matter if they're 'all' hostile or not, it takes one of them to cowardly slaughter people as we've just seen, it's common place where they come from, they're a different breed, they shouldn’t be here at all. They dont share our values, at all. All these people championing these Islamic entering the country and criticising the people who have their eyes wide open will be the ones cowering behind their sofas when the shit really does hit the fan. |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 24, 2023 11:14:39 GMT
That is not the definition of an invasion, unless you are saying that all of the immigrants are hostile and want to take control of the country, or that the refugees are unpleasant or lastly that they are "invading" your privacy. Now none of these are actually true are they? It doesn't matter if they're 'all' hostile or not, it takes one of them to cowardly slaughter people as we've just seen, it's common place where they come from, they're a different breed, they shouldn’t be here at all. They dont share our values, at all. All these people championing these Islamic entering the country and criticising the people who have their eyes wide open will be the ones cowering behind their sofas when the shit really does hit the fan. I dont think us as Brits can claim the morale high ground on this topic and I dont even know what these "values" are you are talking about. Also you seem to have an issue with religion and blaming Islam for the crimes Muslims are committing. Can you tell me why are you blaming the Islamic religion for the actions of shall we say for example the atrocity in Dublin last night. And what instances would you blame Christianity for the offences committed by the "indigenous white" people in this country? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 24, 2023 11:19:23 GMT
It doesn't matter if they're 'all' hostile or not, it takes one of them to cowardly slaughter people as we've just seen, it's common place where they come from, they're a different breed, they shouldn’t be here at all. They dont share our values, at all. All these people championing these Islamic entering the country and criticising the people who have their eyes wide open will be the ones cowering behind their sofas when the shit really does hit the fan. I dont think us as Brits can claim the morale high ground on this topic and I dont even know what these "values" are you are talking about. Also you seem to have an issue with religion and blaming Islam for the crimes Muslims are committing. Can you tell me why are you blaming the Islamic religion for the actions of shall we say for example the atrocity in Dublin last night. And what instances would you blame Christianity for the offences committed by the "indigenous white" people in this country? You're dead right I blame Islam, I'm not going to go through it, it's like speaking to a brick wall. I'm not far right, I'm dead right. They don't belong here and the atrocities keep stacking up to prove it. It's funny how these Islamic's don't go around butchering their own on these shores isn't it |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 24, 2023 11:24:13 GMT
I dont think us as Brits can claim the morale high ground on this topic and I dont even know what these "values" are you are talking about. Also you seem to have an issue with religion and blaming Islam for the crimes Muslims are committing. Can you tell me why are you blaming the Islamic religion for the actions of shall we say for example the atrocity in Dublin last night. And what instances would you blame Christianity for the offences committed by the "indigenous white" people in this country? You're dead right I blame Islam, I'm not going to go through it, it's like speaking to a brick wall. I'm not far right, I'm dead right. They don't belong here and the atrocities keep stacking up to prove it So you make a sweeping statement and then don't back it up, and what about the crimes associated with Christianity or do they not exist, or in fact any other religion you can pin down to peoples crimes? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 24, 2023 11:25:40 GMT
You're dead right I blame Islam, I'm not going to go through it, it's like speaking to a brick wall. I'm not far right, I'm dead right. They don't belong here and the atrocities keep stacking up to prove it So you make a sweeping statement and then don't back it up, and what about the crimes associated with Christianity or do they not exist, or in fact any other religion you can pin down to peoples crimes? I arn't explaining to you youre not prepared to see. The evidence is out there, this is GB, if you want to come to GB you respect the country, it's values and it's people, you integrate and become British or you sod off home. They wouldn't have us populating their land, full stop. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 24, 2023 11:25:43 GMT
Why would you even imply I think this attack is OK or can be mitigated in anyway What exactly are you trying to say Knype? From the get go my focus has been accurate reporting The attacker is a complete moron who has lived in Ireland for 20 years I'm quite certain questions will be asked if anything could have been done to prevent the attack or if "he was known to the Police" This is very important in UK many more attacks are prevented than are ever reported It's very important to gather intelligence to prevent any future attacks If when the Police are able to interview this arsehole it is vital to determine his motives no matter how deranged to eliminate any future threats Equally Moronic are the Rioters who have seized this opportunity to pursue their own agenda Others have joined in to pursue a new pair of Sneakers or are you approving the attacks on the Police and Emergency Workers This horrific incident might be a one off, amongst many other one offs. It is one the child's family could have done without For me when people say " He/ she " has been in the uk for 20 years, or they are second or third generation, I think that adds to the problem. Thee are many immigrants who are second, third generation, but have either integrated or found their identity as one of the multi cultures, living peacefully and tolerantly, alongside other cultures BUT unfortunately there does seem to be a number oof our people who don't sit comfortably within the wider culture.IMO.( which isn't to label all recent immigrants as a threat) When you are second, third or fourth generation then you are no longer an immigrant. We would all be immigrants if that wasn't the case. It's an incredibly low bar but Britain is the least racist country in the world. Our multi-cultured society for the most part has worked. The leader of our country, as deplorable as he is, is the son of immigrants. The situation on our South coast is far from ideal but people get so hateful, when we should celebrate our strengths. |
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