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Post by satoshi on Nov 23, 2023 15:49:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 15:51:15 GMT
And it could well be but it isn’t there yet. Also, what happens then? Mass unemployment. I’m sure all of these business oligarchs will share their wealth to ease the burden on the average person, probably in the form of rations. I'd imagine a managed population decline and UBI. The ultimate (Soylent) green policy. So, complete subservience to business oligarchs. I’m not sure how that sounds better than immigration to be honest. At what point after that do you think the country would simply say, “nope, you only get 5 years of pension, you don’t work (there’s no jobs)” and the average age drops off the cliff? Personally, I think that the idea of forced UBI is horrific. It should be a safety net not a mandate. It’s as far away from small government as you can get. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 15:55:24 GMT
Office of national statistics says 140'000 more come to live in the u.k than previously thought 740'000 now net immigration How is it even possible to miscalculate by over 100k. That's alarming in itself. Intentionally miscalculated I'd guess |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 23, 2023 16:00:58 GMT
That's more people than in our armed forces!!! I found this Personnel. As of 1 July 2023 the British Armed Forces are a professional force with a total strength of 185,980 personnel, consisting of 140,300 UK Regulars and 4,140 Gurkhas, 33,210 Volunteer Reserves and 8,330 "Other Personnel". I hadn't googled it. However just have and I've seen what you've quoted and another one that says 74k. So fuck knows. Anyway 70k illegal immigrants rocking up on boats is definitely something that needs a solution finding for. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 16:05:01 GMT
I found this Personnel. As of 1 July 2023 the British Armed Forces are a professional force with a total strength of 185,980 personnel, consisting of 140,300 UK Regulars and 4,140 Gurkhas, 33,210 Volunteer Reserves and 8,330 "Other Personnel". I hadn't googled it. However just have and I've seen what you've quoted and another one that says 74k. So fuck knows. Anyway 70k illegal immigrants rocking up on boats is definitely something that needs a solution finding for. Solution could be to employ more people to process them faster, kick out the ones without legitimate claims for asylum and create a policy whereby those that want to enter the country have to work in certain jobs of high necessity to the economy for a set period of time. Instead, the policy is to house them in hotels that are ran by Tory donors. I wonder why. |
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Post by knype on Nov 23, 2023 16:08:10 GMT
I hadn't googled it. However just have and I've seen what you've quoted and another one that says 74k. So fuck knows. Anyway 70k illegal immigrants rocking up on boats is definitely something that needs a solution finding for. Solution could be to employ more people to process them faster, kick out the ones without legitimate claims for asylum and create a policy whereby those that want to enter the country have to work in certain jobs of high necessity to the economy for a set period of time. Instead, the policy is to house them in hotels that are ran by Tory donors. I wonder why. Or send them to another country until we can process their claims? Or just take them back over into France if arriving on boats with no documentation |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 23, 2023 16:13:53 GMT
I hadn't googled it. However just have and I've seen what you've quoted and another one that says 74k. So fuck knows. Anyway 70k illegal immigrants rocking up on boats is definitely something that needs a solution finding for. Solution could be to employ more people to process them faster, kick out the ones without legitimate claims for asylum and create a policy whereby those that want to enter the country have to work in certain jobs of high necessity to the economy for a set period of time. Instead, the policy is to house them in hotels that are ran by Tory donors. I wonder why. Totally agree 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 16:15:08 GMT
Solution could be to employ more people to process them faster, kick out the ones without legitimate claims for asylum and create a policy whereby those that want to enter the country have to work in certain jobs of high necessity to the economy for a set period of time. Instead, the policy is to house them in hotels that are ran by Tory donors. I wonder why. Or send them to another country until we can process their claims? Or just take them back over into France if arriving on boats with no documentation Yeah, sending to France will work. The navy have nothing better to do than constantly sending immigrants back and forth to France (who I’m sure would just do the same right back). The Rwanda policy cost ~£140 million and was designed to send ~1,000 immigrants over how many years? That doesn’t sound cost effective to me. It’s also not going to solve 50,000 immigrants arriving on boats in only 1/50th were ever going to be processed. Just employ more people to do what the rest of them do, process claims. It’s the cheapest option. Then, employ more people to oversee integration into society and aid in job searches for areas that the govt at that time deem to be a priority. Make them contribute effectively to the country. The Rwanda policy was never a plan A. How could it be when it wasn’t going to process anywhere close to a reasonable number of immigrants? This govt has no plan B because hiring more people to process claims will make them look dumb (why didn’t they do it in the first place) and it will be a low/moderate paying job that their Tory donors can’t wrangle. Perhaps if a Tory donor creates a private firm to handle these claims, they’ll go down that exact route. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 23, 2023 16:19:48 GMT
Or send them to another country until we can process their claims? Or just take them back over into France if arriving on boats with no documentation Yeah, sending to France will work. The navy have nothing better to do than constantly sending immigrants back and forth to France (who I’m sure would just do the same right back). The Rwanda policy cost ~£140 million and was designed to send ~1,000 immigrants over how many years? That doesn’t sound cost effective to me. It’s also not going to solve 50,000 immigrants arriving on boats in only 1/50th were ever going to be processed. Just employ more people to do what the rest of them do, process claims. It’s the cheapest option. Then, employ more people to oversee integration into society and aid in job searches for areas that the govt at that time deem to be a priority. Make them contribute effectively to the country. The Rwanda policy was never a plan A. How could it be when it wasn’t going to process anywhere close to a reasonable number of immigrants? This govt has no plan B because hiring more people to process claims will make them look dumb (why didn’t they do it in the first place) and it will be a low/moderate paying job that their Tory donors can’t wrangle. Perhaps if a Tory donor creates a private firm to handle these claims, they’ll go down that exact route. Lol. There will be tory donors setting up immigrant processing systems as we speak probably 😆 then will come the policy u turn |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 16:23:32 GMT
I'd imagine a managed population decline and UBI. The ultimate (Soylent) green policy. So, complete subservience to business oligarchs. I’m not sure how that sounds better than immigration to be honest. At what point after that do you think the country would simply say, “nope, you only get 5 years of pension, you don’t work (there’s no jobs)” and the average age drops off the cliff? Personally, I think that the idea of forced UBI is horrific. It should be a safety net not a mandate. It’s as far away from small government as you can get. Aren't we not far off that point as it is? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 16:25:35 GMT
Yeah, sending to France will work. The navy have nothing better to do than constantly sending immigrants back and forth to France (who I’m sure would just do the same right back). The Rwanda policy cost ~£140 million and was designed to send ~1,000 immigrants over how many years? That doesn’t sound cost effective to me. It’s also not going to solve 50,000 immigrants arriving on boats in only 1/50th were ever going to be processed. Just employ more people to do what the rest of them do, process claims. It’s the cheapest option. Then, employ more people to oversee integration into society and aid in job searches for areas that the govt at that time deem to be a priority. Make them contribute effectively to the country. The Rwanda policy was never a plan A. How could it be when it wasn’t going to process anywhere close to a reasonable number of immigrants? This govt has no plan B because hiring more people to process claims will make them look dumb (why didn’t they do it in the first place) and it will be a low/moderate paying job that their Tory donors can’t wrangle. Perhaps if a Tory donor creates a private firm to handle these claims, they’ll go down that exact route. Lol. There will be tory donors setting up immigrant processing systems as we speak probably 😆 then will come the policy u turn It honestly wouldn’t shock me. They’d still use the hotels though, of course. They could offer an all-in-one service then from advertising to integration. Braverman would probably head it. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 16:26:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 16:28:46 GMT
So, complete subservience to business oligarchs. I’m not sure how that sounds better than immigration to be honest. At what point after that do you think the country would simply say, “nope, you only get 5 years of pension, you don’t work (there’s no jobs)” and the average age drops off the cliff? Personally, I think that the idea of forced UBI is horrific. It should be a safety net not a mandate. It’s as far away from small government as you can get. Aren't we not far off that point as it is? I would say that social mobility in the UK is awful. That said, an entire population on UBI and rations doesn’t sound that close to me, no. Surely, the goal should be to vote for policies that put more money in your pocket, not accelerate the rampant wealth disparities? |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 16:39:23 GMT
Aren't we not far off that point as it is? I would say that social mobility in the UK is awful. That said, an entire population on UBI and rations doesn’t sound that close to me, no. Surely, the goal should be to vote for policies that put more money in your pocket, not accelerate the rampant wealth disparities? Universal Credit & Food Banks? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 16:45:52 GMT
I would say that social mobility in the UK is awful. That said, an entire population on UBI and rations doesn’t sound that close to me, no. Surely, the goal should be to vote for policies that put more money in your pocket, not accelerate the rampant wealth disparities? Universal Credit & Food Banks? Which are in no way the same as removing all jobs and forcing a country’s populace into UBI and rations. One is a social safety net, the other is a new way of life. Surely, the goal should be to create policies whereby the need for universal credit and food banks is reduced not the population standard? Food banks is another ludicrous thing. The cost of food has skyrocketed worldwide while companies like Tesco make insane, record profits and throw SO much food away. Basic policies that look to regulate the % profit on each food item and fine companies for extensive food waste would be a decent start. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 23, 2023 16:46:46 GMT
They're foreign, weird, with weird foreign ways, not like us. And they might be terrorists, don't you get it? You certainly do ** thumbs up **, things will get tribal eventually, when their numbers increase we've seen it in Bradford and Oldham, only a fool would believe any different. We've invited future conflicts to these shores in the name of 'cultural enrichment' when we really didnt need too You are just echoing Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech from 1968. The people gagging for a fight aren't the immigrants - it's your lot and despite repeated attempts over the years to kick things off you've failed to make it happen partly because the vast majority don't really feel the need to indulge in violence over a something in their lives that isn't actually an issue and partly because when the thugs have gathered they've been outnumbered by those of us on the other side prepared to stand side by side with our friends and neighbours. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 23, 2023 17:02:07 GMT
Office of national statistics says 140'000 more come to live in the u.k than previously thought 740'000 now net immigration How is it even possible to miscalculate by over 100k. That's alarming in itself. It's of concern if not only because of the difficulty in planning services provision, not that the present government is very concerned about public service provision. But it is not surprising. When the referendum was held in 2016 there were protests that possibly 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK were disenfranchised, not being allowed a vote. Since leaving the EU over 7 million applications for settlement by EU citizens have been granted. It is clear the authorities had no idea how many people were entering the UK and staying when there was freedom of movement. It not surprising public services are overwhelmed when they are under funded, more demand due to ageing and unknown increased population, Covid, exhausted NHS, strikes, etc. Many of the "extra" immigrants are dependants of those already here, so likely to be putting extra demand on education, old age services, etc. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2023 17:13:49 GMT
I also see no difference to what Putin is doing in Ukraine and Netanyahu in Gaza to what is happening here…think about the words you use. That's nothing to do with us, I believe people should look after their own land and the people in it instead of meddling in international affairs that have nothing to do with them. The problem with this country is we have too many 'do gooders' both in parliament and public, they see Britain as a settling area for all the world's waifs and strays at the expense of their own. What a shit show. You can't keep doing that and steer clear of conflict yourselves in the dumping ground you've created You miss the point. Putin and Netanyahu carpet bombing cities and rolling tanks into foreign territory, killing thousands. That is an invasion. A drip feed of asylum seekers coming here the only way they can and then claiming asylum here under laws we have chosen to be part of, and most of them being granted leave to remain living here. That is not an invasion. Do you see the difference? Also, we take very few asylum seekers compared with other rich European nations. So very few actually come here. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 17:19:03 GMT
Does anybody have the breakdown of that 700,000; working visas, student visas, asylum claims, taking citizenship etc?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 23, 2023 17:20:36 GMT
That's nothing to do with us, I believe people should look after their own land and the people in it instead of meddling in international affairs that have nothing to do with them. The problem with this country is we have too many 'do gooders' both in parliament and public, they see Britain as a settling area for all the world's waifs and strays at the expense of their own. What a shit show. You can't keep doing that and steer clear of conflict yourselves in the dumping ground you've created You miss the point. Putin and Netanyahu carpet bombing cities and rolling tanks into foreign territory, killing thousands. That is an invasion. A drip feed of asylum seekers coming here the only way they can and then claiming asylum here under laws we have chosen to be part of, and most of them being granted leave to remain living here. That is not an invasion. Do you see the difference? Also, we take very few asylum seekers compared with other rich European nations. So very few actually come here. sometimes you have to question the Law. Are Israel bombing Gaza under International Law? Homosexual acts were once illegal in this country we've cone a long way since then. Apartheid was legal in South Africa, segregation in the USA... etc |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 17:27:57 GMT
You certainly do ** thumbs up **, things will get tribal eventually, when their numbers increase we've seen it in Bradford and Oldham, only a fool would believe any different. We've invited future conflicts to these shores in the name of 'cultural enrichment' when we really didnt need too You are just echoing Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech from 1968. The people gagging for a fight aren't the immigrants - it's your lot and despite repeated attempts over the years to kick things off you've failed to make it happen partly because the vast majority don't really feel the need to indulge in violence over a something in their lives that isn't actually an issue and partly because when the thugs have gathered they've been outnumbered by those of us on the other side prepared to stand side by side with our friends and neighbours. Children have just been stabbed in Ireland, no doubt it's a bit more of this cultural enrichment you champion. Never mind though hey, they can light a candle or two, that'll fix it. No doubt it's 'another' isolated incident and he has mental health issues, my bet is those mental health issues are he's an islamic extremist, but we'll see . If you believe more of this stuff isn't in the post for the future of this country you're seriously deluded. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 23, 2023 17:35:50 GMT
That's nothing to do with us, I believe people should look after their own land and the people in it instead of meddling in international affairs that have nothing to do with them. The problem with this country is we have too many 'do gooders' both in parliament and public, they see Britain as a settling area for all the world's waifs and strays at the expense of their own. What a shit show. You can't keep doing that and steer clear of conflict yourselves in the dumping ground you've created You miss the point. Putin and Netanyahu carpet bombing cities and rolling tanks into foreign territory, killing thousands. That is an invasion. A drip feed of asylum seekers coming here the only way they can and then claiming asylum here under laws we have chosen to be part of, and most of them being granted leave to remain living here. That is not an invasion. Do you see the difference? Also, we take very few asylum seekers compared with other rich European nations. So very few actually come here. As far as we know many asylum seekers come directly from safe France , a great, safe EU Country. France has over twice the land area as we do, and half the population density, perhaps they are in a better position than we are to accommodate more people? As asylum seekers are an asset, perhaps they should do everything they can to keep them. Perhaps we need to look at levelling out populations? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 17:39:30 GMT
You miss the point. Putin and Netanyahu carpet bombing cities and rolling tanks into foreign territory, killing thousands. That is an invasion. A drip feed of asylum seekers coming here the only way they can and then claiming asylum here under laws we have chosen to be part of, and most of them being granted leave to remain living here. That is not an invasion. Do you see the difference? Also, we take very few asylum seekers compared with other rich European nations. So very few actually come here. As far as we know many asylum seekers come directly from safe France , a great, safe EU Country. France has over twice the land area as we do, and half the population density, perhaps they are in a better position than we are to accommodate more people? As asylum seekers are an asset, perhaps they should do everything they can to keep them They already take in twice as much: www.worlddata.info/europe/france/asylum.phpI imagine, that like in any country, France have to balance the numbers of asylum claims with their population and their voting demands. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 23, 2023 18:31:56 GMT
As far as we know many asylum seekers come directly from safe France , a great, safe EU Country. France has over twice the land area as we do, and half the population density, perhaps they are in a better position than we are to accommodate more people? As asylum seekers are an asset, perhaps they should do everything they can to keep them They already take in twice as much: www.worlddata.info/europe/france/asylum.phpI imagine, that like in any country, France have to balance the numbers of asylum claims with their population and their voting demands. Was just about to say the same. And if a refugee can't speak French but can speak English and they have family living here, who maybe able to provide them with accommodation and/or a job, then why on earth would they then stay in France? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 23, 2023 18:35:45 GMT
As far as we know many asylum seekers come directly from safe France , a great, safe EU Country. France has over twice the land area as we do, and half the population density, perhaps they are in a better position than we are to accommodate more people? As asylum seekers are an asset, perhaps they should do everything they can to keep them They already take in twice as much: www.worlddata.info/europe/france/asylum.phpI imagine, that like in any country, France have to balance the numbers of asylum claims with their population and their voting demands. They are still way over represented in this country. It cannot go on and I think even most lefties would agree with that. Seems to me that this is way down the list of government priorities by the slapdash nature of their policies. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 23, 2023 18:42:54 GMT
As far as we know many asylum seekers come directly from safe France , a great, safe EU Country. France has over twice the land area as we do, and half the population density, perhaps they are in a better position than we are to accommodate more people? As asylum seekers are an asset, perhaps they should do everything they can to keep them They already take in twice as much: www.worlddata.info/europe/france/asylum.phpI imagine, that like in any country, France have to balance the numbers of asylum claims with their population and their voting demands. I don't think the figures you quote are " Twice as much" France 115,078 1,694 Austria 109,721 12,134 Russia 102,951 717 Canada 94,246 2,421 United Kingdom 89,146 1,331 Italy 76,830 1,305 Particularly per 1000000 of population. Given the , I think 2.4 more land mass and half the population density( 2.4 x 2), then arguably they should take 5 times as many, I don't think the language spoken is the first consideration when seeking asylum, refuge from persecution. Obviously English is a more worldwide language, we can't take more on that basis A bigger factor we should consider is where are the women and children, a disproportionate amount of young men. And I'm not saying the UK should not take some genuine refugees, economic migrants is a different issue. Similar to Gaza, the resl solutionis to make a person's homeland safe and certainly not attract a developing country's most skilled assets |
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 23, 2023 18:44:09 GMT
I don't know the full story or the accuracy of the alleged identity here but it is kicking off in Dublin this evening. Riot police have been deployed. A terrible story involving young innocent children. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 18:53:19 GMT
I don't know the full story or the accuracy of the alleged identity here but it is kicking off in Dublin this evening. Riot police have been deployed. A terrible story involving young innocent children. Dead right, I nearly posted earlier the Irish won't put up with that |
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Post by satoshi on Nov 23, 2023 19:03:54 GMT
It’s physically sickened me. I made sure I finished work early and did the school run tonight
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 19:07:35 GMT
I don't know the full story or the accuracy of the alleged identity here but it is kicking off in Dublin this evening. Riot police have been deployed. A terrible story involving young innocent children. Just goes to show the danger of irresponsible posting on Twitter especially from this Pondlife A creche assistant and a young girl are in hospital with serious but non life threatening injuries 2 other children were injured, taken to Hospital and have been released The attacker in his mid 50s is also in Hospital from being attached by passersby who witnessed the incident The Police have ruled out a Terrorist incident and are not seeking anyone else About a dozen Tommy Robinson types have turned up at the scene to let off fireworks |
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