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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 23, 2023 12:25:32 GMT
How many of those immigrants came by dinghy do you think? This year, 27,284 more than should have done. 45,755 more than should have done in 2022. As of 13 November, 27,284 people had crossed the English Channel in 2023. In 2022, 45,755 migrants made the crossing, the highest number since figures began to be collected in 2018. In total, more than 100,000 people have come to the UK this way since 2018. And we have no idea who they are when they switch their 4* hotel bedlamp off at night at a cost of £8 million a day to the u.k tax payer So about 6.7% of net migration in the year to June. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 12:26:51 GMT
This year, 27,284 more than should have done. 45,755 more than should have done in 2022. As of 13 November, 27,284 people had crossed the English Channel in 2023. In 2022, 45,755 migrants made the crossing, the highest number since figures began to be collected in 2018. In total, more than 100,000 people have come to the UK this way since 2018. And we have no idea who they are when they switch their 4* hotel bedlamp off at night at a cost of £8 million a day to the u.k tax payer So about 6.7% of net migration in the year to June. 70'000+ in 2 years of unknowns, potentially terrorists, paid for by the tax payer |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 12:29:03 GMT
That's called an invasion
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 23, 2023 12:29:40 GMT
670,000 net migration, the vast majority legal for work purposes, yet the economy barely grew. Not great for GDP per capita . In the last 2 years the number men of fighting age that have crossed the channel via boat could fill old trafford football ground Forgetting the boats for a minute do you support the other migration? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 12:32:36 GMT
In the last 2 years the number men of fighting age that have crossed the channel via boat could fill old trafford football ground Forgetting the boats for a minute do you support the other migration? Qualified professionals with full back ground checks yes, although big questions should be asked as to why we lack these professions and something done about it. In an ideal world, no I'd rather do without |
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Post by redstriper on Nov 23, 2023 12:44:05 GMT
The Dutch have voted for the anti-islam anti immigration populist. trouble ahead ? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 12:59:39 GMT
The Dutch have voted for the anti-islam anti immigration populist. trouble ahead ?What a lovely comment In France, Marine Le Pen said it "confirms the growing attachment to the defence of national identities". Perfectly put, it's not racism as the loony left like to label it. I hope all Europe follows suit, 'The times, they're a changing' ~ Bob Dylan |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 13:46:02 GMT
How many of those immigrants came by dinghy do you think? This year, 27,284 more than should have done. 45,755 more than should have done in 2022. As of 13 November, 27,284 people had crossed the English Channel in 2023. In 2022, 45,755 migrants made the crossing, the highest number since figures began to be collected in 2018. In total, more than 100,000 people have come to the UK this way since 2018. And we have no idea who they are when they switch their 4* hotel bedlamp off at night at a cost of £8 million a day to the u.k tax payer I don't know why people are quoting incorrect figures It was thought that in the year to June 2022 a record 606,000 legally increased Net Migration, it was a record but the ONS got the figures wrong it was 745,000 To the year June 2023 a further 672,000 net entered UK legally .... unless the ONS correct this years figures also The relatively small numbers you are quoting are not included in any of the above figures The question which should be asked of Government is what provisions you have made in terms of Housing, Medical, Dental Services etc for the almost 1.5 Million people you have invited to this Country to fill Work Skill shortages, study etc when you have drastically cut the Budgets of chronically understaffed Public Services and have no coherent House Building Plan By way of reference in the year prior to Brexit Referendum Net Migration was 329,000 there were no small boats yet it influenced many in their choice |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 23, 2023 13:49:48 GMT
The Dutch have voted for the anti-islam anti immigration populist. trouble ahead ?What a lovely comment In France, Marine Le Pen said it "confirms the growing attachment to the defence of national identities". Perfectly put, it's not racism as the loony left like to label it. I hope all Europe follows suit, 'The times, they're a changing' ~ Bob Dylan National identity as a specific thing is a myth - there isn't a single national identity. We have completely separate identitie - I pretty much can't stand yours and you can't stand mine. Getting rid of immigrants won't make a blind bit of difference to the fact that we live live in a multi cultural society - my culture is complete different to yours and always will be. What I find bizarre is how threatened those on the right feel about the presence of people who don't identify the same as them. Is your identity so weak it will collapse in the presence of someone who doesn't share your views and skin colour? If so it's you who have the problem, not them. My national identity is one that encompasses a multitude of views, attitudes, ethnicities and religions and my national identity as as much right of existing as yours. If you really want a country with a very specific national identity (i.e. yours) immigration really isn't your biggest problem. For one thing you are going to have to make everyone else as fearful and paranoid of a non existent threat to their identity as you are. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2023 14:11:34 GMT
What a lovely comment In France, Marine Le Pen said it "confirms the growing attachment to the defence of national identities". Perfectly put, it's not racism as the loony left like to label it. I hope all Europe follows suit, 'The times, they're a changing' ~ Bob Dylan National identity as a specific thing is a myth - there isn't a single national identity. We have completely separate identitie - I pretty much can't stand yours and you can't stand mine. Getting rid of immigrants won't make a blind bit of difference to the fact that we live live in a multi cultural society - my culture is complete different to yours and always will be. What I find bizarre is how threatened those on the right feel about the presence of people who don't identify the same as them. Is your identity so weak it will collapse in the presence of someone who doesn't share your views and skin colour? If so it's you who have the problem, not them. My national identity is one that encompasses a multitude of views, attitudes, ethnicities and religions and my national identity as as much right of existing as yours. If you really want a country with a very specific national identity (i.e. yours) immigration really isn't your biggest problem. For one thing you are going to have to make everyone else as fearful and paranoid of a non existent threat to their identity as you are. They're foreign, weird, with weird foreign ways, not like us. And they might be terrorists, don't you get it? |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 23, 2023 14:32:32 GMT
Farage had it right last night. migration and a larger population is only ok if services are improved to accommodate
that has not been the case for twenty years, hence the larger brexit debate
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 23, 2023 14:44:10 GMT
This year, 27,284 more than should have done. 45,755 more than should have done in 2022. As of 13 November, 27,284 people had crossed the English Channel in 2023. In 2022, 45,755 migrants made the crossing, the highest number since figures began to be collected in 2018. In total, more than 100,000 people have come to the UK this way since 2018. And we have no idea who they are when they switch their 4* hotel bedlamp off at night at a cost of £8 million a day to the u.k tax payer I don't know why people are quoting incorrect figures It was thought that in the year to June 2022 a record 606,000 legally increased Net Migration, it was a record but the ONS got the figures wrong it was 745,000 To the year June 2023 a further 672,000 net entered UK legally .... unless the ONS correct this years figures also The relatively small numbers you are quoting are not included in any of the above figures The question which should be asked of Government is what provisions you have made in terms of Housing, Medical, Dental Services etc for the almost 1.5 Million people you have invited to this Country to fill Work Skill shortages, study etc when you have drastically cut the Budgets of chronically understaffed Public Services and have no coherent House Building Plan By way of reference in the year prior to Brexit Referendum Net Migration was 329,000 there were no small boats yet it influenced many in their choice Indeed. Whilst I don't agree with him that it is objectively funny, project fear, certainly seems to have become project reality ... |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 15:00:13 GMT
Office of national statistics says 140'000 more come to live in the u.k than previously thought 740'000 now net immigration
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 15:03:33 GMT
National identity as a specific thing is a myth - there isn't a single national identity. We have completely separate identitie - I pretty much can't stand yours and you can't stand mine. Getting rid of immigrants won't make a blind bit of difference to the fact that we live live in a multi cultural society - my culture is complete different to yours and always will be. What I find bizarre is how threatened those on the right feel about the presence of people who don't identify the same as them. Is your identity so weak it will collapse in the presence of someone who doesn't share your views and skin colour? If so it's you who have the problem, not them. My national identity is one that encompasses a multitude of views, attitudes, ethnicities and religions and my national identity as as much right of existing as yours. If you really want a country with a very specific national identity (i.e. yours) immigration really isn't your biggest problem. For one thing you are going to have to make everyone else as fearful and paranoid of a non existent threat to their identity as you are. They're foreign, weird, with weird foreign ways, not like us. And they might be terrorists, don't you get it? You certainly do ** thumbs up **, things will get tribal eventually, when their numbers increase we've seen it in Bradford and Oldham, only a fool would believe any different. We've invited future conflicts to these shores in the name of 'cultural enrichment' when we really didnt need too |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 15:09:24 GMT
What a lovely comment In France, Marine Le Pen said it "confirms the growing attachment to the defence of national identities". Perfectly put, it's not racism as the loony left like to label it. I hope all Europe follows suit, 'The times, they're a changing' ~ Bob Dylan National identity as a specific thing is a myth - there isn't a single national identity. We have completely separate identitie - I pretty much can't stand yours and you can't stand mine. Getting rid of immigrants won't make a blind bit of difference to the fact that we live live in a multi cultural society - my culture is complete different to yours and always will be. What I find bizarre is how threatened those on the right feel about the presence of people who don't identify the same as them. Is your identity so weak it will collapse in the presence of someone who doesn't share your views and skin colour? If so it's you who have the problem, not them. My national identity is one that encompasses a multitude of views, attitudes, ethnicities and religions and my national identity as as much right of existing as yours. If you really want a country with a very specific national identity (i.e. yours) immigration really isn't your biggest problem. For one thing you are going to have to make everyone else as fearful and paranoid of a non existent threat to their identity as you are. I don't disagree with much of that, but I'm not averse to listening to any counter argument either. That's how you learn to make your own mind up about things I guess. This is a particularly interesting read though in relation to your final sentence, it made me think immediately of Japan - a nation of relative anglophiles too: www.jcer.or.jp/english/historical-background-of-the-japanese-restrictive-immigration-policy |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 23, 2023 15:16:18 GMT
That's called an invasion What is your definition of an invasion? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 15:19:19 GMT
That's called an invasion What is your definition of an invasion? 70'000+ from another part of the world turning up in a space of 2 years unannounced in blow up boats with no passports. Enough to fill old trafford of young fighting age men. Just under half the amount of the whole British armed forces, in 2 years |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 15:21:29 GMT
Farage had it right last night. migration and a larger population is only ok if services are improved to accommodate that has not been the case for twenty years, hence the larger brexit debate But services can only be expanded if there is taxation. That needs people of working age to support the aging UK population. Immigration supplies this in a country where “natives” are having fewer kids. If only the natives weren’t so selfish and just kept popping out child after child for Britain. They should make a mandate of at least 4 children per parent set so that immigration isn’t necessary. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 23, 2023 15:25:24 GMT
What is your definition of an invasion? 70'000+ from another part of the world turning up in a space of 2 years unannounced in blow up boats with no passports. Enough to fill old trafford of young fighting age men. Just under half the amount of the whole British armed forces, in 2 years That's more people than in our armed forces!!! |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2023 15:26:27 GMT
The Dutch have voted for the anti-islam anti immigration populist. trouble ahead ?37 out of 150 seats. The highest of any party but nobody has agreed to go into coalition with them without them watering down their position. Forming a government will be tough. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2023 15:28:29 GMT
What is your definition of an invasion? 70'000+ from another part of the world turning up in a space of 2 years unannounced in blow up boats with no passports. Enough to fill old trafford of young fighting age men. Just under half the amount of the whole British armed forces, in 2 years I also see no difference to what Putin is doing in Ukraine and Netanyahu in Gaza to what is happening here…think about the words you use. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 15:29:37 GMT
70'000+ from another part of the world turning up in a space of 2 years unannounced in blow up boats with no passports. Enough to fill old trafford of young fighting age men. Just under half the amount of the whole British armed forces, in 2 years That's more people than in our armed forces!!! I found this Personnel. As of 1 July 2023 the British Armed Forces are a professional force with a total strength of 185,980 personnel, consisting of 140,300 UK Regulars and 4,140 Gurkhas, 33,210 Volunteer Reserves and 8,330 "Other Personnel". |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 15:29:50 GMT
Farage had it right last night. migration and a larger population is only ok if services are improved to accommodate that has not been the case for twenty years, hence the larger brexit debate But services can only be expanded if there is taxation. That needs people of working age to support the aging UK population. Immigration supplies this in a country where “natives” are having fewer kids. If only the natives weren’t so selfish and just kept popping out child after child for Britain. They should make a mandate of at least 4 children per parent set so that immigration isn’t necessary. Isn't the counter argument that automation and AI will eventually reduce the need for this? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 15:31:29 GMT
70'000+ from another part of the world turning up in a space of 2 years unannounced in blow up boats with no passports. Enough to fill old trafford of young fighting age men. Just under half the amount of the whole British armed forces, in 2 years I also see no difference to what Putin is doing in Ukraine and Netanyahu in Gaza to what is happening here…think about the words you use. That's nothing to do with us, I believe people should look after their own land and the people in it instead of meddling in international affairs that have nothing to do with them. The problem with this country is we have too many 'do gooders' both in parliament and public, they see Britain as a settling area for all the world's waifs and strays at the expense of their own. What a shit show. You can't keep doing that and steer clear of conflict yourselves in the dumping ground you've created |
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Post by satoshi on Nov 23, 2023 15:38:38 GMT
Terrible news coming from Dublin
There will be a tipping point
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 23, 2023 15:41:46 GMT
Terrible news coming from Dublin There will be a tipping point What has happened? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 15:43:24 GMT
But services can only be expanded if there is taxation. That needs people of working age to support the aging UK population. Immigration supplies this in a country where “natives” are having fewer kids. If only the natives weren’t so selfish and just kept popping out child after child for Britain. They should make a mandate of at least 4 children per parent set so that immigration isn’t necessary. Isn't the counter argument that automation and AI will eventually reduce the need for this? And it could well be but it isn’t there yet. Also, what happens then? Mass unemployment. I’m sure all of these business oligarchs will share their wealth to ease the burden on the average person, probably in the form of rations. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 15:44:52 GMT
Isn't the counter argument that automation and AI will eventually reduce the need for this? And it could well be but it isn’t there yet. Also, what happens then? Mass unemployment. I’m sure all of these business oligarchs will share their wealth to ease the burden on the average person, probably in the form of rations. I'd imagine a managed population decline and UBI. The ultimate (Soylent) green policy. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 23, 2023 15:47:34 GMT
Farage had it right last night. migration and a larger population is only ok if services are improved to accommodate that has not been the case for twenty years, hence the larger brexit debate Agree with that statement. However I'd say services for the most part were able to cope until the last 10 years or so. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 23, 2023 15:49:01 GMT
Office of national statistics says 140'000 more come to live in the u.k than previously thought 740'000 now net immigration How is it even possible to miscalculate by over 100k. That's alarming in itself. |
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