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Post by werrington on Oct 31, 2022 8:26:17 GMT
I’ll leave you too it Bayern …..you’re in one of those not up for debate moods I’m always up for debate but there’s just not a comparison. As lordb says one kills, one throws paint. It’s not even close. And the fact this thread has been spun 180 into it’s the left and what about the Muslims is no shock and says an awful lot. Who’s done that?….certainly not myself I’ll repeat again the far right are vermin just as in a different type of way are the liberal left ( again I repeat NOT the left ) |
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 31, 2022 8:28:08 GMT
Yep, the "migrants in the Hilton" line is trotted out pretty regularly on here. This board is a cesspit of intolerance. Pipe down sheiky |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 31, 2022 8:29:26 GMT
I have been concerned about the far right in this country for some time now. I am also concerned about any act of terrorism.
I fear that this is only just the beginning of what could turn into a blood bath in certain areas of this country. I am aware that this act of terrorism was completed by one person but fear it will not be the last. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong.
If we all look closely at the poverty and overall standards of living that we currently have in the UK, you will notice that immigrants are very often blamed for the current economic climate. I have also noticed that conversations in the pub are now far less tolerant towards immigrants and what they are taking from the UK. The noise from the levels of injustice is increasing, so we all need to keep an eye on this.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 31, 2022 8:29:39 GMT
These newspapers and their online hate-spreading equivalents have an awful lot to answer for....    And a Romanian background tennis player buying a Porsche sharing the front page It’s all done deliberately by that vermin rag My thoughts exactly. Government caught doing something illegal/incompetent...usually accompanied by picture of smiling Kate/William/Queen/Philip; story about migrants....hmmmmm Is it any wonder stuff like this happens when people are drip fed these messages day after day after day... |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 31, 2022 8:32:15 GMT
I’m always up for debate but there’s just not a comparison. As lordb says one kills, one throws paint. It’s not even close. And the fact this thread has been spun 180 into it’s the left and what about the Muslims is no shock and says an awful lot. Who’s done that?….certainly not myself I’ll repeat again the far right are vermin just as in a different type of way are the liberal left ( again I repeat NOT the left ) Thevoid of course. Has already managed to crowbar in both blaming the left for intolerance, and muslim terrorist atrocities (the market truck atrocity) into this thread! |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 31, 2022 8:59:16 GMT
I have been concerned about the far right in this country for some time now. I am also concerned about any act of terrorism. I fear that this is only just the beginning of what could turn into a blood bath in certain areas of this country. I am aware that this act of terrorism was completed by one person but fear it will not be the last. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong. If we all look closely at the poverty and overall standards of living that we currently have in the UK, you will notice that immigrants are very often blamed for the current economic climate. I have also noticed that conversations in the pub are now far less tolerant towards immigrants and what they are taking from the UK. The noise from the levels of injustice is increasing, so we all need to keep an eye on this. The sad thing is that this is always the case in times of hardship. And the hard of thinking always get led down the same path... 50 secs mark onwards if you can't be bothered to watch the whole thing. Ironically, on this very day... www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63446174 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 31, 2022 8:59:16 GMT
I’m always up for debate but there’s just not a comparison. As lordb says one kills, one throws paint. It’s not even close. And the fact this thread has been spun 180 into it’s the left and what about the Muslims is no shock and says an awful lot. Who’s done that?….certainly not myself I’ll repeat again the far right are vermin just as in a different type of way are the liberal left ( again I repeat NOT the left ) Well said. The biggest problem is the extremist views on both sides. Stirring the pot and creating division so that those left or right of them end up arguing because the agitators have wound things up. It’s easy to blame mainstream media but the biggest issue for me is social media. Twitter being the worst it’s poisonous. |
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Post by werrington on Oct 31, 2022 9:03:45 GMT
Who’s done that?….certainly not myself I’ll repeat again the far right are vermin just as in a different type of way are the liberal left ( again I repeat NOT the left ) Well said. The biggest problem is the extremist views on both sides. Stirring the pot and creating division so that those left or right of them end up arguing because the agitators have wound things up. It’s easy to blame mainstream media but the biggest issue for me is social media. Twitter being the worst it’s poisonous. Twitter is used for personal gain and not the actual truths Same as the news outlets, they give you the version of the news they want you to hear and not the actual news ….covid was a prime example |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 31, 2022 9:18:50 GMT
Well said. The biggest problem is the extremist views on both sides. Stirring the pot and creating division so that those left or right of them end up arguing because the agitators have wound things up. It’s easy to blame mainstream media but the biggest issue for me is social media. Twitter being the worst it’s poisonous. Twitter is used for personal gain and not the actual truths Same as the news outlets, they give you the version of the news they want you to hear and not the actual news ….covid was a prime example Indeed. In relation to covid i’ve still got no idea what’s going on as there were so many conflicting views that were “factual.” I always think in arguments like that the truth is somewhere in the middle. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 31, 2022 9:43:02 GMT
The last military security brief I attended said that the right wing terror threat was negligible. Ok so that was in 2018, so something may have changed in the four years hence. The terror threats that were highlighted were in the main extremist Islamic and dissident Irish republicans. It seems that extreme right wing terror incidents are growing in number on the continent too, where there is a tradition of extreme right politics, fascism etc in everyday politics in a way that is incomprehensible in this country. A military unit in Germany was disbanded due to right wing ideology permeating it, and the Reichstag was stormed by Far right extremists in 2021- is the UK becoming like this?
The murder of two British soldiers in Antrim in 2009 by an Irish terrorist were not regarded as acts of terror (for example), so perhaps we need the dust to settle a bit before we draw premature conclusions?
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Post by hoffgreen on Oct 31, 2022 10:27:25 GMT
After 60+ yrs of mass UNCONTROLLED immigration into this small island unfortunately this is/was all too predictable and will continue.
You don't need to be Einstein to figure that out.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 31, 2022 10:32:05 GMT
The last military security brief I attended said that the right wing terror threat was negligible. Ok so that was in 2018, so something may have changed in the four years hence. The terror threats that were highlighted were in the main extremist Islamic and dissident Irish republicans. It seems that extreme right wing terror incidents are growing in number on the continent too, where there is a tradition of extreme right politics, fascism etc in everyday politics in a way that is incomprehensible in this country. A military unit in Germany was disbanded due to right wing ideology permeating it, and the Reichstag was stormed by Far right extremists in 2021- is the UK becoming like this? The murder of two British soldiers in Antrim in 2009 by an Irish terrorist were not regarded as acts of terror (for example), so perhaps we need the dust to settle a bit before we draw premature conclusions? I think the toxic rhetoric floating around social media, through the media and even in Parliament has alot to answer for. Most people are decent and have no problem feeling compassion for others. The press are the main cause of division, left and right juxtaposed on every issue. Why can't we concentrate on what we have in common as humans rather than what minor differences we have. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 31, 2022 10:33:47 GMT
The last military security brief I attended said that the right wing terror threat was negligible. Ok so that was in 2018, so something may have changed in the four years hence. The terror threats that were highlighted were in the main extremist Islamic and dissident Irish republicans. It seems that extreme right wing terror incidents are growing in number on the continent too, where there is a tradition of extreme right politics, fascism etc in everyday politics in a way that is incomprehensible in this country. A military unit in Germany was disbanded due to right wing ideology permeating it, and the Reichstag was stormed by Far right extremists in 2021- is the UK becoming like this? The murder of two British soldiers in Antrim in 2009 by an Irish terrorist were not regarded as acts of terror (for example), so perhaps we need the dust to settle a bit before we draw premature conclusions? I think the toxic rhetoric floating around social media, through the media and even in Parliament has alot to answer for. Most people are decent and have no problem feeling compassion for others. The press are the main cause of division, left and right juxtaposed on every issue. Why can't we concentrate on what we have in common as humans rather than what minor differences we have. Well said. |
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Post by walstoke on Oct 31, 2022 10:41:27 GMT
I think the toxic rhetoric floating around social media, through the media and even in Parliament has alot to answer for. Most people are decent and have no problem feeling compassion for others. The press are the main cause of division, left and right juxtaposed on every issue. Why can't we concentrate on what we have in common as humans rather than what minor differences we have. Well said. I was reading on here a while back and someone was calling you a racist! You're one of the most ballanced moderate posters on here. I can't understand what's wrong with our country, why everything gets taken to extremes. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 31, 2022 10:55:38 GMT
These newspapers and their online hate-spreading equivalents have an awful lot to answer for.... That Telegraph headline is particularly fucking vile. |
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Post by knype on Oct 31, 2022 10:58:59 GMT
Clearly an individual with mental health issues. Or does that not apply this time? That’s the usual bullshit given for right wing terrorists yes. Bullshit |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 31, 2022 11:00:07 GMT
That’s the usual bullshit given for right wing terrorists yes. And also for people who drive trucks into Christmas shoppers What relevance does that have? |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 31, 2022 11:02:00 GMT
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Post by knype on Oct 31, 2022 11:02:42 GMT
Wikipedia  |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 31, 2022 11:06:50 GMT
The last military security brief I attended said that the right wing terror threat was negligible. Ok so that was in 2018, so something may have changed in the four years hence. The terror threats that were highlighted were in the main extremist Islamic and dissident Irish republicans. It seems that extreme right wing terror incidents are growing in number on the continent too, where there is a tradition of extreme right politics, fascism etc in everyday politics in a way that is incomprehensible in this country. A military unit in Germany was disbanded due to right wing ideology permeating it, and the Reichstag was stormed by Far right extremists in 2021- is the UK becoming like this? The murder of two British soldiers in Antrim in 2009 by an Irish terrorist were not regarded as acts of terror (for example), so perhaps we need the dust to settle a bit before we draw premature conclusions? What about the countless amount of innocent people called by the British state in Ireland over multiple decades? They don't get considered acts of terrorism either. Killing innocent people while wearing military uniform doesn't make it OK. Once you decide to put in the uniform and carry out acts on innocent people on behalf of the state, you're just a facilitator and enabler. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 31, 2022 11:12:42 GMT
When will the white community come out and denounce this act of terrorism? Are they doing enough to help eradicate what's going on right in front of their eyes?
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Post by Gawa on Oct 31, 2022 11:12:54 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 31, 2022 11:19:22 GMT
I was reading on here a while back and someone was calling you a racist! You're one of the most ballanced moderate posters on here. I can't understand what's wrong with our country, why everything gets taken to extremes. Cheers buddy. I’ve always thought that but clearly there’s plenty that don’t. To some I’m a cross between Putin, Hitler and Tommy Robinson. I’m sure that someone will accuse you of being a second account of cobhamstokey because no one could be that complimentary of my fascist, racist, far right posts  |
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Post by phileetin on Oct 31, 2022 11:30:20 GMT
41% of all arrests for terrorism last year were right wing terrorists. Which I don’t think would surprise anyone. Driven by ridiculous conspiracies and misinformation. There was a great programme on ITV recently about the plot to murder an MP from a Warrington pub and the nature of them. Believed in some mad conspiracies and then wanted to take that further. It’s an ever growing threat to this country. amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/16/terrorism-in-the-uk-the-rising-threat-of-far-right-extremists
I'm not very good at maths or wings but does that mean that 59% of all arrests for terrorism last year were left wing terrorists ?
what is left wing terrorism as opposed to right wing ?
is/was the knife killing of the conservative mp in his constituency office classed as left wing terrorism ?
sorry just seen gawa definitions
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Post by knype on Oct 31, 2022 11:35:25 GMT
When will the white community come out and denounce this act of terrorism? Are they doing enough to help eradicate what's going on right in front of their eyes? How do you know its political? |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 31, 2022 11:37:34 GMT
41% of all arrests for terrorism last year were right wing terrorists. Which I don’t think would surprise anyone. Driven by ridiculous conspiracies and misinformation. There was a great programme on ITV recently about the plot to murder an MP from a Warrington pub and the nature of them. Believed in some mad conspiracies and then wanted to take that further. It’s an ever growing threat to this country. amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/16/terrorism-in-the-uk-the-rising-threat-of-far-right-extremists
I'm not very good at maths or wings but does that mean that 59% of all arrests for terrorism last year were left wing terrorists ?
what is left wing terrorism as opposed to right wing ?
is/was the knife killing of the conservative mp in his constituency office classed as left wing terrorism ?
sorry just seen gawa definitions
I think they try to keep Islamic terrorists in their own separate group? But not sure. I wouldn't say they're left wing myself personally with a lot of their views being very far right. Woman's rights, gay rights, relegious rights etc.. And of course the authorative regimes they run too. Few on here have Alot more in common with Isis that they'd like to think. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 31, 2022 11:38:41 GMT
When will the white community come out and denounce this act of terrorism? Are they doing enough to help eradicate what's going on right in front of their eyes? How do you know its political? Where did I say it was political? A white man (it seems) committed an act of terrorism (it seems) so in the same way that a random brown faced Muslim is asked to denounce the actions of a brown faced Muslim terrorist, I feel it's only right that we as white people should come forward and say "not in our name" That's only fair surely? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 31, 2022 11:45:10 GMT
I just don't get where this hatred is coming from?  |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 31, 2022 11:46:04 GMT
Isn’t the biggest problem the stoking up of anger, whether it’s the right wing Mail, left wing Guardian or the extreme views of some on social media (from both sides).
If you have someone who’s easily coerced and has issues it doesn’t take long for someone to act beyond typing on the internet and act out what they believe to be justice.
Ultimately no one wins when these incidents happen other than those (on both sides) looking to use deaths / murder to push their political views even more.
The sad thing is 99 percent of people are pretty central just not in the 1 percents eyes.
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Post by musik on Oct 31, 2022 11:53:41 GMT
Isn't terrorism always a mental issue?
It doesn't mean absence of punishment.
Really sad story this!
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