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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2023 22:18:07 GMT
Funnily that was one of my catchphrases around 3 years ago. THREE FUCKING YEARS! Gone and never forgotten. I prefer to get my point across now with some avant-garde mime. Pictures or it never happened……..😉 |
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Post by elystokie on Jul 14, 2023 22:19:55 GMT
Funnily that was one of my catchphrases around 3 years ago. THREE FUCKING YEARS! Gone and never forgotten. Think yourself lucky, it used to be Death by Viewgraph before that 😕 |
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Post by Northy on Jul 15, 2023 7:06:21 GMT
Pollution is a problem. CO2 isn't. In climate con propaganda, billowing smoking chimneys are used to highlight CO2 emissions. CO2 is not a pollutant, is clear, odourless, and essential for all life on the planet. Both are a problem of some degree, I was highlighting the pollution, I didn't mention CO2 in that post ? |
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Post by Northy on Jul 15, 2023 7:08:33 GMT
My first and possibly last comment on this Fred Are these Activists still Dorks or now Realists in light of current Heatwaves in Europe and US or is the intensity and frequency of these Heatwaves something that we should have no concern for. You mean heatwaves in the middle of summer like they've had for thousands of years? Got to love how when it's a typically shit wet British summer, those in certain sections of the propaganda machine quickly divert attention to other parts of Europe in an attempt to scare Brits shitless. Thankfully most Brits are intelligent enough to continue enjoying their holidays, safe in the knowledge that it's always steaming in the Mediterranean in July - The very reason they've chosen to go on holiday. Fuck green dorks. A bunch of absolute dweebs who should be doing what ordinary teenagers and twenty somethings do - Stuff like travelling, playing sport, earning cash, drinking, fucking and having a good time. They are a noisy minority that most Brits despise and even the centre left (which is sadly the entirety of Parliament) are starting to distance themselves from - Probably recognising it isn't a vote winner. Did you forget June already, it was only just over 2 weeks ago, the hottest on record and the earliest on record of reaching 30'C ? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 15, 2023 8:17:25 GMT
CO2 does make the planet hotter. It is a 'greenhouse gas' which retains heat radiated from the earth in a way that oxygen and nitrogen does not. The more CO2 there is in the atmosphere the more heat is retained. That's what the school textbook says. There is currently 0.04% CO2. Most of which is naturally occurring, as only about 3-4% of this 0.04% comes from human sources. The planet's greenhouse gas is water vapour. This greenhouse effect is also crucial to life on earth. It's a scam, it's always been a scam. It was planned as a scam to restrict and enslave the masses. Controlled media machine has now gone into another gear. The big problem with your paranoid delusional world view isn't so much the fact that it's just a rehash of pretty much every dystopian sci fi novel written in the last hundred years but that you offer no solution to the problems you highlight. Even if you are right (you aren't - your entire belief system is founded on a bunch of charlatans and fuckwits armed with a video camera and a website) it would make more sense just to go along with the "lies" because all you offer people is a relentlessly depressing take on how the world works and offer no way of getting out of it or what an alternative might actually look like. You are basically the modern day equivalent of the bloke wandering around the town centre with a placard declaring the end of the world is nigh. For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you? My life is pretty good. If this is what being enslaved feels like then bring it on - it's way better than the relentlessly bleak and hopeless alternative take on reality that you want us to believe. You might be more enlightened than the rest of but I wouldn't swap my take on the world for yours because it's so shit only an idiot would think it was a good idea to take it on board even if it were true. Which it isn't. So please tell us what the solution looks like and how we bring it about because without some sort of alternative all you are selling is a shit sandwich in a wrapper that proudly declares it's 100% full of shit. |
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 15, 2023 8:30:47 GMT
That's what the school textbook says. There is currently 0.04% CO2. Most of which is naturally occurring, as only about 3-4% of this 0.04% comes from human sources. The planet's greenhouse gas is water vapour. This greenhouse effect is also crucial to life on earth. It's a scam, it's always been a scam. It was planned as a scam to restrict and enslave the masses. Controlled media machine has now gone into another gear. The big problem with your paranoid delusional world view isn't so much the fact that it's just a rehash of pretty much every dystopian sci fi novel written in the last hundred years but that you offer no solution to the problems you highlight. Even if you are right (you aren't - your entire belief system is founded on a bunch of charlatans and fuckwits armed with a video camera and a website) it would make more sense just to go along with the "lies" because all you offer people is a relentlessly depressing take on how the world works and offer no way of getting out of it or what an alternative might actually look like. You are basically the modern day equivalent of the bloke wandering around the town centre with a placard declaring the end of the world is nigh. For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you? My life is pretty good. If this is what being enslaved feels like then bring it on - it's way better than the relentlessly bleak and hopeless alternative take on reality that you want us to believe. You might be more enlightened than the rest of but I wouldn't swap my take on the world for yours because it's so shit only an idiot would think it was a good idea to take it on board even if it were true. Which it isn't. So please tell us what the solution looks like and how we bring it about because without some sort of alternative all you are selling is a shit sandwich in a wrapper that proudly declares it's 100% full of shit. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Davef on Jul 15, 2023 10:08:39 GMT
That's what the school textbook says. There is currently 0.04% CO2. Most of which is naturally occurring, as only about 3-4% of this 0.04% comes from human sources. The planet's greenhouse gas is water vapour. This greenhouse effect is also crucial to life on earth. It's a scam, it's always been a scam. It was planned as a scam to restrict and enslave the masses. Controlled media machine has now gone into another gear. The big problem with your paranoid delusional world view isn't so much the fact that it's just a rehash of pretty much every dystopian sci fi novel written in the last hundred years but that you offer no solution to the problems you highlight. Even if you are right (you aren't - your entire belief system is founded on a bunch of charlatans and fuckwits armed with a video camera and a website) it would make more sense just to go along with the "lies" because all you offer people is a relentlessly depressing take on how the world works and offer no way of getting out of it or what an alternative might actually look like. You are basically the modern day equivalent of the bloke wandering around the town centre with a placard declaring the end of the world is nigh. For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you? My life is pretty good. If this is what being enslaved feels like then bring it on - it's way better than the relentlessly bleak and hopeless alternative take on reality that you want us to believe. You might be more enlightened than the rest of but I wouldn't swap my take on the world for yours because it's so shit only an idiot would think it was a good idea to take it on board even if it were true. Which it isn't. So please tell us what the solution looks like and how we bring it about because without some sort of alternative all you are selling is a shit sandwich in a wrapper that proudly declares it's 100% full of shit. To be fair, you could probably aim a lot of that criticism at the eco-zealots currently bringing misery and inconvenience to many people. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 15, 2023 10:32:34 GMT
The big problem with your paranoid delusional world view isn't so much the fact that it's just a rehash of pretty much every dystopian sci fi novel written in the last hundred years but that you offer no solution to the problems you highlight. Even if you are right (you aren't - your entire belief system is founded on a bunch of charlatans and fuckwits armed with a video camera and a website) it would make more sense just to go along with the "lies" because all you offer people is a relentlessly depressing take on how the world works and offer no way of getting out of it or what an alternative might actually look like. You are basically the modern day equivalent of the bloke wandering around the town centre with a placard declaring the end of the world is nigh. For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you? My life is pretty good. If this is what being enslaved feels like then bring it on - it's way better than the relentlessly bleak and hopeless alternative take on reality that you want us to believe. You might be more enlightened than the rest of but I wouldn't swap my take on the world for yours because it's so shit only an idiot would think it was a good idea to take it on board even if it were true. Which it isn't. So please tell us what the solution looks like and how we bring it about because without some sort of alternative all you are selling is a shit sandwich in a wrapper that proudly declares it's 100% full of shit. To be fair, you could probably aim a lot of that criticism at the eco-zealots currently bringing misery and inconvenience to many people. Not really - in fact it's the exact opposite. They are actually doing something about what they perceive to be a problem and I respect them for having a go. Its the passive acceptance and lack of an alternative that pisses me off about the conspiracy theorists. When it comes to the climate crisis the irony is that the conspiracy theorists are happy to regurgitate propaganda put out by those with a vested interest in climate change denial - the oil industry - while arguing that those with nothing to gain are the ones making stuff up. |
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Post by Davef on Jul 15, 2023 10:41:05 GMT
To be fair, you could probably aim a lot of that criticism at the eco-zealots currently bringing misery and inconvenience to many people. Not really - in fact it's the exact opposite. They are actually doing something about what they perceive to a problem "For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you?" That doesn't sound like Greta Thunberg, Extinction Rebellion or Just Stop Oil? Okay then. |
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Post by superjw on Jul 15, 2023 11:22:34 GMT
For the last 800,000 years the range of CO2 gas been 170-300ppm. If CO2 lags heat, where is the temperature spike in the last 800 years that means CO2 is now at 420ppm? CO2 is now higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years so where is the unprecedented spike in heat that caused it? Deforestation and pollution of the seas. |
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Post by starkiller on Jul 15, 2023 11:22:48 GMT
That's what the school textbook says. There is currently 0.04% CO2. Most of which is naturally occurring, as only about 3-4% of this 0.04% comes from human sources. The planet's greenhouse gas is water vapour. This greenhouse effect is also crucial to life on earth. It's a scam, it's always been a scam. It was planned as a scam to restrict and enslave the masses. Controlled media machine has now gone into another gear. The big problem with your paranoid delusional world view isn't so much the fact that it's just a rehash of pretty much every dystopian sci fi novel written in the last hundred years but that you offer no solution to the problems you highlight. Even if you are right (you aren't - your entire belief system is founded on a bunch of charlatans and fuckwits armed with a video camera and a website) it would make more sense just to go along with the "lies" because all you offer people is a relentlessly depressing take on how the world works and offer no way of getting out of it or what an alternative might actually look like. You are basically the modern day equivalent of the bloke wandering around the town centre with a placard declaring the end of the world is nigh. For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you? My life is pretty good. If this is what being enslaved feels like then bring it on - it's way better than the relentlessly bleak and hopeless alternative take on reality that you want us to believe. You might be more enlightened than the rest of but I wouldn't swap my take on the world for yours because it's so shit only an idiot would think it was a good idea to take it on board even if it were true. Which it isn't. So please tell us what the solution looks like and how we bring it about because without some sort of alternative all you are selling is a shit sandwich in a wrapper that proudly declares it's 100% full of shit. I've never wanted you to believe anything particular. And I'm far from miserable. There is no climate catastrophe to worry about. Just another in a long list of false predictions of apocalyptic doom. So if it could be left this way with no authority expecting me to pay more or restrict life in some way, everything is good. |
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Post by superjw on Jul 15, 2023 11:23:59 GMT
Actually. Electricity is only a smallish part of a countries energy requirements so it’s not the whole story. But yeah renewables do and will provide a large part of the solution. Personally I'd build the turbines, solar panel mounts, batteries etc out of hemp and capture a load of C02 while making a superior, longer lasting product. But we'll probably carry on digging stuff up. Not sure how you can make batteries out of hemp? But anyway, our increasing reliance on batteries will eventually destroy more of the earth than we are trying to be kinder to. |
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Post by Davef on Jul 15, 2023 11:35:37 GMT
Talking of blokes walking around town centres with "The End Is Nigh" placards...
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Post by elystokie on Jul 15, 2023 12:07:04 GMT
Personally I'd build the turbines, solar panel mounts, batteries etc out of hemp and capture a load of C02 while making a superior, longer lasting product. But we'll probably carry on digging stuff up. Not sure how you can make batteries out of hemp? But anyway, our increasing reliance on batteries will eventually destroy more of the earth than we are trying to be kinder to. If we make them from hemp we can help the earth, it sequesters more CO2 than pretty much anything else, it grows nigh on anywhere, conditions poor or contaminated soil and needs a fraction of the water of cotton for example. It's also non psychoactive so drug warriors needn't be alarmed. www.ecowatch.com/battery-hemp-lithium-sulfur.html |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 15, 2023 12:16:04 GMT
Talking of blokes walking around town centres with "The End Is Nigh" placards... Climate lockdown psychos are out in force. How Trump was banned from twitter while genuinely dangerous, macabre individuals like this are given a platform is beyond me. What's worse is lockdown fanatics like Susan Michie (people have lad life sentences for doing less damage) were literally advising the UK government, cheering on oppression and misery. Hasn't she landed a job with the WHO now? |
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 15, 2023 12:23:38 GMT
Currently 77% of grid electricity coming from renewables. grid.iamkate.com/We should definitely slap another windfall tax on those greedy cunts supplying green energy. |
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Post by superjw on Jul 15, 2023 14:12:40 GMT
Currently 77% of grid electricity coming from renewables. grid.iamkate.com/We should definitely slap another windfall tax on those greedy cunts supplying green energy. Well, if it ever got that high consistently then a fair (cheaper) tariff for consumers would only be fair eh? |
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 15, 2023 14:54:14 GMT
Currently 77% of grid electricity coming from renewables. grid.iamkate.com/We should definitely slap another windfall tax on those greedy cunts supplying green energy. Well, if it ever got that high consistently then a fair (cheaper) tariff for consumers would only be fair eh? If the market says so. Yes. |
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Post by elystokie on Jul 15, 2023 15:00:13 GMT
Currently 77% of grid electricity coming from renewables. grid.iamkate.com/We should definitely slap another windfall tax on those greedy cunts supplying green energy. Well, if it ever got that high consistently then a fair (cheaper) tariff for consumers would only be fair eh? Indeed, until then it's surely sensible to reinvest any profits until we get as close to 100% as possible. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 15, 2023 15:10:17 GMT
Well, if it ever got that high consistently then a fair (cheaper) tariff for consumers would only be fair eh? Indeed, until then it's surely sensible to reinvest any profits until we get as close to 100% as possible. Indeed. There’s a storage issue to solve but lots of good projects in the pipe line and also increasing capacity for exports/imports to handle intermittency. |
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Post by Davef on Jul 15, 2023 15:44:54 GMT
Fucketh about, findeth out.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 16, 2023 11:21:16 GMT
The big problem with your paranoid delusional world view isn't so much the fact that it's just a rehash of pretty much every dystopian sci fi novel written in the last hundred years but that you offer no solution to the problems you highlight. Even if you are right (you aren't - your entire belief system is founded on a bunch of charlatans and fuckwits armed with a video camera and a website) it would make more sense just to go along with the "lies" because all you offer people is a relentlessly depressing take on how the world works and offer no way of getting out of it or what an alternative might actually look like. You are basically the modern day equivalent of the bloke wandering around the town centre with a placard declaring the end of the world is nigh. For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you? My life is pretty good. If this is what being enslaved feels like then bring it on - it's way better than the relentlessly bleak and hopeless alternative take on reality that you want us to believe. You might be more enlightened than the rest of but I wouldn't swap my take on the world for yours because it's so shit only an idiot would think it was a good idea to take it on board even if it were true. Which it isn't. So please tell us what the solution looks like and how we bring it about because without some sort of alternative all you are selling is a shit sandwich in a wrapper that proudly declares it's 100% full of shit. I've never wanted you to believe anything particular. And I'm far from miserable. There is no climate catastrophe to worry about. Just another in a long list of false predictions of apocalyptic doom. So if it could be left this way with no authority expecting me to pay more or restrict life in some way, everything is good. The thing is the majority of governments believe there is a climate catastrophe because, unlike you, they have chosen to taken on board the scientific evidence rather than suck up the claptrap on some random websites. Even those responsible for global warming, the fossil fuel industry, know full well that they are causing it and are diversifying while at the same time holding back progress to maximise profits. The thing is if you do nothing you will either frazzle with the rest of us or have to suck up the behavioural changes governments will have to impose to stop it happening. Fortunately those changes will happen (probably way too late to save millions of lives) so your leave me alone stance isn't going to pan out. If you don't want the "conspirators" to get away with it you are going to have to do something. So what are you going to do? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 16, 2023 11:26:50 GMT
Not really - in fact it's the exact opposite. They are actually doing something about what they perceive to a problem "For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you?" That doesn't sound like Greta Thunberg, Extinction Rebellion or Just Stop Oil? Okay then. It sounds nothing like Great Thornburg, Extinction Rebellion or Just Stop Oil. They have taken the science seriously, taken on board the consequences (which are dire) and are doing something about. The climate deniers conveniently ignore the science, moan their bag off about some dastardly plot to control their lives and do fuck all about the global elites who apparently are hellbent on controlling them. The former are doing stuff, the latter just can't be arsed. |
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Post by Davef on Jul 16, 2023 11:35:32 GMT
"For once in your godforsaken miserable life can you offer some sort of beacon of light to guide us out of your relentlessly depressing version of reality? Or are you just happy wallowing in misery and hellbent on getting others to join you in your passive acceptance of a world over which you have no control and for no good reason is designed to enslave you?" That doesn't sound like Greta Thunberg, Extinction Rebellion or Just Stop Oil? Okay then. It sounds nothing like Great Thornburg, Extinction Rebellion or Just Stop Oil. They have taken the science seriously, taken on board the consequences (which are dire) and are doing something about. The climate deniers conveniently ignore the science, moan their bag off about some dastardly plot to control their lives and do fuck all about the global elites who apparently are hellbent on controlling them. The former are doing stuff, the latter just can't be arsed. "The" Science. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 16, 2023 12:03:31 GMT
It sounds nothing like Great Thornburg, Extinction Rebellion or Just Stop Oil. They have taken the science seriously, taken on board the consequences (which are dire) and are doing something about. The climate deniers conveniently ignore the science, moan their bag off about some dastardly plot to control their lives and do fuck all about the global elites who apparently are hellbent on controlling them. The former are doing stuff, the latter just can't be arsed. "The" Science. "The Science" is the scientific consensus (ie the median position of all credible research in the subject). "The Science" never means that there is a single opinion shared by every credible scientist. There are some credible scientists who have done valid research to question man made global warming along with 100s of frauds and charlatans peddling theories that have no scientific credibility whatsoever. The median position of the scientific community is that man made global warming is a thing - and we are talking way over 90% agreement. It's easy to pick out individual studies and individual scientists and claim there isn't a consensus and the scientific position is unresolved. In fact that's what people who don't want climate change to be true do all the time - they dig around for some outlier research and then claim there isn't a scientific consensus and that it's all up for grabs and people can chose to believe what they want to believe. Of course that's bollocks - the weight of scientific evidence for man made global warming is massively weighted in favour of it being real. That is a fact, not an opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 14:29:54 GMT
The thing is that had we actually Insulated Britain when Insulate Britain were saying "Insulate Britain", it would have cost a lot less than the government spent freezing the price cap. Yay capitalism.
Given the devastating impact that the gas price has had on the British economy over the past 18 months, we clearly need a dramatically higher amount of renewables in the energy mix. Only an idiot would argue otherwise.
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Post by superjw on Jul 16, 2023 19:26:14 GMT
The thing is that had we actually Insulated Britain when Insulate Britain were saying "Insulate Britain", it would have cost a lot less than the government spent freezing the price cap. Yay capitalism. Given the devastating impact that the gas price has had on the British economy over the past 18 months, we clearly need a dramatically higher amount of renewables in the energy mix. Only an idiot would argue otherwise. We do I agree, but even with the current percentage of renewables in the energy mix, none of the savings are passed onto the consumer. Unless you have private solar panels etc, we all pay the same tariff structure. It’s unfair and needs reform, frankly the entire energy market does |
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Post by Northy on Jul 16, 2023 19:27:25 GMT
It sounds nothing like Great Thornburg, Extinction Rebellion or Just Stop Oil. They have taken the science seriously, taken on board the consequences (which are dire) and are doing something about. The climate deniers conveniently ignore the science, moan their bag off about some dastardly plot to control their lives and do fuck all about the global elites who apparently are hellbent on controlling them. The former are doing stuff, the latter just can't be arsed. "The" Science. Seriously? You find one obscure extremist and call that science? The science is the many many years of studies and reports on it, any sensible person would understand that. |
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Post by Davef on Jul 16, 2023 21:43:15 GMT
Seriously? You find one obscure extremist and call that science? The science is the many many years of studies and reports on it, any sensible person would understand that. *The* science is a phenomenon which started some time around 2020 and dismisses alternative studies, reports and skepticism, leading to perfectly eminent people in their fields being ridiculed, censured and cancelled while lunatics like the idiot in the tweet above are given free reign to spout garbage like that. |
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Post by Gawa on Jul 16, 2023 22:30:54 GMT
I'm waiting for the day thar just stop oil come to an 11th july bonfire. Good luck to them lol
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