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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 31, 2023 19:47:48 GMT
Trouble is gawa, and you already I suspect know this, BP, Shell etc. can't stop doing what they do, protests directed at them won't effect them one bit. They just need to generate shareholder value. They've been cnuts for years and everyone already knows that. They've sponsored wars via Western government lobbying, they've hired local militias to fight guerilla wars in Nigeria and sub sarahan Africa. Theyve got succesive UK and US governments to supply arms to despicable regimes. They spend about $500million dollars a year supporting climate denial science. Sitting in their car park does fuck all. The only target that makes any sense is to gatecrash the news agenda. I think they could target better to gain more public support but attacking mega oil does fuck all. But what does gate crashing the news achieve? Publicity yes. But climate change is already pretty well documented now. And we also have to remember that alot of the publicity about these protests ends up being bad publicity. I doubt most of the people here moaning about them have ever encountered them in their day to day life. They know about it because the likes of the daily mail report on it and change the narrative to fit the image they wish to portray. I just think it's maybe beginning to run it's course and is becoming counter productive. The main people being inconvenienced by this are Joe public. It needs to be more targeted in my opinion: - Block of an entrance to a petrol station. - Block in oil tankers. - Do demonstrations like led by donkeys with huge screens hired out to educate. - Target private helicopter/aircraft fields - Do your road protests in affluent wealthy areas were oil execs may live and inconvenience them. - Target their digital online presence - Target marinas and block of yachts and boats from going in and out. - and probably many other things too I don’t think blocking an entrance to a petrol station would get much sympathy
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2023 19:56:08 GMT
I am amazed that people actually believe the thing they are protesting isn't a worthy cause. To be clear, what they are protesting should unite literally everyone. Global ecological systems are merely years away from collapsing and huge parts of the planet will be uninhabitable. You worry about migration now, wait until half the world is uninhabitable, either due to rising sea levels or the fact that various parts of the third world will be so dangerous that no human can realistically expect to live there. Trust me, those currently scranning in the Quality Hotel will be the least of your worries. It's hard to support the tactics of Just Stop Oil and Insulate Britain because they hurt ordinary working people during most of their protests. However their message is a positive one and we should really be supporting them. However, shitting on the rugby final? Snooker? Football matches? Chelsea flower show? Outside parliament (hopefully one day)? Crack on. This kind of protest hurts nobody and hopefully keeps a level of momentum up that will get them noticed. I think if people want to protest about something they believe in then that’s fine, even if they are self entitled dorks! But if they feel so strongly about it they should be attacking the very companies/politicians they have beef with. They say it’s exposure and bringing the issue to the public but it really isn’t. People have their own minds and won’t stand for disruption much longer. I do actually believe that much of the protests are about bandwagon jumping because they’ve got fuck all else to do though. Generally made up of students and retirees (that word looks wrong but I’ll go with it). As the country is today we need unity and not division. United in what though? Cracking on with the status quo? We're literally fucking the planet in every hole imaginable. Fanny, arse and a bollock in each nostril. We have created a society that believes in throwing away perfectly good items instead of using them to the end of their actual lifespan. All of these items, whether it be cheap toys which are kept for only a few months before ending in the bin or cheap clothes which are worn a few times before ending up thrown out or even mobile phones which are now basically designed to expire/be replaced after 2 years. Y'know you've probably not actually required a new mobile for 5 years right? Processing power in current flagship mobile phones absolutely destroys that of those from a few years ago but most Quad/Octa Core phones manufactured after about 2015 have enough RAM + CPU processing power to comfortably run the latest versions of Android and the same would be true for iOS. The Samsung Galaxy S7 which is still a popular device in the Android hacking community (and one I used until 18 months ago when it was dropped) runs the latest version like butter. That's a 64bit device running the latest version of Android. That means it'll run every app that the brand spanking new ones run, without a problem whatsoever. This is madness. We have convinced ourselves as a society that we need a new phone every two years and I suspect in 98% of cases, we probably need a new phone in 5 years or even longer than that. What about cars? The environmental cost of manufacturing a new car is absolutely enormous. Astronomical. Not only is the initial manufacturing process a huge carbon footprint, but then you have the lifetime of the car itself and the subsequent disposal at the end of its life. No mathematician on the planet with the exception of those working at the prestigious Henry Ford academy will be able to come up with numbers that demonstrate that manufacturing new vehicles is actually better than keeping (decent fuel-efficient fuel-injected) older vehicles on the road. So what did we do as a society? Scrappage schemes which turned turned thousands of perfectly good cars into cubes. Incentivized writing off cars for nothing more than a light scratch. Used the car industry as a thin stick to prop up the GDP year-on-year. And then we wonder why the planet is fucked? This is the worst kind of capitalism. Commercialism clouding common sense and arrogance as a personal value. I appreciate that this isn't the message Just Stop Oil is trying to deliver but it should be folded into a larger movement that needs to gain traction and accepted as a larger signal that we need to change as society. We can't keep going the way we are. But we will and then one day, it'll be too late.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 31, 2023 20:01:36 GMT
I think if people want to protest about something they believe in then that’s fine, even if they are self entitled dorks! But if they feel so strongly about it they should be attacking the very companies/politicians they have beef with. They say it’s exposure and bringing the issue to the public but it really isn’t. People have their own minds and won’t stand for disruption much longer. I do actually believe that much of the protests are about bandwagon jumping because they’ve got fuck all else to do though. Generally made up of students and retirees (that word looks wrong but I’ll go with it). As the country is today we need unity and not division. United in what though? Cracking on with the status quo? We're literally fucking the planet in every hole imaginable. Fanny, arse and a bollock in each nostril. We have created a society that believes in throwing away perfectly good items instead of using them to the end of their actual lifespan. All of these items, whether it be cheap toys which are kept for only a few months before ending in the bin or cheap clothes which are worn a few times before ending up thrown out or even mobile phones which are now basically designed to expire/be replaced after 2 years. Y'know you've probably not actually required a new mobile for 5 years right? Processing power in current flagship mobile phones absolutely destroys that of those from a few years ago but most Quad/Octa Core phones manufactured after about 2015 have enough RAM + CPU processing power to comfortably run the latest versions of Android and the same would be true for iOS. The Samsung Galaxy S7 which is still a popular device in the Android hacking community (and one I used until 18 months ago when it was dropped) runs the latest version like butter. That's a 64bit device running the latest version of Android. That means it'll run every app that the brand spanking new ones run, without a problem whatsoever. This is madness. We have convinced ourselves as a society that we need a new phone every two years and I suspect in 98% of cases, we probably need a new phone in 5 years or even longer than that. What about cars? The environmental cost of manufacturing a new car is absolutely enormous. Astronomical. Not only is the initial manufacturing process a huge carbon footprint, but then you have the lifetime of the car itself and the subsequent disposal at the end of its life. No mathematician on the planet with the exception of those working at the prestigious Henry Ford academy will be able to come up with numbers that demonstrate that manufacturing new vehicles is actually better than keeping (decent fuel-efficient fuel-injected) older vehicles on the road. So what did we do as a society? Scrappage schemes which took turned thousands of perfectly good cars into cubes. Incentivized writing off cars for nothing more than a light scratch. Used the car industry as a thin stick to prop up the GDP year-on-year. And then we wonder why the planet is fucked? This is the worst kind of capitalism. Commercialism clouding common sense and arrogance as a personal value. I appreciate that this isn't the message Just Stop Oil is trying to deliver but it should be folded into a larger movement that needs to gain traction and accepted as a larger signal that we need to change as society. We can't keep going the way we are. But we will and then one day, it'll be too late. I’ll read the rest of the post later but I’ve had my mobile for 6 years and I still have every phone I’ve every owned. Makes a lovely collage 😉
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2023 20:15:20 GMT
But what does gate crashing the news achieve? Publicity yes. But climate change is already pretty well documented now. And we also have to remember that alot of the publicity about these protests ends up being bad publicity. I doubt most of the people here moaning about them have ever encountered them in their day to day life. They know about it because the likes of the daily mail report on it and change the narrative to fit the image they wish to portray. I just think it's maybe beginning to run it's course and is becoming counter productive. The main people being inconvenienced by this are Joe public. It needs to be more targeted in my opinion: - Block of an entrance to a petrol station. - Block in oil tankers. - Do demonstrations like led by donkeys with huge screens hired out to educate. - Target private helicopter/aircraft fields - Do your road protests in affluent wealthy areas were oil execs may live and inconvenience them. - Target their digital online presence - Target marinas and block of yachts and boats from going in and out. - and probably many other things too I don’t think blocking an entrance to a petrol station would get much sympathy 🤣 I have about 6 petrol stations within a mile of my house. So my thinking was that I'd just drive to the next one, they can't all be blocked lol. Bit different if its in the middle of the countryside and your petrol lights on 🤣.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 31, 2023 21:37:10 GMT
United in what though? Cracking on with the status quo? We're literally fucking the planet in every hole imaginable. Fanny, arse and a bollock in each nostril. We have created a society that believes in throwing away perfectly good items instead of using them to the end of their actual lifespan. All of these items, whether it be cheap toys which are kept for only a few months before ending in the bin or cheap clothes which are worn a few times before ending up thrown out or even mobile phones which are now basically designed to expire/be replaced after 2 years. Y'know you've probably not actually required a new mobile for 5 years right? Processing power in current flagship mobile phones absolutely destroys that of those from a few years ago but most Quad/Octa Core phones manufactured after about 2015 have enough RAM + CPU processing power to comfortably run the latest versions of Android and the same would be true for iOS. The Samsung Galaxy S7 which is still a popular device in the Android hacking community (and one I used until 18 months ago when it was dropped) runs the latest version like butter. That's a 64bit device running the latest version of Android. That means it'll run every app that the brand spanking new ones run, without a problem whatsoever. This is madness. We have convinced ourselves as a society that we need a new phone every two years and I suspect in 98% of cases, we probably need a new phone in 5 years or even longer than that. What about cars? The environmental cost of manufacturing a new car is absolutely enormous. Astronomical. Not only is the initial manufacturing process a huge carbon footprint, but then you have the lifetime of the car itself and the subsequent disposal at the end of its life. No mathematician on the planet with the exception of those working at the prestigious Henry Ford academy will be able to come up with numbers that demonstrate that manufacturing new vehicles is actually better than keeping (decent fuel-efficient fuel-injected) older vehicles on the road. So what did we do as a society? Scrappage schemes which took turned thousands of perfectly good cars into cubes. Incentivized writing off cars for nothing more than a light scratch. Used the car industry as a thin stick to prop up the GDP year-on-year. And then we wonder why the planet is fucked? This is the worst kind of capitalism. Commercialism clouding common sense and arrogance as a personal value. I appreciate that this isn't the message Just Stop Oil is trying to deliver but it should be folded into a larger movement that needs to gain traction and accepted as a larger signal that we need to change as society. We can't keep going the way we are. But we will and then one day, it'll be too late. I’ll read the rest of the post later but I’ve had my mobile for 6 years and I still have every phone I’ve every owned. Makes a lovely collage 😉 Own up, are you a badger or a womble?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 31, 2023 21:41:46 GMT
I’ll read the rest of the post later but I’ve had my mobile for 6 years and I still have every phone I’ve every owned. Makes a lovely collage 😉 Own up, are you a badger or a womble? 🤣 bang to rights!
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2023 21:46:16 GMT
I’ll read the rest of the post later but I’ve had my mobile for 6 years and I still have every phone I’ve every owned. Makes a lovely collage 😉 Own up, are you a badger or a womble? On Hartshill?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 31, 2023 21:57:37 GMT
Mick, we witnessed probably the biggest meltdown in oatcake history when you launched all out assault on the Covid thread. I refuse to accept you could be that angry in real life. That said, after that outburst I was somewhat more concerned with your wellbeing at the time than the bile you had posted. You were quite literally "screaming". Anyway, I trust you're feeling better these days 🤗 I'm sorry, which outburst? Or is this you slinging things around at completely the wrong posters (yet again) because, as mentioned, you have absolutely nothing else in that wilted brain of yours? Weird how you seem to be about the only poster on this board who regularly tells people what they said in the past yet never, ever back it up with any quotes at all to prove your point , you just hope everyone will believe you. Proving both of my points there: Can't counter so gets personal - Check Brings COVID into it for no reason - Check The only person you're convincing that you have any intelligence whatsoever is yourself mate, everyone else can see how you solely 100% rely on other people to come up with ideas for you so you can just trot them out parrot fashion, whilst ironically calling everyone else sheeple. Embarrassing. Just catching up on the Mick Mills abuse fest. I'll leave it at this because you'll end up injuring yourself or someone else if you get any more worked up. But just for clarity, this particular point around abuse made me smile. "Can't counter so gets personal". He says after literally posting about 20 consecutive "personal" insults. Which is absolutely fine but can you not see the funny side of that comment? Oh, and your other point - "brings covid into it for no reason". Look at your initial post on this thread... Sorry, who brought covid into it for no reason?🙏 Astounding levels of hypocrisy as ever from Mental Mick. Time to climb down from that high horse Mick, it doesn't suit you bud.🐴😂
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2023 22:17:15 GMT
I'm sorry, which outburst? Or is this you slinging things around at completely the wrong posters (yet again) because, as mentioned, you have absolutely nothing else in that wilted brain of yours? Weird how you seem to be about the only poster on this board who regularly tells people what they said in the past yet never, ever back it up with any quotes at all to prove your point , you just hope everyone will believe you. Proving both of my points there: Can't counter so gets personal - Check Brings COVID into it for no reason - Check The only person you're convincing that you have any intelligence whatsoever is yourself mate, everyone else can see how you solely 100% rely on other people to come up with ideas for you so you can just trot them out parrot fashion, whilst ironically calling everyone else sheeple. Embarrassing. Just catching up on the Mick Mills abuse fest. I'll leave it at this because you'll end up injuring yourself or someone else if you get any more worked up. But just for clarity, this particular point around abuse made me smile. "Can't counter so gets personal". He says after literally posting about 20 consecutive "personal" insults. Which is absolutely fine but can you not see the funny side of that comment? Oh, and your other point - "brings covid into it for no reason". Look at your initial post on this thread... Sorry, who brought covid into it for no reason?🙏 Astounding levels of hypocrisy as ever from Mental Mick. Time to climb down from that high horse Mick, it doesn't suit you bud.🐴😂 I'm curious if my post above makes me one of the dorks? The one which is almost impossible to debunk.... Because it's based on science. If so, no mither. I'm already preparing to tell my little girl one day that I tried my best... while symbolically apologising for the fuck ups of my peers.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 31, 2023 22:24:21 GMT
Just catching up on the Mick Mills abuse fest. I'll leave it at this because you'll end up injuring yourself or someone else if you get any more worked up. But just for clarity, this particular point around abuse made me smile. "Can't counter so gets personal". He says after literally posting about 20 consecutive "personal" insults. Which is absolutely fine but can you not see the funny side of that comment? Oh, and your other point - "brings covid into it for no reason". Look at your initial post on this thread... Sorry, who brought covid into it for no reason?🙏 Astounding levels of hypocrisy as ever from Mental Mick. Time to climb down from that high horse Mick, it doesn't suit you bud.🐴😂 I'm curious if my post above makes me one of the dorks? The one which is almost impossible to debunk.... Because it's based on science. If so, no mither. I'm already preparing to tell my little girl one day that I tried my best... while symbolically apologising for the fuck ups of my peers. I mean it's a pretty apocalyptic and overly dramatic summary of earth in 2023 don't you think? When you say "I tried my best", what do you mean? Presumably you've ditched your phone, car, laptop and central heating? The world isn't ending, you'll be fine.
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Post by yeswilko on May 31, 2023 22:28:55 GMT
Just catching up on the Mick Mills abuse fest. I'll leave it at this because you'll end up injuring yourself or someone else if you get any more worked up. But just for clarity, this particular point around abuse made me smile. "Can't counter so gets personal". He says after literally posting about 20 consecutive "personal" insults. Which is absolutely fine but can you not see the funny side of that comment? Oh, and your other point - "brings covid into it for no reason". Look at your initial post on this thread... Sorry, who brought covid into it for no reason?🙏 Astounding levels of hypocrisy as ever from Mental Mick. Time to climb down from that high horse Mick, it doesn't suit you bud.🐴😂 I'm curious if my post above makes me one of the dorks? The one which is almost impossible to debunk.... Because it's based on science. If so, no mither. I'm already preparing to tell my little girl one day that I tried my best... while symbolically apologising for the fuck ups of my peers. It seems to me that quite often the same people that complain about immigration also dismiss severe climate change impact, but Imagine the immigration situation if/when whole cities, or large parts of countries become uninhabitable.
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2023 22:43:39 GMT
I'm curious if my post above makes me one of the dorks? The one which is almost impossible to debunk.... Because it's based on science. If so, no mither. I'm already preparing to tell my little girl one day that I tried my best... while symbolically apologising for the fuck ups of my peers. I mean it's a pretty apocalyptic and overly dramatic summary of earth in 2023 don't you think? When you say "I tried my best", what do you mean? Presumably you've ditched your phone, car, laptop and central heating? The world isn't ending, you'll be fine. Ahhh nice try. Really good effort to debunk my points. Sorry, no... It's piss poor. Let's rewind: My post stated that as a society we throw away perfectly functioning items, e.g. phones, cars, products because of our lust to own something new. Apple release a new phone... The iPhone users jump to buy it... Despite the fact their iPhone 3 years ago had plenty enough capacity to run said software. So that strawman in you is still strong clearly. No I've not ditched my phone. However I don't change my phone until it dies. The S7 was 6 years old, I think. No, I haven't ditched my 07 Jetta, although I do own a Lupo GTi as a backup so hey ho, naughty me eh? Debunk my points. What makes my post apocalyptic? When global systems finally collapse, there are countries that will become dangerous to live in. This isn't some bullshit I've made up, literally every scientist in the world with the exception of those wanking off Donald Trump, is in agreement. We are at tipping point. Once the various global systems finally fall over, some parts of the world will experience extreme flooding (expected 2050), other parts will become dangerously uninhabitable (predicted between 2030-2050) causing mass migration. You don't have to be an eco twat. You just have to do a bit more. Think about the impact your day to day choices have on the world. Do you need a new car every 4 years or are you just trying to impress the neighbours?
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2023 22:44:22 GMT
I'm curious if my post above makes me one of the dorks? The one which is almost impossible to debunk.... Because it's based on science. If so, no mither. I'm already preparing to tell my little girl one day that I tried my best... while symbolically apologising for the fuck ups of my peers. It seems to me that quite often the same people that complain about immigration also dismiss severe climate change impact, but Imagine the immigration situation if/when whole cities, or large parts of countries become uninhabitable. It'll absolutely swamp the numbers we're seeing right now.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 31, 2023 22:58:15 GMT
I mean it's a pretty apocalyptic and overly dramatic summary of earth in 2023 don't you think? When you say "I tried my best", what do you mean? Presumably you've ditched your phone, car, laptop and central heating? The world isn't ending, you'll be fine. Ahhh nice try. Really good effort to debunk my points. Sorry, no... It's piss poor. Let's rewind: My post stated that as a society we throw away perfectly functioning items, e.g. phones, cars, products because of our lust to own something new. Apple release a new phone... The iPhone users jump to buy it... Despite the fact their iPhone 3 years ago had plenty enough capacity to run said software. So that strawman in you is still strong clearly. No I've not ditched my phone. However I don't change my phone until it dies. The S7 was 6 years old, I think. No, I haven't ditched my 07 Jetta, although I do own a Lupo GTi as a backup so hey ho, naughty me eh? Debunk my points. What makes my post apocalyptic? When global systems finally collapse, there are countries that will become dangerous to live in. This isn't some bullshit I've made up, literally every scientist in the world with the exception of those wanking off Donald Trump, is in agreement. We are at tipping point. Once the various global systems finally fall over, some parts of the world will experience extreme flooding (expected 2050), other parts will become dangerously uninhabitable (predicted between 2030-2050) causing mass migration. You don't have to be an eco twat. You just have to do a bit more. Think about the impact your day to day choices have on the world. Do you need a new car every 4 years or are you just trying to impress the neighbours? Well firstly, most ordinary Brits don't change their car or phone every four years do they? So when you say "the global systems will collapse by 2030", what exactly do you mean by "global systems"? Seems a vague description. Do you not think that sounds fairly apocalyptic? I don't disagree that society is wasteful. Unfortunately that will never change. I would have thought those who felt so passionately about climate change would ditch their cars and other forms of technology such as their iPhone as a first port of call. But then you find out Greta's army of supporters, extinction rebellion and Just Stop Oil protestors have cars, post on twitter and Instagram relentlessly using their latest iPhones and laptops, come from money (products of capitalism) and you have to start to wonder - This doesn't make sense, does it? It's hypocrisy of the highest order. I'm not sure how anyone could watch that sickening clip of the scaffolder going out to earn a living and then being arrested for daring to approach those who were stopping him going to work and think - "that's OK".
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2023 23:23:08 GMT
Well firstly, most ordinary Brits don't change their car or phone every four years do they? So when you say "the global systems will collapse by 2030", what exactly do you mean by "global systems"? Seems a vague description. Do you not think that sounds fairly apocalyptic? I don't disagree that society is wasteful. Unfortunately that will never change. I would have thought those who felt so passionately about climate change would ditch their cars and other forms of technology such as their iPhone as a first port of call. But then you find out Greta's army of supporters, extinction rebellion and Just Stop Oil protestors have cars, post on twitter and Instagram relentlessly using their latest iPhones and laptops, come from money (products of capitalism) and you have to start to wonder - This doesn't make sense, does it? It's hypocrisy of the highest order. I'm not sure how anyone could watch that sickening clip of the scaffolder going out to earn a living and then being arrested for daring to approach those who were stopping him going to work and think - "that's OK". Errr..... Not sure where you've been for past few years but yes, that's the current modus operandi. Take a car out on a finance deal, trade in a few years later... Rinse, repeat. Come on? You need me to explain what I mean when I say global systems? I really aren't going to sit here explaining this on a phone when you can easily Google it letmegooglethat.com/?q=global+ecosystems. These are being absolutely trashed by our current carbon footprint and while we aren't necessarily experiencing any ill-effects, countries like Bangladesh are currently going through the absolute worst of it. What you think is a post-apocalyptic joke, is their current lived experience. Why can't society change? You know, in Denmark, to buy a new car they are taxed a ridiculous amount based on a progressive taxation whereby even cheap cars are significantly pricier to buy over the RRP and expensive cars are ludicrously expensive (previously up to 180%, now 150%). What does that mean? They're mostly driving second hand cars right until they need something to replace it. Nobody feels ashamed of their 'banger'. They've just accepted that it's a financially sensible decision to keep their old car running. What shocked me from my time working there is how proud most Danish are of said policy, whereas over here, we feel embarrassed and buy brand new cars for a multitude of bullshit reasons. I don't align with Just Stop Oil. You can throw whatever insults at them that you want. I really don't care. However their message is a sound one, even if they don't stand by the philosophy.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 31, 2023 23:40:24 GMT
Well firstly, most ordinary Brits don't change their car or phone every four years do they? So when you say "the global systems will collapse by 2030", what exactly do you mean by "global systems"? Seems a vague description. Do you not think that sounds fairly apocalyptic? I don't disagree that society is wasteful. Unfortunately that will never change. I would have thought those who felt so passionately about climate change would ditch their cars and other forms of technology such as their iPhone as a first port of call. But then you find out Greta's army of supporters, extinction rebellion and Just Stop Oil protestors have cars, post on twitter and Instagram relentlessly using their latest iPhones and laptops, come from money (products of capitalism) and you have to start to wonder - This doesn't make sense, does it? It's hypocrisy of the highest order. I'm not sure how anyone could watch that sickening clip of the scaffolder going out to earn a living and then being arrested for daring to approach those who were stopping him going to work and think - "that's OK". Errr..... Not sure where you've been for past few years but yes, that's the current modus operandi. Take a car out on a finance deal, trade in a few years later... Rinse, repeat. Come on? You need me to explain what I mean when I say global systems? I really aren't going to sit here explaining this on a phone when you can easily Google it letmegooglethat.com/?q=global+ecosystems. These are being absolutely trashed by our current carbon footprint and while we aren't necessarily experiencing any ill-effects, countries like Bangladesh are currently going through the absolute worst of it. What you think is a post-apocalyptic joke, is their current lived experience. Why can't society change? You know, in Denmark, to buy a new car they are taxed a ridiculous amount based on a progressive taxation whereby even cheap cars are significantly pricier to buy over the RRP and expensive cars are ludicrously expensive (previously up to 180%, now 150%). What does that mean? They're mostly driving second hand cars right until they need something to replace it. Nobody feels ashamed of their 'banger'. They've just accepted that it's a financially sensible decision to keep their old car running. What shocked me from my time working there is how proud most Danish are of said policy, whereas over here, we feel embarrassed and buy brand new cars for a multitude of bullshit reasons. I don't align with Just Stop Oil. You can throw whatever insults at them that you want. I really don't care. However their message is a sound one, even if they don't stand by the philosophy. Fair enough metalhead. I do think you're a way off with your predictions and I have zero doubt that in 2030 we will be absolutely fine. I happen to have spent a lot of time in the Subcontinent and while not Bangladesh per se, the West Bengal region of India. I can't say I ever came across the people voicing their concerns over "global systems". Much of the population lives in misery and abject poverty and indeed experiences adverse weather conditions - In much the same way they have for hundreds, if not thousands of years in that part of the world. That is not new. Re the car leasing every 4 years, I'm familiar with the model as I use it but I'm pretty sure the majority of the British adult population doesn't. Maybe I'm wrong and most Brits do have a new car every four years. At least we broadly agree on wastage and just stop oil being shit. We'll have to disagree on the other bits but it's good to see someone challenge the thread title in a polite manner.👍
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2023 23:50:00 GMT
Errr..... Not sure where you've been for past few years but yes, that's the current modus operandi. Take a car out on a finance deal, trade in a few years later... Rinse, repeat. Come on? You need me to explain what I mean when I say global systems? I really aren't going to sit here explaining this on a phone when you can easily Google it letmegooglethat.com/?q=global+ecosystems. These are being absolutely trashed by our current carbon footprint and while we aren't necessarily experiencing any ill-effects, countries like Bangladesh are currently going through the absolute worst of it. What you think is a post-apocalyptic joke, is their current lived experience. Why can't society change? You know, in Denmark, to buy a new car they are taxed a ridiculous amount based on a progressive taxation whereby even cheap cars are significantly pricier to buy over the RRP and expensive cars are ludicrously expensive (previously up to 180%, now 150%). What does that mean? They're mostly driving second hand cars right until they need something to replace it. Nobody feels ashamed of their 'banger'. They've just accepted that it's a financially sensible decision to keep their old car running. What shocked me from my time working there is how proud most Danish are of said policy, whereas over here, we feel embarrassed and buy brand new cars for a multitude of bullshit reasons. I don't align with Just Stop Oil. You can throw whatever insults at them that you want. I really don't care. However their message is a sound one, even if they don't stand by the philosophy. Fair enough metalhead. I do think you're a way off with your predictions and I have zero doubt that in 2030 we will be absolutely fine. I happen to have spent a lot of time in the Subcontinent and while not Bangladesh per se, the West Bengal region of India. I can't say I ever came across the people voicing their concerns over "global systems". Much of the population lives in misery and abject poverty and indeed experiences adverse weather conditions - In much the same way they have for hundreds, if not thousands of years in that part of the world. That is not new. Re the car leasing every 4 years, I'm familiar with the model as I use it but I'm pretty sure the majority of the British adult population doesn't. Maybe I'm wrong and most Brits do have a new car every four years. At least we broadly agree on wastage and just stop oil being shit. We'll have to disagree on the other bits but it's good to see someone challenge the thread title in a polite manner.👍 I have no objection to Just Stop Oil shitting on big events like the snooker, flower show and rugby. To me, that's high quality protesting. Making yourself known. I was astounded that it was the Rugby incident that caused yet another backlash against Keir... And not the months of misery they've caused for working people. Ultimately, you can't shit on people trying to get to work. You just can't. We're going through a cost of living crisis. People are struggling to pay bills. My own energy bills have doubled in the past 12 months alone. If that is the hill you plan to die on, that makes you an enemy of the people in my mind. They can shit on big events all they want. I'd have no objection to them shitting on a Stoke match. Would be more entertaining than the bullshit football I've experienced for 5 years.
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Post by metalhead on May 31, 2023 23:58:01 GMT
Errr..... Not sure where you've been for past few years but yes, that's the current modus operandi. Take a car out on a finance deal, trade in a few years later... Rinse, repeat. Come on? You need me to explain what I mean when I say global systems? I really aren't going to sit here explaining this on a phone when you can easily Google it letmegooglethat.com/?q=global+ecosystems. These are being absolutely trashed by our current carbon footprint and while we aren't necessarily experiencing any ill-effects, countries like Bangladesh are currently going through the absolute worst of it. What you think is a post-apocalyptic joke, is their current lived experience. Why can't society change? You know, in Denmark, to buy a new car they are taxed a ridiculous amount based on a progressive taxation whereby even cheap cars are significantly pricier to buy over the RRP and expensive cars are ludicrously expensive (previously up to 180%, now 150%). What does that mean? They're mostly driving second hand cars right until they need something to replace it. Nobody feels ashamed of their 'banger'. They've just accepted that it's a financially sensible decision to keep their old car running. What shocked me from my time working there is how proud most Danish are of said policy, whereas over here, we feel embarrassed and buy brand new cars for a multitude of bullshit reasons. I don't align with Just Stop Oil. You can throw whatever insults at them that you want. I really don't care. However their message is a sound one, even if they don't stand by the philosophy. Fair enough metalhead. I do think you're a way off with your predictions and I have zero doubt that in 2030 we will be absolutely fine. I happen to have spent a lot of time in the Subcontinent and while not Bangladesh per se, the West Bengal region of India. I can't say I ever came across the people voicing their concerns over "global systems". Much of the population lives in misery and abject poverty and indeed experiences adverse weather conditions - In much the same way they have for hundreds, if not thousands of years in that part of the world. That is not new. Re the car leasing every 4 years, I'm familiar with the model as I use it but I'm pretty sure the majority of the British adult population doesn't. Maybe I'm wrong and most Brits do have a new car every four years. At least we broadly agree on wastage and just stop oil being shit. We'll have to disagree on the other bits but it's good to see someone challenge the thread title in a polite manner.👍 For what it's worth, I'd be keen to know more about your experiences travelling. Naturally, I follow the science. That's all I have to work with.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2023 7:47:53 GMT
A few dorks nearly taken out
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2023 7:56:14 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 1, 2023 7:57:14 GMT
I'm sorry, which outburst? Or is this you slinging things around at completely the wrong posters (yet again) because, as mentioned, you have absolutely nothing else in that wilted brain of yours? Weird how you seem to be about the only poster on this board who regularly tells people what they said in the past yet never, ever back it up with any quotes at all to prove your point , you just hope everyone will believe you. Proving both of my points there: Can't counter so gets personal - Check Brings COVID into it for no reason - Check The only person you're convincing that you have any intelligence whatsoever is yourself mate, everyone else can see how you solely 100% rely on other people to come up with ideas for you so you can just trot them out parrot fashion, whilst ironically calling everyone else sheeple. Embarrassing. Just catching up on the Mick Mills abuse fest. I'll leave it at this because you'll end up injuring yourself or someone else if you get any more worked up. But just for clarity, this particular point around abuse made me smile. "Can't counter so gets personal". He says after literally posting about 20 consecutive "personal" insults. Which is absolutely fine but can you not see the funny side of that comment? Oh, and your other point - "brings covid into it for no reason". Look at your initial post on this thread... Sorry, who brought covid into it for no reason?🙏 Astounding levels of hypocrisy as ever from Mental Mick. Time to climb down from that high horse Mick, it doesn't suit you bud.🐴😂 When are you replying to my posts to explain how the below video is terrorism?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 1, 2023 8:00:09 GMT
Fair enough metalhead. I do think you're a way off with your predictions and I have zero doubt that in 2030 we will be absolutely fine. I happen to have spent a lot of time in the Subcontinent and while not Bangladesh per se, the West Bengal region of India. I can't say I ever came across the people voicing their concerns over "global systems". Much of the population lives in misery and abject poverty and indeed experiences adverse weather conditions - In much the same way they have for hundreds, if not thousands of years in that part of the world. That is not new. Re the car leasing every 4 years, I'm familiar with the model as I use it but I'm pretty sure the majority of the British adult population doesn't. Maybe I'm wrong and most Brits do have a new car every four years. At least we broadly agree on wastage and just stop oil being shit. We'll have to disagree on the other bits but it's good to see someone challenge the thread title in a polite manner.👍 For what it's worth, I'd be keen to know more about your experiences travelling. Naturally, I follow the science. That's all I have to work with. Well what I would say is the subcontinent is the most spectacular part of the world for me. Re the time in West Bengal, I work in IT and we had a big off shore operation in Kolkata hence saw quite a bit of the region. Been out there for the cricket a few times too which I'd highly recommend. 😊 That's fair enough - I think we've seen more than ever in the past few years that "follow the science" means different things to different people. Even with climate change and the oil situation, opinions on the root cause of the issue and how it should be managed differs from scientist to scientist. And for some scientists, there is no issue. What I will say, while I'm massively sceptical of the idea the world is ending and the idea countless places will be uninhabitable in the next decade, i do think we should do everything possible, without hindering livelihoods, to preserve the environment. I don't think anyone can or should take pleasure at seeing forests around the world such as the Amazon ripped apart on a daily basis and ruining the habitat of both indigenous people and all the animals that suffer. Or indeed the endless damage to our oceans.😒 These are causes most are happy to get behind. Just Stop Oil, ER and the Greta fan club are not going to add any value to anyone in resolving the above. They will take very few meaningful people with them on their journey of disruption, bitterness, questionable science and politicisation of the environment.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 1, 2023 8:09:54 GMT
Just catching up on the Mick Mills abuse fest. I'll leave it at this because you'll end up injuring yourself or someone else if you get any more worked up. But just for clarity, this particular point around abuse made me smile. "Can't counter so gets personal". He says after literally posting about 20 consecutive "personal" insults. Which is absolutely fine but can you not see the funny side of that comment? Oh, and your other point - "brings covid into it for no reason". Look at your initial post on this thread... Sorry, who brought covid into it for no reason?🙏 Astounding levels of hypocrisy as ever from Mental Mick. Time to climb down from that high horse Mick, it doesn't suit you bud.🐴😂 When are you replying to my posts to explain how the below video is terrorism? How would you describe an organisation that frequently breaks the law, is highly politicised, brings part of the nation to a standstill on a daily basis, prevents innocent people from going about their daily lives, and prevents innocent people from going to hospitals for treatment while putting innocent people at risk of fatal incidents whenever they block roads? Mark my words, it's a matter of time until something incredibly happens off the back of the reckless actions of these clowns. They are only just getting started and you should be ashamed of yourself for defending them. I counter your carefully selected video with the video Crouchie has just posted. How would you feel if that was you in the van and you urgently needed to see a member of your family who was unwell or for whatever reason needed your attention immediately? Or perhaps you had an urgent appointment at work that was critical to saving someone's life or improving your life? Would you be defending them then? They are terrorists and should be dealt with severely.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 1, 2023 8:17:48 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 1, 2023 8:33:50 GMT
Can’t we go back to the good old days of naked women running across a sports field?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2023 8:34:45 GMT
Can’t we go back to the good old days of naked women running across a sports field? Good old Erica Roe
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 1, 2023 8:40:54 GMT
like the style of these protesters,I may even join in with them at some point.
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Post by gawa on Jun 1, 2023 8:47:35 GMT
Probably doing England a favour there. That's just some fans dressed up to save them from getting embarrassed.
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Post by Davef on Jun 1, 2023 9:04:46 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 1, 2023 10:19:11 GMT
When are you replying to my posts to explain how the below video is terrorism? How would you describe an organisation that frequently breaks the law, is highly politicised, brings part of the nation to a standstill on a daily basis, prevents innocent people from going about their daily lives, and prevents innocent people from going to hospitals for treatment while putting innocent people at risk of fatal incidents whenever they block roads? Mark my words, it's a matter of time until something incredibly happens off the back of the reckless actions of these clowns. They are only just getting started and you should be ashamed of yourself for defending them. I counter your carefully selected video with the video Crouchie has just posted. How would you feel if that was you in the van and you urgently needed to see a member of your family who was unwell or for whatever reason needed your attention immediately? Or perhaps you had an urgent appointment at work that was critical to saving someone's life or improving your life? Would you be defending them then? They are terrorists and should be dealt with severely. Yes, you’ve convinced me. In fact, I hear Isis will be filming them throwing orange paint on themselves in front of their victims rather than beheading them in future. That is the way to spread terror…
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