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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 22:14:47 GMT
Why not men identifying as women? What excludes them from male pattern violence? That’s what my question #2 was about . Women should feel threatened by men in general sadly Couldn’t have put it any more clearly myself mate
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 22:42:10 GMT
Absolutely, but the biggest threat to women is and always will be men identifying as men, by a long stretch If you're going off totals then that's obvious. You should he going off %s, in which case you're wrong. Indeed, the reports findings below clearly show the opposite in terms of proportional representation. committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners): 76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9% 125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3% 13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8% ‘Of the 125 transgender prisoners counted by the prison service in 2017, 60 had been convicted of sexual offenses, including 27 convicted of rape (BBC News 2018). In the overall prison population, by comparison, 19% of males had been convicted of sexual crimes and only 4% of females (Ministry of Justice 2018b). MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending. The study provides strong evidence that policy makers cannot safely assume (a) that transwomen’s offending patterns, including violent offending, will be significantly different than those of the general male population or (b) that they will be similar to those of the general female population. ....I think this also answers Potterlogs 2nd question. Now do the number of sex offenders as a % of the population as whole for transwomen and then for cis men and one is 0.015% and the other 0.007%. Or another way of looking at it is 99.37% of sex offenders in prison are cisgender. Many of the sex offenders in the stats you quote by the way claimed they were trans after committing the offence and going to prison and have been given automatic trans status by the Ministry Of Justice under their their self-declare policy, the numbers aren't clear as to how many. This is an issue that absolutely needs resolving....................
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Post by Davef on Jul 5, 2023 12:23:05 GMT
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Post by foster on Jul 5, 2023 12:33:49 GMT
Transwomen are nearly 20x more likely to commit sexual offences than women (based on prison statistics). So you wouldn't get good odds.
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Post by slash on Jul 5, 2023 14:36:25 GMT
gender ideology centres around the idea that we are male or female innately in our soul upon birth, and that this has nothing to do with our bodies or chromosomes, which could be the opposite of the inner essence we were born with. this is an unknowable and unprovable claim that is mystical in nature. essentially, a religious claim.
the initial premise, which is just as preposterous as the idea that an invisible man in the sky created the universe in six days and then took a nap, is the foundation for the entire belief system. to believe any of the other teachings, you must, blindly on faith, accept the big lie.
what makes it a cult though, and not just a religion, is the way people are recruited and expelled and the way members are brainwashed into shouting down all criticism. in the gender cult, full obedience is demanded and anything less leads to expulsion. which, like scientology, has led to some splinter groups for those who have been expelled.
any doubt you have about yourself or the teachings, the teachings say are your own internal transphobia. so members of the cult are not allowed to question any teachings without they themselves being blamed as transphobic. you see it in trans communities all the time, when someone is unhappy and starts to feel like it might all be a lie, they quickly reign themselves in and apologise for their own "internalised transphobia" to explain away their doubts.
because the belief system can't withstand scrutiny, the goal isn't to win the debate, the goal is to ensure that the debate never takes place. anything other than 100% adherence to the ideology is quickly labeled transphobic and anything less than full devotion to believing that men are women leads to quick bannings on many prominent sites, including reddit, facebook, and until recently, twitter. any other social site, it's 100% for sure i'd be banned for this post. because it's the oatcake, i maybe have a 50% chance of not being banned for posting this, depending on the admins. the debate is so incredibly slanted by these aggressive bannings, not to mention the unwavering mantra of TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN that isn't allowed to be questioned in any way, lest you be banished from polite society for daring to understand science.
football team fanbases aren't trying to convince 12 year old girls to chop off their tits. lego fans aren't telling little gay boys they're really trapped in the wrong body and the solution is an entire lifetime of never ending dangerous drugs and surgeries that will leave you undateable to 99% of the population.
the cult teaches that EVERYONE has a gender identity. the worldview is forced upon everyone and if you refuse to join the cult, you risk losing your job or even losing your kids. something i don't have to worry about for not liking mötley crüe.
i have no inner sense of self that is male or female. most people don't. it's a made up religious belief that has been forced upon society in the name of profit. the primary victims are young gay children who are no longer being told they are perfect just the way they are and instead being told everything is wrong with them. it's cruel and sick. we should be teaching love and acceptance, not mutilation and sterilisation.
gender non conforming people have always existed. i'm one of them. some of the greatest entertainers have been gender non conforming. look at bowie, and freddie mercury. there's nothing wrong with not conforming to stupid backwards sexist conservative stereotypes.
but what the cult is teaching is that those stupid backwards sexist conservative stereotypes are actually what makes us a man or woman! completely fucking insane.
the people on this message board defending it are defending sexism and homophobia.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 5, 2023 14:48:19 GMT
Transwomen are nearly 20x more likely to commit sexual offences than women (based on prison statistics). So you wouldn't get good odds. But no more likely based on the number of offenders v the total population number. You can alarm anyone with stats depending on how you present them. Maybe we should direct our concern towards His Majesty's Police Force instead?
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Post by foster on Jul 5, 2023 15:16:28 GMT
Transwomen are nearly 20x more likely to commit sexual offences than women (based on prison statistics). So you wouldn't get good odds. But no more likely based on the number of offenders v the total population number. You can alarm anyone with stats depending on how you present them. Maybe we should direct our concern towards His Majesty's Police Force instead? I would shorten the odds based on your argument, but if you consider that a) the UK female height percentile for 6'3ft women is less than 0.01% (<300'000) across all age groups, and b) that this figure would be significantly reduced to match the 18-20 age bracket, then I think a trans women culprit remains the strong bookies favourite. ps - Police stuff is for the MET thread.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 5, 2023 15:23:59 GMT
But no more likely based on the number of offenders v the total population number. You can alarm anyone with stats depending on how you present them. Maybe we should direct our concern towards His Majesty's Police Force instead? I would shorten the odds based on your argument, but if you consider that a) the UK female height percentile for 6'3ft women is less than 0.01% (<300'000) across all age groups, and b) that this figure would be significantly reduced to match the 18-20 age bracket, then I think a trans women culprit remains the strong bookies favourite. ps - Police stuff is for the MET thread. I’m not talking about that specific incident by the way, I’m taking across the board. Do you think my wife or daughter, or any female friends and relatives you have walking the streets of England and Wales are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone identifying as a woman, or not? And the police reference was relevant in the sense that the numbers are fairly startling for an organisation that is meant to serve the British public in keeping them safe from harms way, so maybe we should ban policemen with warrant cards, uniforms, pepper spray, batons and tasers from going anywhere near women’s safe spaces?
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Post by foster on Jul 5, 2023 15:37:36 GMT
I would shorten the odds based on your argument, but if you consider that a) the UK female height percentile for 6'3ft women is less than 0.01% (<300'000) across all age groups, and b) that this figure would be significantly reduced to match the 18-20 age bracket, then I think a trans women culprit remains the strong bookies favourite. ps - Police stuff is for the MET thread. I’m not talking about that specific incident by the way, I’m taking across the board. Do you think my wife or daughter, or any female friends and relatives you have walking the streets of England and Wales are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone identifying as a woman, or not? And the police reference was relevant in the sense that the numbers are fairly startling for an organisation that is meant to serve the British public in keeping them safe from harms way, so maybe we should ban policemen with warrant cards, uniforms, pepper spray, batons and tasers from going anywhere near women’s safe spaces? I'm not getting your point. It has nothing to do with how you identify. It's a comparison between woman and trans women, who I imagine will all identify as 'women' anyway. The story is about a 15 year old lad who has reportedly been sexually assaulted by two women. Which I would assume means that the two culprits would self identify as women. Let me ask you this...and based on the stats I presented and which are reported. If your wife or kids had to walk home alone after a night out, would you feel more comfortable with them bumping into a group of naturally born females in a dark alleyway, or a group of trans women in a dark alleyway?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 5, 2023 16:45:44 GMT
I’m not talking about that specific incident by the way, I’m taking across the board. Do you think my wife or daughter, or any female friends and relatives you have walking the streets of England and Wales are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone identifying as a woman, or not? And the police reference was relevant in the sense that the numbers are fairly startling for an organisation that is meant to serve the British public in keeping them safe from harms way, so maybe we should ban policemen with warrant cards, uniforms, pepper spray, batons and tasers from going anywhere near women’s safe spaces? I'm not getting your point. It has nothing to do with how you identify. It's a comparison between woman and trans women, who I imagine will all identify as 'women' anyway. The story is about a 15 year old lad who has reportedly been sexually assaulted by two women. Which I would assume means that the two culprits would self identify as women. Let me ask you this...and based on the stats I presented and which are reported. If your wife or kids had to walk home alone after a night out, would you feel more comfortable with them bumping into a group of naturally born females in a dark alleyway, or a group of trans women in a dark alleyway? Sorry I was replying to your post that said "Transwomen are nearly 20x more likely to commit sexual offences than women (based on prison statistics)." and making a general point as I don't think that reflects the danger for the general population in any way. But happy to hold my hands up I didn't fully digest your post and replied hastily which makes it confusing. In answer to your hypothetical question of course I'd rather them bump into a group of (cis) women in a dark alleyway over the alternative. But then I would rather that than a bunch of (cis) men also for the same obvious reason. Especially if they were employees of The Met Police force
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Post by musik on Jul 5, 2023 17:50:57 GMT
I think a woman knows best
what a woman is.
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Post by slash on Jul 6, 2023 3:26:10 GMT
I'm not getting your point. It has nothing to do with how you identify. It's a comparison between woman and trans women, who I imagine will all identify as 'women' anyway. The story is about a 15 year old lad who has reportedly been sexually assaulted by two women. Which I would assume means that the two culprits would self identify as women. Let me ask you this...and based on the stats I presented and which are reported. If your wife or kids had to walk home alone after a night out, would you feel more comfortable with them bumping into a group of naturally born females in a dark alleyway, or a group of trans women in a dark alleyway? Sorry I was replying to your post that said "Transwomen are nearly 20x more likely to commit sexual offences than women (based on prison statistics)." and making a general point as I don't think that reflects the danger for the general population in any way. But happy to hold my hands up I didn't fully digest your post and replied hastily which makes it confusing. In answer to your hypothetical question of course I'd rather them bump into a group of (cis) women in a dark alleyway over the alternative. But then I would rather that than a bunch of (cis) men also for the same obvious reason. Especially if they were employees of The Met Police force why do you use the slur "cis" to describe men and women?
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Post by thevoid on Jul 6, 2023 5:19:44 GMT
Sorry I was replying to your post that said "Transwomen are nearly 20x more likely to commit sexual offences than women (based on prison statistics)." and making a general point as I don't think that reflects the danger for the general population in any way. But happy to hold my hands up I didn't fully digest your post and replied hastily which makes it confusing. In answer to your hypothetical question of course I'd rather them bump into a group of (cis) women in a dark alleyway over the alternative. But then I would rather that than a bunch of (cis) men also for the same obvious reason. Especially if they were employees of The Met Police force why do you use the slur "cis" to describe men and women? Because it's offensive to call most of the global population 'normal' I'd assume. Another one of those daft buzzwords that the left like to throw around. Although, good to know that the team Russia entered into Euro 92 was more progressive than we thought at the time 😉
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 6, 2023 6:02:49 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2023 6:07:37 GMT
Sorry I was replying to your post that said "Transwomen are nearly 20x more likely to commit sexual offences than women (based on prison statistics)." and making a general point as I don't think that reflects the danger for the general population in any way. But happy to hold my hands up I didn't fully digest your post and replied hastily which makes it confusing. In answer to your hypothetical question of course I'd rather them bump into a group of (cis) women in a dark alleyway over the alternative. But then I would rather that than a bunch of (cis) men also for the same obvious reason. Especially if they were employees of The Met Police force why do you use the slur "cis" to describe men and women? To distinguish between both parties for the purpose of the argument. It’s not a word I use often but neither do a find it a “slur”
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Post by thevoid on Jul 6, 2023 6:08:22 GMT
Transwomen are nearly 20x more likely to commit sexual offences than women (based on prison statistics). So you wouldn't get good odds. But no more likely based on the number of offenders v the total population number. You can alarm anyone with stats depending on how you present them. Maybe we should direct our concern towards His Majesty's Police Force instead? Nice bit of whataboutery there
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2023 6:09:03 GMT
why do you use the slur "cis" to describe men and women? Because it's offensive to call most of the global population 'normal' I'd assume. Another one of those daft buzzwords that the left like to throw around. Although, good to know that the team Russia entered into Euro 92 was more progressive than we thought at the time 😉 Words and language change. Always have and always will……..
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Post by foster on Jul 6, 2023 6:10:49 GMT
Because it's offensive to call most of the global population 'normal' I'd assume. Another one of those daft buzzwords that the left like to throw around. Although, good to know that the team Russia entered into Euro 92 was more progressive than we thought at the time 😉 Words and language change. Always have and always will…….. It's a pointless word. Just more labeling nonsense.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2023 6:24:05 GMT
Words and language change. Always have and always will…….. It's a pointless word. Just more labeling nonsense. Yeah that what people have said throughout the decades as words and language change. And life just goes on…….
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 6, 2023 6:36:13 GMT
I think a woman knows best what a woman is. Very good point. Maybe this thread should deal with the question as to what a man is and leave the question as to what a woman is to those better qualified.
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Post by noustie on Jul 6, 2023 7:06:59 GMT
'When words lose their meaning, people lose their liberty' Confucius knew this in c.500 BC. Same as it ever was. Attachments:
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Post by foster on Jul 6, 2023 7:15:25 GMT
I think a woman knows best what a woman is. Very good point. Maybe this thread should deal with the question as to what a man is and leave the question as to what a woman is to those better qualified. Like JK Rowling? I agree.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2023 8:02:45 GMT
I think a woman knows best what a woman is. Very good point. Maybe this thread should deal with the question as to what a man is and leave the question as to what a woman is to those better qualified. The problem is get a load of women in one room and their opinions would still differ.......
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Post by knype on Jul 6, 2023 9:38:51 GMT
Very good point. Maybe this thread should deal with the question as to what a man is and leave the question as to what a woman is to those better qualified. The problem is get a load of women in one room and their opinions would still differ....... But the majority would agree that a biological woman is a woman, a man identifying as a woman is a man identifying as a woman!
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Post by thevoid on Jul 6, 2023 9:50:09 GMT
Very good point. Maybe this thread should deal with the question as to what a man is and leave the question as to what a woman is to those better qualified. Like JK Rowling? I agree. And Sharron Davies
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Post by foster on Jul 6, 2023 9:51:44 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2023 10:00:09 GMT
The problem is get a load of women in one room and their opinions would still differ....... But the majority would agree that a biological woman is a woman, a man identifying as a woman is a man identifying as a woman! Pretty much everyone would agree with your first point, lots of women would argue transwomen are women as well though..............
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Post by knype on Jul 6, 2023 10:01:28 GMT
But the majority would agree that a biological woman is a woman, a man identifying as a woman is a man identifying as a woman! Pretty much everyone would agree with your first point, lots of women would argue transwomen are women as well though.............. No, they are trans women as you rightly say!
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Post by musik on Jul 6, 2023 10:03:40 GMT
'When words lose their meaning, people lose their liberty' Confucius knew this in c.500 BC. Same as it ever was. So true. In a search for liberty they actually lose it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2023 10:04:33 GMT
Pretty much everyone would agree with your first point, lots of women would argue transwomen are women as well though.............. No, they are trans women as you rightly say! No I'm saying many woman would argue transwomen are women.........
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