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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 22:59:22 GMT
Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal. There are contradictory reports of large % of albeit a small amount of transgender prisoners being in for sex offences it depends what reports you want to believe However women’s rights are more at risk from trans women than the other way round I agree data is sketchy simply because as you say its based on a low percentage of offenders and thats just in a prison setting which logically are people predisposed to commit Criminal Acts, Sexual or otherwise My point is there are no more safeguards that I'm aware of which could be put in place to protect against Preditory Males if they wanted to masquerade as Female in any setting, incarcerated or otherwise Therefore those that are penalised are Genuine Trans people that have no inclination towards Sexually Criminal Acts.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 18:07:12 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved. I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood. Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men. Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons. Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal. The objection is that women and girls have a right to spaces which males are not allowed to go into. It doesn't matter whether the hypothetical individual male is predatory, criminal, masquerading as a woman, "genuinely" trans or anything else.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 4, 2023 18:08:33 GMT
Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal. The objection is that women and girls have a right to spaces which males are not allowed to go into. It doesn't matter whether the hypothetical individual male is predatory, criminal, masquerading as a woman, "genuinely" trans or anything else. Yep and vice versa
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 18:13:12 GMT
The objection is that women and girls have a right to spaces which males are not allowed to go into. It doesn't matter whether the hypothetical individual male is predatory, criminal, masquerading as a woman, "genuinely" trans or anything else. Yep and vice versa Absolutely. Someone asked above why there's not as much focus on trans men - from a safety point of view I think it's fairly self-evident why it's seen as not as urgent, but on a fundamental level the issue is the same.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 18:26:08 GMT
Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal. The objection is that women and girls have a right to spaces which males are not allowed to go into. It doesn't matter whether the hypothetical individual male is predatory, criminal, masquerading as a woman, "genuinely" trans or anything else. Playing devils advocate a locked cubicle in a unisex or gender neutral bathroom is a safe space. Far more common in other parts of the world than the UK of course…..
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 4, 2023 18:33:47 GMT
The objection is that women and girls have a right to spaces which males are not allowed to go into. It doesn't matter whether the hypothetical individual male is predatory, criminal, masquerading as a woman, "genuinely" trans or anything else. Playing devils advocate a locked cubicle in a unisex or gender neutral bathroom is a safe space. Far more common in other parts of the world than the UK of course….. Is a locked cubicle in a male or female bathroom not a “safe space”? I don’t get your point
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Post by wannabee on Jul 4, 2023 18:45:01 GMT
Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal. The objection is that women and girls have a right to spaces which males are not allowed to go into. It doesn't matter whether the hypothetical individual male is predatory, criminal, masquerading as a woman, "genuinely" trans or anything else. Genuine question What changes to the Law would you make to prevent predatory Males masquerading as a Female from entering Female only spaces.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 18:51:01 GMT
The objection is that women and girls have a right to spaces which males are not allowed to go into. It doesn't matter whether the hypothetical individual male is predatory, criminal, masquerading as a woman, "genuinely" trans or anything else. Genuine question What changes to the Law would you make to prevent predatory Males masquerading as a Female from entering Female only spaces. No idea, are changes necessary? Not sure what relevance you think that has, I specifically said "it doesn't matter"
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 4, 2023 18:53:53 GMT
Genuine question What changes to the Law would you make to prevent predatory Males masquerading as a Female from entering Female only spaces. No idea, are changes necessary? Not sure what relevance you think that has, I specifically said "it doesn't matter" And you’re correct of course. Safe spaces indeed, what next? A space where I can have a beer without being chatted up every five minutes?😉
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 19:00:19 GMT
Genuine question What changes to the Law would you make to prevent predatory Males masquerading as a Female from entering Female only spaces. No idea, are changes necessary? Not sure what relevance you think that has, I specifically said "it doesn't matter" What toilets should trans men and trans women use out of interest?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 4, 2023 19:08:29 GMT
No idea, are changes necessary? Not sure what relevance you think that has, I specifically said "it doesn't matter" What toilets should trans men and trans women use out of interest? Answering a question with a question again because you don’t have an answer. I have one, if you have a cock get in the men’s and if you have a fanny get in the womens👍🏻
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Post by wannabee on Jul 4, 2023 19:09:04 GMT
No idea, are changes necessary? Not sure what relevance you think that has, I specifically said "it doesn't matter" And you’re correct of course. Safe spaces indeed, what next? A space where I can have a beer without being chatted up every five minutes?😉 You wish no self respecting Trans would even look at you You'll be pleased to know this is another question I don't have an answer for. In the words of Taylor Swift ""Predators gonna Predate" If there were ways to ensure better safety for Women and Girls I'd be fully supportive, I have two Daughters. I just don't see Trans Male to Females as being a threat to Females maybe I'm naive. I could see it could be uncomfortable to some Women and Girls which is not right as one person's rights can't override another's Maybe some smarter person can come up with a solution
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 4, 2023 19:12:28 GMT
And you’re correct of course. Safe spaces indeed, what next? A space where I can have a beer without being chatted up every five minutes?😉 You wish no self respecting Trans would even look at you You'll be pleased to know this is another question I don't have an answer for. In the words of Taylor Swift ""Predators gonna Predate" If there were ways to ensure better safety for Women and Girls I'd be fully supportive, I have two Daughters. I just don't see Trans Male to Females as being a threat to Females maybe I'm naive. I could see it could be uncomfortable to some Women and Girls which is not right as one person's rights can't override another's Maybe some smarter person can come up with a solution I’ll have you know I’ve been hit on by many a strange specimen, including trans. I think you are naive actually, surely it’s the same for both entities to feel safe. Or are we suggesting once again that females are weaker than males? In which case I suggest to study your woke playbook again👍🏻
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 19:17:15 GMT
No idea, are changes necessary? Not sure what relevance you think that has, I specifically said "it doesn't matter" What toilets should trans men and trans women use out of interest? I dunno, just not the ones designated for the opposite sex. The concern is protecting spaces designated for the sexes, particularly women. If trans people feel they need different facilities or more unisex options or something, crack on campaigning for it. It's all a bit of a red herring though - what a lot of (most?) trans activists want is for males to be allowed to access female spaces unchecked, i.e. not a third option. Which I'm against
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 4, 2023 19:19:22 GMT
What toilets should trans men and trans women use out of interest? I dunno, just not the ones designated for the opposite sex. The concern is protecting spaces designated for the sexes, particularly women. If trans people feel they need different facilities or more unisex options or something, crack on campaigning for it. It's all a bit of a red herring though - what a lot of (most?) trans activists want is for males to be allowed to access female spaces unchecked, i.e. not a third option. Which I'm against And this is the main crux of the matter
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Post by gawa on Jul 4, 2023 19:36:12 GMT
Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal. I'm treading extremely carefully to respect views which are, as opinion not fact, all equally valid. You have touched on an important point though. From the last census approx 0.5% of the population identified as trans and of those just under half identified as trans women, the remainder trans men or non binary. Of that let's say 0.25%. There will be some a few of that number who have criminal motivation. There will be a few that might want to compete unfairly as women at the highest level. I accept the science that it is impossible for a trans woman who went through puberty as a male to ever be considered a "fair competitor" in any power event. What this debate boils down to however is approx 0.25% of the population approx 131,000 according to the last census of trans women. They aren't all professional sports people and they aren't all criminals. I support the safeguarding, I think criminal behaviour is unacceptable and sports need to be fair. What I struggle with is the demonisation of the remainder of those 131,000 trans people thrown into these specious arguments as collateral damage. If you have ever seen someone, let alone your own flesh and blood, in crisis. Watch them self harm and mutilate themselves because of dysmorphia then the only thing you want for them is some peace before it is too late and they inevitably take their own life. There are other sides to the story distilled into "clown world" threads. Stories that don't make it to Twitter of families literally trying to save lives. Providing no third parties are impacted those individuals should be allowed to live their lives. They are no more or less important than any of us. Very good post.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 4, 2023 19:37:32 GMT
And you’re correct of course. Safe spaces indeed, what next? A space where I can have a beer without being chatted up every five minutes?😉 You wish no self respecting Trans would even look at you You'll be pleased to know this is another question I don't have an answer for. In the words of Taylor Swift ""Predators gonna Predate" If there were ways to ensure better safety for Women and Girls I'd be fully supportive, I have two Daughters. I just don't see Trans Male to Females as being a threat to Females maybe I'm naive. I could see it could be uncomfortable to some Women and Girls which is not right as one person's rights can't override another's Maybe some smarter person can come up with a solution What % the of male to female trans currently in prison are there for sex offences. I’m not tarnishing a whole demographic but it seems with these figures you can see why biological women want biological women only spaces because they do see trans women with penises as threat. The perception may be bigger than actual amount but that’s not the point. When my daughter is in a communal woman’s shower at the pool she doesn’t want to be confronted by a biological male. Sounds fair to me
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 19:53:02 GMT
And you’re correct of course. Safe spaces indeed, what next? A space where I can have a beer without being chatted up every five minutes?😉 You wish no self respecting Trans would even look at you You'll be pleased to know this is another question I don't have an answer for. In the words of Taylor Swift ""Predators gonna Predate" If there were ways to ensure better safety for Women and Girls I'd be fully supportive, I have two Daughters. I just don't see Trans Male to Females as being a threat to Females maybe I'm naive. I could see it could be uncomfortable to some Women and Girls which is not right as one person's rights can't override another's Maybe some smarter person can come up with a solution OK a couple of questions for you 1) Do you think males as a general class are a (potential) threat to women and girls? Thinking about changing rooms, enclosed spaces, moments of vulnerability, states of undress etc. 2) Assuming the answer is yes, what tangible change do you think happens to all males that identify as women that removes that potential threat to your daughters altogether, and what evidence do you look for to show that threat is no longer there? Important to remember we're talking about percentages and broad populations, not individuals.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 20:19:24 GMT
What toilets should trans men and trans women use out of interest? I dunno, just not the ones designated for the opposite sex. The concern is protecting spaces designated for the sexes, particularly women. If trans people feel they need different facilities or more unisex options or something, crack on campaigning for it. It's all a bit of a red herring though - what a lot of (most?) trans activists want is for males to be allowed to access female spaces unchecked, i.e. not a third option. Which I'm against But under the 2010 Equalities Act trans people are able to access public areas (including toilets) without fear of discrimination, it's written in law and has been happening for ages (there's notable exceptions of course such as a women's refuge). So what do they need to campaign for? As I said earlier on it seems to have become a very recent fear for people, just around the time that this shit show of a government needed another scape goat for one of their many culture wars.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 20:24:41 GMT
You wish no self respecting Trans would even look at you You'll be pleased to know this is another question I don't have an answer for. In the words of Taylor Swift ""Predators gonna Predate" If there were ways to ensure better safety for Women and Girls I'd be fully supportive, I have two Daughters. I just don't see Trans Male to Females as being a threat to Females maybe I'm naive. I could see it could be uncomfortable to some Women and Girls which is not right as one person's rights can't override another's Maybe some smarter person can come up with a solution What % the of male to female trans currently in prison are there for sex offences. I’m not tarnishing a whole demographic but it seems with these figures you can see why biological women want biological women only spaces because they do see trans women with penises as threat. The perception may be bigger than actual amount but that’s not the point. When my daughter is in a communal woman’s shower at the pool she doesn’t want to be confronted by a biological male. Sounds fair to me How many swimming baths these days have one large changing area full of cubicles, and showers that are accessible to everyone? I think the correct term is "village style" there's more and more appearing..........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 20:34:56 GMT
You wish no self respecting Trans would even look at you You'll be pleased to know this is another question I don't have an answer for. In the words of Taylor Swift ""Predators gonna Predate" If there were ways to ensure better safety for Women and Girls I'd be fully supportive, I have two Daughters. I just don't see Trans Male to Females as being a threat to Females maybe I'm naive. I could see it could be uncomfortable to some Women and Girls which is not right as one person's rights can't override another's Maybe some smarter person can come up with a solution OK a couple of questions for you 1) Do you think males as a general class are a (potential) threat to women and girls? Thinking about changing rooms, enclosed spaces, moments of vulnerability, states of undress etc. 2) Assuming the answer is yes, what tangible change do you think happens to all males that identify as women that removes that potential threat to your daughters altogether, and what evidence do you look for to show that threat is no longer there? Important to remember we're talking about percentages and broad populations, not individuals. 1) Some men are a threat to women yes. Males commit 78% of violent crimes recorded in England and Wales. Males commit 88% of intimate partner homicides. Males commit 90% of all murders in England and Wales. Males commit 98% of recorded sexual offences. 2) If it's me being thick I apologise but I don't understand the question?
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 21:33:12 GMT
I dunno, just not the ones designated for the opposite sex. The concern is protecting spaces designated for the sexes, particularly women. If trans people feel they need different facilities or more unisex options or something, crack on campaigning for it. It's all a bit of a red herring though - what a lot of (most?) trans activists want is for males to be allowed to access female spaces unchecked, i.e. not a third option. Which I'm against But under the 2010 Equalities Act trans people are able to access public areas (including toilets) without fear of discrimination, it's written in law and has been happening for ages (there's notable exceptions of course such as a women's refuge). So what do they need to campaign for? As I said earlier on it seems to have become a very recent fear for people, just around the time that this shit show of a government needed another scape goat for one of their many culture wars..... I’m not sure that’s quite an accurate representation of the equalities act but it doesn’t matter. What certainly is a “recent fear”, and a very alarming one, is that it’s now legitimate to attack and call into question women’s rights and protections which have been baked into our system for our whole lives. We think of these battles as being over but it goes to show the progress we make as a society is never final and can come under attack at any time, from places you might least expect it.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 21:34:59 GMT
OK a couple of questions for you 1) Do you think males as a general class are a (potential) threat to women and girls? Thinking about changing rooms, enclosed spaces, moments of vulnerability, states of undress etc. 2) Assuming the answer is yes, what tangible change do you think happens to all males that identify as women that removes that potential threat to your daughters altogether, and what evidence do you look for to show that threat is no longer there? Important to remember we're talking about percentages and broad populations, not individuals. 1) Some men are a threat to women yes. Males commit 78% of violent crimes recorded in England and Wales. Males commit 88% of intimate partner homicides. Males commit 90% of all murders in England and Wales. Males commit 98% of recorded sexual offences. 2) If it's me being thick I apologise but I don't understand the question? I’m question why that poster doesn’t see trans “males to females” as a threat to females
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 21:43:05 GMT
1) Some men are a threat to women yes. Males commit 78% of violent crimes recorded in England and Wales. Males commit 88% of intimate partner homicides. Males commit 90% of all murders in England and Wales. Males commit 98% of recorded sexual offences. 2) If it's me being thick I apologise but I don't understand the question? I’m question why that poster doesn’t see trans “males to females” as a threat to females Ah right. Anyone is a threat though in theory, I drop my kids off at cubs/scouts, football practice, swimming lessons etc, you hear horror stories all the times about predators in those positions of trust. As a husband and a father of a daughter I'd be more concerned about them going for a jog into a secluded area, or walking home at 22:00 after a night out than encountering a man masquerading as a woman in a public toilet. I'm not saying it's not a threat, but I'm saying in the grand scheme of things it's a fairly minute one. A sexual predator is a sexual predator is a sexual predator.................
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 21:46:58 GMT
But under the 2010 Equalities Act trans people are able to access public areas (including toilets) without fear of discrimination, it's written in law and has been happening for ages (there's notable exceptions of course such as a women's refuge). So what do they need to campaign for? As I said earlier on it seems to have become a very recent fear for people, just around the time that this shit show of a government needed another scape goat for one of their many culture wars..... I’m not sure that’s quite an accurate representation of the equalities act but it doesn’t matter. What certainly is a “recent fear”, and a very alarming one, is that it’s now legitimate to attack and call into question women’s rights and protections which have been baked into our system for our whole lives. We think of these battles as being over but it goes to show the progress we make as a society is never final and can come under attack at any time, from places you might least expect it.Absolutely, but the biggest threat to women is and always will be men identifying as men, by a long stretch. Raising your sons not to see women as second class citizens, making it more difficult for teenage boys to access violent and misogynistic pornography, I would suggest they are two of the most important things that we could all do as parents to make women's lives safer................
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 21:48:48 GMT
I’m question why that poster doesn’t see trans “males to females” as a threat to females Ah right. Anyone is a threat though in theory, I drop my kids off at cubs/scouts, football practice, swimming lessons etc, you hear horror stories all the times about predators in those positions of trust. As a husband and a father of a daughter I'd be more concerned about them going for a jog into a secluded area, or walking home at 22:00 after a night out than encountering a man masquerading as a woman in a public toilet. I'm not saying it's not a threat, but I'm saying in the grand scheme of things it's a fairly minute one. A sexual predator is a sexual predator is a sexual predator................. Yes but there are reasons we have male and female facilities (that often go beyond any explicit “threat” to safety anyway), so if you’re saying it’s a minute threat and a predator is a predator, let’s just do away with the distinction and say women have to use the same spaces - changing rooms, prisons, rape crisis centres - as men
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2023 21:50:52 GMT
I’m not sure that’s quite an accurate representation of the equalities act but it doesn’t matter. What certainly is a “recent fear”, and a very alarming one, is that it’s now legitimate to attack and call into question women’s rights and protections which have been baked into our system for our whole lives. We think of these battles as being over but it goes to show the progress we make as a society is never final and can come under attack at any time, from places you might least expect it.Absolutely, but the biggest threat to women is and always will be men identifying as men, by a long stretch. . Why not men identifying as women? What excludes them from male pattern violence? That’s what my question #2 was about
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 22:00:46 GMT
Ah right. Anyone is a threat though in theory, I drop my kids off at cubs/scouts, football practice, swimming lessons etc, you hear horror stories all the times about predators in those positions of trust. As a husband and a father of a daughter I'd be more concerned about them going for a jog into a secluded area, or walking home at 22:00 after a night out than encountering a man masquerading as a woman in a public toilet. I'm not saying it's not a threat, but I'm saying in the grand scheme of things it's a fairly minute one. A sexual predator is a sexual predator is a sexual predator................. Yes but there are reasons we have male and female facilities (that often go beyond any explicit “threat” to safety anyway), so if you’re saying it’s a minute threat and a predator is a predator, let’s just do away with the distinction and say women have to use the same spaces - changing rooms, prisons, rape crisis centres - as men Prisons and rape crisis centres are totally different though I 100% have no issues with that argument and that is where understanding someone's biological sex (the question foster was asking yesterday) is absolutely vital. No one would want a situation where a vulnerable female was sharing a space with someone identifying as a woman but having a penis especially if that person had for example being charged with sexual assault, that would be bonkers. But across the world their are gender neutral changing rooms and toilets, unisex changing rooms and toilets, swimming baths, camp sites, leisure centres or whatever they may be that have these types of arrangements. In countries like Holland, Japan and Canada it's far more prevalent than the UK of course...............
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2023 22:09:52 GMT
Absolutely, but the biggest threat to women is and always will be men identifying as men, by a long stretch. . Why not men identifying as women? What excludes them from male pattern violence? That’s what my question #2 was about Men identifying as women will of course be violent in some cases, I'd be silly to think otherwise. But again look at the stats: Males commit 78% of violent crimes recorded in England and Wales. Males commit 88% of intimate partner homicides. Males commit 90% of all murders in England and Wales. Males commit 98% of recorded sexual offences. Women should feel threatened by men in general sadly, it's a danger narrative that people (not you I might add) peddle conflating trans people and sexual predators, it remains a very rare occurrence when you look at the stats....................
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Post by foster on Jul 4, 2023 22:14:06 GMT
I’m not sure that’s quite an accurate representation of the equalities act but it doesn’t matter. What certainly is a “recent fear”, and a very alarming one, is that it’s now legitimate to attack and call into question women’s rights and protections which have been baked into our system for our whole lives. We think of these battles as being over but it goes to show the progress we make as a society is never final and can come under attack at any time, from places you might least expect it.Absolutely, but the biggest threat to women is and always will be men identifying as men, by a long stretch If you're going off totals then that's obvious. You should he going off %s, in which case you're wrong. Indeed, the reports findings below clearly show the opposite in terms of proportional representation. committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners): 76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9% 125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3% 13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8% ‘Of the 125 transgender prisoners counted by the prison service in 2017, 60 had been convicted of sexual offenses, including 27 convicted of rape (BBC News 2018). In the overall prison population, by comparison, 19% of males had been convicted of sexual crimes and only 4% of females (Ministry of Justice 2018b). MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending. The study provides strong evidence that policy makers cannot safely assume (a) that transwomen’s offending patterns, including violent offending, will be significantly different than those of the general male population or (b) that they will be similar to those of the general female population. ....I think this also answers Potterlogs 2nd question.
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