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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 3, 2023 18:58:44 GMT
I'm afraid my empathy gland was removed after 10 years working in the 'third' sector. Over me head. What's the third sector lol Registered charities, social landlords, PICs. Pay staff less than market rate but bosses more. All to subsidise the customer base.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 3, 2023 18:59:01 GMT
Over me head. What's the third sector lol Badger baiting I do that for free.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 3, 2023 18:59:50 GMT
It’s a shit hobby you should find something else😉
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 3, 2023 19:00:03 GMT
The Crying Game is one of my favourite films. I met Neil Jordan once, amazing story behind the film and how it was a sleeper hit.
Anyway, just because you can’t understand doesn’t mean it isn’t a thing. Wrong’uns exist in all walks of society.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 3, 2023 19:02:46 GMT
It’s a shit hobby you should find something else😉 It's a public service, not a hobby.
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 19:03:38 GMT
Have they? Where?
The last two reports that Wannabe misquoted in the police thread didn't use the word 'Institutionally', so they haven't been deemed that. It was the ex boss in Scotland looking for some attention who used that word and its hardly conclusive coming from him. Feel free to go and do some actual research though and share something official. I mean, we could all just throw random statements out there without any facts to substantiate them, but that's not really the best way to go about things. What’s wannabe’s posts got to do with mine you’ve lost me? Baroness Casey is an ex-Scottish member of the police force then? Ironically considering the topic she was criticised for not including transphobia in her report……. Do you plan on answering any questions I've asked you today or not mate? It's tiring seeing you make sweeping statements with no facts to back them up. 1) Rowlings transphobic statements? 2) Why are trans/certain people offended when trans are compared to naturally biological females? How is that transphobic? 3) Where is the report or evidence you have that states that the MET is 'institutionally' racist as you claimed? I mentioned that the past two reports that Wannabe shared (and made false claims about) didn't say that. Do you have something else that does? These are 3 pretty basic questions mate. If you can't answer them, or be bothered to, then just say so.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 3, 2023 19:08:12 GMT
When Stoke played Arsenal at Highbury in the FA Cup in 2005, I was in my final year of primary school. I remember we stayed in a hotel in Islington and as well as a big group of my dad’s mates, a large group of what we used to call transvestites. In the same lift down to reception, around the hotel bar. And apart from the odd smirk, I remember it was all very respectful. Even for a group of Stoke supporters of the 70s, 80s and 90s and all that came with it.
Nadia won big brother and Hayley Cropper was on telly for years and again, even thought it was sort of novel, there was never any hatred.
So even though my default is to be anti any type of transphobia, it is interesting to think that yes, it does seem to be more of a contentious issue these days
I Will absolutely draw the line at comments of ‘it’s not fucking normal’ though. That to me is just nasty and hateful bollocks.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 3, 2023 19:08:20 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 19:13:56 GMT
What’s wannabe’s posts got to do with mine you’ve lost me? Baroness Casey is an ex-Scottish member of the police force then? Ironically considering the topic she was criticised for not including transphobia in her report……. Do you plan on answering any questions I've asked you today or not mate? It's tiring seeing you make sweeping statements with no facts to back them up. 1) Rowlings transphobic statements? 2) Why are trans/certain people offended when trans are compared to naturally biological females? How is that transphobic? 3) Where is the report or evidence you have that states that the MET is 'institutionally' racist as you claimed? I mentioned that the past two reports that Wannabe shared (and made false claims about) didn't say that. Do you have something else that does? These are 3 pretty basic questions mate. If you can't answer them, or be bothered to, then just say so. You seem to lack the ability to read properly. Again you’ve just misquoted me by saying Rowling made a transphobic statement (I didn’t say that). Second time now you even acknowledged I didn’t first time round what’s not sinking in? Now you’ve gone off on one about some Scottish copper when I was referring to the Casey Report, and banging on about wannabe’s posts on another thread (nowt to do with me?). Are you ok?
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 19:23:39 GMT
Do you plan on answering any questions I've asked you today or not mate? It's tiring seeing you make sweeping statements with no facts to back them up. 1) Rowlings transphobic statements? 2) Why are trans/certain people offended when trans are compared to naturally biological females? How is that transphobic? 3) Where is the report or evidence you have that states that the MET is 'institutionally' racist as you claimed? I mentioned that the past two reports that Wannabe shared (and made false claims about) didn't say that. Do you have something else that does? These are 3 pretty basic questions mate. If you can't answer them, or be bothered to, then just say so. You seem to lack the ability to read properly. Again you’ve just misquoted me by saying Rowling made a transphobic statement (I didn’t say that). Second time now you’ve acknowledged I didn’t first time round what’s not sinking in? Now you’ve gone off on one about some Scottish copper when I was referring to the Casey Report, and banging on about wannabe’s posts on another thread (nowt to do with me?). Are you ok? Why do you keep deflecting? Is answering 3 questions such a task for you mate? You said Rowling shared transphobic statements (retweets) and said you'd share them when you got home from work. I don't know what report (Casey) you're referring to. I'm simply asking you for evidence to back up your statement that the MET are institutionally corrupt. You used that wording so where's your proof? ...and you still can't answer the question on what is offensive about calling a biological female a female?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 3, 2023 19:32:07 GMT
Guitar battle, me Vs Brian. Winner stays on.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 19:39:13 GMT
You seem to lack the ability to read properly. Again you’ve just misquoted me by saying Rowling made a transphobic statement (I didn’t say that). Second time now you’ve acknowledged I didn’t first time round what’s not sinking in? Now you’ve gone off on one about some Scottish copper when I was referring to the Casey Report, and banging on about wannabe’s posts on another thread (nowt to do with me?). Are you ok? Why do you keep deflecting? Is answering 3 questions such a task for you mate? You said Rowling shared transphobic statements (retweets) and said you'd share them when you got home from work. I don't know what report (Casey) you're referring to. I'm simply asking you for evidence to back up your statement that the MET are institutionally corrupt. You used that wording so where's your proof? ...and you still can't answer the question on what is offensive about calling a biological female a female? I’m still at work. You could literally Google “Casey Report” to see the findings, it was reported heavily in the media. And I can answer the question, why is someone’s biological sex anyone else’s business unless it’s required for a very specific reason? There are many reasons why it’s not as black and white as you’re alluding to that’s for sure……..
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 19:39:21 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 19:41:00 GMT
Why do you keep deflecting? Is answering 3 questions such a task for you mate? You said Rowling shared transphobic statements (retweets) and said you'd share them when you got home from work. I don't know what report (Casey) you're referring to. I'm simply asking you for evidence to back up your statement that the MET are institutionally corrupt. You used that wording so where's your proof? ...and you still can't answer the question on what is offensive about calling a biological female a female? I’m still at work. You could literally Google “Casey Report” to see the findings, it was reported heavily in the media. And I can answer the question, why is someone’s biological sex anyone else’s business unless it’s required for a very specific reason? There are many reasons why it’s not as black and white as you’re alluding to that’s for sure. For a true answer about being offended though it would probably be best aimed at trans people rather than me……..
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 20:04:25 GMT
Why do you keep deflecting? Is answering 3 questions such a task for you mate? You said Rowling shared transphobic statements (retweets) and said you'd share them when you got home from work. I don't know what report (Casey) you're referring to. I'm simply asking you for evidence to back up your statement that the MET are institutionally corrupt. You used that wording so where's your proof? ...and you still can't answer the question on what is offensive about calling a biological female a female? I’m still at work. You could literally Google “Casey Report” to see the findings, it was reported heavily in the media. And I can answer the question, why is someone’s biological sex anyone else’s business unless it’s required for a very specific reason? There are many reasons why it’s not as black and white as you’re alluding to that’s for sure……..So you actually can't answer the question. You give it all the virtue signaling guff about people being transphobic yet can't even explain yourself how they're being transphobic. Typical.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 3, 2023 20:09:42 GMT
You seem to lack the ability to read properly. Again you’ve just misquoted me by saying Rowling made a transphobic statement (I didn’t say that). Second time now you’ve acknowledged I didn’t first time round what’s not sinking in? Now you’ve gone off on one about some Scottish copper when I was referring to the Casey Report, and banging on about wannabe’s posts on another thread (nowt to do with me?). Are you ok? Why do you keep deflecting? Is answering 3 questions such a task for you mate? You said Rowling shared transphobic statements (retweets) and said you'd share them when you got home from work. I don't know what report (Casey) you're referring to. I'm simply asking you for evidence to back up your statement that the MET are institutionally corrupt. You used that wording so where's your proof? ...and you still can't answer the question on what is offensive about calling a biological female a female? Give him a chance, he's picking his angel wings up from the dry cleaners.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 20:16:30 GMT
I’m still at work. You could literally Google “Casey Report” to see the findings, it was reported heavily in the media. And I can answer the question, why is someone’s biological sex anyone else’s business unless it’s required for a very specific reason? There are many reasons why it’s not as black and white as you’re alluding to that’s for sure……..So you actually can't answer the question. You give it all the virtue signaling guff about people being transphobic yet can't even explain yourself how they're being transphobic. Typical. I answered the question. If you don’t like the answer that’s your problem not mine……
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 20:26:28 GMT
So you actually can't answer the question. You give it all the virtue signaling guff about people being transphobic yet can't even explain yourself how they're being transphobic. Typical. I answered the question. If you don’t like the answer that’s your problem not mine…… What's offensive about calling a biological female a female? " why is someone’s biological sex anyone else’s business unless it’s required for a very specific reason? There are many reasons why it’s not as black and white as you’re alluding to that’s for sure. For a true answer about being offended though it would probably be best aimed at trans people rather than me…….." Answering a question with a question, followed by conclusive proof that you haven't got a clue what you're virtue signaling about. He, she, they're transphobic!!....but I don't know why!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 20:32:42 GMT
I answered the question. If you don’t like the answer that’s your problem not mine…… What's offensive about calling a biological female a female? " why is someone’s biological sex anyone else’s business unless it’s required for a very specific reason? There are many reasons why it’s not as black and white as you’re alluding to that’s for sure. For a true answer about being offended though it would probably be best aimed at trans people rather than me…….." Answering a question with a question, followed by conclusive proof that you haven't got a clue what you're virtue signaling about. He, she, they're transphobic!!....but I don't know why! Nope, you’ve lost me……..
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 3, 2023 20:33:16 GMT
I answered the question. If you don’t like the answer that’s your problem not mine…… What's offensive about calling a biological female a female? " why is someone’s biological sex anyone else’s business unless it’s required for a very specific reason? There are many reasons why it’s not as black and white as you’re alluding to that’s for sure. For a true answer about being offended though it would probably be best aimed at trans people rather than me…….." Answering a question with a question, followed by conclusive proof that you haven't got a clue what you're virtue signaling about. He, she, they're transphobic!!....but I don't know why! Question answered apparently….. Not for me
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 3, 2023 20:49:45 GMT
The Crying Game is one of my favourite films. I met Neil Jordan once, amazing story behind the film and how it was a sleeper hit. Anyway, just because you can’t understand doesn’t mean it isn’t a thing. Wrong’uns exist in all walks of society. Great film.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 3, 2023 20:53:56 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved.
I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood.
Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men.
Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 3, 2023 21:06:46 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved. I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood. Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men. Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons. Nope my views are the same But it seems most of the women like being women
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Post by salopstick on Jul 3, 2023 21:07:57 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved. I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood. Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men. Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons. Nope my views are the same Rather than campaigning to infringe the rights of women, transwomen should be calling for their own rights to be protected
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Post by salopstick on Jul 3, 2023 21:08:29 GMT
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 21:27:46 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved. I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood. Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men. Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons. Predominantly male opinion as the board is predominantly male mate. My views are the same either way around, however there needs be some common sense and realism involved. A biological man who is trans is always going to be more intimidating physically in stature to a woman, so any trans men-to-women have to understand that they can't just start using women's toilets as they want, or go to female prisons, or play female sports (pro level), etc. There is a genetic difference and it can be intimidating to other women. It's also just fact. A woman-to-man transgender will always be considered inferior physically to other males so there is less threat to other men there. They also won't have to be concerned about the trans guy having a bigger dick than them or running off with their Mrs.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 3, 2023 22:07:49 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved. I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood. Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men. Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons. Predominantly male opinion as the board is predominantly male mate. My views are the same either way around, however there needs be some common sense and realism involved. A biological man who is trans is always going to be more intimidating physically in stature to a woman, so any trans men-to-women have to understand that they can't just start using women's toilets as they want, or go to female prisons, or play female sports (pro level), etc. There is a genetic difference and it can be intimidating to other women. It's also just fact. A woman-to-man transgender will always be considered inferior physically to other males so there is less threat to other men there. They also won't have to be concerned about the trans guy having a bigger dick than them or running off with their Mrs. Perhaps the cultural sexism in the world means trans men just go unnoticed as part of the patriarchy and that's why men don't need a male JK Rowling. time.com/transgender-men-sexism/
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 22:15:47 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved. I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood. Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men. Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons. Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 3, 2023 22:41:47 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved. I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood. Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men. Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons. Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal. There are contradictory reports of large % of albeit a small amount of transgender prisoners being in for sex offences it depends what reports you want to believe However women’s rights are more at risk from trans women than the other way round
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Post by andystokey on Jul 3, 2023 22:52:30 GMT
I always try to avoid these threads. As I have good reason to, they put me too close to the hurt and pain involved. I just make one observation on this topic. This is predominantly a thread of male opinions about men who transition to women. For whatever reason that seems to press the buttons of the men coming to "defend" womanhood. Anyway my point is that there is rarely a strong point of view about females that either have or want to transition to men. Maybe it doesn't press the same buttons. Respecting your views Andy your option to reply to my comments as you wish or not and continuing the Male to Female pattern As far as I can see, the objections put forward, on the surface, aren't about trans people. It’s about the potential for predatory males and the fear that those males can and will exploit rules if put in place for the benefit of genuine trans people. Where I don't follow this logic is that whether there are rules in place or not currently a Rogue Male Predator could masquerade as a female and enter a Female Toilet, which seems to be one of the biggest fears. The logical conclusion therefore is that those opposed to Trans people simply don't want them to exist at all and are using bogus arguments about potential situations which are already criminal. I'm treading extremely carefully to respect views which are, as opinion not fact, all equally valid. You have touched on an important point though. From the last census approx 0.5% of the population identified as trans and of those just under half identified as trans women, the remainder trans men or non binary. Of that let's say 0.25%. There will be some a few of that number who have criminal motivation. There will be a few that might want to compete unfairly as women at the highest level. I accept the science that it is impossible for a trans woman who went through puberty as a male to ever be considered a "fair competitor" in any power event. What this debate boils down to however is approx 0.25% of the population approx 131,000 according to the last census of trans women. They aren't all professional sports people and they aren't all criminals. I support the safeguarding, I think criminal behaviour is unacceptable and sports need to be fair. What I struggle with is the demonisation of the remainder of those 131,000 trans people thrown into these specious arguments as collateral damage. If you have ever seen someone, let alone your own flesh and blood, in crisis. Watch them self harm and mutilate themselves because of dysmorphia then the only thing you want for them is some peace before it is too late and they inevitably take their own life. There are other sides to the story distilled into "clown world" threads. Stories that don't make it to Twitter of families literally trying to save lives. Providing no third parties are impacted those individuals should be allowed to live their lives. They are no more or less important than any of us.
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