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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 31, 2022 12:07:57 GMT
“Sneering at people”….he was saying it as it was and remains to this day. It’s about winning, in style if you can, if not win and that equals success Your’e 2nd point……not a clue what you’re talking about. I can remember gates of 8000 or less, that’s 60 years ago. How many attendances were less than 20K even during our darkest days in the EPL? Noted that you didn’t comment upon our EPL years and our opportunity to watch close up World Class Footballers, strange I suppose it doesn’t meet your expectations of entertainment. Think win = success You are wasting your time mate. You are trying to have a discussion with someone who will argue black is white and then white is black. He is "conveniently overlooking" that Durban's comments were most certainly not aimed at the Stoke fans. He had just taken Stoke to Arsenal and put on a defensive masterclass to win 1-0. He was responding to a sneering comment from a London based journalist on the lines of "how dare little old Stoke stifle and beat the wonderfully entertaining Arsenal on their own ground rather than playing attractive football but eventually rolling over and losing". The point Durban was making was that as the away manager he wasn't responsible for "entertaining" the home fans. As a Stoke fan I was delighted with the win! 👍👍👍👍 The conversation, if it was one, was about being entertained and it being suggested it be more important than the result. Personally if we could win every game with panache and style by three/four goals I’d be over the moon and go home happy. If we scrapped a 1-0 win in a hard fought game I’d be exactly the same. The reward for either is three points!! Perhaps I’m simply easily pleased watching Stoke win. The more wins, the more success
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Tezgel
Aug 31, 2022 12:15:14 GMT
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2022 12:15:14 GMT
It's too early to say in terms of any actual evidence but the circumstantial evidence is pretty compelling: 1 A defining characteristic of the transfer policy under O'Neil was to target young players and John Coates said the club are looking at a change of direction - which may mean just a change of manager but reads like something deeper 2 Neil has stated in the past the he rates experience over youth 3 There are reports that Neil wasn't happy with his lack of control over transfers at Sunderland where the strategy is to buy and develop young players 4 Neil left Sunderland in part because he sees himself as a manager rather than a Head Coach. He isn't going to be happy if the club try to take responsibility for transfer policy out of his hands. On the other hand there is no evidence to support the view that Neil intends to continue the strategy of playing youngsters. The next few team sheets and any late arrivals might provide clues to where we are heading but if there was a book running on this I know where my money would go. Neil may well prefer experience over youth to a degree but it hasn't stopped him being prepared to play youth at Sunderland, where three members of the team that started the play-off final were 23 or under and that doesn't include Jack Clarke, who played a big role there on his watch. My understanding of his issues with Sunderland's strategy was that they were exclusively targeting youth players rather than signing a mixture of youth and experience. It's a pretty big leap at this point to assume we're abandoning our approach altogether. Did they not sign Defoe, Evans and Baath last year who are all in their 30s? Alex Pritchard too in his late 20s.
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Tezgel
Aug 31, 2022 12:24:19 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2022 12:24:19 GMT
Neil may well prefer experience over youth to a degree but it hasn't stopped him being prepared to play youth at Sunderland, where three members of the team that started the play-off final were 23 or under and that doesn't include Jack Clarke, who played a big role there on his watch. My understanding of his issues with Sunderland's strategy was that they were exclusively targeting youth players rather than signing a mixture of youth and experience. It's a pretty big leap at this point to assume we're abandoning our approach altogether. Did they not sign Defoe, Evans and Baath last year who are all in their 30s? Alex Pritchard too in his late 20s. Yet this season they've made 15 signings and the eldest of those is 24.
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Tezgel
Aug 31, 2022 12:39:00 GMT
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2022 12:39:00 GMT
Did they not sign Defoe, Evans and Baath last year who are all in their 30s? Alex Pritchard too in his late 20s. Yet this season they've made 15 signings and the eldest of those is 24. Presume you're including academy signings in that as I'm only seeing 8 or 9 to the first team. Anyway I don't know much about Sunderland, have they changed owners recently. But looking across the past few seasons, they seem to sign players of all ages. So wouldn't judge them by one window. As for Alex Neil using youth. He's consistently named some of the youngest starting XIs in the league this year so that's a good sign. Looking at the below url. That to me suggests ourselves, Blackpool, Blackburn, Swansea and Sunderland probably have the youngest squads in the league. Given all our injured players are generally younger than their current replacements. Can only imagine that average age starting XI may go down even lower. Especially with young Delap now here too. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/durchschnittsalter/wettbewerb/GB2
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2022 12:43:05 GMT
Yet this season they've made 15 signings and the eldest of those is 24. Presume you're including academy signings in that as I'm only seeing 8 or 9 to the first team. Anyway I don't know much about Sunderland, have they changed owners recently. But looking across the past few seasons, they seem to sign players of all ages. So wouldn't judge them by one window. As for Alex Neil using youth. He's consistently named some of the youngest starting XIs in the league this year so that's a good sign. Looking at the below url. That to me suggests ourselves, Blackpool, Blackburn, Swansea and Sunderland probably have the youngest squads in the league. Given all our injured players are generally younger than their current replacements. Can only imagine that average age starting XI may go down even lower. Especially with young Delap now here too. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/durchschnittsalter/wettbewerb/GB2Neil seems to have judged them by one window doesn't he, and he'll be better informed than us? He wanted some experienced players as well as the younger players to help make them competitive at this level and was continually frustrated. It looks like Louis-Dreyfus became majority shareholder over the summer, which may explain the change in approach.
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2022 12:46:07 GMT
Presume you're including academy signings in that as I'm only seeing 8 or 9 to the first team. Anyway I don't know much about Sunderland, have they changed owners recently. But looking across the past few seasons, they seem to sign players of all ages. So wouldn't judge them by one window. As for Alex Neil using youth. He's consistently named some of the youngest starting XIs in the league this year so that's a good sign. Looking at the below url. That to me suggests ourselves, Blackpool, Blackburn, Swansea and Sunderland probably have the youngest squads in the league. Given all our injured players are generally younger than their current replacements. Can only imagine that average age starting XI may go down even lower. Especially with young Delap now here too. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/durchschnittsalter/wettbewerb/GB2Neil seems to have judged them by one window doesn't he, and he'll be better informed than us? He wanted some experienced players as well as the younger players to help make them competitive at this level and was continually frustrated. I think alot of people seem worried he won't play youth. I think he will though on the basis of that evidence. He signed a young James Maddison and Ben Godfrey at Norwich let's not forget. And probably a few other young players I don't remember either. Looking at this team www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/aufstellung/spielbericht/3856577If we swapped Jagielka, Fosu and Thompson for Souttar, Clarke and Tymon. We'd have the youngest starting XI in the league so far.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2022 12:48:29 GMT
Neil seems to have judged them by one window doesn't he, and he'll be better informed than us? He wanted some experienced players as well as the younger players to help make them competitive at this level and was continually frustrated. I think alot of people seem worried he won't play youth. I think he will though on the basis of that evidence. He signed a young James Maddison and Ben Godfrey at Norwich let's not forget. And probably a few other young players I don't remember either. Looking at this team www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/aufstellung/spielbericht/3856577If we swapped Jagielka, Fosu and Thompson for Souttar, Clarke and Tymon. We'd have the youngest starting XI in the league so far. Agree, I think it's unfounded, seems mainly based on the circumstances surrounding his departure from Sunderland and the vague murmurings from JC about 'direction'.
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Tezgel
Aug 31, 2022 13:14:50 GMT
Post by spiderpuss on Aug 31, 2022 13:14:50 GMT
If it's the difference between getting promoted or giving Tezgel a few minutes, I think I know which option I'd choose.
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Tezgel
Aug 31, 2022 13:42:53 GMT
Post by baystokie on Aug 31, 2022 13:42:53 GMT
Why don't we just wait until the evidence of AN's direction/formation/tactics/strategy/personnel emerges and then comment. At the moment it's all supposition and guesswork and trying to read 'tea leaves'. It may be that he's intent on doing things differently to what he did at PNE and Norwich and Sunderland in which case all the current 'analysis' is irrelevant.
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Tezgel
Aug 31, 2022 14:53:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 14:53:56 GMT
You are wasting your time mate. You are trying to have a discussion with someone who will argue black is white and then white is black. He is "conveniently overlooking" that Durban's comments were most certainly not aimed at the Stoke fans. He had just taken Stoke to Arsenal and put on a defensive masterclass to win 1-0. He was responding to a sneering comment from a London based journalist on the lines of "how dare little old Stoke stifle and beat the wonderfully entertaining Arsenal on their own ground rather than playing attractive football but eventually rolling over and losing". The point Durban was making was that as the away manager he wasn't responsible for "entertaining" the home fans. As a Stoke fan I was delighted with the win! 👍👍👍👍 The conversation, if it was one, was about being entertained and it being suggested it be more important than the result. Personally if we could win every game with panache and style by three/four goals I’d be over the moon and go home happy. If we scrapped a 1-0 win in a hard fought game I’d be exactly the same. The reward for either is three points!! Perhaps I’m simply easily pleased watching Stoke win. The more wins, the more success I’m the same. I don’t need every game to be highly entertaining. That said, I don’t want any game to be boring either. If I had to pick between playing well and losing or playing poorly and winning, I’d always choose the latter. It’s a sport, winning is all that matters. The success of the club matters more to me in the long run than a few poor performances. It’s important for the city, almost as much as it is for the fans.
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Tezgel
Aug 31, 2022 14:55:05 GMT
Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 31, 2022 14:55:05 GMT
👍👍👍👍 The conversation, if it was one, was about being entertained and it being suggested it be more important than the result. Personally if we could win every game with panache and style by three/four goals I’d be over the moon and go home happy. If we scrapped a 1-0 win in a hard fought game I’d be exactly the same. The reward for either is three points!! Perhaps I’m simply easily pleased watching Stoke win. The more wins, the more success I’m the same. I don’t need every game to be highly entertaining. That said, I don’t want any game to be boring either. If I had to pick between playing well and losing or playing poorly and winning, I’d always choose the latter. It’s a sport, winning is all that matters. The success of the club matters more to me in the long run than a few poor performances. It’s important for the city, almost as much as it is for the fans. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
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Post by Northy on Aug 31, 2022 18:11:04 GMT
Do we get to see him signing officially tomorrow?
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Tezgel
Sept 19, 2022 13:50:11 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 19, 2022 13:50:11 GMT
Happy 17th Tezgel. Hopefully a fantastic prospect for us as he signs a professional contract.
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Tezgel
Sept 19, 2022 14:21:39 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 19, 2022 14:21:39 GMT
How long is he out injured by the way?
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Post by banksy1art on Nov 7, 2022 19:23:46 GMT
Tezgel has score two already against derby!
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Tezgel
Nov 7, 2022 19:26:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 19:26:49 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 7, 2022 19:33:47 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench He might be a bit knackered having played tonight.
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Tezgel
Nov 7, 2022 20:04:55 GMT
Post by liathroid on Nov 7, 2022 20:04:55 GMT
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Tezgel
Nov 7, 2022 20:13:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 20:13:48 GMT
Is it not u23's?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 7, 2022 20:20:19 GMT
I think it changed to under 21's this season mate.
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Tezgel
Nov 7, 2022 20:30:11 GMT
Post by liathroid on Nov 7, 2022 20:30:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 20:37:23 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench To me, the worst time to throw a green youngster into a team is when you need to rely on them. They should gain experience in matches of less importance/at times when we are doing well. If he was to come in now, and get shown up, I’d be surprised if the fans didn’t just turn on him as well.
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Post by liathroid on Nov 7, 2022 21:06:15 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 7, 2022 21:18:29 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench To me, the worst time to throw a green youngster into a team is when you need to rely on them. They should gain experience in matches of less importance/at times when we are doing well. If he was to come in now, and get shown up, I’d be surprised if the fans didn’t just turn on him as well. I think you are right. I'd also do what Waddington did and give youngsters their first matches away from home and not under the glare of the home crowd. Throwing Tymon into a losing side and having a mare set his career back two years. He had to go to Portugal to recover confidence, and be nursed back into the team by MON and it has paid dividends.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Nov 7, 2022 21:26:52 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench No no no.... Have you not been watching Delap to see how unready for big boy football he is..tezgel is half his size, younger in age and is nowhere near ready.
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Nov 7, 2022 21:33:21 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 7, 2022 21:33:21 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench Why would you need to drop the two of them?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2022 21:37:46 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench No no no.... Have you not been watching Delap to see how unready for big boy football he is..tezgel is half his size, younger in age and is nowhere near ready. Thought Delap looked good against Brum tbf.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 7, 2022 21:37:56 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench No no no.... Have you not been watching Delap to see how unready for big boy football he is..tezgel is half his size, younger in age and is nowhere near ready. Plus lets not get too carried away about a 4-0 win against Derby who's academy has been decimated and they have lost all ten of their games this season.
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Tezgel
Nov 7, 2022 21:48:24 GMT
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Nov 7, 2022 21:48:24 GMT
I'd drop brown and Gayle from the squad and put Tezgel on the bench No no no.... Have you not been watching Delap to see how unready for big boy football he is..tezgel is half his size, younger in age and is nowhere near ready. Like Bursik
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Post by newsteadst3 on Nov 7, 2022 22:08:18 GMT
No no no.... Have you not been watching Delap to see how unready for big boy football he is..tezgel is half his size, younger in age and is nowhere near ready. Thought Delap looked good against Brum tbf. Looked much more of a threat when him and Fosu came on against Brum.
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