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Post by durbanscircus on Jul 31, 2022 17:19:39 GMT
the site is opposite the range. The quarry by fenton baths. This was a hole in the ground 200ft deep which was landfilled with household and other rubbish- if we move our ground from a subsidence riven coalfield to a gigantic landfill tip we will be the worlds first "Submarine Club"...we only go down we never come up
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 31, 2022 17:39:11 GMT
Change the badge. That'll sort everything surely? Never the same since the Icelandics put the blue in it.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 31, 2022 17:43:47 GMT
Change the badge. That'll sort everything surely? Never the same since the Icelandics put the blue in it. I thought it was Tony Scholes - it was definitely him that did everything else (scout players, pick the side etc). It was also him that was responsible for Bojan never being the same player after that injury at Rochdale.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 31, 2022 19:14:09 GMT
Never the same since the Icelandics put the blue in it. I thought it was Tony Scholes - it was definitely him that did everything else (scout players, pick the side etc). It was also him that was responsible for Bojan never being the same player after that injury at Rochdale. Also missed that pen v Brighton, and was responsible for a particularly smelly fart somebody did in the Boothen at the Vic in about ‘88 (I think it was v Plymouth)
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Post by scfcrmagic on Aug 1, 2022 2:51:06 GMT
It’s never been the same after we changed the name from “the Britannia” it was our very own “bearpit” . We’ve gone downhill ever since IMO….this not a dig at the Coates family by the way …who have put loads into the club…it’s more about the identity of the stadium ……as for statue of me dad if I have to I’ll be tying a rope to the back of the car ….it’s not going down any hole in the ground ….I’m sure I’d get plenty of help to keep him steady !! Got your back dad !
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Post by redandy on Aug 1, 2022 8:40:38 GMT
On an ex colliery site it’s highly likely the structure will be supported on piles down to a competent strata. Many or all of the recent houses built opposite to screwfix were piled as I had to listen to them being installed for the last few years.
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Post by Davef on Aug 1, 2022 9:05:40 GMT
After lots of subsidence near the Gordon banks statue, we’ve got to be worried about the stadium at this point surely. The pets at home warehouse on the same estate is unused in one half due to subsidence and are relocating to Stafford in 6 months because of it. At some point the stadium will have subsidence damage, no question about it, I’m surprised the club are investing in the ground so heavily because we will have to move at some point due to the nature of the ground beneath it (Old mines and pits)! Can anyone who knows there stuff about structures and safety let me know if it’s a concern? I'll ask again, do you have a link to a story about this subsidence near the Gordon Banks statue?
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 1, 2022 9:08:35 GMT
On an ex colliery site it’s highly likely the structure will be supported on piles down to a competent strata. Many or all of the recent houses built opposite to screwfix were piled as I had to listen to them being installed for the last few years. The stadium was definitely piled as I remember seeing the machines there when it was built. Thought that was common practice though? There were these silly rumours about the ground sinking when it was built.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 1, 2022 9:12:11 GMT
hopefully im not being a dumbass but was there mining in this area at anytime ? surely the land was inspected before condstruction Wow you make me feel very old! how old are you? Yes there was once loads of people employed in the mines and this may come as a shock but also in the pottery industry!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 10:51:50 GMT
On an ex colliery site it’s highly likely the structure will be supported on piles down to a competent strata. Many or all of the recent houses built opposite to screwfix were piled as I had to listen to them being installed for the last few years. The stadium was definitely piled as I remember seeing the machines there when it was built. Thought that was common practice though? There were these silly rumours about the ground sinking when it was built. If you believed the Sentinel and comments on here at the time, we were going to wake up one morning and there would be a giant crater where the ground once was. The Sentinel also ran a story the day of the first game that there were issues with the safety certificate which was completely untrue.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 1, 2022 11:10:54 GMT
The quarry by fenton baths. This was a hole in the ground 200ft deep which was landfilled with household and other rubbish- if we move our ground from a subsidence riven coalfield to a gigantic landfill tip we will be the worlds first "Submarine Club"...we only go down we never come up Steetley Brick marl 'ole we used call it
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Post by Gods on Aug 1, 2022 11:55:16 GMT
This was a hole in the ground 200ft deep which was landfilled with household and other rubbish- if we move our ground from a subsidence riven coalfield to a gigantic landfill tip we will be the worlds first "Submarine Club"...we only go down we never come up Steetley Brick marl 'ole we used call it I used to work for Steetley Brick and Tile a long time ago!
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Post by banksy1art on Aug 1, 2022 13:47:36 GMT
After lots of subsidence near the Gordon banks statue, we’ve got to be worried about the stadium at this point surely. The pets at home warehouse on the same estate is unused in one half due to subsidence and are relocating to Stafford in 6 months because of it. At some point the stadium will have subsidence damage, no question about it, I’m surprised the club are investing in the ground so heavily because we will have to move at some point due to the nature of the ground beneath it (Old mines and pits)! Can anyone who knows there stuff about structures and safety let me know if it’s a concern? I'll ask again, do you have a link to a story about this subsidence near the Gordon Banks statue? its referenced somewhere in the link below. it was also on the sentinel not long ago but I can’t find it.. www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/january/28/supporters-council-meeting-minutes/
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Post by backintheday on Aug 1, 2022 13:51:10 GMT
The area on which the ground is built would fall on the safety pillar left to support the colliery mineshafts. This was a area in which no mining was allowed to take place to preserve te integrity of the 1000 m + shafts ( believe me you don’t want a kink in the shafts when your travelling up and down in a cage !!! ) the ground was built up on colliery waste but the material used was “cemented tailings” ie waste bonded with an enourmous amount of cement mixed with it to stabilise the area. the groundwork’s also had approx 3000 piles ( if memory is correct although at my age I’m not so sure😳) sunk.
if it is sinking it’s probably due to the weight of expectation 😜
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 1, 2022 13:52:22 GMT
So it's the path that leads down to the stadium from the statue? Hardly worth worrying about, it's a steep bank with a bit of a drop on one side that gets thousands of people up and down it for 9 months of the year. It's bound to suffer some movement from time to time.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Aug 1, 2022 13:53:18 GMT
Doesn't particularly sound like it's a massive panic story about a gaping chasm threatening to swallow the stadium whole into the Upside Down.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 1, 2022 15:00:09 GMT
Haven't we been linked with vecna ?
i think he's a goalkeeper
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Post by walrus on Aug 1, 2022 15:59:45 GMT
Remember when it was “The Bearpit” or “Fortress Britannia”?
In the early Prem years it was seen as one of the most individual and interesting places in the country to watch football.
It’s only soulless when the football’s crap, which sadly it is at the moment.
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Post by Davef on Aug 1, 2022 16:04:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 16:07:11 GMT
At this rate if all is to be believed, come next month the Gordon Banks statue will just be an arm sticking out of the ground just like the Statue of Liberty at the end of Planet of The Apes. (Spoiler alert)
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Post by magwitch on Aug 1, 2022 16:07:17 GMT
There are subsidence problems in many parts of the Potteries, but anyone familiar with West Parade, fenton, will know that this is definitely a subsidence black spot, and it is not far from the BET365. The stadium itself is on the site of the old Stafford Number 2 colliery and it would appear that it has been built on a deep infill site. I was not in this area in the nineties due to work in the Northern Isles, so everything I know is second hand and I can only give an opinion which may not be accurate. However I did write to Jes Moxey before the stadium was built to say I thought it was not big enough. I received no reply. My experience of Moxey suggested that he was not the right person to handle a project such as this, and the speed (less than 12 months) and the cost suggested to me that saving money was a prime consideration.From memory (which may be faulty) the job was a design and build carried out by Wimpy who are not known for their expertise in deep foundations. This is a very specialised business, which I know having worked for Soil Mechanics in Chelsea in the late sixties before emigrating to Australia.Soil Mechanics were owned by Mowlems and had a strong relationship with Professor Skempton of Imperial College at the time. If the foundations had been investigated and designed by a specialist firm such as Soil Mechanics, the cost would have increased considerably as would the time taken to complete the job, so I guess the whole problem was pushed under the carpet. It is quite possible that nothing will happen for years, if at all, but BET365 now own the stadium so it is up to John Coates to ensure the risk is fully covered.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 16:07:34 GMT
Even with those meetings it seems very much it's the wording from someone on the council or a fan?
"The Club stated that they will have to investigate the subsidence claim."
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Post by march4 on Aug 1, 2022 16:54:54 GMT
Over the decades, plenty of buildings in the Longton area have fallen down or had to be demolished due to subsidence.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 1, 2022 17:24:38 GMT
Let's hope that, if there is a problem with subsidence, we have 100% bombproof insurance cover. I am old enough to remember the debacle when the roof blew off the Butler Street stand, I could not cope with a repeat of that unhappy time in our history! I reckon the owners are in a bit more of a better position now to finance such issues should they ever arrive. I cant see us having to sell Clucas to pay for it Ten bob would never cover it!
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Post by questionable on Aug 1, 2022 17:28:32 GMT
On an ex colliery site it’s highly likely the structure will be supported on piles down to a competent strata. Many or all of the recent houses built opposite to screwfix were piled as I had to listen to them being installed for the last few years. The stadium was definitely piled as I remember seeing the machines there when it was built. Thought that was common practice though? There were these silly rumours about the ground sinking when it was built. Funnily enough when I popped down to the ground today a number of blokes walked past me with canaries in cages, no idea why though....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 17:34:23 GMT
The stadium was definitely piled as I remember seeing the machines there when it was built. Thought that was common practice though? There were these silly rumours about the ground sinking when it was built. Funnily enough when I popped down to the ground today a number of blokes walked past me with canaries in cages, no idea why though.... Norwich spies in plain sight.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 1, 2022 17:43:35 GMT
I would think that the stadium has been built on a raft supported by concrete piles as already suggested. Usual practice for problem groundwork
Having lived around the area and used it as a route from Trent Vale to Blurton long before any development and being aware it was a poorly drained swamp, I feel sorry for anyone buying houses around that area.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 17:55:04 GMT
The stadium was definitely piled as I remember seeing the machines there when it was built. Thought that was common practice though? There were these silly rumours about the ground sinking when it was built. Funnily enough when I popped down to the ground today a number of blokes walked past me with canaries in cages, no idea why though.... 😁😁😁😁
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Post by davethebass on Aug 1, 2022 18:06:28 GMT
Steetley Brick marl 'ole we used call it I used to work for Steetley Brick and Tile a long time ago! Well, that's where you used get your marl from! I remember the wagons going in and out when I was a kid. Was the only marl hole i didn't dare go play in, thought I might fall in!
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Post by questionable on Aug 1, 2022 18:53:09 GMT
Many a day spent on a marl hole throwing dumped/reject plates, cups and teapots at one another, also recall throwing small china animals, weebies or something like that ???
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