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Post by deeside2 on Oct 27, 2023 21:04:51 GMT
After the poor performances over the past few years and the poor results before the World Cup I think we'd have been happy with 3rd place. There's lots of work needed though as we're light years behind Ireland, France, NZ and SA.
I'm still not happy with Borthwick as I don't think he is capable of achieving what's needed. Just hope he can prove me wrong.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 27, 2023 21:12:09 GMT
Dallaglio summed it up perfectly. They're not the third best team in the tournament and the draw has been kind but that's a good outcome for that side.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 28, 2023 5:16:16 GMT
Dallaglio summed it up perfectly. They're not the third best team in the tournament and the draw has been kind but that's a good outcome for that side. If the result has any impact on the seeding for the next world cup it's a much better outcome than should have been expected. |
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Post by professorplump on Oct 28, 2023 7:36:21 GMT
Great effort to finish third. Yes we had an easy draw but you can only beat the teams in front of you, and we were only a point away from the final. Australia and Wales also had easy draws but didn't make the most of them. I am not a great fan of Borthwick but in fairness to him, he was parachuted in just before the Six Nations and didn't have much time to make a mark. With a number of players retiring he will have the opportunity to reshape and rebuild the team and hopefully a more enterprising style will evolve.
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Post by professorplump on Oct 28, 2023 17:16:36 GMT
So on to the final. I understand that South Africa have only one back on the bench which is an extraordinary risk to take. I think New Zealand will win quite comfortably tonight by 10-15 points.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 28, 2023 19:39:31 GMT
This is becoming farcical. There’s no dirtier team than the Springboks yet they never seem to get punished.
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Post by AlliG on Oct 28, 2023 19:52:47 GMT
This is becoming farcical. There’s no dirtier team than the Springboks yet they never seem to get punished. It's unfortunate that the game is likely to be decided by red and yellow cards, but, the challenge from Kane was every bit as bad as the ones that have earned Farrell a number of recent bans. It seems that South Africa know just where the "foul play" line is and somehow manage to remain in the "corridor of uncertainty" for the referee. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 28, 2023 19:58:24 GMT
This is becoming farcical. There’s no dirtier team than the Springboks yet they never seem to get punished. It's unfortunate that the game is likely to be decided by red and yellow cards, but, the challenge from Kane was every bit as bad as the ones that have earned Farrell a number of recent bans. It seems that South Africa know just where the "foul play" line is and somehow manage to remain in the "corridor of uncertainty" for the referee. The games so fast that people are going to start playing for fouls if that’s the rules. |
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Post by noustie on Oct 28, 2023 20:18:43 GMT
How's that one apparently only staying yellow - he twatted him square in the coupon!
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 28, 2023 20:22:49 GMT
How's that one apparently only staying yellow - he twatted him square in the coupon! I’m beginning to think it’s fixed for South Africa to win. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 28, 2023 20:24:40 GMT
What a try
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 28, 2023 21:02:28 GMT
I don't really get all the rules but my understanding is that SA got some very generous refereeing decisions in the quarter and semi, and sounds like the final too?
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Post by Gods on Oct 28, 2023 21:04:39 GMT
gawd, that was all a bit unsatisfactory.
NZ by far the better team and the only team trying to play any rugby and they've lost the match.
Hohum...
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 28, 2023 21:05:22 GMT
It’s a joke. They didn’t win that trophy they were gifted it by officials and TMO.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2023 21:07:07 GMT
Underwhelming final.
Apart from Quarter Finals weekend it’s been a pretty dull tournament……..
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 28, 2023 21:07:29 GMT
It’s a joke. They didn’t win that trophy they were gifted it by officials and TMO. What did they get wrong? (I'm not a regular watcher) |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 28, 2023 21:09:10 GMT
Only one team deserved to win that.
And they didn’t win.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 28, 2023 21:16:55 GMT
The red was a red, judging by the England red card. Harsh, but that's the rules.
The yellow was not even a yellow imo. Fair tackle - the ball carrier dropped his head down.
I am not biased I have relatives in NZ who will be gutted.
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Post by deeside2 on Oct 28, 2023 21:27:51 GMT
Disappointing final and result as I really didn’t want SA to win. They do seem to get an unusually high number of decisions go their way compared to other teams. Overall I think the World Cup has been very disappointing apart from the QF weekend as most other games have been pretty one sided. The 2027 World Cup might see even more with the number of teams increased to 24. The standard and consistency of refereeing on and off the pitch certainly needs to improve.
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Post by Gods on Oct 28, 2023 21:39:40 GMT
South Africa won the QF's, SF's and the Final by 1 point.
Adds new meaning to the word 'brinksmanship'.
Well either that or they were dead lucky!
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Post by professorplump on Oct 29, 2023 0:23:23 GMT
I disagree with a few of you in that I think the refereeing was good in the final. I thought Cane's tackle was a definite red by the letter of the law and there were enough mitigating factors for the South African one to stay yellow. I thought the earlier incident when the New Zealander took out the South African hooker was a bit borderline as well. The Boks were nearly made to pay for not having a hooker on the bench as they lost quite a few lineouts on their throw. I thought NZ actually seemed to play better when they went a man down.
As for the tournament, I enjoyed it, there were quite a few close games, countries like Portugal and Fiji provided some good moments. I think the pool stage went on too long and this is being addressed in the next World Cup with smaller groups and an extra knockout round.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 29, 2023 8:05:22 GMT
I think SA deserve a bit more credit than they're getting.
Yes, you could argue that they were fortunate to squeeze through every knockout game by one point, but the facts are they played all of Scotland, Ireland, France, England and NZ at that tournament, tough games all of them.
Ireland beat them in the group, as did NZ four years ago, that's the nature of the group stages. You can lose a game and still end up champions.
They're an excellent side. Not easy to like, but still excellent.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 30, 2023 10:42:46 GMT
I disagree with a few of you in that I think the refereeing was good in the final. I thought Cane's tackle was a definite red by the letter of the law and there were enough mitigating factors for the South African one to stay yellow. I thought the earlier incident when the New Zealander took out the South African hooker was a bit borderline as well. The Boks were nearly made to pay for not having a hooker on the bench as they lost quite a few lineouts on their throw. I thought NZ actually seemed to play better when they went a man down. As for the tournament, I enjoyed it, there were quite a few close games, countries like Portugal and Fiji provided some good moments. I think the pool stage went on too long and this is being addressed in the next World Cup with smaller groups and an extra knockout round. Good post. I think the SA yellow card was only a yellow because of the NZ red card given earlier. I think the authorities felt they needed to show "balance" but on another day it would not have been a yellow. People don't seem to like the South Africans on this thread. I've never been there but worked with three of them at Teesside and met others and found them very likeable and honourable people. As for NZ they do play the game as hard as anyone and I still remember how they literally dumped Brian O'Driscoll out of a Lions tour with a savage tackle by a pair of their players. |
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Post by noustie on Oct 30, 2023 11:54:42 GMT
I was away for the quarter final weekend so missed most of that but having watched a chunk of the rest it's the first time really come away from a rugby world cup thinking 'meh!'
Think a big thing for me is I have absolutely no idea how the head collision rule works and seems almost every decision is wide open to interpretation 'It's a Tuesday, he's got one eye open, there's more than 10mph wind and he owns two cats so that's just a yellow for me'. I think they're making a mistake too in that when it gets referred away for up to 10 minutes during the yellow we're not hearing those conversations although you get a summary at the end. That's moving toward the mistakes football makes with VAR.
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Post by deeside2 on Oct 30, 2023 12:16:25 GMT
I didn't really want either team to win the Final tbh, but out of the two I just about edged towards NZ. I've been to SA about half a dozen times over the years through work and although most are fairly friendly I found them to be what I'd consider brusque and had almost a "take it or leave it" attitude.
The rugby team are very good and have some excellent players, no question, but they just are so hard to like due to their attitude and demeanour.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Oct 30, 2023 12:38:43 GMT
I didn't really want either team to win the Final tbh, but out of the two I just about edged towards NZ. I've been to SA about half a dozen times over the years through work and although most are fairly friendly I found them to be what I'd consider brusque and had almost a "take it or leave it" attitude. The rugby team are very good and have some excellent players, no question, but they just are so hard to like due to their attitude and demeanour. I've been to SA once. One of my little memories that has stuck with me was seeing a load of youngsters playing rugby on a fairly crowded beach. I remember thinking at the time, I've never seen that anywhere in the world, this country really must like its rugby. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Feb 2, 2024 20:12:17 GMT
This one should be good.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 2, 2024 20:41:59 GMT
Crap game, red has ruined it but Ireland were by far the better team anyway.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 2, 2024 20:55:35 GMT
Crap game, red has ruined it but Ireland were by far the better team anyway. Personally think it's a good game from two best teams in Northern Hemisphere Incredible stupidity from French Player gets a Yellow for High Tackle, could have been Red. Comes back on and does the same thing again for second Yellow. Yep Ireland better team should be father ahead. Wouldn't rule out France coming back. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 2, 2024 21:57:49 GMT
Excellent match, can't see past Ireland winning every match.
Really looking forward to seeing the Lions under Farrell too.
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