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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 15, 2022 9:49:04 GMT
Not so much “token blacks”, he’s drifted into deeply unpleasant coconut territory with his critique. I get what he’s looking to say though - it’s what they say and do that matters not the colour of the skin. And that’s quite correct. But, and it’s a massive but, it does say something about Britain today that the party of the right, as the author of that extended whine says, is producing a more diverse racial group of candidates than the party of the luvey duvey left. He struggles to explain why though, so just slags them off because they see the world differently to him. It is quite impressive that the party which is the whitest and 'malest' of all the parliamentary parties managed to produce such a diverse range of candidates for the leadership. (Ignoring the DUP, of course, where women are an abomination before the Lord). Just 24% of Conservative MPs are female, just 6% non-white. I'm sure the Tory Party wouldn't encourage people to stand, knowing they've got no chance of winning, purely to make it look like a paragon of diversity, that would be far too cynical and woke. That’s probably due to the fact the conservatives tend to select candidates on alleged merit Rather than the ridiculous labour box ticking exercises All female lists don’t over time do females any good
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Post by thevoid on Jul 15, 2022 10:50:45 GMT
It is quite impressive that the party which is the whitest and 'malest' of all the parliamentary parties managed to produce such a diverse range of candidates for the leadership. (Ignoring the DUP, of course, where women are an abomination before the Lord). Just 24% of Conservative MPs are female, just 6% non-white. I'm sure the Tory Party wouldn't encourage people to stand, knowing they've got no chance of winning, purely to make it look like a paragon of diversity, that would be far too cynical and woke. That’s probably due to the fact the conservatives tend to select candidates on alleged merit Rather than the ridiculous labour box ticking exercises All female lists don’t over time do females any good Which is backed up by the strong presence of ethnic minority MPs in the big Tory cabinet jobs- such as the last three Chancellors. Still, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't with the usual fanatics 😀
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 15, 2022 12:40:01 GMT
That’s probably due to the fact the conservatives tend to select candidates on alleged merit Rather than the ridiculous labour box ticking exercises All female lists don’t over time do females any good Which is backed up by the strong presence of ethnic minority MPs in the big Tory cabinet jobs- such as the last three Chancellors. Still, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't with the usual fanatics 😀 It's almost as if "they" think people of colour or women shouldn't be in positions of authority. Racism and misogyny. Not very nice attitudes to possess in this day and age. Actually, not nice in any day and age. Thankfully most folk seem to have moved on from the 70s. Some will always find it a struggle.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 15, 2022 16:46:23 GMT
Which is backed up by the strong presence of ethnic minority MPs in the big Tory cabinet jobs- such as the last three Chancellors. Still, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't with the usual fanatics 😀 It's almost as if "they" think people of colour or women shouldn't be in positions of authority. Racism and misogyny. Not very nice attitudes to possess in this day and age. Actually, not nice in any day and age. Thankfully most folk seem to have moved on from the 70s. Some will always find it a struggle. It's almost as if ethnic minority MPs carving out a decent career suddenly becomes anathema if they have the brass neck to be Tory- as evidenced by Clive Lewis' ramblings from a couple of years ago- a classic case of 'bigotry of low expectations': inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-frontbencher-clive-lewis-accuses-tory-bame-cabinet-members-of-selling-souls-and-self-respect-319362These attitudes don't stop with MPs either. On these very pages we had Momo calling Lyle Taylor a 'Tory c*nt' (BLM soon went out of the window there!) and on Twatter Calvin Robinson was labelled a 'house negro' for being black and conservative: (Whisper it quietly, but it's almost as if some elements of the left are more obsessed with race and race-baiting than the right, as it's keeping them 'in business' 😗)
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Post by metalhead on Jul 16, 2022 7:47:54 GMT
It's almost as if "they" think people of colour or women shouldn't be in positions of authority. Racism and misogyny. Not very nice attitudes to possess in this day and age. Actually, not nice in any day and age. Thankfully most folk seem to have moved on from the 70s. Some will always find it a struggle. It's almost as if ethnic minority MPs carving out a decent career suddenly becomes anathema if they have the brass neck to be Tory- as evidenced by Clive Lewis' ramblings from a couple of years ago- a classic case of 'bigotry of low expectations': inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-frontbencher-clive-lewis-accuses-tory-bame-cabinet-members-of-selling-souls-and-self-respect-319362These attitudes don't stop with MPs either. On these very pages we had Momo calling Lyle Taylor a 'Tory c*nt' (BLM soon went out of the window there!) and on Twatter Calvin Robinson was labelled a 'house negro' for being black and conservative: (Whisper it quietly, but it's almost as if some elements of the left are more obsessed with race and race-baiting than the right, as it's keeping them 'in business' 😗) I care little for the Tory party or the right in general, as I've always positioned myself slightly left (y'know, social welfare, higher taxes for the crazy rich, decent funding for public services, while always maintaining a capitalist system) - I come from a Labour household... That said, what you are pointing out here seems to ring surprisingly true for a lot of the 'dangerous left', as I refer it. If you have any kind of minority status, then all they want is to align with you. Dare free-think or consider their position contrary to your beliefs and watch them become wolves. The most obvious example in recent years that I can think of is Priti Patel. Whatever you think of her policies, the amount of targeted abuse she has received is as bad as almost any politician I can think of in modern history. Maybe only Dianne Abbot has experienced more. It's basically become fair game to call Priti Patel an uncle Tom, because she is loudly unwilling to align with left wing principals and seems proud of being a conservative. The Guardian infer it on a fairly regular basis. You've got Owen Jones recently accused of viciously bullying HIS OWN COLLEAGUE at the Guardian because she wasn't left wing enough for him. It's fucking crazy and the fact it continues to go pretty much unchecked is dangerous.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 16, 2022 12:13:42 GMT
It's almost as if ethnic minority MPs carving out a decent career suddenly becomes anathema if they have the brass neck to be Tory- as evidenced by Clive Lewis' ramblings from a couple of years ago- a classic case of 'bigotry of low expectations': inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-frontbencher-clive-lewis-accuses-tory-bame-cabinet-members-of-selling-souls-and-self-respect-319362These attitudes don't stop with MPs either. On these very pages we had Momo calling Lyle Taylor a 'Tory c*nt' (BLM soon went out of the window there!) and on Twatter Calvin Robinson was labelled a 'house negro' for being black and conservative: (Whisper it quietly, but it's almost as if some elements of the left are more obsessed with race and race-baiting than the right, as it's keeping them 'in business' 😗) I care little for the Tory party or the right in general, as I've always positioned myself slightly left (y'know, social welfare, higher taxes for the crazy rich, decent funding for public services, while always maintaining a capitalist system) - I come from a Labour household... That said, what you are pointing out here seems to ring surprisingly true for a lot of the 'dangerous left', as I refer it. If you have any kind of minority status, then all they want is to align with you. Dare free-think or consider their position contrary to your beliefs and watch them become wolves. The most obvious example in recent years that I can think of is Priti Patel. Whatever you think of her policies, the amount of targeted abuse she has received is as bad as almost any politician I can think of in modern history. Maybe only Dianne Abbot has experienced more. It's basically become fair game to call Priti Patel an uncle Tom, because she is loudly unwilling to align with left wing principals and seems proud of being a conservative. The Guardian infer it on a fairly regular basis. You've got Owen Jones recently accused of viciously bullying HIS OWN COLLEAGUE at the Guardian because she wasn't left wing enough for him. It's fucking crazy and the fact it continues to go pretty much unchecked is dangerous. The difference is the extreme elements of the left are afforded a bigger platform than the far right because it's a given that the far right are bad. Everyone knows that, and the far right don't try to be something they're not. With the far left, the mentality seems to be 'we're the polar opposite of the right so what we're doing is virtuous even if it's crossing a line'. That has to be how they can justify sending death threats to someone their kangaroo court has deemed to be a TERF for simply stating scientific facts based on empirical evidence, amongst other things
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Post by metalhead on Jul 17, 2022 20:31:35 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Aug 14, 2022 15:57:56 GMT
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 14, 2022 17:16:28 GMT
And here's me thinking that the colour of someone's skin and what religion they follow should have no bearing on their ability to do a job and that people should be chosen on nothing other than merit , how bloody racist of me 🙄😁
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Post by andystokey on Aug 14, 2022 17:48:17 GMT
And here's me thinking that the colour of someone's skin and what religion they follow should have no bearing on their ability to do a job and that people should be chosen on nothing other than merit , how bloody racist of me 🙄😁 Clearly nobody bothered to read it,because that's exactly what he wrote while a black or Asian prime minister would be a historic first, and symbolic of a more relaxed, liberal society, I would rather have a pale, male prime minister who I knew would jettison austerity policies, create a fairer tax system, defend abortion rights, restore trade union power, abandon the Rwanda deportation scheme, take a robust stance on free speech and have a decent plan for social care than someone who might enlarge the diversity spectrum but would rehash the same policies that have helped create the Britain we have today – stalked by stagnation and inequality.
"It is the policies that matter, whoever delivers them.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 14, 2022 17:51:36 GMT
And here's me thinking that the colour of someone's skin and what religion they follow should have no bearing on their ability to do a job and that people should be chosen on nothing other than merit , how bloody racist of me 🙄😁 I think religion is, and should be, a factor on deciding whether someone is worthy of your vote.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 14, 2022 18:18:19 GMT
A lot of people here participating in this staged culture war, which is a deliberate distraction from the climate crisis, and the cost of living crisis.
None of this matters people!
And that most recent guardian article posted here, clearly the writer is deploying irony, there's nothing racist or offensive there. Try not to read the guardian and instead look around for the truth about who is profiting from the current crisis humanity is facing and start caring about that rather than a joke a guardian writer made
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 14, 2022 18:33:21 GMT
And here's me thinking that the colour of someone's skin and what religion they follow should have no bearing on their ability to do a job and that people should be chosen on nothing other than merit , how bloody racist of me 🙄😁 I think religion is, and should be, a factor on deciding whether someone is worthy of your vote. Not mine mate , although I do draw the line at satanism 😁
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Post by metalhead on Aug 14, 2022 21:51:13 GMT
And here's me thinking that the colour of someone's skin and what religion they follow should have no bearing on their ability to do a job and that people should be chosen on nothing other than merit , how bloody racist of me 🙄😁 Clearly nobody bothered to read it,because that's exactly what he wrote while a black or Asian prime minister would be a historic first, and symbolic of a more relaxed, liberal society, I would rather have a pale, male prime minister who I knew would jettison austerity policies, create a fairer tax system, defend abortion rights, restore trade union power, abandon the Rwanda deportation scheme, take a robust stance on free speech and have a decent plan for social care than someone who might enlarge the diversity spectrum but would rehash the same policies that have helped create the Britain we have today – stalked by stagnation and inequality.
"It is the policies that matter, whoever delivers them.
My point was 'why is skin colour being discussed at all' - anything and everything is about race. It's mental.
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