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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2022 17:52:35 GMT
I don't think the analogy really works. See, due to the fence at it's borders, there aren't any guns or knives on the Glastonbury site this weekend and the patrons aren't being mugged and robbed, however if we did the same at the UK borders, then that wouldn't also be true. There would still be plenty of natives/locals/inhabitants willing to have you off, engage in turf wars or human trafficking, fence or no fence. But the less of this kind of stuff coming into the country the quicker and easier it is to eradicated surely. Cut off supply and sooner or later it runs out. I don't think you can determine criminality based on a person's nationality. If we closed our borders completely and expelled every immigrant to have come here in the last 50 years, there would still be tons of criminals in this country. Nevermind our economy collapsing ...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 26, 2022 17:55:23 GMT
But the less of this kind of stuff coming into the country the quicker and easier it is to eradicated surely. Cut off supply and sooner or later it runs out. I don't think you can determine criminality based on a person's nationality. If we closed our borders completely and expelled every immigrant to have come here in the last 50 years, there would still be tons of criminals in this country. Nevermind our economy collapsing ... Yeh I knew I was talking bollocks as soon as it was posted🤣 I do however think the two can be compared albeit on a far more caveated basis.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 26, 2022 18:06:29 GMT
Sigh.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 26, 2022 21:14:33 GMT
Caught Diana Ross' set earlier. Loads of black faces in the crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 0:04:36 GMT
Bloc Party played Glastonbury plenty of times before Jay Z. Their frontman is black British with Nigerian immigrant parents. And nobody batted an eyelid because bloc party is an indie band. It’s almost like Gallagher’s critique (valid or not) had absolutely fuck all to do with race…
The people who write this guff and see the world this way genuinely aren’t well. I truly mean that. They are tapped and maybe beyond the point of return.
But these very same supposedly left-wing liberals never stop to consider that, if all the corporations and vast sections of the powerful are giving so weight and support to their ideas and world views, then maybe just maybe that’s cause for concern?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 27, 2022 3:22:04 GMT
I though Glastonbury was where all the people who don't believe in borders go to listen to music behind a big fuck off fence where millionaire speakers tell all the kids who have paid £200+ how capitalism has failed, cost of living crisis blah blah I must admit I do find that it has an air of smugness about it which I struggle to get past. What's the point in them big fuck off fences if smugness alone will do the job 🤷
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2022 6:24:04 GMT
Bloc Party played Glastonbury plenty of times before Jay Z. Their frontman is black British with Nigerian immigrant parents. And nobody batted an eyelid because bloc party is an indie band. It’s almost like Gallagher’s critique (valid or not) had absolutely fuck all to do with race… The people who write this guff and see the world this way genuinely aren’t well. I truly mean that. They are tapped and maybe beyond the point of return. But these very same supposedly left-wing liberals never stop to consider that, if all the corporations and vast sections of the powerful are giving so weight and support to their ideas and world views, then maybe just maybe that’s cause for concern? Damn fine band were Bloc Party too.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 6:30:37 GMT
Bloc Party played Glastonbury plenty of times before Jay Z. Their frontman is black British with Nigerian immigrant parents. And nobody batted an eyelid because bloc party is an indie band. It’s almost like Gallagher’s critique (valid or not) had absolutely fuck all to do with race… The people who write this guff and see the world this way genuinely aren’t well. I truly mean that. They are tapped and maybe beyond the point of return. But these very same supposedly left-wing liberals never stop to consider that, if all the corporations and vast sections of the powerful are giving so weight and support to their ideas and world views, then maybe just maybe that’s cause for concern? Damn fine band were Bloc Party too. They’re still going, just completed a U.K. tour and have an album out👍🏻
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2022 6:31:20 GMT
Damn fine band were Bloc Party too. They’re still going, just completed a U.K. tour and have an album out👍🏻 Cool lost track of music a bit. I’ll look them up.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 27, 2022 9:08:32 GMT
this board is so right wing
im disgusted!!!!
Glasto looked amazing this year, a great mix of artists, something for all tastes
my cousin went and im very jealous, i will go myself one day but fuck sleeping in a tent with a bunch of hippies round me, motorhome for me, my own bog and space!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2022 11:18:48 GMT
this board is so right wing im disgusted!!!! Glasto looked amazing this year, a great mix of artists, something for all tastes my cousin went and im very jealous, i will go myself one day but fuck sleeping in a tent with a bunch of hippies round me, motorhome for me, my own bog and space!
You'll be lucky to spot any hippies at Glastonbury nowadays mate!
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 27, 2022 11:39:21 GMT
I thought Glastonbury was a music festival? Donnington is a rock festival It's licence is granted on being a 'performing arts' festival. It's why there is also such a heavy emphasis on the non-music side of things (not that the media are that interested in it) such as cinema, theatre, workshops etc..
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Post by flea79 on Jun 27, 2022 13:03:04 GMT
this board is so right wing im disgusted!!!! Glasto looked amazing this year, a great mix of artists, something for all tastes my cousin went and im very jealous, i will go myself one day but fuck sleeping in a tent with a bunch of hippies round me, motorhome for me, my own bog and space! You'll be lucky to spot any hippies at Glastonbury nowadays mate! fine sandal wearing lib dem voting lefties! the nearest thing we have to a hippy these days
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 27, 2022 13:16:35 GMT
Bloc Party played Glastonbury plenty of times before Jay Z. Their frontman is black British with Nigerian immigrant parents. And nobody batted an eyelid because bloc party is an indie band. It’s almost like Gallagher’s critique (valid or not) had absolutely fuck all to do with race… The people who write this guff and see the world this way genuinely aren’t well. I truly mean that. They are tapped and maybe beyond the point of return. But these very same supposedly left-wing liberals never stop to consider that, if all the corporations and vast sections of the powerful are giving so weight and support to their ideas and world views, then maybe just maybe that’s cause for concern? I think you are right Tom, if we see and " exploit " the race issue in everything , at all times , emphasising difference, which does seem to be a trait of the white " Left" then we will never be allowed to move on. The white 5 and 6 year olds of today are already doomed to be racist. Which is a different thing from saying that racism is an issue and needs addressing which of course is true. Historical benefits of racism may need to be acknowledged, but not constantly so and not if we are actually" living in the present moment. "...on separate occasions , two of my young Muslim students have said ( explicitly)" This is the best country in the world for a young Muslim to grow up in. I love this country"...said with a sincerity and genuinely so, often lacking in other demographics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 19:19:05 GMT
Bloc Party played Glastonbury plenty of times before Jay Z. Their frontman is black British with Nigerian immigrant parents. And nobody batted an eyelid because bloc party is an indie band. It’s almost like Gallagher’s critique (valid or not) had absolutely fuck all to do with race… The people who write this guff and see the world this way genuinely aren’t well. I truly mean that. They are tapped and maybe beyond the point of return. But these very same supposedly left-wing liberals never stop to consider that, if all the corporations and vast sections of the powerful are giving so weight and support to their ideas and world views, then maybe just maybe that’s cause for concern? I think you are right Tom, if we see and " exploit " the race issue in everything , at all times , emphasising difference, which does seem to be a trait of the white " Left" then we will never be allowed to move on. The white 5 and 6 year olds of today are already doomed to be racist. Which is a different thing from saying that racism is an issue and needs addressing which of course is true. Historical benefits of racism may need to be acknowledged, but not constantly so and not if we are actually" living in the present moment. "...on separate occasions , two of my young Muslim students have said ( explicitly)" This is the best country in the world for a young Muslim to grow up in. I love this country"...said with a sincerity and genuinely so, often lacking in other demographics. Not that anyone other than me (and ange) follow the squash - but Mohammed ElShorbaghy (amazing squash player) has just switched allegiance from Egypt to England and will be giving an almighty boost to the England team at the team championships; having moved here when he was 15 to train under a former legend , gaining citizenship and then settling in Bristol. If this was a fundamentally racist and hostile country then things like this wouldn’t happen, but I’m sure people like Mo professing their love for the country are like nails on a chalkboard to certain guardian columnists.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 19:20:31 GMT
I think you are right Tom, if we see and " exploit " the race issue in everything , at all times , emphasising difference, which does seem to be a trait of the white " Left" then we will never be allowed to move on. The white 5 and 6 year olds of today are already doomed to be racist. Which is a different thing from saying that racism is an issue and needs addressing which of course is true. Historical benefits of racism may need to be acknowledged, but not constantly so and not if we are actually" living in the present moment. "...on separate occasions , two of my young Muslim students have said ( explicitly)" This is the best country in the world for a young Muslim to grow up in. I love this country"...said with a sincerity and genuinely so, often lacking in other demographics. Not that anyone other than me (and ange) follow the squash - but Mohammed ElShorbaghy (amazing squash player) has just switched allegiance from Egypt to England and will be giving an almighty boost to the England team at the team championships; having moved here when he was 15 to train under a former legend , gaining citizenship and then settling in Bristol. If this was a fundamentally racist and hostile country then things like this wouldn’t happen, but I’m sure people like Mo professing their love for the country are like nails on a chalkboard to certain guardian columnists. Oh it’s like garlic to a vampire to that woke shitrag.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 27, 2022 19:24:36 GMT
Bloc Party played Glastonbury plenty of times before Jay Z. Their frontman is black British with Nigerian immigrant parents. And nobody batted an eyelid because bloc party is an indie band. It’s almost like Gallagher’s critique (valid or not) had absolutely fuck all to do with race… The people who write this guff and see the world this way genuinely aren’t well. I truly mean that. They are tapped and maybe beyond the point of return. But these very same supposedly left-wing liberals never stop to consider that, if all the corporations and vast sections of the powerful are giving so weight and support to their ideas and world views, then maybe just maybe that’s cause for concern? Damn fine band were Bloc Party too. Absolutely brilliant live saw them at Keele must have been ten years back now. Quality.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 27, 2022 22:49:13 GMT
Perhaps only remotely relevant to the thread, but I find Nana a very articulate presenter ( no ulterior or otherwise motive or hidden agenda in posting accidental or intentional). www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/23/gary-lineker-receiving-racist-abuse-former-footballer-racismIs Lineker correct , as at least one poster has argued, it is possible to suffer from racism ( is there still such a thing as " colour prejudice?) Through appearing to be dark skinned, but does it apply to Lineker. I'm not necessarily denying his experience. Apologies if this story has appeared somewhere else on the Oatcake, I've not read alot of it recently. fb.watch/dVXupdiNpo/A peculiar phrase to use ' as white as English' 'To the amazement (and dismay) of many, Lineker recently revealed that he faced racist abuse, despite the fact that he is actually ‘as English as they come’. ✍️ Nels Abbey writes for Metro.co.uk
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Post by thevoid on Jun 28, 2022 5:58:56 GMT
Not that anyone other than me (and ange) follow the squash - but Mohammed ElShorbaghy (amazing squash player) has just switched allegiance from Egypt to England and will be giving an almighty boost to the England team at the team championships; having moved here when he was 15 to train under a former legend , gaining citizenship and then settling in Bristol. If this was a fundamentally racist and hostile country then things like this wouldn’t happen, but I’m sure people like Mo professing their love for the country are like nails on a chalkboard to certain guardian columnists. Oh it’s like garlic to a vampire to that woke shitrag. You forgot to add 'race baiting'
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 28, 2022 7:05:37 GMT
Perhaps only remotely relevant to the thread, but I find Nana a very articulate presenter ( no ulterior or otherwise motive or hidden agenda in posting accidental or intentional). www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/23/gary-lineker-receiving-racist-abuse-former-footballer-racismIs Lineker correct , as at least one poster has argued, it is possible to suffer from racism ( is there still such a thing as " colour prejudice?) Through appearing to be dark skinned, but does it apply to Lineker. I'm not necessarily denying his experience. Apologies if this story has appeared somewhere else on the Oatcake, I've not read alot of it recently. fb.watch/dVXupdiNpo/A peculiar phrase to use ' as white as English' 'To the amazement (and dismay) of many, Lineker recently revealed that he faced racist abuse, despite the fact that he is actually ‘as English as they come’. ✍️ Nels Abbey writes for Metro.co.uk He's put his foot in it by saying "as English as they come" when he would've been better saying "as white as they come" (which is what I assume he meant), but in terms of the outrage of the story - it really depends on whether he's telling the truth that he was on the end of abuse that could be deemed racist. Without naming names and actually knowing the words used, it's difficult to say. It also leads onto the question about whether racist abuse (or homophobic abuse etc) is still classed as such if it is incorrectly applied to someone? I tend to think it is. For example, if someone assaulted me because they thought I was gay, even though I'm not gay then it is still a homophobic attack isn't it (because the attack took place due to the attacker's hatred of gay people)?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 28, 2022 7:29:31 GMT
Perhaps only remotely relevant to the thread, but I find Nana a very articulate presenter ( no ulterior or otherwise motive or hidden agenda in posting accidental or intentional). www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/23/gary-lineker-receiving-racist-abuse-former-footballer-racismIs Lineker correct , as at least one poster has argued, it is possible to suffer from racism ( is there still such a thing as " colour prejudice?) Through appearing to be dark skinned, but does it apply to Lineker. I'm not necessarily denying his experience. Apologies if this story has appeared somewhere else on the Oatcake, I've not read alot of it recently. fb.watch/dVXupdiNpo/A peculiar phrase to use ' as white as English' 'To the amazement (and dismay) of many, Lineker recently revealed that he faced racist abuse, despite the fact that he is actually ‘as English as they come’. ✍️ Nels Abbey writes for Metro.co.uk He's put his foot in it by saying "as English as they come" when he would've been better saying "as white as they come" (which is what I assume he meant), but in terms of the outrage of the story - it really depends on whether he's telling the truth that he was on the end of abuse that could be deemed racist. Without naming names and actually knowing the words used, it's difficult to say. It also leads onto the question about whether racist abuse (or homophobic abuse etc) is still classed as such if it is incorrectly applied to someone? I tend to think it is. For example, if someone assaulted me because they thought I was gay, even though I'm not gay then it is still a homophobic attack isn't it (because the attack took place due to the attacker's hatred of gay people)? I'd agree with that Rip, but it just seems to me that Lineker has a platform above his station on many issues in the impartial BBC . There's something about him that for me says " he hasn't really grown up"....whatever I mean by that.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 15, 2022 6:18:13 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 15, 2022 6:40:04 GMT
Not so much “token blacks”, he’s drifted into deeply unpleasant coconut territory with his critique. I get what he’s looking to say though - it’s what they say and do that matters not the colour of the skin. And that’s quite correct. But, and it’s a massive but, it does say something about Britain today that the party of the right, as the author of that extended whine says, is producing a more diverse racial group of candidates than the party of the luvey duvey left. He struggles to explain why though, so just slags them off because they see the world differently to him.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2022 6:48:56 GMT
Not so much “token blacks”, he’s drifted into deeply unpleasant coconut territory with his critique. I get what he’s looking to say though - it’s what they say and do that matters not the colour of the skin. And that’s quite correct. But, and it’s a massive but, it does say something about Britain today that the party of the right, as the author of that extended whine says, is producing a more diverse racial group of candidates than the party of the luvey duvey left. He struggles to explain why though, so just slags them off because they see the world differently to him. It is quite impressive that the party which is the whitest and 'malest' of all the parliamentary parties managed to produce such a diverse range of candidates for the leadership. (Ignoring the DUP, of course, where women are an abomination before the Lord). Just 24% of Conservative MPs are female, just 6% non-white. I'm sure the Tory Party wouldn't encourage people to stand, knowing they've got no chance of winning, purely to make it look like a paragon of diversity, that would be far too cynical and woke.
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Post by foster on Jul 15, 2022 7:03:37 GMT
He's put his foot in it by saying "as English as they come" when he would've been better saying "as white as they come" (which is what I assume he meant), but in terms of the outrage of the story - it really depends on whether he's telling the truth that he was on the end of abuse that could be deemed racist. Without naming names and actually knowing the words used, it's difficult to say. It also leads onto the question about whether racist abuse (or homophobic abuse etc) is still classed as such if it is incorrectly applied to someone? I tend to think it is. For example, if someone assaulted me because they thought I was gay, even though I'm not gay then it is still a homophobic attack isn't it (because the attack took place due to the attacker's hatred of gay people)? I'd agree with that Rip, but it just seems to me that Lineker has a platform above his station on many issues in the impartial BBC . There's something about him that for me says " he hasn't really grown up"....whatever I mean by that. I'm not a fan of Lineker tbh. There's something about him I just don't trust and he doesn't come across as sincere....to me anyway. He also comes across a bit thick to me, yet as smug and smarmy as they come with a false air of intelligence. He should stick to football rather than come out with ridiculous comments like this.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 15, 2022 7:05:15 GMT
Not so much “token blacks”, he’s drifted into deeply unpleasant coconut territory with his critique. I get what he’s looking to say though - it’s what they say and do that matters not the colour of the skin. And that’s quite correct. But, and it’s a massive but, it does say something about Britain today that the party of the right, as the author of that extended whine says, is producing a more diverse racial group of candidates than the party of the luvey duvey left. He struggles to explain why though, so just slags them off because they see the world differently to him. It is quite impressive that the party which is the whitest and 'malest' of all the parliamentary parties managed to produce such a diverse range of candidates for the leadership. (Ignoring the DUP, of course, where women are an abomination before the Lord). Just 24% of Conservative MPs are female, just 6% non-white. I'm sure the Tory Party wouldn't encourage people to stand, knowing they've got no chance of winning, purely to make it look like a paragon of diversity, that would be far too cynical and woke. You raise an interesting point, then ruin it by making a smart arse point.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2022 7:07:23 GMT
It is quite impressive that the party which is the whitest and 'malest' of all the parliamentary parties managed to produce such a diverse range of candidates for the leadership. (Ignoring the DUP, of course, where women are an abomination before the Lord). Just 24% of Conservative MPs are female, just 6% non-white. I'm sure the Tory Party wouldn't encourage people to stand, knowing they've got no chance of winning, purely to make it look like a paragon of diversity, that would be far too cynical and woke. You raise an interesting point, then ruin it by making a smart arse point. Partick's gotta partick.
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Post by foster on Jul 15, 2022 7:16:43 GMT
You raise an interesting point, then ruin it by making a smart arse point. Partick's gotta partick.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 15, 2022 8:11:16 GMT
You raise an interesting point, then ruin it by making a smart arse point. Partick's gotta partick. Whiner's gotta whine.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2022 9:29:19 GMT
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