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Post by metalhead on Jun 26, 2022 8:15:43 GMT
When they're not on a crusade to see dangerous terrorists given the red carpet treatment in the UK, they're publishing this kind of nonsense: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/20/big-festivals-glastonbury-so-white-lenny-henry-lack-of-diversity-arts-cultureSome zingers in this article like that this absolute pearl... "We still remember Noel Gallagher’s comments about rapper Jay-Z headlining the Pyramid stage in 2008, describing hip-hop at Glastonbury as “wrong”. The racial undertones in his comment spoke to a niggling feeling that many people in the Black community already had: that Glastonbury was a space for “rock” music (read: white people) and everyone else should sit quietly in the corner or get out." Which is followed less than two paragraphs later by: "Stormzy’s performance was an important moment but the celebration of it obscured the true history of the first Black British act to headline the Pyramid stage: the alternative rock group Skunk Anansie, led by queer Black frontwoman Skin, in 1999." Ahhh, so it's got absolutely fuck all to do with skin colour. The reason Stormzy and shite rappers pretending to be street poets haven't routinely been considered for Glastonbury is because of EXACTLY what Noel said.... It is a rock festival. Skunk Anansie, who were a really good successful rock band (Weak is a banger) made it on the Glastonbury stage. A 30 second google search shows that there is also a large rap and hip hop festival in the UK called Wireless. Not quite as big, but still dead expensive and plenty of people (49k). Of the 10 'featured' artists on their website... One is white. It's almost as if catering to the musical taste of the audience is key to a successful festival. Nah can't be that. Racism. Mind you, if it was up to the Guardian, we'd probably have paedophiles living next door to the swimming baths. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 26, 2022 8:19:31 GMT
Indeed. Then again, what do you expect from the Guardian.
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Post by lordb on Jun 26, 2022 8:55:33 GMT
I thought Glastonbury was a music festival?
Donnington is a rock festival
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Post by thevoid on Jun 26, 2022 9:00:48 GMT
'Glastonbury’s 2022 lineup seems to reflect a need to reach new audiences, featuring acts popular in Black and brown communities such as the rapper Megan Thee Stallion, the Afrobeats star Burna Boy and the American rapper Kendrick Lamar, who will be headlining the Pyramid stage on Sunday.'
So what's your point caller?
’But it will take time for people of colour to feel truly welcomed at festivals.’
Buy a ticket then. Glasto hardly strikes me as a bastion of 'right wingness' (quite the opposite in fact)
'Noel Gallagher’s comments about rapper Jay-Z headlining the Pyramid stage in 2008, describing hip-hop at Glastonbury as “wrong”. The racial undertones in his comment spoke to a niggling feeling'
You brought race into it, not him. Perhaps he just doesn't like hip-hop, which is his right. I don't like opera, doesn't make me anti-Italian!
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 26, 2022 9:07:11 GMT
I thought Glastonbury was a music festival? Donnington is a rock festival I though Glastonbury was where all the people who don't believe in borders go to listen to music behind a big fuck off fence where millionaire speakers tell all the kids who have paid £200+ how capitalism has failed, cost of living crisis blah blah |
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Post by riverman on Jun 26, 2022 9:52:04 GMT
The problem with numpties like Henry is they are being taken in by the media and in particular advertising that there are many more black,Asian and mixed race families in the UK than there actually is due to over representation. Out of a population of around 67 million only about 15% are of ethnic origin. So, if you take festivals as being microcosms of society it stands to reason that there will be predominately white audiences.in my experience black people tend to be quite insular in their musical tastes and are far more interested in black music than say white rock,indie or new wave. White audiences tend to be more open minded and embrace black or world music more readily. I listen to radio 6 music which has very eclectic mix and features a lot of black music, in particular hip-hop and grime/garage etc. I've yet to hear of the likes of say Radiohead or Led Zep turning up on Radio 1 xtra. I've been to many reggae and soul/funk gigs with largely black audiences and never once questioned it. It's a sad but inevitable consequence of the new "woke" era we are now living in that the likes of Lenny Henry and the Grauniad are finding racial problems where there aren't any.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 26, 2022 10:08:14 GMT
The problem with numpties like Henry is they are being taken in by the media and in particular advertising that there are many more black,Asian and mixed race families in the UK than there actually is due to over representation. Out of a population of around 67 million only about 15% are of ethnic origin. So, if you take festivals as being microcosms of society it stands to reason that there will be predominately white audiences.in my experience black people tend to be quite insular in their musical tastes and are far more interested in black music than say white rock,indie or new wave. White audiences tend to be more open minded and embrace black or world music more readily. I listen to radio 6 music which has very eclectic mix and features a lot of black music, in particular hip-hop and grime/garage etc. I've yet to hear of the likes of say Radiohead or Led Zep turning up on Radio 1 xtra. I've been to many reggae and soul/funk gigs with largely black audiences and never once questioned it. It's a sad but inevitable consequence of the new "woke" era we are now living in that the likes of Lenny Henry and the Grauniad are finding racial problems where there aren't any. Spot on. Ultimately people will always have different tastes. I don’t like rap or drill either or the promotion of violence that they appear to glorify but each to there own. It’s an opinion in the end and if other people want to listen to it who am i to stop them. You could adopt this “prejudice” to sport too why do more black lads prefer and play basketball than cricket. It’s a choice in the end. Maybe because of the high number of black players in the NBA that they look on as role models who inspire them. The Guardian and certain posters on social media (both sides) main objective is to divide. We need to get back to letting people do what they want to do without questioning ratios or by trying to address what is deemed a problem by forcing people to change their natural beliefs and what they choose to like. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 26, 2022 10:14:11 GMT
This woman and woke shit rag should be charged with incitement of racial hatred.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 26, 2022 10:24:24 GMT
This woman and woke shit rag should be charged with incitement of racial hatred. To keep the racism doctor in a job, the patient needs to be kept sick. |
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Post by metalhead on Jun 26, 2022 11:13:57 GMT
'Glastonbury’s 2022 lineup seems to reflect a need to reach new audiences, featuring acts popular in Black and brown communities such as the rapper Megan Thee Stallion, the Afrobeats star Burna Boy and the American rapper Kendrick Lamar, who will be headlining the Pyramid stage on Sunday.' So what's your point caller? ’But it will take time for people of colour to feel truly welcomed at festivals.’ Buy a ticket then. Glasto hardly strikes me as a bastion of 'right wingness' (quite the opposite in fact) 'Noel Gallagher’s comments about rapper Jay-Z headlining the Pyramid stage in 2008, describing hip-hop at Glastonbury as “wrong”. The racial undertones in his comment spoke to a niggling feeling' You brought race into it, not him. Perhaps he just doesn't like hip-hop, which is his right. I don't like opera, doesn't make me anti-Italian! Jeremy Corbyn received a huge reception back in 2017, as I remember. It's a solid left wing audience, although definitely not an impoverished one. It's more of a "we live in Gloucestershire in a 5 bedroom house" style of left wing audience. I think it's pretty obvious that Noel Gallaghers views on Jay-Z had jack shit to do with race. The Guardian will represent anything through a dishonest lens if they're given the chance. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Jun 26, 2022 11:45:11 GMT
When they're not on a crusade to see dangerous terrorists given the red carpet treatment in the UK, they're publishing this kind of nonsense: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/20/big-festivals-glastonbury-so-white-lenny-henry-lack-of-diversity-arts-cultureSome zingers in this article like that this absolute pearl... "We still remember Noel Gallagher’s comments about rapper Jay-Z headlining the Pyramid stage in 2008, describing hip-hop at Glastonbury as “wrong”. The racial undertones in his comment spoke to a niggling feeling that many people in the Black community already had: that Glastonbury was a space for “rock” music (read: white people) and everyone else should sit quietly in the corner or get out." Which is followed less than two paragraphs later by: "Stormzy’s performance was an important moment but the celebration of it obscured the true history of the first Black British act to headline the Pyramid stage: the alternative rock group Skunk Anansie, led by queer Black frontwoman Skin, in 1999." Ahhh, so it's got absolutely fuck all to do with skin colour. The reason Stormzy and shite rappers pretending to be street poets haven't routinely been considered for Glastonbury is because of EXACTLY what Noel said.... It is a rock festival. Skunk Anansie, who were a really good successful rock band (Weak is a banger) made it on the Glastonbury stage. A 30 second google search shows that there is also a large rap and hip hop festival in the UK called Wireless. Not quite as big, but still dead expensive and plenty of people (49k). Of the 10 'featured' artists on their website... One is white. It's almost as if catering to the musical taste of the audience is key to a successful festival. Nah can't be that. Racism. Mind you, if it was up to the Guardian, we'd probably have paedophiles living next door to the swimming baths. I continually go to Bluegrass festival here and am horrified by their lack of any relevant English folk music. Days and days of similar themed music catering to people who care. It’s just not right. Would a couple of Tuvan throat singers be too much to ask? I guess, in the modern new. You won’t be allowed to state you have certain musical genres that appeal to you. I’ll start…. I like music. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2022 11:55:58 GMT
I think some people need to check the festival's history.
In 1981 I saw Taj Mahal headline the pyramid stage, Aswad and Matumbi played the Pyramid earlier in the day.
In 1982 i saw Richie Havens headline the Pyramid stage, Aswad, Steel Pulse, Talisman and Black Uhuru also played the Pyramid.
In 1983 I saw King Sunny Ade, Dennis Brown, Aswad and Black Roots all on the Pyramid stage.
In 1984 I saw Fela Kuti headline the Pyramid stage, The Staple Singers and Amazulu also played the main stage.
In 1985 I saw Third World, Gegory Issacs, Aswad, Hugh Masekela and Misty In Roots all on the Pyramid stage.
I could go on and on but I guess it would become quite tedious after a while ...
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Post by lordb on Jun 26, 2022 12:08:10 GMT
I thought Glastonbury was a music festival? Donnington is a rock festival I though Glastonbury was where all the people who don't believe in borders go to listen to music behind a big fuck off fence where millionaire speakers tell all the kids who have paid £200+ how capitalism has failed, cost of living crisis blah blah Well that too... |
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 26, 2022 12:15:22 GMT
I think some people need to check the festival's history. In 1981 I saw Taj Mahal headline the pyramid stage, Aswad and Matumbi played the Pyramid earlier in the day. In 1982 i saw Richie Havens headline the Pyramid stage, Aswad, Steel Pulse, Talisman and Black Uhuru also played the Pyramid. In 1983 I saw King Sunny Ade, Dennis Brown, Aswad and Black Roots all on the Pyramid stage. In 1984 I saw Fela Kuti headline the Pyramid stage, The Staple Singers and Amazulu also played the main stage. In 1985 I saw Third World, Gegory Issacs, Aswad, Hugh Masekela and Misty In Roots all on the Pyramid stage. I could go on and on but I guess it would become quite tedious after a while ... |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 26, 2022 12:19:45 GMT
I thought Glastonbury was a music festival? Donnington is a rock festival I though Glastonbury was where all the people who don't believe in borders go to listen to music behind a big fuck off fence where millionaire speakers tell all the kids who have paid £200+ how capitalism has failed, cost of living crisis blah blah I must admit I do find that it has an air of smugness about it which I struggle to get past. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 26, 2022 13:06:48 GMT
'Glastonbury’s 2022 lineup seems to reflect a need to reach new audiences, featuring acts popular in Black and brown communities such as the rapper Megan Thee Stallion, the Afrobeats star Burna Boy and the American rapper Kendrick Lamar, who will be headlining the Pyramid stage on Sunday.' So what's your point caller? ’But it will take time for people of colour to feel truly welcomed at festivals.’ Buy a ticket then. Glasto hardly strikes me as a bastion of 'right wingness' (quite the opposite in fact) 'Noel Gallagher’s comments about rapper Jay-Z headlining the Pyramid stage in 2008, describing hip-hop at Glastonbury as “wrong”. The racial undertones in his comment spoke to a niggling feeling' You brought race into it, not him. Perhaps he just doesn't like hip-hop, which is his right. I don't like opera, doesn't make me anti-Italian! Jeremy Corbyn received a huge reception back in 2017, as I remember. It's a solid left wing audience, although definitely not an impoverished one. It's more of a "we live in Gloucestershire in a 5 bedroom house" style of left wing audience. I think it's pretty obvious that Noel Gallaghers views on Jay-Z had jack shit to do with race. The Guardian will represent anything through a dishonest lens if they're given the chance. I’m sure like you say it’s got zero to do with race and everything to do with him not being his cup of tea musically. |
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 26, 2022 13:27:16 GMT
I though Glastonbury was where all the people who don't believe in borders go to listen to music behind a big fuck off fence where millionaire speakers tell all the kids who have paid £200+ how capitalism has failed, cost of living crisis blah blah I must admit I do find that it has an air of smugness about it which I struggle to get past. You'll struggle to get past the fence even more ! The general shitness of the line ups ie lack of rock bands has meant its never been a difficult decision on whether to go for me, much preferred Reading / Leeds / Donnington back in the day, now I prefer the weekend boutique festivals like hard rock hell or hard rock aor. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Jun 26, 2022 14:27:20 GMT
I must admit I do find that it has an air of smugness about it which I struggle to get past. You'll struggle to get past the fence even more ! The general shitness of the line ups ie lack of rock bands has meant its never been a difficult decision on whether to go for me, much preferred Reading / Leeds / Donnington back in the day, now I prefer the weekend boutique festivals like hard rock hell or hard rock aor. I don't blame Glasto for erecting a"big fuck off fence" because the last time they didn't erect a huge fuck off fence thousands of folk decided to jump in for free. Now I don't know about you or anybody else but if I were on the inside watching folk jump the fence for free I would be pretty pissed off, just as I would at a football match if the same thing happened... If you want to go to an event buy a ticket it really is that simple! |
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Post by felonious on Jun 26, 2022 14:33:41 GMT
You'll struggle to get past the fence even more ! The general shitness of the line ups ie lack of rock bands has meant its never been a difficult decision on whether to go for me, much preferred Reading / Leeds / Donnington back in the day, now I prefer the weekend boutique festivals like hard rock hell or hard rock aor. I don't blame Glasto for erecting a"big fuck off fence" because the last time they didn't erect a huge fuck off fence thousands of folk decided to jump in for free. Now I don't know about you or anybody else but if I were on the inside watching folk jump the fence for free I would be pretty pissed off, just as I would at a football match if the same thing happened... If you want to go to an event buy a ticket it really is that simple! I suspect it's also something to do with safety of the 200,000 attendees and that small matter of the granting of a safety certificate. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Jun 26, 2022 14:37:48 GMT
I don't blame Glasto for erecting a"big fuck off fence" because the last time they didn't erect a huge fuck off fence thousands of folk decided to jump in for free. Now I don't know about you or anybody else but if I were on the inside watching folk jump the fence for free I would be pretty pissed off, just as I would at a football match if the same thing happened... If you want to go to an event buy a ticket it really is that simple! I suspect it's also something to do with safety of the 200,000 attendees and that small matter of the granting of a safety certificate. Yes definitely mate👍 |
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Post by felonious on Jun 26, 2022 14:39:28 GMT
The ramblings of the dreadful Lenny who's had a fabulous career on the back of very little talent.
Of all the places the Grauniad could point a finger at Glastonbury must rank so low on the scale. A shining bastion to inclusivity, acceptance, diversity, etc, etc, etc.
Probably one of the most accepting crowds you'll find anywhere on the planet.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 26, 2022 14:49:45 GMT
The ramblings of the dreadful Lenny who's had a fabulous career on the back of very little talent. Of all the places the Grauniad could point a finger at Glastonbury must rank so low on the scale. A shining bastion to inclusivity, acceptance, diversity, etc, etc, etc. Probably one of the most accepting crowds you'll find anywhere on the planet. Bang on!! For once😉 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2022 14:50:14 GMT
You'll struggle to get past the fence even more ! The general shitness of the line ups ie lack of rock bands has meant its never been a difficult decision on whether to go for me, much preferred Reading / Leeds / Donnington back in the day, now I prefer the weekend boutique festivals like hard rock hell or hard rock aor. I don't blame Glasto for erecting a"big fuck off fence" because the last time they didn't erect a huge fuck off fence thousands of folk decided to jump in for free. Now I don't know about you or anybody else but if I were on the inside watching folk jump the fence for free I would be pretty pissed off, just as I would at a football match if the same thing happened... If you want to go to an event buy a ticket it really is that simple! Absolutely spot on but to tell you the truth, it was far worse than that. By the mid-90's professional gangs of Northern scallies were coming down (not bothered about the music) to specifically rob the festival attendees. There was plenty of guns on site (I saw them myself) and people were literally being dragged out of their tents and being mugged. There was even turf wars going on between the gangs over who could sell their gear on certain patches. The fence HAD to go up, Michael had resisted doing it for many years (back in the day he and the security turned a blind eye to the fence jumpers) but the festival had simply got too big and by 1995 there was as many people on the site without tickets as there was those with. |
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Post by thevoid on Jun 26, 2022 14:51:16 GMT
The problem with numpties like Henry is they are being taken in by the media and in particular advertising that there are many more black,Asian and mixed race families in the UK than there actually is due to over representation. Out of a population of around 67 million only about 15% are of ethnic origin. So, if you take festivals as being microcosms of society it stands to reason that there will be predominately white audiences.in my experience black people tend to be quite insular in their musical tastes and are far more interested in black music than say white rock,indie or new wave. White audiences tend to be more open minded and embrace black or world music more readily. I listen to radio 6 music which has very eclectic mix and features a lot of black music, in particular hip-hop and grime/garage etc. I've yet to hear of the likes of say Radiohead or Led Zep turning up on Radio 1 xtra. I've been to many reggae and soul/funk gigs with largely black audiences and never once questioned it. It's a sad but inevitable consequence of the new "woke" era we are now living in that the likes of Lenny Henry and the Grauniad are finding racial problems where there aren't any. 'Black people tend to be quite insular in their musical tastes and are far more interested in black music than say white rock,indie or new wave. White audiences tend to be more open minded and embrace black or world music more readily.' That's an interesting point and one that seems to have something in it when you compare the number of white kids who seem to listen to hip hop/grime/soul/rnb and the black kids who gravitate to 'non-MOBO' genres. I'm sure there are many who do, but not in the numbers that go the other way. Not that they have to, it's all personal choice at the end of the day. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2022 14:55:06 GMT
The problem with numpties like Henry is they are being taken in by the media and in particular advertising that there are many more black,Asian and mixed race families in the UK than there actually is due to over representation. Out of a population of around 67 million only about 15% are of ethnic origin. So, if you take festivals as being microcosms of society it stands to reason that there will be predominately white audiences.in my experience black people tend to be quite insular in their musical tastes and are far more interested in black music than say white rock,indie or new wave. White audiences tend to be more open minded and embrace black or world music more readily. I listen to radio 6 music which has very eclectic mix and features a lot of black music, in particular hip-hop and grime/garage etc. I've yet to hear of the likes of say Radiohead or Led Zep turning up on Radio 1 xtra. I've been to many reggae and soul/funk gigs with largely black audiences and never once questioned it. It's a sad but inevitable consequence of the new "woke" era we are now living in that the likes of Lenny Henry and the Grauniad are finding racial problems where there aren't any. 'Black people tend to be quite insular in their musical tastes and are far more interested in black music than say white rock,indie or new wave. White audiences tend to be more open minded and embrace black or world music more readily.' That's an interesting point and one that seems to have something in it when you compare the number of white kids who seem to listen to hip hop/grime/soul/rnb and the black kids who gravitate to 'non-MOBO' genres. I'm sure there are many who do, but not in the numbers that go the other way. Not that they have to, it's all personal choice at the end of the day. Yup, something the original piece has totally overlooked because they simply wouldn't have an actual story to write otherwise. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Jun 26, 2022 14:56:52 GMT
I don't blame Glasto for erecting a"big fuck off fence" because the last time they didn't erect a huge fuck off fence thousands of folk decided to jump in for free. Now I don't know about you or anybody else but if I were on the inside watching folk jump the fence for free I would be pretty pissed off, just as I would at a football match if the same thing happened... If you want to go to an event buy a ticket it really is that simple! Absolutely spot on but to tell you the truth, it was far worse than that. By the mid-90's professional gangs of Northern scallies were coming down (not bothered about the music) to specifically rob the festival attendees. There was plenty of guns on site (I saw them myself) and people were literally being dragged out of their tents and being mugged. There was even turf wars going on between the gangs over who could sell their gear on certain patches. The fence HAD to go up, Michael had resisted doing it for many years (back in the day he and the security turned a blind eye to the fence jumpers) but the festival had simply got too big and by 1995 there was as many people on the site without tickets as there was those with. To be honest Paul I remember reading about this a few years back but had totally forgotten about it! At the end of the day the family have to protect the people within their event and quite rightly so👍 |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 26, 2022 17:30:05 GMT
Absolutely spot on but to tell you the truth, it was far worse than that. By the mid-90's professional gangs of Northern scallies were coming down (not bothered about the music) to specifically rob the festival attendees. There was plenty of guns on site (I saw them myself) and people were literally being dragged out of their tents and being mugged. There was even turf wars going on between the gangs over who could sell their gear on certain patches. The fence HAD to go up, Michael had resisted doing it for many years (back in the day he and the security turned a blind eye to the fence jumpers) but the festival had simply got too big and by 1995 there was as many people on the site without tickets as there was those with. To be honest Paul I remember reading about this a few years back but had totally forgotten about it! At the end of the day the family have to protect the people within their event and quite rightly so👍 Interesting takes you both have 'cos right now in the UK we've got gangs of Afghan's, Turk's, Albanian's, Congolese etc... who're jumping in here for free & showing off their guns & knives etc... Who're having their turf wars over who can sell their gear on certain patches (Along with all the human trafficking, slavery etc...) So at what point are we putting the fence up because we need to protect the people within? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2022 17:40:47 GMT
To be honest Paul I remember reading about this a few years back but had totally forgotten about it! At the end of the day the family have to protect the people within their event and quite rightly so👍 Interesting takes you both have 'cos right now in the UK we've got gangs of Afghan's, Turk's, Albanian's, Congolese etc... who're jumping in here for free & showing off their guns & knives etc... Who're having their turf wars over who can sell their gear on certain patches (Along with all the human trafficking, slavery etc...) So at what point are we putting the fence up because we need to protect the people within? I don't think the analogy really works. See, due to the fence at it's borders, there aren't any guns or knives on the Glastonbury site this weekend and the patrons aren't being mugged and robbed, however if we did the same at the UK borders, then that wouldn't also be true. There would still be plenty of natives/locals/inhabitants willing to have you off, engage in turf wars or human trafficking, fence or no fence. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 26, 2022 17:42:13 GMT
I knew it would be different somehow, always is.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 26, 2022 17:46:35 GMT
Interesting takes you both have 'cos right now in the UK we've got gangs of Afghan's, Turk's, Albanian's, Congolese etc... who're jumping in here for free & showing off their guns & knives etc... Who're having their turf wars over who can sell their gear on certain patches (Along with all the human trafficking, slavery etc...) So at what point are we putting the fence up because we need to protect the people within? I don't think the analogy really works. See, due to the fence at it's borders, there aren't any guns or knives on the Glastonbury site this weekend and the patrons aren't being mugged and robbed, however if we did the same at the UK borders, then that wouldn't also be true. There would still be plenty of natives/locals/inhabitants willing to have you off, engage in turf wars or human trafficking, fence or no fence. But the less of this kind of stuff coming into the country the quicker and easier it is to eradicated surely. Cut off supply and sooner or later it runs out. |
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