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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 24, 2022 13:33:59 GMT
Things that I want from a goalkeeper:
1: Stop shots 2: Gather crosses 3: Command the defensive line ……… Somewhere else: Be able to pass a ball around.
As long as a goalkeeper isn’t bad in their distribution, I really don’t mind.
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Post by independent on Jun 24, 2022 13:38:39 GMT
haven't a clue about Zander but no one seems to have been happy with Bursik since he first got in. If he was sulking in training after being dropped then I would understand him being left out even longer. DWP was restored before him, so there must have been a reason for his longer absence. Being an old fogey, I believe that discipline on and off the pitch is important. If he didn't learn from other players treatment after infractions, then it is his own fault. I'm sure MON has made it clear to all that rules are rules and that they apply to everyone. What has happened to Bayern, I see he has said that a couple of our youngsters are definitely not ready to be part of first team squad.How odd?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 13:40:45 GMT
Things that I want from a goalkeeper: 1: Stop shots 2: Gather crosses 3: Command the defensive line ……… Somewhere else: Be able to pass a ball around. As long as a goalkeeper isn’t bad in their distribution, I really don’t mind. Isn't that what any backward looking football fan wants. Like a CB who heads it and kicks it out. Anyone would think it was successful.
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Post by tachyon on Jun 24, 2022 13:43:06 GMT
How does the average SPL keeper compare to the average keeper in our league? Putting a figure on it, Championship attacks are on average just over 5% more potent than SPL ones. So it'll be a step up, but not a huge one. To compare, the step up from Championship to (English) PL is an order of magnitude bigger.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 24, 2022 13:46:18 GMT
We will have a team of pen pushers with all these Clarks. I can't wait for the ink to dry.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 13:47:48 GMT
haven't a clue about Zander but no one seems to have been happy with Bursik since he first got in. If he was sulking in training after being dropped then I would understand him being left out even longer. DWP was restored before him, so there must have been a reason for his longer absence. Being an old fogey, I believe that discipline on and off the pitch is important. If he didn't learn from other players treatment after infractions, then it is his own fault. I'm sure MON has made it clear to all that rules are rules and that they apply to everyone. What has happened to Bayern, I see he has said that a couple of our youngsters are definitely not ready to be part of first team squad.How odd? At least you know you're an old fogey. A proportionate punishment is proportionate whether he sulked about it or not but you'd have given him something to sulk about lol. So the same rules don't apply to everyone because if you show your unhappiness they apply to you more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 13:48:07 GMT
Things that I want from a goalkeeper: 1: Stop shots 2: Gather crosses 3: Command the defensive line ……… Somewhere else: Be able to pass a ball around. As long as a goalkeeper isn’t bad in their distribution, I really don’t mind. No1 is the main problem with Bursik for me and quite an important one for his position. No point in being able to pass a ball 40 yards if you can't keep it out of the net
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 13:56:48 GMT
Things that I want from a goalkeeper: 1: Stop shots 2: Gather crosses 3: Command the defensive line ……… Somewhere else: Be able to pass a ball around. As long as a goalkeeper isn’t bad in their distribution, I really don’t mind. No1 is the main problem with Bursik for me and quite an important one for his position. No point in being able to pass a ball 40 yards if you can't keep it out of the net So we need better unfortunately this bloke doesn't sound like it. Doesn't come off his line and poor at kicking if the person who claims to be familiar with him is correct.
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Post by GallysGuitar on Jun 24, 2022 13:58:52 GMT
It's 2022. Goalkeepers and defenders must be at least half-decent on the ball.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 14:02:44 GMT
It's 2022. Goalkeepers and defenders must be at least half-decent on the ball. Never mind quick distribution is not effective if you do everything else at snails pace.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 24, 2022 14:07:14 GMT
Watching Dundee United I was amazed Siegrist went to Celtic to be probably number 2 as had thought clubs down South would be sniffing. Zander Clark would have been a very good replacement. He's wanting to be Scotland no 1 so can't see him coming to warm the bench. I'd say he was top end championship quality and stood out for SJ last season despite their defence being wank. Totally agree mate we should have got siegrist. If ever going to any Dundee utd games and need someone to have a pint with message me mate
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 24, 2022 14:09:47 GMT
Things that I want from a goalkeeper: 1: Stop shots 2: Gather crosses 3: Command the defensive line ……… Somewhere else: Be able to pass a ball around. As long as a goalkeeper isn’t bad in their distribution, I really don’t mind. Isn't that what any backward looking football fan wants. Like a CB who heads it and kicks it out. Anyone would think it was successful. There is more than one way to play the game. Personally, I think that the desperation to conform to one way of football will make the game tedious. I know nothing about this goalkeeper, so I can’t say what we may or may not get from him; I was simply stating what my priorities would be in a search to improve what we have. As for a defender, I wouldn’t want anyone who couldn’t do a basic pass, but I’d much rather have one of my two, and definitely one of my three list “ability to tackle, intercept and clear danger” in their strengths column. We are in the Championship after all. No/very few players we get are going to be well rounded and strong in every department. Personally, I think it’s best to get a mix of players who can balance each other’s strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by march4 on Jun 24, 2022 14:30:33 GMT
We don't have a good track record with scottish goal keepers so i will reserve judgement on this one. I remember the nightmare that was Marshall. Lawrie Leslie.
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Post by iamstokie on Jun 24, 2022 14:49:54 GMT
I’d prefer an experienced old head tbh but hey you can’t have everything 😁
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 24, 2022 14:53:07 GMT
Would you go to Australia to buy a snow suit , this has backs up written all over it , history is littered with keeper signings that have changed teams trajectory for the better Shilton at forest , Current incumbents at liverpool and Man City, crossley and sorensen at stoke etc etc we really ahd to get a proper time served keeper
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 14:58:34 GMT
Isn't that what any backward looking football fan wants. Like a CB who heads it and kicks it out. Anyone would think it was successful. There is more than one way to play the game. Personally, I think that the desperation to conform to one way of football will make the game tedious. I know nothing about this goalkeeper, so I can’t say what we may or may not get from him; I was simply stating what my priorities would be in a search to improve what we have. As for a defender, I wouldn’t want anyone who couldn’t do a basic pass, but I’d much rather have one of my two, and definitely one of my three list “ability to tackle, intercept and clear danger” in their strengths column. We are in the Championship after all. No/very few players we get are going to be well rounded and strong in every department. Personally, I think it’s best to get a mix of players who can balance each other’s strengths and weaknesses. Well I'd say as a coach/manager unless you're a footballing visionary you're going to attempt to emulate something that somebody else is doing. As such I'd think it was far better advised to try to emulate something that is currently successful than something that used to be successful decades ago. Don't think you could possibly convince me that all teams being more aventurous would make the game tedious. Tedious to me is defence orientated, slow, low scoring football.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 15:04:31 GMT
I’d prefer an experienced old head tbh but hey you can’t have everything 😁 He's 30, probably roughly a keeper's prime.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jun 24, 2022 15:15:08 GMT
We don't have a good track record with scottish goal keepers so i will reserve judgement on this one. I remember the nightmare that was Marshall. Lawrie Leslie. I can only just remember him never knew he was Scottish did we get him from West ham?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 24, 2022 15:56:32 GMT
There is more than one way to play the game. Personally, I think that the desperation to conform to one way of football will make the game tedious. I know nothing about this goalkeeper, so I can’t say what we may or may not get from him; I was simply stating what my priorities would be in a search to improve what we have. As for a defender, I wouldn’t want anyone who couldn’t do a basic pass, but I’d much rather have one of my two, and definitely one of my three list “ability to tackle, intercept and clear danger” in their strengths column. We are in the Championship after all. No/very few players we get are going to be well rounded and strong in every department. Personally, I think it’s best to get a mix of players who can balance each other’s strengths and weaknesses. Well I'd say as a coach/manager unless you're a footballing visionary you're going to attempt to emulate something that somebody else is doing. As such I'd think it was far better advised to try to emulate something that is currently successful than something that used to be successful decades ago. Don't think you could possibly convince me that all teams being more aventurous would make the game tedious. Tedious to me is defence orientated, slow, low scoring football. But they aren’t emulating it. All we see is slow, tedious possession-based football with limited players who are not going to pass it around like they have suddenly become Barca mid-2000’s. When you watch other Championship teams, it’s largely the same. When you watch much of the Premier League, it’s the same deal as well. Occasionally a team will have a game where everything clicks and we can go “oh, why can’t we play like that all the time”, but for the most part, it’s slow, tedious passing around the back with no end in sight.
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2022 16:45:23 GMT
haven't a clue about Zander but no one seems to have been happy with Bursik since he first got in. If he was sulking in training after being dropped then I would understand him being left out even longer. DWP was restored before him, so there must have been a reason for his longer absence. Being an old fogey, I believe that discipline on and off the pitch is important. If he didn't learn from other players treatment after infractions, then it is his own fault. I'm sure MON has made it clear to all that rules are rules and that they apply to everyone. What has happened to Bayern, I see he has said that a couple of our youngsters are definitely not ready to be part of first team squad.How odd? The reason for the longer absence was Bonham was playing pretty good
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 24, 2022 18:45:33 GMT
That would be a great window. I don't get why people seem so desperate to get rid of Bursik, should we not be trying to develop these kind of players, he still has things to learn but he's still very young and clearly has a lot of potential. He’s a goalkeeper who can’t save shots. That’s a problem.
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Post by march4 on Jun 24, 2022 19:02:58 GMT
I can only just remember him never knew he was Scottish did we get him from West ham? Yes, that’s him. Stayed for about 3 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 19:11:12 GMT
We don't have a good track record with scottish goal keepers so i will reserve judgement on this one. I remember the nightmare that was Marshall. Irrelevant who we signed 20 odd years ago to be fair and how bloody awful they were .
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 24, 2022 19:14:19 GMT
We don't have a good track record with scottish goal keepers so i will reserve judgement on this one. I remember the nightmare that was Marshall. Irrelevant who we signed 20 odd years ago to be fair and how bloody awful they were . It was 29 years ago can you believe 🙁
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 19:16:13 GMT
Irrelevant who we signed 20 odd years ago to be fair and how bloody awful they were . It was 29 years ago can you believe 🙁 😲 I think some still in therapy He certainly hadn't been forgotten 😁
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2022 19:19:43 GMT
Irrelevant who we signed 20 odd years ago to be fair and how bloody awful they were . It was 29 years ago can you believe 🙁 Jordan out
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Post by questionable on Jun 24, 2022 19:50:03 GMT
It was 29 years ago can you believe 🙁 Jordan out Sure I can remember going to Bath Citys ground as one of the Bristol teams were playing their home matches there, Rovers I think, 100% a night match. Right behind the goal when think it was Gordon Marshall who let the slowest shot ever roll under him 🤡🤡🤡
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 20:06:36 GMT
Well I'd say as a coach/manager unless you're a footballing visionary you're going to attempt to emulate something that somebody else is doing. As such I'd think it was far better advised to try to emulate something that is currently successful than something that used to be successful decades ago. Don't think you could possibly convince me that all teams being more aventurous would make the game tedious. Tedious to me is defence orientated, slow, low scoring football. But they aren’t emulating it. All we see is slow, tedious possession-based football with limited players who are not going to pass it around like they have suddenly become Barca mid-2000’s. When you watch other Championship teams, it’s largely the same. When you watch much of the Premier League, it’s the same deal as well. Occasionally a team will have a game where everything clicks and we can go “oh, why can’t we play like that all the time”, but for the most part, it’s slow, tedious passing around the back with no end in sight. Sorry as an argument for agricultural football it’s not working on me.
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2022 20:53:59 GMT
Sure I can remember going to Bath Citys ground as one of the Bristol teams were playing their home matches there, Rovers I think, 100% a night match. Right behind the goal when think it was Gordon Marshall who let the slowest shot ever roll under him 🤡🤡🤡 Easily the worst Stoke City goalkeeper in my lifetime (I'm 50) Even Haugaard was better
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 24, 2022 21:06:05 GMT
Sure I can remember going to Bath Citys ground as one of the Bristol teams were playing their home matches there, Rovers I think, 100% a night match. Right behind the goal when think it was Gordon Marshall who let the slowest shot ever roll under him 🤡🤡🤡 Easily the worst Stoke City goalkeeper in my lifetime (I'm 50) Even Haugaard was better He was shocking but thought Carl Muggleton was horrendous also.
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