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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 24, 2022 12:02:51 GMT
Bursik to go to fund Joao? That would be a great window. I don't get why people seem so desperate to get rid of Bursik, should we not be trying to develop these kind of players, he still has things to learn but he's still very young and clearly has a lot of potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 12:06:57 GMT
That would be a great window. I don't get why people seem so desperate to get rid of Bursik, should we not be trying to develop these kind of players, he still has things to learn but he's still very young and clearly has a lot of potential. We need a decent keeper now. Is ok saying he'll get better etc, nothing to back that up at the moment. This, a keeper is young and will only improve theory been proven not to be true so many times. He may well go on to be a great keeper but our priority should be now ,not hoping it happens. Fielding was an U21 keeper, means little.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 24, 2022 12:06:58 GMT
Sounds a bit fishy to me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 24, 2022 12:10:00 GMT
I don't get why people seem so desperate to get rid of Bursik, should we not be trying to develop these kind of players, he still has things to learn but he's still very young and clearly has a lot of potential. We need a decent keeper now. Is ok saying he'll get better etc, nothing to back that up at the moment. This, a keeper is young and will only improve theory been proven not to be true so many times. He may well go on to be a great keeper but our priority should be now ,not hoping it happens. Fielding was an U21 keeper, means little. So sign the freebie and find Bursik a good loan, I don't see then need to cash in. With a bit of luck he could find a Champ loan, maybe one of the promoted clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 12:11:49 GMT
We need a decent keeper now. Is ok saying he'll get better etc, nothing to back that up at the moment. This, a keeper is young and will only improve theory been proven not to be true so many times. He may well go on to be a great keeper but our priority should be now ,not hoping it happens. Fielding was an U21 keeper, means little. So sign the freebie and find Bursik a good loan, I don't see then need to cash in. With a bit of luck he could find a Champ loan, maybe one of the promoted clubs. Maybe but if we can get a fee and invest elsewhere makes sense. MON hinted at such a thing happening, yesterday was it? I don't see much in Bursik at all to be honest
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 12:15:04 GMT
We need a decent keeper now. Is ok saying he'll get better etc, nothing to back that up at the moment. This, a keeper is young and will only improve theory been proven not to be true so many times. He may well go on to be a great keeper but our priority should be now ,not hoping it happens. Fielding was an U21 keeper, means little. So sign the freebie and find Bursik a good loan, I don't see then need to cash in. With a bit of luck he could find a Champ loan, maybe one of the promoted clubs. What's the point in that if he only has a year left? That ammounts to giving him a free transfer unless he signs a new deal before he goes out on loan which being as he was miffed with how MON handled him last season why would he?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 24, 2022 12:15:16 GMT
So sign the freebie and find Bursik a good loan, I don't see then need to cash in. With a bit of luck he could find a Champ loan, maybe one of the promoted clubs. Maybe but if we can get a fee and invest elsewhere makes sense. MON hinted at such a thing happening, yesterday was it? I don't see much in Bursik at all to be honest I don't think it does tbh unless we're talking 5mil +, he's had some good games for us and personally I don't think he's far of the level. I'll be honest, I don't really care what MON says anymore, its normally total bollocks
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 24, 2022 12:16:21 GMT
So sign the freebie and find Bursik a good loan, I don't see then need to cash in. With a bit of luck he could find a Champ loan, maybe one of the promoted clubs. What's the point in that if he only has a year left? That ammounts to giving him a free transfer unless he signs a new deal before he goes out on loan which being as he was miffed with how MON handled him last season why would he? I didn't realise he only had a year left. In that case, sign the freebie, give Bursik a new contract and THEN find him a good loan.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 24, 2022 12:17:28 GMT
Sounds a bit fishy to me. Don’t worry, nothing in this story it’s only click bait.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 24, 2022 12:18:14 GMT
What could we get for Bursik with one year left on his deal?
£2-3m depending on the buyer?
There's been some speculation that Ben Foster revealed that Watford were bringing in a young up and coming keeper this summer, explaining his departure.
And Bachmann seems to be going to Man Utd for a reported £3m+. If they gave us a big chunk of that, that could be a good deal for everyone.
Their new manager seems to be one who wants a ball-playing keeper, which is Bursik's main strength
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 12:19:22 GMT
What's the point in that if he only has a year left? That ammounts to giving him a free transfer unless he signs a new deal before he goes out on loan which being as he was miffed with how MON handled him last season why would he? I didn't realise he only had a year left. In that case, sign the freebie, give Bursik a new contract and THEN find him a good loan. As I say doubt very much he'd sign it. Plenty of indicators he's not happy. Think MON was pretty heavy handed with him over a curfew breach and benched him for an extended period when Bonham was pretty shit.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 24, 2022 12:22:24 GMT
I didn't realise he only had a year left. In that case, sign the freebie, give Bursik a new contract and THEN find him a good loan. As I say doubt very much he'd sign it. Plenty of indicators he's not happy. Think MON was pretty heavy handed with him over a curfew breach and benched him for an extended period when Bonham was pretty shit. Bloody hell, okay. Sack MON, sign the freebie, give Bursik a new contract and then find him a good loan. Do I have to think of everything I think MON has handled a few players poorly tbh, man management doesn't seem to be one of his strengths. But no, I wouldn't blame him if he wanted out, it just seems a shame that such a promising player is looking likely to leave.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2022 12:22:48 GMT
What's the point in that if he only has a year left? That ammounts to giving him a free transfer unless he signs a new deal before he goes out on loan which being as he was miffed with how MON handled him last season why would he? I didn't realise he only had a year left. In that case, sign the freebie, give Bursik a new contract and THEN find him a good loan. There's no way he'd sign it is there? And I wouldn't blame him.
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2022 12:22:52 GMT
I didn't realise he only had a year left. In that case, sign the freebie, give Bursik a new contract and THEN find him a good loan. As I say doubt very much he'd sign it. Plenty of indicators he's not happy. Think MON was pretty heavy handed with him over a curfew breach and benched him for an extended period when Bonham was pretty shit. That was Bonhams best spell including his penalty save game
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 12:23:05 GMT
What could we get for Bursik with one year left on his deal? £2-3m depending on the buyer? There's been some speculation that Ben Foster revealed that Watford were bringing in a young up and coming keeper this summer, explaining his departure. And Bachmann seems to be going to Man Utd for a reported £3m+. If they gave us a big chunk of that, that could be a good deal for everyone. Their new manager seems to be one who wants a ball-playing keeper, which is Bursik's main strengthDefinitely agree with that. I was ok with him until I saw his stats. I liked his distribution and I think that was blinding me to how bad his shot stopping actually was. Stats had him in something like the bottom 5% of championship keepers over a certain ammount of games. No way are the stats that far off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 12:24:01 GMT
So sign the freebie and find Bursik a good loan, I don't see then need to cash in. With a bit of luck he could find a Champ loan, maybe one of the promoted clubs. What's the point in that if he only has a year left? That ammounts to giving him a free transfer unless he signs a new deal before he goes out on loan which being as he was miffed with how MON handled him last season why would he? He dropped him because he wasn't very good to be fair. Got caught was too easily low down at both posts , too often. The way it works. I remember MON doing the same with Peacock-F with NI. Wasn't good enough in certain areas and gave him the chop. Was right to do so in both cases for me
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 24, 2022 12:26:11 GMT
What could we get for Bursik with one year left on his deal? £2-3m depending on the buyer? There's been some speculation that Ben Foster revealed that Watford were bringing in a young up and coming keeper this summer, explaining his departure. And Bachmann seems to be going to Man Utd for a reported £3m+. If they gave us a big chunk of that, that could be a good deal for everyone. Their new manager seems to be one who wants a ball-playing keeper, which is Bursik's main strengthDefinitely agree with that. I was ok with him until I saw his stats. I liked his distribution and I think that was blinding me to how bad his shot stopping actually was. Stats had him in something like the bottom 5% of championship keepers over a certain ammount of games. No way are the stats that far off. Yeah - I think he does all the non-shot stopping stuff brilliantly. But the actual shot stopping is a problem which isn't ideal. Whether that could develop? MON has never seemed convinced.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 12:27:33 GMT
As I say doubt very much he'd sign it. Plenty of indicators he's not happy. Think MON was pretty heavy handed with him over a curfew breach and benched him for an extended period when Bonham was pretty shit. That was Bonhams best spell including his penalty save game No it wasn't Bonham looked pretty awful when he came in after Bursik and DWP were said to have broken a curfew. He did eventually improve towards the end of that run including saving the penalty you mention but there's no way initially he was keeping the place on merit.
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Post by tachyon on Jun 24, 2022 12:27:51 GMT
Good shot-stopper.
Third best in the SPL last season, allowed ~11% fewer goals than you'd expect for an average SPL keeper based on the quality of the attempts faced.
SJ were around 4 goals better off in the matches he played compared to having an average keeper.
An average keeper has an equal or poorer performance than ZC's 2021/22 effort 85% of the time.
He was solidly above average last season.
Dundee U 0 SJ 1 in October 2021 was his best game (an average keeper allows 2-3 goals in that game).
SPL highlights are on YT.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 12:29:55 GMT
What's the point in that if he only has a year left? That ammounts to giving him a free transfer unless he signs a new deal before he goes out on loan which being as he was miffed with how MON handled him last season why would he? He dropped him because he wasn't very good to be fair. Got caught was too easily low down at both posts , too often. The way it works. I remember MON doing the same with Peacock-F with NI. Wasn't good enough in certain areas and gave him the chop. Was right to do so in both cases for me Naah he was dropped after a disciplinary breach and his replacement was far worse for quite a number of games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 12:37:29 GMT
We need a decent shot stopper. For me Bursik shows no signs of that. I think the rest of his game is good but I just think it is one of those attributes you either have or not.
Obviously with experience and better starting position it may develop but we need a solid keeper now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 12:38:31 GMT
He dropped him because he wasn't very good to be fair. Got caught was too easily low down at both posts , too often. The way it works. I remember MON doing the same with Peacock-F with NI. Wasn't good enough in certain areas and gave him the chop. Was right to do so in both cases for me Naah he was dropped after a disciplinary breach and his replacement was far worse for quite a number of games. His replacement played well enough and kept his place. Either way Bursik wasn't good enough.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 12:40:02 GMT
Naah he was dropped after a disciplinary breach and his replacement was far worse for quite a number of games. His replacement played well enough and kept his place. Either way Bursik wasn't good enough. His replacement looked fucking awful unless he was playing as a juggler.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 12:41:17 GMT
His replacement played well enough and kept his place. Either way Bursik wasn't good enough. His replacement looked fucking awful unless he was playing as a juggler. His record says different. Doesn't mean Bursik is a good keeper
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Post by cookster on Jun 24, 2022 12:46:29 GMT
Zigger Zander????
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 24, 2022 12:52:01 GMT
What could we get for Bursik with one year left on his deal? £2-3m depending on the buyer? There's been some speculation that Ben Foster revealed that Watford were bringing in a young up and coming keeper this summer, explaining his departure. And Bachmann seems to be going to Man Utd for a reported £3m+. If they gave us a big chunk of that, that could be a good deal for everyone. Their new manager seems to be one who wants a ball-playing keeper, which is Bursik's main strengthDefinitely agree with that. I was ok with him until I saw his stats. I liked his distribution and I think that was blinding me to how bad his shot stopping actually was. Stats had him in something like the bottom 5% of championship keepers over a certain ammount of games. No way are the stats that far off. I don't think this post was arguing Bursik is a good championship keeper, do you jesus? Not sure that Bonham is much if any better but he was utter dogshit when he came into the team for a number of games and our results were crap. selection on merit would have seen him get a game or two which would also have been a proportional punishment for Bursik's disciplinary breach.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 24, 2022 13:00:39 GMT
Good shot-stopper. Third best in the SPL last season, allowed ~11% fewer goals than you'd expect for an average SPL keeper based on the quality of the attempts faced. SJ were around 4 goals better off in the matches he played compared to having an average keeper. An average keeper has an equal or poorer performance than ZC's 2021/22 effort 85% of the time. He was solidly above average last season. Dundee U 0 SJ 1 in October 2021 was his best game (an average keeper allows 2-3 goals in that game). SPL highlights are on YT. How does the average SPL keeper compare to the average keeper in our league?
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 24, 2022 13:11:56 GMT
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Post by tejstokie on Jun 24, 2022 13:19:59 GMT
As long as he stops shots and penos I'll be happy. Plus for if he doesn't fook about with the ball thinking he's god damn Messi like the stupid "play it out" shit the PL clubs are all the rage for, he'll do. In all honesty a top SPL goalie might be mint for our side. No frills, no bullshit, just tough and what's required.
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Post by noustie on Jun 24, 2022 13:30:30 GMT
Watching Dundee United I was amazed Siegrist went to Celtic to be probably number 2 as had thought clubs down South would be sniffing.
Zander Clark would have been a very good replacement. He's wanting to be Scotland no 1 so can't see him coming to warm the bench.
I'd say he was top end championship quality and stood out for SJ last season despite their defence being wank.
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