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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 21, 2022 11:27:04 GMT
Maybe the ones striking just might be also thinking about those who are to poor (as you describe them) to do the same?
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Post by steve66 on Jun 21, 2022 11:29:06 GMT
At last we agree, Iām just saying that economically now is probably imo the absolute wrong time for disrupting the nation, as several have pointed out there are milllions struggling at the moment who wonāt/cannot strike We don't agree, now is as good a time as any.Ā The very fact that people are struggling but still prepared to sarcrifice a days pay speaks volumes............. We agree thereās never a right time but NOW is not the timeā¦ā¦.
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Post by steve66 on Jun 21, 2022 11:31:08 GMT
Maybe the ones striking just might be also thinking about those who are to poor (as you describe them) to do the same? I said struggling not poor!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2022 11:36:49 GMT
We don't agree, now is as good a time as any. The very fact that people are struggling but still prepared to sarcrifice a days pay speaks volumes............. We agree thereās never a right time but NOW is not the timeā¦ā¦. We don't, I'm saying that for SOME people there's never a right time. I think that's utter bollocks.......
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Post by lordb on Jun 21, 2022 11:51:53 GMT
Well done RR
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 21, 2022 11:57:55 GMT
Smart management if you read it, a one off payment of around 5% of salary while they are negotiating a 4.5% payrise in the expectation inflation levels out, they then haven't increased salaries permanently by double digits.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 21, 2022 11:59:13 GMT
I actually don't think Salaries is the major issue, its staffing numbers working from home is great for the professional working classes but if you then have people only making 40% or 60% of the journies they used to, supply needs to adjust to demand, less passengers = less trains = less staff including maintenance staff as there is less work. Its not like we weren't warned but when the government tried to encourage people back to the office it was only because they had vested interests in property according to some, there's no putting the WFH genie back in the bottle well guess what that will have knock on effects. I suspect youāre right, the salaries may be the headline but job security is the biggest challenge for people in that industry. Scotrail, for example, even before the current dispute, was running all fits pre covid service levels for example the Glasgow - Edinburgh shuttle is half hourly rather than every 15 minutes. That has implications for the number of drivers and staff generally. Add to that driverless trains which will surely come. As you say this is a consequence of WFH which canāt be ignored or avoided for ever. Of course, many businesses donāt have the luxury of ignoring the implications of WFH as is evident in the amount of closures in city centres. So big issues ahead for everyone including the rail industry. For sure the next stage is someone else WFH doing your job cheaper espicially for London staff......
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Post by Davef on Jun 21, 2022 12:09:00 GMT
A decade plus of austerity, key workers still doing their jobs during what the Government described as a deadly pandemic and the biggest cost of living crisis in living memory but it's the salaries of the working class that are put under scrutiny.
Those rail worker salaries highlighted in this thread are around the same or well below what Stoke City have been paying Joe Allen EVERY WEEK for the past six years. We've got a Prime Minister giving his under qualified lover a Ā£100,000 a year job, non-entity media personalities are being paid a fortune to sit pouting while doing little else and bonuses and pay rises are coming out of the ears of the fat cats, but no, let's have a pop at ordinary people trying to do the best for their families (and how many of those slagging off the RMT workers are applauding multi-millionaire golfers for "looking after their families" by joining a Saudi backed tour?).
What a time to be alive.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 21, 2022 12:11:53 GMT
Smart management if you read it, a one off payment of around 5% of salary while they are negotiating a 4.5% payrise in the expectation inflation levels out, they then haven't increased salaries permanently by double digits. German Companies generally handle Industrial Relations well
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Post by wannabee on Jun 21, 2022 12:21:40 GMT
The BBC did a good feature on the various salary bands of different groups of rail workersā¦ Train strike: How much are rail workers paid?This is the essence of the pieceā¦ Rail travel assistants - Ā£33,310 - includes ticket collectors, guards and information staff Rail construction and maintenance operatives - Ā£34,998 - they lay and repair tracks Rail transport operatives - Ā£48,750 - includes signallers and drivers' assistants Train and tram drivers - Ā£59,189 Make of this what you will. I actually don't think Salaries is the major issue, its staffing numbers working from home is great for the professional working classes but if you then have people only making 40% or 60% of the journies they used to, supply needs to adjust to demand, less passengers = less trains = less staff including maintenance staff as there is less work. Its not like we weren't warned but when the government tried to encourage people back to the office it was only because they had vested interests in property according to some, there's no putting the WFH genie back in the bottle well guess what that will have knock on effects. And yet www.railtech.com/all/2022/06/07/uk-railway-passenger-numbers-recover-to-90-percent-of-pre-covid-levels/?gdpr=accept
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 21, 2022 12:26:21 GMT
Maybe the ones striking just might be also thinking about those who are to poor (as you describe them) to do the same? I said struggling not poor! Apologies. Struggling it is. Same question.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2022 12:36:03 GMT
Here's Gullis the mouth breather again, showing us his inner monologue....
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 21, 2022 12:37:48 GMT
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Post by superjw on Jun 21, 2022 12:55:17 GMT
Here's Gullis the mouth breather again, showing us his inner monologue.... To put Mr Gullis into some perspective, that 3% for the lowest paid (for example living wage) works out as about 30p per hour increase when working full time. as a very rough example, the average UK household is spending an extra Ā£1.20 a day just on electricity since the prices went up. So Mr Gullis's fair increase would be more than half swallowed by energy increases for those lowest paid workers. What a guy
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 21, 2022 13:02:53 GMT
Itās defo the way forward. The binmen are more deserving than most to get an increase. Letās get them out next. You've just posted a YouTube clip from 5 years ago......... i know itās an example of the impact a strike has on peoples lives. Bit of a hypothetical question but if you were on your hols overseas and the cabin crew called an emergency strike and you were stranded for 3 days would you be yelling at the airport āgo on boys get that extra 5 percentā whilst having to sleep at the airport for the next 3 nights.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 21, 2022 13:34:02 GMT
Here's Gullis the mouth breather again, showing us his inner monologue.... Tory Scum. And my MP, to my eternal shame.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2022 14:50:02 GMT
You've just posted a YouTube clip from 5 years ago......... i know itās an example of the impact a strike has on peoples lives. Bit of a hypothetical question but if you were on your hols overseas and the cabin crew called an emergency strike and you were stranded for 3 days would you be yelling at the airport āgo on boys get that extra 5 percentā whilst having to sleep at the airport for the next 3 nights. The strike action was announced on the 7th June, not this morning when passengers were already at the station or on the train..........
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Post by steve66 on Jun 21, 2022 15:50:13 GMT
Here's Gullis the mouth breather again, showing us his inner monologue.... Tory Scum. And my MP, to my eternal shame. Opinions, opinions we all have different ones gladly, itās what makes the world go around unless you want the train today š
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 21, 2022 15:52:42 GMT
Or maybe notš¤
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2022 16:06:17 GMT
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Post by swampmongrel on Jun 21, 2022 16:17:38 GMT
Smart management if you read it, a one off payment of around 5% of salary while they are negotiating a 4.5% payrise in the expectation inflation levels out, they then haven't increased salaries permanently by double digits. German Companies generally handle Industrial Relations well I might be corrected but RR is two separate firms these days. RR Motors is owned by BMW. The aerospace part is still UK.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 21, 2022 16:49:09 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2022 16:52:43 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2022 16:53:36 GMT
Here's Gullis the mouth breather again, showing us his inner monologue.... Tory Scum. And my MP, to my eternal shame. You love him really Huddy. Heās a huge Thin Lizzy fan you knowš
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 21, 2022 17:03:35 GMT
Excellent, Iām pretty peed off however with these rail workers demanding more money, they are on far superior wages than letās say care workers (who incidentally would not strike), people who look after the elderly in the main, wiping their backsides, washing & dressing them, feeding them, mopping piss up, changing piss n shit stained clothing for a pittance, if everyone demands more money then the economy for us all is fuckedā¦ When the rails get privatised in the not too distant future they will see the error of their ways. Basically had Covid off, are paid daft amounts of money in comparison to private sector worker who have seen zero pay increases and have had to get in between jobs in order to survive. I personally think this āstrikeā is a disgrace What plan is this to privatise the railways? They did it before with Railtrack for the infrastrucure ,and it was a disaster, hence Network Rail. The best paid jobs are train drivers but these are largely already in the private sector . It was never a well paid job before privatisation but since then the break-up into multiple companies saw the private operators poaching each others' staff, plus unions picking off the Train companies one-at-a-time. The Williams-Schapps Plan for Rail (yes, that Schapps) is intended to remove some of that fragmentation, creating Great British Railways (it's only 'Great' because Johnson loves an adjective, and for it to be called British Railways would be what it used to be called)
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 21, 2022 17:54:35 GMT
When the rails get privatised in the not too distant future they will see the error of their ways. Basically had Covid off, are paid daft amounts of money in comparison to private sector worker who have seen zero pay increases and have had to get in between jobs in order to survive. I personally think this āstrikeā is a disgrace What plan is this to privatise the railways? They did it before with Railtrack for the infrastrucure ,and it was a disaster, hence Network Rail. The best paid jobs areĀ train drivers but these are largely already in the private sector . It was never a well paid job before privatisation but since then the break-up into multiple companies saw the private operators poaching each others' staff, plus unions picking off the Train companies one-at-a-time. The Williams-Schapps Plan for Rail (yes, that Schapps) is intended to remove some of that fragmentation, creating Great British Railways (it's only 'Great' because Johnson loves an adjective, and for it to be called British Railways would be what it used to be called) Thats not true train driving has always been relatively well paid, the difference was before privatisation it was low basic and lots of overtime, on privatisation they upped the basic and tried to make efficiencies (less spare drivers, no enhanced rates for weekends etc) that almost always failed so they just kept paying more, the favourite trick of drivers is the sick roster, go sick, your mate gets called in on his rest day and gets double bubble or time and a half repeat and share around.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 21, 2022 18:14:24 GMT
I donāt understand this. They are also getting a 4% pay rise Rolls Royce had also offered workers a 4% increase in pay, back-dated to March. A Rolls Royce spokesperson had told the BBC it would be "the highest annual pay rise for at least a decade" for its shop floor staff. The union are rejecting this too
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 21, 2022 19:13:27 GMT
What plan is this to privatise the railways? They did it before with Railtrack for the infrastrucure ,and it was a disaster, hence Network Rail. The best paid jobs are train drivers but these are largely already in the private sector . It was never a well paid job before privatisation but since then the break-up into multiple companies saw the private operators poaching each others' staff, plus unions picking off the Train companies one-at-a-time. The Williams-Schapps Plan for Rail (yes, that Schapps) is intended to remove some of that fragmentation, creating Great British Railways (it's only 'Great' because Johnson loves an adjective, and for it to be called British Railways would be what it used to be called) Thats not true train driving has always been relatively well paid, the difference was before privatisation it was low basic and lots of overtime, on privatisation they upped the basic and tried to make efficiencies (less spare drivers, no enhanced rates for weekends etc) that almost always failed so they just kept paying more, the favourite trick of drivers is the sick roster, go sick, your mate gets called in on his rest day and gets double bubble or time and a half repeat and share around. From this: www.traindriver.org/what-the-job-involves.html#"The low rates of pay in the past meant that most drivers worked all the Sundays (and often Rest Days) they could in order to earn a living wage, with the result that the Sunday service was reliably covered. The fact that train driving is very much better paid today means that many drivers (or their partners!) have made the lifestyle choice to forgo the extra money and have every Sunday off. This has meant that at some depots the management are having a real struggle to cover the Sunday service and are sometimes cancelling trains because no staff are available."
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Post by superjw on Jun 21, 2022 19:37:53 GMT
I donāt understand this. They are also getting a 4% pay rise Rolls Royce had also offered workers a 4% increase in pay, back-dated to March. A Rolls Royce spokesperson had told the BBC it would be "the highest annual pay rise for at least a decade" for its shop floor staff. The union are rejecting this too It's a decent offer tbh considing they will also get that 3 odd month back payment on top of that Ā£2k bonus.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2022 21:03:25 GMT
I donāt understand this. They are also getting a 4% pay rise Rolls Royce had also offered workers a 4% increase in pay, back-dated to March. A Rolls Royce spokesperson had told the BBC it would be "the highest annual pay rise for at least a decade" for its shop floor staff. The union are rejecting this too It's a decent offer tbh considing they will also get that 3 odd month back payment on top of that Ā£2k bonus. I really donāt know how theyāve got the nerve, bandwagon jumping at itās worst.
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