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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 20, 2022 19:49:54 GMT
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Post by steve66 on Jun 20, 2022 20:42:43 GMT
Excellent, I’m pretty peed off however with these rail workers demanding more money, they are on far superior wages than let’s say care workers (who incidentally would not strike), people who look after the elderly in the main, wiping their backsides, washing & dressing them, feeding them, mopping piss up, changing piss n shit stained clothing for a pittance, if everyone demands more money then the economy for us all is fucked…
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 20, 2022 20:48:16 GMT
Excellent, I’m pretty peed off however with these rail workers demanding more money, they are on far superior wages than let’s say care workers (who incidentally would not strike), people who look after the elderly in the main, wiping their backsides, washing & dressing them, feeding them, mopping piss up, changing piss n shit stained clothing for a pittance, if everyone demands more money then the economy for us all is fucked… When the rails get privatised in the not too distant future they will see the error of their ways. Basically had Covid off, are paid daft amounts of money in comparison to private sector worker who have seen zero pay increases and have had to get in between jobs in order to survive. I personally think this “strike” is a disgrace |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 20, 2022 20:53:23 GMT
2 great posts spot on. Selfish sods. I can think of so many more jobs deserving of a pay increase.
How do these characters think we’re going to pay for 2 years of furloughs.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 20, 2022 21:26:53 GMT
How many MPs have given back their recent pay rise? How many private landlords have kept rent increases to 2%? How many businesses have refused to put prices up?
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Post by Davef on Jun 20, 2022 22:10:08 GMT
How many MPs have given back their recent pay rise? How many private landlords have kept rent increases to 2%? How many businesses have refused to put prices up? On the subject of thick as pigshit MPs... |
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 20, 2022 22:23:32 GMT
How many MPs have given back their recent pay rise? How many private landlords have kept rent increases to 2%? How many businesses have refused to put prices up? On the subject of thick as pigshit MPs... I think its Paul who is thick as shit here, you'd think by now people would now MP's expenses include staff wages and office expenses, notmally its racists tweeting this sort of shit at the likes of Lammy or Zahawi....... |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 20, 2022 22:30:59 GMT
2 great posts spot on. Selfish sods. I can think of so many more jobs deserving of a pay increase. How do these characters think we’re going to pay for 2 years of furloughs. Except these "Key Workers" were never furloughed They were in danger though www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-death-idUSKBN22O2V1The imminent strike is about much more than pay, although its a Key component after a two year pay freeze. Its also about its about an attempt to arbitrarily alter final pay for pension calculations and Compulsory Redundancies Chaps likes to quote the salaries of Train Drivers there are very few Train Driver in RMT if any ASLEF represents 96% of Train Drivers The remainder are thought to not be in any Union The average salary for a Signaler who the RMT do represent is Grade 1 £25,910 Grade 2 £28,592 Grade 3 £32,166 Do you think these are excessive? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 20, 2022 22:49:05 GMT
2 great posts spot on. Selfish sods. I can think of so many more jobs deserving of a pay increase. How do these characters think we’re going to pay for 2 years of furloughs. Except these "Key Workers" were never furloughed They were in danger though www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-death-idUSKBN22O2V1The imminent strike is about much more than pay, although its a Key component after a two year pay freeze. Its also about its about an attempt to arbitrarily alter final pay for pension calculations and Compulsory Redundancies Chaps likes to quote the salaries of Train Drivers there are very few Train Driver in RMT if any ASLEF represents 96% of Train Drivers The remainder are thought to not be in any Union The average salary for a Signaler who the RMT do represent is Grade 1 £25,910 Grade 2 £28,592 Grade 3 £32,166 Do you think these are excessive? Not excessive but what makes them any more special than nurses, care workers, bus drivers and Police officers who are on less at the same level of service / starting wage and who’ve worked throughout covid. There’s so many workers who won’t be striking and impacting on peoples lives in the way the rail workers are. There’s many more workers who’ve not had wage increases far longer than 2 years. |
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Post by steve66 on Jun 20, 2022 23:23:34 GMT
2 great posts spot on. Selfish sods. I can think of so many more jobs deserving of a pay increase. How do these characters think we’re going to pay for 2 years of furloughs. Except these "Key Workers" were never furloughed They were in danger though www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-death-idUSKBN22O2V1The imminent strike is about much more than pay, although its a Key component after a two year pay freeze. Its also about its about an attempt to arbitrarily alter final pay for pension calculations and Compulsory Redundancies Chaps likes to quote the salaries of Train Drivers there are very few Train Driver in RMT if any ASLEF represents 96% of Train Drivers The remainder are thought to not be in any Union The average salary for a Signaler who the RMT do represent is Grade 1 £25,910 Grade 2 £28,592 Grade 3 £32,166 Do you think these are excessive? Still more than care workers for certain! They didn’t get furloughed, they put their lives on the line to look after others |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 21, 2022 0:30:33 GMT
Except these "Key Workers" were never furloughed They were in danger though www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-death-idUSKBN22O2V1The imminent strike is about much more than pay, although its a Key component after a two year pay freeze. Its also about its about an attempt to arbitrarily alter final pay for pension calculations and Compulsory Redundancies Chaps likes to quote the salaries of Train Drivers there are very few Train Driver in RMT if any ASLEF represents 96% of Train Drivers The remainder are thought to not be in any Union The average salary for a Signaler who the RMT do represent is Grade 1 £25,910 Grade 2 £28,592 Grade 3 £32,166 Do you think these are excessive? Not excessive but what makes them any more special than nurses, care workers, bus drivers and Police officers who are on less at the same level of service / starting wage and who’ve worked throughout covid. There’s so many workers who won’t be striking and impacting on peoples lives in the way the rail workers are. There’s many more workers who’ve not had wage increases far longer than 2 years. I couldn't agree with you more and with Steve below I find it appalling but hardly unsurprising that Shapps is allowed to push this false narrative that this is about Train Drivers whenever a microphone is pushed in front of him. Nobody ever challenges it. To pile on the irony he was very vocal recently about P&O Workers, who happen to be represented by the RMT, being replaced by Agency Workers. He called for P&O CEO to resign. He has threatened to replace Rail Workers with Agency Workers. You couldn't make some of this shit up. It is by no means about Rail Workers but all Public Pay Workers Nurses for instance have seen a real pay decrease of 20% since Conservative Austerity in 2010. This does not factor inflation currently at 9.2% expected to rise to 11% it is shameful that in the 5th Weathiest Country in the World highly skilled Nurses who put their lives on the line for the Common good are being forced to queue up at Food Banks. Carers are treated equally badly if not worse They have had enough, perhaps you didn't see the protest marches in London this weekend amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/18/strike-chaoes-teachers-nhs-staff-action-pay-rail-unionsSchapps and the Government generally are furiously pushing the false narrative against the RMT They think if they can garner enough animosity towards RMT they will break them into accepting a much lower increase which would become the benchmark for other Public Service Pay Settlements |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 21, 2022 0:54:22 GMT
Not excessive but what makes them any more special than nurses, care workers, bus drivers and Police officers who are on less at the same level of service / starting wage and who’ve worked throughout covid. There’s so many workers who won’t be striking and impacting on peoples lives in the way the rail workers are. There’s many more workers who’ve not had wage increases far longer than 2 years. I couldn't agree with you more and with Steve below I find it appalling but hardly unsurprising that Shapps is allowed to push this false narrative that this is about Train Drivers whenever a microphone is pushed in front of him. Nobody ever challenges it. To pile on the irony he was very vocal recently about P&O Workers, who happen to be represented by the RMT, being replaced by Agency Workers. He called for P&O CEO to resign. He has threatened to replace Rail Workers with Agency Workers. You couldn't make some of this shit up. It is by no means about Rail Workers but all Public Pay Workers Nurses for instance have seen a real pay decrease of 20% since Conservative Austerity in 2010. This does not factor inflation currently at 9.2% expected to rise to 11% it is shameful that in the 5th Weathiest Country in the World highly skilled Nurses who put their lives on the line for the Common good are being forced to queue up at Food Banks. Carers are treated equally badly if not worse They have had enough, perhaps you didn't see the protest marches in London this weekend amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/18/strike-chaoes-teachers-nhs-staff-action-pay-rail-unionsSchapps and the Government generally are furiously pushing the false narrative against the RMT They think if they can garner enough animosity towards RMT they will break them into accepting a much lower increase which would become the benchmark for other Public Service Pay Settlements Meanwhile inews.co.uk/news/no-10-planning-tear-up-restrictions-city-bosses-pay-cost-of-living-crisis-1696695 |
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Post by andystokey on Jun 21, 2022 7:34:28 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more and with Steve below I find it appalling but hardly unsurprising that Shapps is allowed to push this false narrative that this is about Train Drivers whenever a microphone is pushed in front of him. Nobody ever challenges it. To pile on the irony he was very vocal recently about P&O Workers, who happen to be represented by the RMT, being replaced by Agency Workers. He called for P&O CEO to resign. He has threatened to replace Rail Workers with Agency Workers. You couldn't make some of this shit up. It is by no means about Rail Workers but all Public Pay Workers Nurses for instance have seen a real pay decrease of 20% since Conservative Austerity in 2010. This does not factor inflation currently at 9.2% expected to rise to 11% it is shameful that in the 5th Weathiest Country in the World highly skilled Nurses who put their lives on the line for the Common good are being forced to queue up at Food Banks. Carers are treated equally badly if not worse They have had enough, perhaps you didn't see the protest marches in London this weekend amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/18/strike-chaoes-teachers-nhs-staff-action-pay-rail-unionsSchapps and the Government generally are furiously pushing the false narrative against the RMT They think if they can garner enough animosity towards RMT they will break them into accepting a much lower increase which would become the benchmark for other Public Service Pay Settlements Meanwhile inews.co.uk/news/no-10-planning-tear-up-restrictions-city-bosses-pay-cost-of-living-crisis-1696695The government have been looking for a scrap with any easy scapegoat. The job or the impact of the strike is irrelevant. Its been 30years since the last rail strike. The RMT are not the militant Union they have been painted. The publicity machine has made the public believe they are selfish and poor little school children, nurses and patients are impacted. Wheeling out stories of woe. I respect the right for any person to withdraw their labour and if anyone thinks that 1.2million other jobs currently in the market will attract replacements to railway jobs instead they are deluded. Lorry drivers didn't strike they just voted with their feet as have baggage handlers and hospital staff. When it is the nurses next and the teachers in August the state machinery will do the same and turn the population on themselves. The narrative is better than looking at your incompetent Government who have no plan for the future and brought this shitshow on themselves. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 21, 2022 7:36:02 GMT
Talking of "thick as shit" there's plenty posting on this thread.
FFS....educate yourselves.
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Post by superjw on Jun 21, 2022 7:55:07 GMT
Whilst it's a great move by them, the employees will be lucky to see just over half that in their pay packets thanks to tax. This sort of thing should be tax free. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2022 7:57:03 GMT
On the subject of thick as pigshit MPs... I think its Paul who is thick as shit here, you'd think by now people would now MP's expenses include staff wages and office expenses, notmally its racists tweeting this sort of shit at the likes of Lammy or Zahawi....... Do you mention David Lammy? Attachment Deleted |
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2022 8:07:52 GMT
Except these "Key Workers" were never furloughed They were in danger though www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-death-idUSKBN22O2V1The imminent strike is about much more than pay, although its a Key component after a two year pay freeze. Its also about its about an attempt to arbitrarily alter final pay for pension calculations and Compulsory Redundancies Chaps likes to quote the salaries of Train Drivers there are very few Train Driver in RMT if any ASLEF represents 96% of Train Drivers The remainder are thought to not be in any Union The average salary for a Signaler who the RMT do represent is Grade 1 £25,910 Grade 2 £28,592 Grade 3 £32,166 Do you think these are excessive? Not excessive but what makes them any more special than nurses, care workers, bus drivers and Police officers who are on less at the same level of service / starting wage and who’ve worked throughout covid. There’s so many workers who won’t be striking and impacting on peoples lives in the way the rail workers are. There’s many more workers who’ve not had wage increases far longer than 2 years. The BBC did a good feature on the various salary bands of different groups of rail workers… Train strike: How much are rail workers paid?This is the essence of the piece… Rail travel assistants - £33,310 - includes ticket collectors, guards and information staff Rail construction and maintenance operatives - £34,998 - they lay and repair tracks Rail transport operatives - £48,750 - includes signallers and drivers' assistants Train and tram drivers - £59,189 Make of this what you will. |
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Post by Northy on Jun 21, 2022 8:18:26 GMT
A good move, the company I work for announced that workers under a certain level of pay would get a one off £500 in September and also a 2% bonus this month which could be a one off or added to their salary, which would not affect the normal pay increase. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2022 8:25:15 GMT
A good move, the company I work for announced that workers under a certain level of pay would get a one off £500 in September and also a 2% bonus this month which could be a one off or added to their salary, which would not affect the normal pay increase. Capping the additional payments is a good idea. Although everyone will feel the impact of higher costs, not everyone is feeling the same pressure. |
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Post by ashtonstokie on Jun 21, 2022 8:30:33 GMT
The government have lead with the narrative that Rail workers are on over 44k, I and everyone else I work with have never even seen that amount of money. Aside from all that the real and most important point is the job cuts, in my work group alone I have several lads who's jobs are under threat from re structuring and job losses. Lads who have mortgages and people who depend on them. People can paint Rail workers as selfish and belive the government but in the face of losing your job through no fault of your own you have every right to be selfish. Whatever action the railway takes was gonna cause disruption but its actually taken a long time for this to come about and network rail had every chance to stop this beforehand.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 21, 2022 8:35:33 GMT
Not excessive but what makes them any more special than nurses, care workers, bus drivers and Police officers who are on less at the same level of service / starting wage and who’ve worked throughout covid. There’s so many workers who won’t be striking and impacting on peoples lives in the way the rail workers are. There’s many more workers who’ve not had wage increases far longer than 2 years. The BBC did a good feature on the various salary bands of different groups of rail workers… Train strike: How much are rail workers paid?This is the essence of the piece… Rail travel assistants - £33,310 - includes ticket collectors, guards and information staff Rail construction and maintenance operatives - £34,998 - they lay and repair tracks Rail transport operatives - £48,750 - includes signallers and drivers' assistants Train and tram drivers - £59,189 Make of this what you will. So if you read the BBC Article Grant Schapps tells lies, who knew If you exclude the Train Drivers who are not in RMT or on strike and include Cleaners who are in RMT and are on strike The Median Salary of those actually on strike is £33K not £44K as Schapps is spouting The problem is he does it without challenge and most people swallow this crap |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 21, 2022 8:40:50 GMT
Whilst it's a great move by them, the employees will be lucky to see just over half that in their pay packets thanks to tax. This sort of thing should be tax free. They’ll see at least £1400 of it by my calculations and it’s not a one off from Rolls Royce either.They used to pay a company bonus most years in March which paid for most workers summer holiday |
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2022 8:41:30 GMT
The BBC did a good feature on the various salary bands of different groups of rail workers… Train strike: How much are rail workers paid?This is the essence of the piece… Rail travel assistants - £33,310 - includes ticket collectors, guards and information staff Rail construction and maintenance operatives - £34,998 - they lay and repair tracks Rail transport operatives - £48,750 - includes signallers and drivers' assistants Train and tram drivers - £59,189 Make of this what you will. So if you read the BBC Article Grant Schapps tells lies, who knew If you exclude the Train Drivers who are not in RMT or on strike and include Cleaners who are in RMT and are on strike The Median Salary of those actually on strike is £33K not £44K as Schapps is spouting The problem is he does it without challenge and most people swallow this cra You made of it what you would. Who’d have thought. |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 21, 2022 8:54:07 GMT
So if you read the BBC Article Grant Schapps tells lies, who knew If you exclude the Train Drivers who are not in RMT or on strike and include Cleaners who are in RMT and are on strike The Median Salary of those actually on strike is £33K not £44K as Schapps is spouting The problem is he does it without challenge and most people swallow this cra You made of it what you would. Who’d have thought. Are you opposed to telling the truth? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 21, 2022 9:05:04 GMT
So if you read the BBC Article Grant Schapps tells lies, who knew If you exclude the Train Drivers who are not in RMT or on strike and include Cleaners who are in RMT and are on strike The Median Salary of those actually on strike is £33K not £44K as Schapps is spouting The problem is he does it without challenge and most people swallow this cra You made of it what you would. Who’d have thought. And what do you make of it? |
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2022 9:05:29 GMT
You made of it what you would. Who’d have thought. Are you opposed to telling the truth? Like the truth that you respect women.  |
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2022 9:09:21 GMT
You made of it what you would. Who’d have thought. And what do you make of it? Both sides are highly selective in the the numbers they present. Some rail workers are very well paid, some well paid and some on low pay. That, maybe, as we see in the example above from Northy, a solution might be to give the low paid workers extra cash but the well paid and very well paid workers don’t get anything. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 21, 2022 9:24:30 GMT
And what do you make of it? Both sides are highly selective in the the numbers they present. Some rail workers are very well paid, some well paid and some on low pay. That, maybe, as we see in the example above from Northy, a solution might be to give the low paid workers extra cash but the well paid and very well paid workers don’t get anything. Spot on as is the case with most organisations whether it’s nursing, Policing, postal workers you have to climb the ladder. What I’m saying is what makes them more important than any of the aforementioned. Maybe everyone should go on strike and the country grinds to a halt. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2022 9:34:01 GMT
Both sides are highly selective in the the numbers they present. Some rail workers are very well paid, some well paid and some on low pay. That, maybe, as we see in the example above from Northy, a solution might be to give the low paid workers extra cash but the well paid and very well paid workers don’t get anything. Spot on as is the case with most organisations whether it’s nursing, Policing, postal workers you have to climb the ladder. What I’m saying is what makes them more important than any of the aforementioned. Maybe everyone should go on strike and the country grinds to a halt. They've never said they're more important than anyone else. It's a union fighting for its members in a particular sector, those other workers are perfectly entitled to withdraw the labour in the same way. Do you support the principle of workers striking? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 21, 2022 9:46:50 GMT
Spot on as is the case with most organisations whether it’s nursing, Policing, postal workers you have to climb the ladder. What I’m saying is what makes them more important than any of the aforementioned. Maybe everyone should go on strike and the country grinds to a halt. They've never said they're more important than anyone else. It's a union fighting for its members in a particular sector, those other workers are perfectly entitled to withdraw the labour in the same way. Do you support the principle of workers striking? it depends on a number of circs and as to the background of why the issues have occurred as to whether i think strikings the answer. I’d also like to think about who am I hitting hardest and what will I achieve? what I don’t believe in is the country grinding to a halt like it did in the 70s no rubbish being collected etc. What if the nurses downed tools and people lost there lives or the police downed tools and there was no one to respond to serious incidents or accidents is that justifiable reason to strike. Maybe I’m too easily pleased and have got my head around the fact that life’s not fair. |
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