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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 26, 2023 11:11:46 GMT
Reading are under a transfer embargo, they can't pay any fees, only sign free transfers and loans. tbh it’s even more stringent than that they have to get written approval to even sign those. If they weren’t inkeeping with their enforced business plan even those would be refused. Paper tittle tattle then, without delving into the facts. We'd at least expect a reasonable fee for a player that "showed" on his last outing. Tough, Reading, tough.
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Post by etebojan on Jan 26, 2023 11:15:31 GMT
Totally bizarre the whole situation, no smoke without fire i guess, will soon see I guess if Laurent knuckles down for the rest of season or sulks
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 26, 2023 11:15:45 GMT
Disappointing.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 26, 2023 11:16:55 GMT
Can’t agree with that at all. There’s no reason most players can’t adapt to what Neil is asking of them, especially because they’ve mainly been playing in the same wing back formation that MON used. Although we haven’t seen the best of Laurent due to injuries, based on what we have seen I wouldn’t be too bothered if he does go. To suggest Neil needs to go or we need to gut the squad ASAP is rubbish to be quite frank. Most players are out of contract in the summer and the proper rebuild can take place then. In the meantime we’ll work with what we’ve got and any further recruitments that arrive before the end of the window. So the employer gets to move the goalposts around at will and the employees just have to adapt? No sure every one will see things that way. If they fuck you around, fuck them around more was always my approach. He’s been sold one thing and within weeks they’ve changed it to something completely different. Even our own reporter says the atmosphere is shit down at Clayton Wood and plenty don’t like Neil’s attitude or Ricky Martin’s. I’ll be sorry to lose what I believe to be a very good player used correctly but if it is environmental over financial I take my hat off to the player. Adapting to new managers or being shown the door is standard in football, but there could be any number of reasons that Laurent moves on. The atmosphere will have understandably bad because of the terrible form we’re in. Saying that plenty of players don’t like Neil’s or Martin’s attitude is just a rumour without any concrete evidence at this point so I’m not inclined to pay much regard to such rumours. Another rumour is that the players at Sunderland loved him and were absolutely gutted that he decided to leave them. He was as Preston for several years with relative success which I would suggest isn’t possible if he’s a thoroughly dislikable character. It could be that Neil’s attitude is a problem, it could also be that the players attitudes are a problem or it could be neither.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 26, 2023 11:17:35 GMT
If he can play like he did v Reading he’s a class player.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 26, 2023 11:17:41 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 26, 2023 11:19:34 GMT
Really? He could refuse his request to leave but then he's got a demotivated player to deal with. It's a bit of a desperate spin - especially given the number of loanees who have also walked recently without a replacement lined up. It's pretty clear that players brought in under MON don't like and don't suit Neil's approach and are getting out before they're pushed. It doesn't really matter who instigated the shake up the issue is whether the replacements work out or not. I said a few weeks ago we either had to get rid of Neil and get in a manager who can work with MON's squad or gut the squad asap, hope we survive and give Neil a couple of seasons to complete the rebuild. Regardless of who initiated the clear out it's already happend so we have to stick and hope it works out. Can’t agree with that at all. There’s no reason most players can’t adapt to what Neil is asking of them, especially because they’ve mainly been playing in the same wing back formation that MON used. Although we haven’t seen the best of Laurent due to injuries, based on what we have seen I wouldn’t be too bothered if he does go. To suggest Neil needs to go or we need to gut the squad ASAP is rubbish to be quite frank. Most players are out of contract in the summer and the proper rebuild can take place then. In the meantime we’ll work with what we’ve got and any further recruitments that arrive before the end of the window. With the right players I'm sure Neil can build a good team spirit but it's pretty obvious it isn't happening with this set of players and he he has to I bring in his own - which is what is happening. Four players have already gone, Laurent would be the fifth and it would be no surprise if another one went as well. That's way too many changes in normal circumstances but despite the Reading game we are still in relegation trouble and whether he should be getting a tune out of this squad the fact is he wasn't. Big changes had to happen and regardless of who and why they are happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 11:44:07 GMT
Totally bizarre the whole situation, no smoke without fire i guess, will soon see I guess if Laurent knuckles down for the rest of season or sulks To be fair I think with transfers there can often be smoke without fire. I don't think this move was ever on the cards.
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Post by etebojan on Jan 26, 2023 11:57:03 GMT
Totally bizarre the whole situation, no smoke without fire i guess, will soon see I guess if Laurent knuckles down for the rest of season or sulks To be fair I think with transfers there can often be smoke without fire. I don't think this move was ever on the cards. Well it would certainly be nice to think that Laurent is happy to be at Stoke and will be pulling for the team as he did on Saturday
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Post by lordb on Jan 26, 2023 12:00:47 GMT
his form generally however he has played well/really well in a couple of a games he has had injuries so hopefully he stays fit & plays like he can
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 26, 2023 12:08:44 GMT
Probably a case of some Journo putting 2+2 and coming up with 10, Ince Senior probably said somewhere along the weekend that Laurent made a difference and he might make enquiry/shame he left type of statement. Considering their transfer position they could say the same about Haaland, they won't land him either!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 26, 2023 12:10:01 GMT
his form generally however he has played well/really well in a couple of a games he has had injuries so hopefully he stays fit & plays like he can If that's what he meant then I agree. It's just that it was an extremely ambiguous comment. Did he mean as you say his general form and fitness for us was disappointing? Did he mean the approach by Reading and the apparent receptiveness of Laurent towards it was disappointing? Or did he mean the fact that it appears to be a load of fabricated bollocks and we're not going to countenance him moving was disappointing?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 26, 2023 12:12:06 GMT
That it looks like he’s staying. He’s not one of the 5 that I want to stay. 😂
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 26, 2023 12:18:29 GMT
That it looks like he’s staying. He’s not one of the 5 that I want to stay. 😂 Ok. Over his 6 months with us I generally agree. But the way he played on Saturday shows there is a proper player in there and if he can produce that kind of display more often (and stay fit) then he is well worth keeping and playing. It's that big IF again though isn't it? I'm not sure if we were thinking of getting rid he'd be going back to Reading anyway though as the finances surely wouldn't work for us?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 26, 2023 12:32:24 GMT
Probably a case of some Journo putting 2+2 and coming up with 10, Ince Senior probably said somewhere along the weekend that Laurent made a difference and he might make enquiry/shame he left type of statement. Considering their transfer position they could say the same about Haaland, they won't land him either! If there was no truth in the rumour the club would have ignored it. If there was some truth in the rumour then they might have come out and said there's no truth in the rumour. The club said that their is little or no chance of what the rumour suggests might happen happening - which literally means the rumour is true and there is actually a chance it might happen. The only question is whether Laurent, Reading or both approached the club about him leaving and the original rumour suggests it was Laurent. I think Laurent is a decent player - we saw that Saturday - but if he wants out and we can get a more Neil type midfielder (big if this late in the window) then best for all concerned he leaves.
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Post by march4 on Jan 26, 2023 12:35:53 GMT
Needs to go now.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 26, 2023 12:47:20 GMT
Probably a case of some Journo putting 2+2 and coming up with 10, Ince Senior probably said somewhere along the weekend that Laurent made a difference and he might make enquiry/shame he left type of statement. Considering their transfer position they could say the same about Haaland, they won't land him either! If there was no truth in the rumour the club would have ignored it. If there was some truth in the rumour then they might have come out and said there's no truth in the rumour. The club said that their is little or no chance of what the rumour suggests might happen happening - which literally means the rumour is true and there is actually a chance it might happen. The only question is whether Laurent, Reading or both approached the club about him leaving and the original rumour suggests it was Laurent. I think Laurent is a decent player - we saw that Saturday - but if he wants out and we can get a more Neil type midfielder (big if this late in the window) then best for all concerned he leaves.If the player feels like he either made a mistake coming to the club or the club moved the goalposts by allowing changes to the working environment that he could not/does not want to adapt to a move should be facilitated whereby the club are not out of pocket financially ie in terms of what he was paid as a signing on fee would need to be returned. If the player is willing to give up that sort of money you've got to think his case is genuine.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 26, 2023 12:56:58 GMT
Totally bizarre the whole situation, no smoke without fire i guess, will soon see I guess if Laurent knuckles down for the rest of season or sulks There can absolutely be smoke without fire, people make up all kinds of shit and accuse people of things they haven’t done with no evidence.
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Jan 26, 2023 12:59:50 GMT
Why would he go back there for less money an if Saturday showed anything to him was how shit they are just wouldn’t t make sense going back
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 26, 2023 13:11:24 GMT
Why would he go back there for less money an if Saturday showed anything to him was how shit they are just wouldn’t t make sense going back Could be his wife and family still live down there and he just hasn't settled up here. Work life balance and all that. Who knows? PS just looked on Wiki and he's a soft southerner born and bred.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 26, 2023 13:43:59 GMT
Why would he go back there for less money an if Saturday showed anything to him was how shit they are just wouldn’t t make sense going back Not even if he was happy in his work environment then and isn't now? Makes perfect sense to me.
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Post by skip on Jan 26, 2023 13:47:29 GMT
Whilst we're paying his wages his job is to be at his best for us.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 26, 2023 13:55:03 GMT
Whilst we're paying his wages his job is to be at his best for us. Exactly. He’s been relatively crap for us thus far barring two or so games, one of which was versus Reading. If they want him, they can pay a fee. If they aren’t allowed to pay a fee, have him buy out his contract to go back.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 26, 2023 14:00:31 GMT
Don't forget to smile, Josh
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Post by lordb on Jan 26, 2023 14:01:09 GMT
his form generally however he has played well/really well in a couple of a games he has had injuries so hopefully he stays fit & plays like he can If that's what he meant then I agree. It's just that it was an extremely ambiguous comment. Did he mean as you say his general form and fitness for us was disappointing? Did he mean the approach by Reading and the apparent receptiveness of Laurent towards it was disappointing? Or did he mean the fact that it appears to be a load of fabricated bollocks and we're not going to countenance him moving was disappointing? that's a bit Sir Humphrey for me Bayern is usually black & white would assume he doesn't rate him & disappointed he hasn't left? he does have to play better more often , his last outing shows he can do it
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Post by thevoid on Jan 26, 2023 14:08:50 GMT
First time I've seen Josh Laurent and slim in the same sentence
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 26, 2023 14:15:06 GMT
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Post by mr on Jan 26, 2023 14:39:25 GMT
He’s definitely not slim.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 26, 2023 14:41:07 GMT
I don't think any of these comments are out of bounds given this media or agent-initiated "story" (maybe even player-initiated?) which may or may not have facts backing it. May be wrong I think Bayern's just saying what several others including me have said "If there's someone out there better at locking down a "DM" type role, then go get em." (If he wants to leave and someone's got the $$ and we have a recruit in the chain)
Yes, he played very well last match. But either due to injuries, fitness, possibly attitude? (none of us know yet) he hadn't been that "great" before. Maybe he just doesn't see himself as a long-term "match" for our club? Maybe it took him time to learn what AN wanted him to do?
Was he "playing for a move" in light of this "story" that may have some fact behind it? Well that's his prerogative then. So he's shown that he's good when he wants to be, but if there's ANYTHING here that continues to demotivate him? (Not closer to family, misses a club, piss-poor atmosphere or whatever) Then move him on. I'm convinced that there are players out there as good if not better anyway. (Now if we can IDENTIFY them, that's another question)
Otherwise, if he's happy to stay then good - for the first time in a long time I'm seeing evidence of actual coaching going on at the club now that can get something out of these players as a group. We're even starting to take corners that have a chance of scoring! As far as his demeanor - not everyone goes around all day with a smile on their face, maybe he "saves" a lot of that for when he's with family? Maybe when he's on the pitch, he's just serious? I've known several people like that - they're not unhappy, they're just not outwardly emotional when at work - they're just concentrating. I don't know - my guess is as good as anyone else's, but if we've got people who don't want to be here then we need to find them the right club and get someone in who is happy to be here. Especially one that to my mind, really has only had a couple of good games since he's been here? (For whatever reason)
And I haven't seen enough to "know" that he's unhappy but maybe more will come out as time passes. I don't know how anyone could "miss" Reading...but it could come down to there's a coach there that he feels he works best with and has become attached to? It could be anything - or nothing at all. (Rambling post alert)
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 26, 2023 16:16:39 GMT
He’s definitely not slim. I don't think he's fat, in AN's words his big and powerful....and that's what I think we need in our team, some 6ft plus monsters who can physically dominate games, the days of having a central midfielder at 5ft8 (welsh pirlo) who cant win a physical battle with a bowl of rice pudding are hopefully gone... Bring back the land of the giants to scfc... Look at how powerful Watford look against us all big athletic players all over the pitch..
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