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Post by nonameface on Jun 14, 2022 6:50:07 GMT
If its genuinely just on the basis of time wasting then just control the time either directly or by having time controlled 30 minute halves.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 14, 2022 6:55:08 GMT
Seems you’ve not looked at the proposal. Has to be taken within 5 seconds. Personally be it a throw in or a kick in I’d be all for a very short time limit to take it. Possibly as suggested by another poster with an encroachment rule to give the taking side an advantage. Really boils my piss how long they take. We’re terrible at it we take an age and aren’t even trying to set anything up. Also need to tighten up on keepers with ball in hands and taking goal kicks get the game moving at a pace. Agreed. They need to tackle the scourge of 'game management aka time wasting. It truly damages the spectacle of the game. We hear an outcry about diving as cheating but game management is cheating the fans.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 14, 2022 7:00:45 GMT
If its genuinely just on the basis of time wasting then just control the time either directly or by having time controlled 30 minute halves. Refs need to stamp down on time wasting and any new rules for them to use would be welcome but they don’t use the ones they’ve already got. Can’t buy into fixed ball in play halves because teams will continue to disrupt the flow of the game even when they know every second will have to be played as it prevents momentum building. Plus mainly I want to have a fair idea what time the game will finish.
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Post by Gods on Jun 14, 2022 7:03:01 GMT
What’s his argument for changing it? I can’t think of one The story is a decent chunk of football's non-playing playing time is lost while players fanny around taking throw-ins. The plan here is you have 5 seconds to play the ball back in after the referee awards the kick-in. I think it would give the game a 5-aside feel. Which it already has since they banned tackling and fitted cameras to track 'contact' and so in effect turned it in to a non contact sport at the top level.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2022 7:32:50 GMT
Not me, that sounds like an awful idea.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 14, 2022 8:14:07 GMT
What a tosser he is
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Post by apb1 on Jun 14, 2022 8:14:43 GMT
It seems to just be throw ins in your own half? “That's why I believe we always have to think how can we make the game quicker and more spectacular? So why not be able to kick the ball in when in your own half?" Unless they've taken it and run with it as FIFA often do. Would just be a succession of dead balls and less incentive to be creative. In fact it would make every game Pulisball. Lol.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 14, 2022 8:24:17 GMT
What’s his argument for changing it? I can’t think of one The story is a decent chunk of football's non-playing playing time is lost while players fanny around taking throw-ins. The plan here is you have 5 seconds to play the ball back in after the referee awards the kick-in. I think it would give the game a 5-aside feel. From the kick ins or the time limit? I couldn’t give a stuff whether they kick it or throw it I just want the ball back in play really quickly.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 14, 2022 8:38:06 GMT
I think Harry’s memory is going abit here🤔🤣 Fuller 48 minutes Defoe winner 50 minutes Delap substitution 73 minutes 😊
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Post by skip on Jun 14, 2022 8:44:02 GMT
Replace one method of getting the ball back into play with another method, equally as likely to result in protestations.
It's ridiculous that this pompous retired manager is held in such high regard. I think some people think he is some kind of football philosopher because he speaks English with a French accent and therefore has something of the 1960s South Bank Parisian intellect about him. Well, I've got a philosophical proposition for FIFA - get rid of him.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 14, 2022 10:55:13 GMT
Replace one method of getting the ball back into play with another method, equally as likely to result in protestations. It's ridiculous that this pompous retired manager is held in such high regard. I think some people think he is some kind of football philosopher because he speaks English with a French accent and therefore has something of the 1960s South Bank Parisian intellect about him. Well, I've got a philosophical proposition for FIFA - get rid of him. His anger at Stoke demonstrates he was a spent force as a top manager. We went up in 2008. A few years before he was locking horns with the likes of Ferguson and Mourinho. He ended up being antagonised by Stoke. It showed how far he'd fallen. All he had to cling to was disgruntlement at a tactic employed by a mid table team. AND ANOTHER THING, the talk of him being an innovator in terms of diet and nutrition is bollox. Ferguson broke up the drinking club at the shit when he arrived there. Those things were developing in the English game anyway. But because he looks like a professor it was all taken as his idea
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Post by AlliG on Jun 14, 2022 11:11:13 GMT
Doesn't seem very well thought out (surprise surprise) Instead of a few teams hurling long throws into the penalty area, every team would be able to do the same from even further out. What will waste most time. 4 or 5 long throws a game where teams wait until the big lumps have lumbered forward or 10 or 12 "kick-ins" where the teams wait until the big lumps have lumbered forward? Seems you’ve not looked at the proposal. Has to be taken within 5 seconds. Personally be it a throw in or a kick in I’d be all for a very short time limit to take it. Possibly as suggested by another poster with an encroachment rule to give the taking side an advantage. Really boils my piss how long they take. We’re terrible at it we take an age and aren’t even trying to set anything up. Also need to tighten up on keepers with ball in hands and taking goal kicks get the game moving at a pace. I am also aware of the other recent changes that FIFA have introduced to "speed up" the game. How about: 1. The keeper being able to take a goal kick from anywhere in the 6 yard box. 2. The ball not having to leave the penalty area before it is kicked again These changes might have changed the way the game is played but hands up anyone who thinks they have speeded the game up. Any one? Surely there must be someone? Didn't think so. Teams will always find ways to manipulate the rules to their advantage. I agree with your underlying issue with time wasting, I just think that FIFA would be better enforcing the current Laws to speed the game up.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 14, 2022 11:49:22 GMT
What’s his argument for changing it? I can’t think of one The story is a decent chunk of football's non-playing playing time is lost while players fanny around taking throw-ins. The plan here is you have 5 seconds to play the ball back in after the referee awards the kick-in. I think it would give the game a 5-aside feel. Can the bigger story of “he almost touched me so I threw myself 15 feet across the ground and now have a supposed boo boo” also be brought to light? Of all the things that need changing in football, a throw-in isn’t one of them.
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Post by jebbstuart on Jun 14, 2022 12:19:03 GMT
Kicks ins were tried in 1994/95 season in England's Isthmian League and i think it was in Malta too. All what happened was an explosion of headed goals (which i thought they were trying to ban as well) everytime ball went out you set up like a corner. I think St Alban's or Bishop Stortford won the league, both had large 6foot 6 strikers who were athlete and either scored or got fouled for a penalty. Only lasted one season was not well received by a lot of people, not great to watch ended up with ever defender just hoofing down the pitch and did not want to defend another corner, strikers were generally tall and if they could not win the ball appealed for a penalty. The other argument should be to reduce heading the ball to lower the future dementia risks.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 14, 2022 12:35:06 GMT
What’s his argument for changing it? I can’t think of one The story is a decent chunk of football's non-playing playing time is lost while players fanny around taking throw-ins. The plan here is you have 5 seconds to play the ball back in after the referee awards the kick-in. I think it would give the game a 5-aside feel. How about 5 seconds to take a throw in?
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Post by Gods on Jun 14, 2022 12:48:14 GMT
The story is a decent chunk of football's non-playing playing time is lost while players fanny around taking throw-ins. The plan here is you have 5 seconds to play the ball back in after the referee awards the kick-in. I think it would give the game a 5-aside feel. How about 5 seconds to take a throw in? You ask a good question!
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 14, 2022 12:50:43 GMT
I don't like any idea that man comes up with.
But I like this 5 second throw-in rule, especially if they enforced it uniformly.
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Post by leicspotter on Jun 14, 2022 17:27:22 GMT
The 5 second rule sounds like a good idea but, as with 'keepers holding on to the ball, it will NEVER be enforced...except against Stoke
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 15, 2022 5:03:04 GMT
One rule change there should be is the referee shouldn't be responsible for time keeping. And at the end it shouldn't be done by the whistle it should be a siren type noise through the tannoy.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 15, 2022 9:41:36 GMT
On time wasting, bring back the goal kick taken on the side the ball went out, not this time wasting slowly walking to the other side of the goal to take the kick.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 15, 2022 10:55:21 GMT
On time wasting, bring back the goal kick taken on the side the ball went out, not this time wasting slowly walking to the other side of the goal to take the kick. Enforce the 6 second rule for goalkeepers as well. These are two things that could be done quickly, that would save a lot of time. We could also add a rule that states that the ball must be back in play within xxxxx seconds of going out or possession goes to the other team (be that goal kick (now corner) or just general throw ins). There are enough ball boys around to do that and if they wanted to find an appropriate time, they could look at the spread of time taken for teams who are losing the game with five minutes left to get the ball moving again.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 15, 2022 12:17:03 GMT
Kicks ins were tried in 1994/95 season in England's Isthmian League and i think it was in Malta too. All what happened was an explosion of headed goals (which i thought they were trying to ban as well) everytime ball went out you set up like a corner. I think St Alban's or Bishop Stortford won the league, both had large 6foot 6 strikers who were athlete and either scored or got fouled for a penalty. Only lasted one season was not well received by a lot of people, not great to watch ended up with ever defender just hoofing down the pitch and did not want to defend another corner, strikers were generally tall and if they could not win the ball appealed for a penalty. The other argument should be to reduce heading the ball to lower the future dementia risks. A very short time limit as suggested 5secs to get the ball back in play would prevent this. Don’t really know why a kick is better or worse than a throw. Any means to get the ball back into play extremely quickly is fine.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 15, 2022 12:19:29 GMT
The 5 second rule sounds like a good idea but, as with 'keepers holding on to the ball, it will NEVER be enforced...except against Stoke I wouldn’t buy into the victim mentality aspect but it really gets on my tits how keepers get away with wasting so much time.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 16, 2022 2:49:04 GMT
One rule change there should be is the referee shouldn't be responsible for time keeping. And at the end it shouldn't be done by the whistle it should be a siren type noise through the tannoy. It’s called a public address system, Tannoy is a brand😉 Just thought I’d get a bit of Partridge in there.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 16, 2022 2:51:04 GMT
On time wasting, bring back the goal kick taken on the side the ball went out, not this time wasting slowly walking to the other side of the goal to take the kick. Enforce the 6 second rule for goalkeepers as well. These are two things that could be done quickly, that would save a lot of time. We could also add a rule that states that the ball must be back in play within xxxxx seconds of going out or possession goes to the other team (be that goal kick (now corner) or just general throw ins). There are enough ball boys around to do that and if they wanted to find an appropriate time, they could look at the spread of time taken for teams who are losing the game with five minutes left to get the ball moving again. Yep, whack a countdown clock visible to everyone in the ground
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 16, 2022 3:07:44 GMT
One rule change there should be is the referee shouldn't be responsible for time keeping. And at the end it shouldn't be done by the whistle it should be a siren type noise through the tannoy. It’s called a public address system, Tannoy is a brand😉 Just thought I’d get a bit of Partridge in there. Hoover or vacuum cleaner?😀
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 16, 2022 3:24:01 GMT
It’s called a public address system, Tannoy is a brand😉 Just thought I’d get a bit of Partridge in there. Hoover or vacuum cleaner?😀 We all know the answer to that one Joe😉 Although I always say Hoover
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Post by crowey on Jun 16, 2022 11:17:35 GMT
One rule change there should be is the referee shouldn't be responsible for time keeping. And at the end it shouldn't be done by the whistle it should be a siren type noise through the tannoy. ….. where have I heard that before?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 16, 2022 11:23:12 GMT
One rule change there should be is the referee shouldn't be responsible for time keeping. And at the end it shouldn't be done by the whistle it should be a siren type noise through the tannoy. ….. where have I heard that before? It's not an original idea mate that's true
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Post by crowey on Jun 16, 2022 11:27:20 GMT
….. where have I heard that before? It's not an original idea mate that's true ….. no, I meant the siren
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